***Israel initiates genocidal ground war into Gaza: 1,300 killed > 6,000 wounded

[Freeski]

yes they have moved past the nuke to teslas projects, the nuke ideas are waved around by the old powers to keep the people in line when they have new superior weapons. using the nuke scare is a tactic they wont abandon soon tho.

But why? Why haven't they taken out the 80% already? It seems so easy with the technology they've got.

[Revolt426]

I just said Israel would not start a nuclear war I laid out the scenerio that would start a nuclear war. China is allied with Pakistan and Russia wants to destroy Pakistan. India has false flagged and blamed Pakistan, so China has voiced it's negative opinion. Russia and China are neighbors, all you need is an ignition spark and you have a war, but Israel won't start it.

[Revolt426]

But why? Why haven't they taken out the 80% already? It seems so easy with the technology they've got.

Bill Cooper always said whenever they release new technology they already invented something 10 times more dangerous. The Stealth bomber first flew in the early 1970's and wasn't released till the early 1980's.

[OldSchool]

Israel will not start a global nuclear war, there are not enough dominos. If you are talking Global Nuclear war, go look at the FBI press release saying the Mumbai attacker had no connections to Pakistan so , now China is very  much justified in retaliating against India if they strike Pakistan, which they have warned India of twice so far. Then there is Russia, whom wants to destroy Pakistan and has ties with China - there's a f**king boondongle.

Israel could provoke all the triggers that could escalate strategic retaliation, for instance, Israel sending a few jets into Iran to hit a reactor... that would provoke an Iranian response, which would provoke Russian buildup. The Iranians would hit Israel while Israel is invading Gaza, provoking retaliation from US/NATO forces, therefore involving the UN. And in defending Iran, Russia would in turn violate Georgian and Indian airspace to get past Pakistan to protect Iran.... the scenarios are endless. In the movie War Games, you could see hundreds of different escalating retaliatory theatres, so I'm guessing the globalists have their Risk boards out now playing 'what if' scenarios.

[Amd304912]

But why? Why haven't they taken out the 80% already? It seems so easy with the technology they've got.

they need opposition, they are their brothers keeper... for now...

[Revolt426]

Israel could provoke all the triggers that could escalate strategic retaliation, for instance, Israel sending a few jets into Iran to hit a reactor... that would provoke an Iranian response, which would provoke Russian buildup. The Iranians would hit Israel while Israel is invading Gaza, provoking retaliation from US/NATO forces, therefore involving the UN. And in defending Iran, Russia would in turn violate Georgian and Indian airspace to get past Pakistan to protect Iran.... the scenarios are endless. In the movie War Games, you could see hundreds of different escalating retaliatory theatres, so I'm guessing the globalists have their Risk boards out now playing 'what if' scenarios.

Iran is a puppet country and Zbrezinskis goal is to de-emphasize it. His book focuses on Eurasia, thats China and Russia. Anything that occurs would be to destroy those two countries.

[Amd304912]

Iran is a puppet country and Zbrezinskis goal is to de-emphasize it. His book focuses on Eurasia, thats China and Russia. Anything that occurs would be to destroy those two countries.

eurasia? what is the link? not turkey not lebanon not saudi arabia.

what is it, do not feign now.

[Freeski]

Iran is a puppet country and Zbrezinskis goal is to de-emphasize it. His book focuses on Eurasia, thats China and Russia. Anything that occurs would be to destroy those two countries.

Aren't all countries puppets?

[Amd304912]

Aren't all countries puppets?

lo.l yes in that aspect.

[Revolt426]

Aren't all countries puppets?

China and Russia do not have attendee's at Bilderberg / Trilateral Commision for the most part. They may have puppets but they arent bilderberg puppets. The Anglo Dutch facet created Bilderberg and asians are no allow 

[Amd304912]

China and Russia do not have attendee's at Bilderberg / Trilateral Commision for the most part. They may have puppets but they arent bilderberg puppets. The Anglo Dutch facet created Bilderberg and asians are no allow 

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/asean_is_on_track_for_eustyle_b.htm

 

[Freeski]

China and Russia do not have attendee's at Bilderberg / Trilateral Commision for the most part. They may have puppets but they arent bilderberg puppets. The Anglo Dutch facet created Bilderberg and asians are no allow 

Maybe that's it, I believe our socialist mindset (in North America) is pretty similar to Communism, so that's the line in the sand?

[OldSchool]

Iran is a puppet country and Zbrezinskis goal is to de-emphasize it. His book focuses on Eurasia, thats China and Russia. Anything that occurs would be to destroy those two countries.

Yep. That's one of Zbis' goals. Iran is a stronghold in the middle east, and if they can neutralize them, then the gameplan for them is easier. China on the other han, well, they have their hands full with that one. You know.............Fulford and his 6 million man army  

[vladimir]

China is allied with Pakistan and Russia wants to destroy Pakistan.

I'm not here to defend Putin's imperialist government, although they acted correctly in Georgia and are in Brzezinski's and NATO's sights. But I'd like to see your evidence that Russia wants to destroy Pakistan. This is the first I've heard of that notion.

[Amd304912]

I'm not here to defend Putin's imperialist government, although they acted correctly in Georgia and are in Brzezinski's and NATO's sights. But I'd like to see your evidence that Russia wants to destroy Pakistan. This is the first I've heard of that notion.

its pax americana, they dont want to destoy pakistan they only want to ensure sco v nato cold war.

rev426 is four days short of a celebration 

[OldSchool]

Here's a little tidbit of info I just picked off the PP news pages from the 'key ally withdraws' article:

Khalid Hussain of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI) told Gulf News “We have obligations towards Palestine and all Iraqi people are in solidarity with the people in Palestine, and we will support the people in Gaza.” […]

“Iraqi resistance groups have to retaliate against the Israeli aggression on Gaza by escalating their operations against the US military in Iraq since the US position is in favour of this aggression, firstly, and secondly because the United States and Israel are both enemies of the Arabs,” Omar Al Kubaisi, an activist of the Sunni Muslim Clerics Association.

[Amd304912]

Here's a little tidbit of info I just picked off the PP news pages from the 'key ally withdraws' article:

Khalid Hussain of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI) told Gulf News “We have obligations towards Palestine and all Iraqi people are in solidarity with the people in Palestine, and we will support the people in Gaza.” […]

“Iraqi resistance groups have to retaliate against the Israeli aggression on Gaza by escalating their operations against the US military in Iraq since the US position is in favour of this aggression, firstly, and secondly because the United States and Israel are both enemies of the Arabs,” Omar Al Kubaisi, an activist of the Sunni Muslim Clerics Association.

As an american i commend the arabs

[OldSchool]

Looks like things will be sparking back up in Baghdad, and spill over into Syria, Israel, and probably Iran and Lebanon 

[vladimir]

Let's focus on the Truth Please ,
Pro Zionists NWO Jews are (NOT) the voice of the Jewish people or the Judaism faith & you better Freaking  Believe it!
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
[and more]

Great links! I watched the interview with Rabbi Domb:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/mediaclips/DombInterview.cfm?v=1QfgvDXsDds
 
It's not my mitzvah (obligation) to proclaim his wisdom for Jews. But I spent considerable time reading the words of the great Rabbis of old when I was studying for my degree in religion. If I can judge by what I took from this, Rabbi Domb is a source of real Jewish hokhmah (wisdom) and amunah (belief), and he shows obvious delight in what he knows. Where I live, many religious Jews are breaking with the established congregations, who have succumbed to Zionism, and seeking to return to the kind of Judaism that Rabbi Domb represents.
 
Anti-semites who sometimes post on the Forum and comment on PP articles should hear Rabbi Domb to learn what are the real mainstream, traditional Jewish beliefs. Would that more rabbis (and Christian ministers) were like him.
 

[Amd304912]

Great links! I watched the interview with Rabbi Domb:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/mediaclips/DombInterview.cfm?v=1QfgvDXsDds
 
It's not my mitzvah (obligation) to proclaim his wisdom for Jews. But I spent considerable time reading the words of the great Rabbis of old when I was studying for my degree in religion. If I can judge by what I took from this, Rabbi Domb is a source of real Jewish hokhmah (wisdom) and amunah (belief), and he shows obvious delight in what he knows. Where I live, many religious Jews are breaking with the established congregations, who have succumbed to Zionism, and seeking to return to the kind of Judaism that Rabbi Domb represents.
 
Anti-semites who sometimes post on the Forum and comment on PP articles should hear Rabbi Domb to learn what are the real mainstream, traditional Jewish beliefs. Would that more rabbis (and Christian ministers) were like him.
 

i wish most christians crucify a catholic and promote zionism.

hopefully you may be right someday

[Revolt426]

I'm not here to defend Putin's imperialist government, although they acted correctly in Georgia and are in Brzezinski's and NATO's sights. But I'd like to see your evidence that Russia wants to destroy Pakistan. This is the first I've heard of that notion.

Accusation? Russia has been at odds with Pakistan since the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan because they ran weapons to the fighters, that ain't an accusation that's a fact. Russia Today even ran a story saying that Russia would like to team up with India and send investigators to "deal with their common foe".

[Revolt426]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051682.html

IDF recommends major, but brief Gaza ground offensive


The Israel Defense Forces recommended a major, but relatively short-term, ground offensive in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, as military preparations continued on the border. The army was given the green light to forge ahead with Operation Cast Lead, which enters its sixth day Thursday.

Detailed briefings have been underway for the past two days at Southern Command, with officers receiving their orders. The General Staff believes that more pressure must be put on Hamas to make it agree to a long-term cease-fire under conditions more favorable to Israel.

The IDF said rocket fire on the south was expected to continue during a ground operation. The army recommends that a diplomatic exit plan be prepared while a cease-fire agreement is formulated.

While defense officials tend to favor a clear agreement with Hamas, even if it is not enshrined in a written document, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is considering another idea.

She reportedly believes that it might be better to aim for a situation in which there is no clearly set-out agreement, but Israel would make clear beforehand that it would respond forcefully to any firing from Gaza after hostilities ended.

On Wednesday, some 70 rockets were fired from Gaza at the Negev, among them some 10 Katyushas with a range of about 40 kilometers. These landed in Be'er Sheva and around Ashdod.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said Wednesday that Israeli attacks on Gaza had to stop before any truce proposals could be considered. He added in a speech that "the siege must be lifted and all the crossings must be opened because the siege is the source of all of Gaza's problems."

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told cabinet ministers that Israel would not conclude its operation until all its goals had been reached. Earlier, Israel rejected a French proposal for a 48-hour cease-fire.

Meanwhile, Israel decided to open the Kerem Shalom crossing to the Gaza Strip to allow in 106 trucks carrying humanitarian aid.

[Revolt426]

For all that think the CIA is supporting Israel in this, here is some evidence to the contrary.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051593.html

The Israel Defense Forces has opened a YouTube channel broadcasting footage taken over the last five days in its air offensive on the Gaza Strip.

The channel was launched as part of the army's PR campaign to draw international support for its military operation on Hamas' infrastructure in Gaza.
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YouTube briefly yanked the clips on Tuesday, saying it was inappropriate, only to restore it a few hours later, labeling it inappropriate for minors, the military said.

"We were saddened on December 30, 2008 when YouTube took down some of our exclusive footage," the military wrote on its YouTube channel page. Fortunately, due to blogger and viewer support, YouTube has returned the footage they removed.

YouTube did not immediately reply to an email requesting comment. In the past, YouTube, which is owned by Google Inc., has been pressed to take down videos depicting violence. The site has no automatic review process.

One of the aerial surveillance videos shows a group ofmilitants loading rockets onto a truck before being targeted by an Israeli missile.

"The blogosphere and the new media are basically a war zone in a battle for world opinion," said IDF spokeswoman Major Avital Leibovich said. She added that the YouTube channel is an important part of Israel's attempt to explain its actions abroad.

"In modern-day warfare, some battles are conducted through the media," said Gideon Doron, former chairman of the government agency that oversaw the privatization of television and radio services in Israel.

"Many of the victories of modern warfare are mediated by the media," Doron said. "We have Internet and all kinds of modern communication, and the Israeli military apparently decided that it has to broadcast its message through these tools."

The military says its clips have attracted more than 230,000 hits since going online Monday.

Gaza officials say some 390 Palestinians have been killed in the offensive, sparked by rocket fire at Israeli towns. Israel estimates that some 220 of those were members of Hamas 
 

[Revolt426]

But the rothschild media is giving it a thumbs up:

http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnLV83566.html

Egypt's ruling party attacks Hamas and allies
Wed 31 Dec 2008, 15:53 GMT
 
[-] Text

• CAIRO, Dec 31 (Reuters) - Egypt's ruling party accused the Islamist Palestinian movement Hamas on Wednesday of adventurism, irresponsibility and ignoring Egyptian advice on Gaza.
  
  The National Democratic Party (NDP) said in a statement that Egypt was the victim of an organised campaign by Hamas and its regional allies -- Iran, Syria and the Lebanese group Hezbollah.
  
  Iran and Hezbollah have criticised Egypt for failing to open its border with Gaza, in effect cooperating with the Israeli blockade of the impoverished coastal strip.
  
  "(The party) notes that the leadership of Hamas is responsible for the turn that events have taken (in Gaza)," said the NDP secretariat. The statement also condemned Israeli raids which have killed almost 400 people in Gaza.
  
  "The Hamas movement has thwarted all attempts to achieve Palestinian national unity and has not accepted repeated Egyptian advice on the importance of maintaining the truce (with Israel)," the NDP statement added.
  
  "Instead, it has dealt with the situation in a spirit of adventurism and irresponsibility, without taking into account the consequences of its positions," it said.
  
  "The Hamas leadership has been dragged behind delusional promises by parties and quarters who have contributed to the Palestinian cause only words and slogans," it added.
  
  The statement went beyond criticism of Hamas by the government, which has said that it gave repeated warnings before Israel attacked last Saturday and that those who ignore warnings have only themselves to blame for the consequences.
  
  The NDP, led by President Hosni Mubarak, usually takes its lead from the government but it sometimes has more freedom to express official views than government ministers.
  
  The Egyptian government is on the defensive because the Israeli attacks on Gaza have put the spotlight on its policy of cooperating with the Israeli blockade.
  
  Egypt says it has no choice and if it opened the border fully Israel would wash its hands of responsibility for Gaza.
  
  "Egypt will not get involved in adventures or take decisions with ill-considered consequences," the NDP said. "It will not follow the appeals and delusions of the reckless."
  
  Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit has attacked Iran and the Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim group Hezbollah this week for their criticism of Egyptian policy on Gaza. (Writing by Jonathan Wright; Editing by Sami Aboudi)
  

[Rak HaEmet]

Ahhh... finally the push is revealed- all those fervent supporters of an international option to destroy one nation's sovereignty, now line up another in a row of dominos... Problem, big reaction because it happens to be Israel involved, big solution to continue to propagate the Amerikan Empire...

so sad to see so many caught up in the domination of other peoples....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bolton-gaza-conflict-could-lead-to-us-attack-on-iran.html

Bolton: Gaza Conflict Could Lead To U.S. Attack On Iran

Top Neo-Con exploits crisis to push for new war

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Top Neo-Con John Bolton told Fox News yesterday that the conflict in Gaza could lead to a U.S. attack on Iran as the former U.S. ambassador to the UN exploited the crisis to propagandize for a new war.

“So while our focus obviously is on Gaza right now, this could turn out to be a much larger conflict,” said Bolton, adding that “we’re looking at potentially a multi-front war here.”

[Triadtropz]

boltons a war monger...from reading your posts rak you fall into that category,...If the US was to attack Iran, it would open up WW3, If they are that stupid?..we will see..

[Truth researcher]

f**k Israel killing children and women.

[Triadtropz]

f**k Israel killing children and women.

the israelis say even palestinian children are terrorists...it makes the killing justified in their sick minds..

[sociostudent]

f**k Israel killing children and women.

Then f**k us (for our genocidal acts in DOZENS of third-world countries), the Brits ('cause they were in on it too), ; and hell, f**k the Egyptians for blocking the Palestinian's escape from the slaughter...the list could go on forever.

What people don't understand is that the moral relativity has gotten so completely out of control that the developed nations have developed an immoral perspective of "it's ok for one country to do this to another group of people and the other group of people is not allowed to either defend themselves NOR are they allowed any humanitarian or medical assistance" because of a religious belief or group of beliefs, and then call anyone who disagrees with this "antisemitic". It's mentally ill to think that this is ok.

 

[Triadtropz]

The world is corrupted with a blood lust, I think bush released it.. with his lies leading to genocide for fun,...I think we need a huge bloodletting to curb this appetite..If the war comes right to your door, maybe the lust will die...

[Truth researcher]

the israelis say even palestinian children are terrorists...it makes the killing justified in their sick minds..

Blood lovers!

[Truth researcher]

Then f**k us (for our genocidal acts in DOZENS of third-world countries), the Brits ('cause they were in on it too), ; and hell, f**k the Egyptians for blocking the Palestinian's escape from the slaughter...the list could go on forever.

What people don't understand is that the moral relativity has gotten so completely out of control that the developed nations have developed an immoral perspective of "it's ok for one country to do this to another group of people and the other group of people is not allowed to either defend themselves NOR are they allowed any humanitarian or medical assistance" because of a religious belief or group of beliefs, and then call anyone who disagrees with this "antisemitic". It's mentally ill to think that this is ok.

 

Exactly,plus f**k people who's still living a normal days like nothing's going on,f**k people who's saying we can't do a thing when they just can't say ''NO!''
f**k THE WORLD GOVERNMENTS,KILL THEM ALL!
People need to take control now!

[Triadtropz]

Exactly,plus f**k people who's still living a normal days like nothing's going on,f**k people who's saying we can't do a thing when they just can't say ''NO!''
f**k THE WORLD GOVERNMENTS,KILL THEM ALL!
People need to take control now!

calm down newbie, we arent that kind of crowd...all we are saying is give peace a chance..

[Truth researcher]

The world is corrupted with a blood lust, I think bush released it.. with his lies leading to genocide for fun,...I think we need a huge bloodletting to curb this appetite..If the war comes right to your door, maybe the lust will die...

I wish people make a move,stop being selfish and do something.Why can't we do a revolution or something,JUST WHY?

[Truth researcher]

calm down newbie, we arent that kind of crowd...all we are saying is give peace a chance..

They killed peace and all hopes *Jesus Christ,I'm angry now*.

[Triadtropz]

I wish people make a move,stop being selfish and do something.Why can't we do a revolution or something,JUST WHY?

because the jackboots would kick your face in fast...as long as there is relative peace, we can talk and act... if this turns into a violent revolution, you will see big brother come down hard and fast...we need to get back on topic...

[Truth researcher]

because the jackboots would kick your face in fast...as long as there is relative peace, we can talk and act... if this turns into a violent revolution, you will see big brother come down hard and fast....

I would act fast just like Bush.You got a point :/
That's it stupid people are our problem they have to wake up and face the reality!

[sociostudent]

Exactly,plus f**k people who's still living a normal days like nothing's going on,f**k people who's saying we can't do a thing when they just can't say ''NO!''
f**k THE WORLD GOVERNMENTS,KILL THEM ALL!
People need to take control now!

I think you need to take a break, go watch "1984" and find out what life in America would be like were there a violent revolution right now (It would turn violently fascist pretty quick). At least with the incrementalism of the "Brave New World" theme (socialism with just a hint of fascism), we have more time to wake others up with the least amount of people being hurt or harassed by NWO slime.

[Truth researcher]

I think you need to take a break, go watch "1984" and find out what life in America would be like were there a violent revolution right now (It would turn violently fascist pretty quick). At least with the incrementalism of the "Brave New World" theme (socialism with just a hint of fascism), we have more time to wake others up with the least amount of people being hurt or harassed by NWO slime.

I've tried to wake 'em up but they were like ''okay,so what?''
Bloody hell,I have nothing to say...

[bigron]

What is Israel's goal in Gaza? 

31/12/2008 11:30:00 PM GMT
http://aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=198942
 
 Israel's attempt to destroy Hamas using military force has always ended up strengthening the organization.



By Neve Gordon

The first bombardment took three minutes and 40 seconds. Sixty Israeli F-16 fighter jets bombed 50 sites in Gaza, killing more than 200 Palestinians, and wounding close to 1,000 more.

(Watch video: Israel launches deadly air strikes on Gaza):
http://www.aljazeera.com/mm/video/video.php?op=showvideo&vidid=875

(Watch video: UN calls for Israel to open Gaza border to aid):
http://www.aljazeera.com/mm/video/video.php?op=showvideo&vidid=879

(Watch video: Staying alive in Gaza):
http://www.aljazeera.com/mm/video/video.php?op=showvideo&vidid=885


A few hours after the deadly strike, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert convened a press conference in Tel-Aviv. With Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni sitting on his right and Defence Minister Ehud Barak on his left, he declared: "It may take time, and each and every one of us must be patient so we can complete the mission."

But what exactly, one might ask, is Israel's mission?

Although Olmert did not say as much, the "mission" includes four distinct objectives.

The first is the destruction of Hamas, a totally unrealistic goal. Even though the loss of hundreds of cadres and some key leaders will no doubt hurt the organization, Hamas is a robust political movement with widespread grassroots support, and it is unlikely to surrender or capitulate to Israeli demands following a military assault. Ironically, Israel's attempt to destroy Hamas using military force has always ended up strengthening the organization, thus corroborating the notion that power produces its own vulnerability.

The second objective has to do with Israel's coming elections. The assault on Gaza is also being carried out to help Kadima and Labour defeat Likud and its leader Binyamin Netanyhu, who is currently ahead in the polls. It is not coincidental that Netanyahu's two main competitors, Livni and Barak, were invited to the press conference – since, after the assault, it will be more difficult for Netanyahu to characterize them as "soft" on the Palestinians.

Whether or not the devastation in Gaza will help Livni defeat Netanyhu or help Barak gain votes in the February elections is difficult to say, but the strategy of competing with a warmonger like Netanyhu by beating the drums of war says a great deal about all three major contenders.

The third objective involves the Israeli military. After its notable humiliation in Lebanon during the summer of 2006, the Israeli armed forces have been looking for opportunities to re-establish their global standing.

Last spring they used Syria as their laboratory and now they have decided to focus on Gaza. Emphasizing the mere three minutes and 40 seconds it took to bomb 50 sites is just one of the ways the Israeli military aims to restore its international reputation.

Finally, Hamas and Fatah have not yet reached an agreement regarding how to proceed when Mahmoud Abbas ends his official term as president of the Palestinian National Authority on 9 January 2009. One of the outcomes of this assault is that Abbas will remain in power for a while longer since Hamas will be unable to mobilize its supporters in order to force him to resign.

What is clearly missing from this list of Israeli objectives is the attempt to halt the firing of Qassam rockets into Israel's southern towns. Unlike the objectives I mentioned, which are not discussed by government officials, this one is presented by the government as the operation's primary objective.

Yet, the government is actively misleading the public, since Israel could have put an end to the rockets a long time ago. Indeed, there was a relative quiet during the six-months truce with Hamas, a quiet that was broken most often as a reaction to Israeli violence: that is, following the extra-judicial execution of a fighter or the imposition of a total blockade which prevented basic goods, like food stuff and medicine, from entering the Gaza Strip.

Rather than continuing the truce, the Israeli government has once again chosen to adopt strategies of violence that are tragically akin to the one's deployed by Hamas, only the Israeli ones are much more lethal.

If the Israeli government really cared about its citizens and the country's long term ability to sustain itself in the Middle East, it would abandon the use of violence and talk with its enemies.

-- Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel. For information about his book, Israel’s Occupation, and more visit israelsoccupation.info.





-- Middle East Online