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« Reply #280 on: December 28, 2008, 09:36:41 AM »

Published: 12/28/08, 5:02 PM
Hizbullah Vows to Open Second Front in Gaza Conflict
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129068
by Hana Levi Julian

(IsraelNN.com) Hizbullah terrorists have vowed to open a second front against Israel in the north in retaliation for the IDF military operation against Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

Terrorist chief Hassan Nasrallah issued a statement on Hizbullah's Al-Manar television station Sunday, vowing that "northern Israel will burn as Gaza is burning." Nasrallah rarely appears in person; he speaks via a video hook-up from his hideout due to fears of assassination by Israeli agents, following the 2006 Second Lebanon War.

Hizbullah officials were quoted in a number of Arabic-language publications on Saturday warning that they would not permit Israel to attack Gaza without retaliating.

Last week seven Katyusha rockets were discovered primed and ready for launching in southern Lebanon, located near the northern border of Israel. All seven were aimed at targets in the Jewish State.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert -- anticipating such a reaction -- warned Hizbullah Saturday night in his speech informing the nation about the military operation in Gaza that any "others who may seek to take advantage of the situation would be wise not to."

The last time Israel faced a two-front war was in June 2006, when a military conflict began with a cross-border raid by Hamas terrorists near the Kerem Shalom Crossing with Gaza that resulting in the kidnapping of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit. Two other soldiers were killed and a fourth soldier was critically wounded in the attack. Shalit remains captive in Gaza to this day.

Less than a month later, in July 2006, Hizbullah terrorists carried out a cross-border raid in northern Israel, kidnapping and ultimately murdering IDF reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev.

The attack, which was conducted simultaneously with the launch of a barrage of Katyusha rockets at Jewish communities in northern Israel, opened a second front in the military conflict that had began with Gaza, and ignited the 2006 Second Lebanon War.
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« Reply #281 on: December 28, 2008, 09:43:42 AM »

28/12/2008 13:13 TYRE, Lebanon, Dec 28 (AFP)
Israeli warplanes fly low over south Lebanon
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=081228131308.yxzlyyvz.php
 
Israeli warplanes on Sunday flew low over south Lebanon, already the target of an overnight reconnaissance flight, a Lebanese security official said.

"At least five aircraft overflew the Bint Jbeil region (south of Beirut) and headed for the port town of Tyre" farther north, the official told AFP.

The security official said an Israeli MK-type reconnaissance aircraft flew over the south all night until dawn broke.

Meanwhile, the Lebanese army and the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) have stepped up security at the border with Israel and in the whole of south Lebanon in the wake of Israel's attack on Gaza, a military spokesman told AFP.

"The army and UNIFIL have strengthened security measures in the south of the country to stop anyone from exploiting the situation beyond protesting against the Zionist aggression on the Gaza strip," the spokesman said.

Tension remains high in the area two years after the 34-day summer war in 2006 between Israel and Lebanon's Shiite Hezbollah movement which devastated the south of the country.

Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, who was expected to speak later on Sunday about the deadly Israeli air attacks on Gaza, has threatened to "destroy" Israel if a new conflict erupts.

Israel says Hezbollah has "tripled its firepower" since the 2006 conflict and has pledged to attack Lebanese civilian locations in the event of renewed hostilities.

Israeli flights over Lebanon are in breach of UN Security Council resolution 1710, which in August 2006 ended the Israel-Hezbollah war.

UN forces and the army had already increased patrols on the frontier after the discovery on Thursday of eight Katyusha rockets pointed at Israel and ready for firing.

The area where the rockets were found is a Hezbollah stronghold and lies less than five kilometres (three miles) from the border with Israel.

During the 2006 war, Hezbollah fired around 4,000 rockets towards Israel.

More than 1,200 Lebanese people, mostly civilians, died in the war, which killed 160 Israelis, mostly from the armed services.
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« Reply #282 on: December 28, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »

DOCTOR NO NWO............
"Israel should have never been created, because of this Illegitimate state of Israel the world suffers, just look at what  they're doing to America & the rest of the world & what makes me more sick is (The real Jews) will not stand up to these Satanic Zionist Jewish impostor Evil Bastards!"

Uh....but Israel WAS created. By a God much more intelligent than all of us. So...there had to have been a purpose and a plan......and an outcome. Your hate only confirms what the prophecies said would come about Israel.




The Israel of today was not created by god & the real purpose & NWO plan foe he creation of the Illegitimate state of Israel is in (noway) affiliated with god...you got that clear yet?

You must be a misguided soul or what bethanne, can you prove it bethanne?
I can, look at what (Real Jews) are saying in the links below, now how could they be wrong yeah...

Time to wake up bethanne, you might be living a Zionist NWO made lie...no pun intended
don't point the finger, please research the information & wake up Wink  

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http://www.counterpunch.org/christison02142008.html

http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/synagogue_of_satan.htm;D

Nice try but I don't hate  Jews/Christians/Muslims/ etc
But I do hate NWO Satanists,
be it whatever the name they hide under now days  Cheesy Grin Wink
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« Reply #283 on: December 28, 2008, 09:57:50 AM »




   The Hezbollah escalation in North Israel is about to happen.  So easy to predict! 
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« Reply #284 on: December 28, 2008, 09:58:53 AM »

Israeli troops near Gaza, airstrikes continue
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD95BPTD00
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and AMY TEIBEL – 1 hour ago

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli warplanes pressing one of Israel's deadliest assaults ever on Palestinian militants dropped bombs and missiles on a top security installation, smuggling tunnels and dozens of other targets across Hamas-ruled Gaza on Sunday.

Israel called up 6,500 reserve soldiers and moved infantry and armored units to the Gaza border for a possible ground invasion. Some 280 Palestinians died in the first 24 hours of the campaign against Gaza rocket squads.

Most of the dead were Hamas police, but the airstrikes also claimed the lives of civilians, including a 15-year-old boy killed inside a greenhouse.

Unbowed by 250 Israeli airstrikes, militants fired dozens of rockets and mortars at border communities Sunday. Two rockets struck close to the largest city in southern Israel, Ashdod, some 38 kilometers (23 miles) from Gaza, reaching deeper into Israel than ever before. The targeting of Ashdod confirmed Israel's concern that militants are capable of putting major cities within rocket range. No serious injuries were reported in any of the attacks Sunday. One Israeli died in a rocket attack Saturday.

Despite the call for reserves, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said there were no plans to occupy Gaza. Speaking Sunday on "Meet the Press," Livni said the Israeli assault came because Gaza's Hamas rulers were smuggling weapons and building up "a small army."

But, she said, "Our goal is not to reoccupy" the Gaza Strip, which Israel left in 2005 after a 38-year occupation.

The Palestinians' moderate President Mahmoud Abbas, a fierce rival of Hamas' who controls only the West Bank and has little influence in Gaza, urged the Islamic militant group to renew a truce with Israel that collapsed last week.

Thousands swept into the streets of cities around the Middle East to denounce Israel's air assault. From Lebanon to Iran, Israel's adversaries used the weekend assault to marshal crowds out onto the streets for noisy demonstrations.

Syria called off indirect peace talks while Turkey, an ally of Israel that was mediating the talks with Syria, denounced the air assault on Hamas targets as a "crime against humanity."

In New York, the U.N. Security Council urged Israel and the Palestinians to immediately halt all violence and military activities. The U.N.'s most powerful body called for a new cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, and for opening border crossings into Gaza to enable humanitarian supplies to reach the territory.

Israel allowed limited supplies of fuel and medicine into Gaza on Sunday, but Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told his Cabinet the operation in "is liable to last longer than we are able to foresee at this time."

Many of Israel's Western allies urged restraint on both sides, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

The offensive began eight days after a six-month truce between Israel and the militants expired. The Israeli army says Palestinian militants have fired more than 300 rockets and mortars at Israeli targets over the past week, and 10 times that number over the past year.

Streets were empty in Gaza City on Sunday as most residents stayed home, fearing more airstrikes. A few lined up to buy bread outside two bakeries. Schools were shut for a three-day mourning period the Gaza government declared Saturday for the campaign's dead.

Hamas police kept a low profile, wearing jackets over their dark blue uniforms and walking close to walls, hoping to evade the detection by Israeli pilots.

Aircraft struck one of Hamas' main security compounds in Gaza City on Sunday — a major symbol of the group's authority. Health officials said four people were killed and 25 wounded in the attack.

A column of black smoke towered from the building, and some inmates of the compound's prison fled after the missiles struck. Hamas police nabbed some of them.

One prisoner trapped under the rubble waved his hand in the hope of being rescued. Two other prisoners helped a bleeding friend walk through the debris.

Minutes after the strike, Hamas police defiantly planted the movement's green flag in the rubble.

"These strikes fuel our popular support, our military power and the firmness of our positions," said Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas legislator. "We will survive, we will move forward, we will not surrender, we will not be shaken."

Senior Hamas leaders went into hiding before the offensive began, shutting off their phones.

Hamas' Gaza prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, spoke on a televised address on Saturday evening, but it was not immediately clear where the address was taped.

Earlier, Palestinians said Israeli bombs destroyed a mosque outside Gaza's main hospital in Gaza City; the military called it a "base for terrorist activities."

In southern Gaza, aircraft targeted a tanker truck, touching off a blaze that raged out of control and spread to about a dozen nearby houses. One of the main medicine warehouses supplying local pharmacies in southern Gaza was hit in another sortie.

Residents said the tanker and the warehouse contained supplies that had been smuggled in from Gaza through underground tunnels with Egypt, suggesting Israel was widening its offensive to go after businesses that are a source of income for Hamas or thought they may have contained weapons.

The tunnels — which have allowed the Hamas leadership to stave off complete economic collapse — came under attack themselves on Sunday, security officials and medics said, with witnesses reporting fires and explosions in the area.

Warplanes also attacked the Hamas television headquarters, but it continued to broadcast from a mobile unit.

The initial waves of attacks Saturday focused on key Hamas security installations and rocket-launching pads.

Gaza health official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said at least 280 people were killed, including 183 members of Hamas' uniformed security forces. It was not clear how many of the others were gunmen or civilians.

The civilian casualties included a 15-year-old boy who died in southern Gaza on Sunday in an attack on a greenhouse near the border. At least 644 people were wounded, Hassanain said.

The Israeli Cabinet authorized the mobilization of 6,500 soldiers, a government official said. But the callup was not the kind of massive mobilization that was ordered in the summer of 2006 when Israel went to war against Lebanese guerrillas.

The rockets that struck close to Ashdod, extending the militants' reach closer to Israel's heartland, landed some 23 miles (38 kilometers) from Gaza. Gaza's Hamas rulers have been stockpiling weapons in recent months, including medium-range missiles. Until Sunday, the deepest targets inside Israel had been the city of Ashkelon and the town of Netivot, which are about 12 miles (20 kilometers) from Gaza.

Store clerk Elvira Taberbobsky, 36, stepped outside after one rocket struck only to have a second exploded right in front of her.

"I flew backwards. I couldn't hear anything for a few seconds. and then all of a sudden I saw holes in my pants and blood streaming down my pants," she said.

Schools in Israeli communities in rocket range were told to remain closed beyond the Hanukkah holiday which ends Monday.

Israel's military was on alert for possible disturbances in the West Bank.

Hundreds gathered in the West Bank town of Ramallah, seat of Abbas' government, where demonstrators were uncharacteristically allowed to march with Hamas' green flags. "With our blood and souls we defend you, Gaza," some of the protesters chanted.
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« Reply #285 on: December 28, 2008, 10:02:16 AM »

Gaza Palestinians cross Egyptian border
By JPOST STAFF AND AP

Hundreds of Palestinians desperate to flee from the situation in the Gaza Strip converged on the Rafah border crossing on Sunday, and, with the help of bulldozers, succeeded in breaching Egyptian defenses and crossing into Egypt.

An Egyptian security official said there were at least four breaches along the 9 mile (14 kilometer) border and hundreds of Palestinian residents were pouring in.

The breach came shortly after Israeli aircraft struck the smuggling tunnels running underneath the border, targeting one of the lifelines of the territory's Hamas rulers.

At least 300 Egyptian border guards have been rushed to the area to reseal the border, the official added on condition on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.

A witness on the Gaza side of the border, Fida Kishta, said residents detonated a land mine along the border and commandeered a bulldozer to create more breaches.

"There was a loud bang and then we saw the smoke, and then people began heading toward Egypt, we counted them in the hundreds. Everyone in the area started crossing through," she said.

The official on the Egyptian side said the wall between Gaza and Egypt at the Barahneh neighborhood was brought down during the airstrike and the subsequent large explosion from a nearby fuel tank.

"Hundreds of women, children and men went through the breach," the official said speaking on condition of anonymity. He added that there was firing in the air from both sides as people attempted to cross the border. Palestinians also threw stones at the Egyptian security.

The official added that Egyptian security had pulled back ahead of the airstrikes.

Palestinians reported that two people were killed and 18 wounded in the air strikes and another five were wounded in the ensuing exchange of gunfire with Egyptian security.

Dr. Abdel Qader Higazi, a representative of the Egyptian Doctor's Syndicate in Rafah said Egyptian authorities closed the border crossing after allowing several trucks of medical supplies into Gaza.

On Friday, Egypt had announced that they were boosting security forces along the border with Gaza in anticipation of a possible Israeli incursion into the Strip. At the time, the fear was that a significant number of Palestinian refugees would try to flee from the area.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456500516&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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« Reply #286 on: December 28, 2008, 10:04:21 AM »




  These poor people.  At least they can escape to Egypt.
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« Reply #287 on: December 28, 2008, 10:05:36 AM »

Syria halts indirect peace negotiations
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND AP

Syria has notified Turkey that it was ceasing all indirect negotiations with Israel following the IAF's offensive on Hamas installations in the Gaza Strip.

One Syrian government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said that "Israel's aggression closes all the doors" to any move toward a settlement in the region.

Turkey's prime minister on Sunday denounced Israel's air assault on Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip as a "crime against humanity" and called for it to end.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of using "disproportionate force" and said the attacks were a "blow to peace."

"To go and bomb these defenseless people, and to openly say that this operation will be a long-lasting one, that it will be this or that, to me, is a serious crime against humanity," Erdogan said at a meeting of his ruling Islamic-rooted party.

Turkey is Israel's closest ally in the Muslim world but Erdogan said he was appalled that the attacks came as his country was mediating peace talks between Syria and Israel. He said the attacks were a "show of disrespect" toward Turkey.

In Damascus, thousands of Syrian protested the IDF's assault on Gaza. The demonstrators were carrying pictures of President Bashar Assad and Syrian flags and shouting slogans condemning Israel and the United States. Several protesters were burning American flags.

Similar protests were held in Beirut, Lebanon, Amman in Jordan and Sana'a in Yemen.

Hizbullah sources told the London-based Al Hayat that the Lebanese Shi'ite terror group had no intention of reacting to Israeli attacks on Gaza. According to the sources, Hizbullah had no interest in "threatening to hurt the stability in south Lebanon."

Israeli warplanes were circling the Lebanese airspace throughout the night, the Al Jazeera TV network reported.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456497503&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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« Reply #288 on: December 28, 2008, 10:10:50 AM »

News flash from Haarezt

19:06     1,500 people protest outside Israeli embassy in London, 3 arrested (DPA)
19:03    Barak briefs Condoleezza Rice on Gaza operations (Haaretz)

18:28    Police arrest 12 people suspected of hurling stones near Kfar Kana (Haaretz)
18:27    Mortar shell strikes open area in western Negev; no injuries reported (Haaretz)
18:24    Israeli man sustains mild head wound from stone hurler in Hebron (Israel Radio)
17:39    Egyptian official: Gazans breach border, some cross into Egypt (AP)

http://haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ShowTickers.jhtml
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« Reply #289 on: December 28, 2008, 10:12:47 AM »

Iran orders all Muslims to defend Palestinians against Israeli Gaza raids
By Haaretz Service and News Agencies
Tags: israel, hamas, gaza

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world on Sunday, ordering them to defend Palestinians against Israel's attacks on Gaza, state television said.

"All Palestinian combatants and all the Islamic world's pious people are obliged to defend the defenceless women, children and people in Gaza in any way possible. Whoever is killed in this legitimate defense is considered a martyr," state television quoted Khamenei as saying in a statement.

Israel launched an unprecedented assault on the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing 230 people and sparking protests and condemnations throughout the Arab world. By early afternoon on Sunday, the death toll had climbed to at least 280.

Many of Israel's Western allies urged restraint, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

In his statement on Sunday, Khamenei also criticized some Arab governments for their "encouraging silence" towards the Israel's raids on Gaza.

Meanwhile, Hamas' political leaders in the Gaza Strip have gone into hiding in the wake of Israel's operation on the coastal territory, fearing that they will once again be targeted in the attacks.

In Damascus, Syria, Hamas' top leader, Khaled Meshal, called on Palestinians to rekindle their fight against Israel and renew suicide bombings against Israeli targets. "This is the time for a third Intifada," he said.

In a speech broadcast on local Gaza television, Hamas' prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, declared his movement would not be cowed. "We are stronger, and more determined, and have more will, and we will hold onto our rights even more than before," Haniyeh said.

Abu Ubeida, spokesman for the organization's military wing, the Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades vowed harsh retaliation: "The Israeli occupation needs to know that it has cast itself into the fire," he said.

Meanwhile, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Sunday the Islamist group Hamas could have avoided the Israeli attacks on Gaza.

"We talked to them and we told them 'please, we ask you, do not end the truce. Let the truce continue and not stop' so that we could have avoided what happened," he said in Cairo.

The leaders spoke as Israel Air Force strikes on the Gaza Strip killed nearly 230 Palestinians, at least 15 of them civilians and other three top officers in Hamas' security force.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said on Sunday that Hamas was not allowing Palestinians wounded in Israel's attacks on Gaza to cross into Egypt for treatment.

"We are waiting for the wounded Palestinians to cross. They are not being allowed to cross," he told reporters. Asked who was to blame, he said: "Ask the party in control on the ground in Gaza."

Gheit said that said that Cairo, which has mediated between Hamas and Israel and between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, summoned the Israeli ambassador to the Foreign Ministry on Sunday for the second day
in a row to complain about Israeli military operations.

"We object to this and we demand a stop and that the Israeli army does not carry out a new invasion," he said.

The Egyptian minister said a ceasefire would be the aim of a meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Cairo on Wednesday.

Several Arab leaders have also proposed an Arab summit to respond to the attacks on Gaza but Aboul Gheit suggested that a summit could be some way off.

"Priority is the Arab measures at the level of foreign ministers ... then we can look at a later phase, but we don't imagine moving without proper preparation for such a summit. First we have to look at the ceasefire measures," he said.

The TV images of dead and wounded Gazans has inflamed Arab public opinion, and protests erupted in Arab Israeli villages, the West Bank and elsewhere in the Arab world.

The campaign embarrassed moderate Arab regimes that have encouraged
Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking and weakened Hamas' rival, Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June 2007.

Abbas condemned the attacks on Saturday, but fearing violence could spiral out of control, his forces also broke up protests in the West Bank.

The offensive risked opening new fronts, including unrest that could
destabilize the West Bank and ignite possible rocket attacks by Lebanese
Hezbollah guerrillas on northern Israel.

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050626.html
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« Reply #290 on: December 28, 2008, 10:14:58 AM »

Oh goodie.......another know-it-all jew hater.

YOu are a moron, and quite frankly your vile accusations and inability to see what is really happening make you little better than scum

You have made very few posts on this forum and clearly are not awake to the realities of the NWO/Illuminati and how they have used Zionism to spread hate and chaos.

As such I get it is at least 50/50 that you are another one of the megaphonie brigade that has flooded internet forums all over the world since the IAF launched this sickening bout of killing yesterday morning (just in time for the schools emptying - streets full of children)

I sincerely hope that Sane and co see you for what you are and ban you for such a disgraceful and baseless accusation as calling me a Jew hater because I point out the crimes of the IDF and try to inform yourself and others as to the psyops nature of Shin Beth's operation to have the IDF labelled as 'the most humane army in the world' - a psyops operation which is widely documented and has been ongoing for more than 20 years.
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« Reply #291 on: December 28, 2008, 10:17:35 AM »

Iran orders all Muslims to defend Palestinians against Israeli Gaza raids
By Haaretz Service and News Agencies
Tags: israel, hamas, gaza

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world on Sunday, ordering them to defend Palestinians against Israel's attacks on Gaza, state television said.

"All Palestinian combatants and all the Islamic world's pious people are obliged to defend the defenceless women, children and people in Gaza in any way possible. Whoever is killed in this legitimate defense is considered a martyr," state television quoted Khamenei as saying in a statement.

Israel launched an unprecedented assault on the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing 230 people and sparking protests and condemnations throughout the Arab world. By early afternoon on Sunday, the death toll had climbed to at least 280.

Many of Israel's Western allies urged restraint, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

In his statement on Sunday, Khamenei also criticized some Arab governments for their "encouraging silence" towards the Israel's raids on Gaza.

Meanwhile, Hamas' political leaders in the Gaza Strip have gone into hiding in the wake of Israel's operation on the coastal territory, fearing that they will once again be targeted in the attacks.

In Damascus, Syria, Hamas' top leader, Khaled Meshal, called on Palestinians to rekindle their fight against Israel and renew suicide bombings against Israeli targets. "This is the time for a third Intifada," he said.

In a speech broadcast on local Gaza television, Hamas' prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, declared his movement would not be cowed. "We are stronger, and more determined, and have more will, and we will hold onto our rights even more than before," Haniyeh said.

Abu Ubeida, spokesman for the organization's military wing, the Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades vowed harsh retaliation: "The Israeli occupation needs to know that it has cast itself into the fire," he said.

Meanwhile, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Sunday the Islamist group Hamas could have avoided the Israeli attacks on Gaza.

"We talked to them and we told them 'please, we ask you, do not end the truce. Let the truce continue and not stop' so that we could have avoided what happened," he said in Cairo.

The leaders spoke as Israel Air Force strikes on the Gaza Strip killed nearly 230 Palestinians, at least 15 of them civilians and other three top officers in Hamas' security force.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said on Sunday that Hamas was not allowing Palestinians wounded in Israel's attacks on Gaza to cross into Egypt for treatment.

"We are waiting for the wounded Palestinians to cross. They are not being allowed to cross," he told reporters. Asked who was to blame, he said: "Ask the party in control on the ground in Gaza."

Gheit said that said that Cairo, which has mediated between Hamas and Israel and between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, summoned the Israeli ambassador to the Foreign Ministry on Sunday for the second day
in a row to complain about Israeli military operations.

"We object to this and we demand a stop and that the Israeli army does not carry out a new invasion," he said.

The Egyptian minister said a ceasefire would be the aim of a meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Cairo on Wednesday.

Several Arab leaders have also proposed an Arab summit to respond to the attacks on Gaza but Aboul Gheit suggested that a summit could be some way off.

"Priority is the Arab measures at the level of foreign ministers ... then we can look at a later phase, but we don't imagine moving without proper preparation for such a summit. First we have to look at the ceasefire measures," he said.

The TV images of dead and wounded Gazans has inflamed Arab public opinion, and protests erupted in Arab Israeli villages, the West Bank and elsewhere in the Arab world.

The campaign embarrassed moderate Arab regimes that have encouraged
Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking and weakened Hamas' rival, Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June 2007.

Abbas condemned the attacks on Saturday, but fearing violence could spiral out of control, his forces also broke up protests in the West Bank.

The offensive risked opening new fronts, including unrest that could
destabilize the West Bank and ignite possible rocket attacks by Lebanese
Hezbollah guerrillas on northern Israel.

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050626.html
Trans-Jordanians. not Palestinians.
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« Reply #292 on: December 28, 2008, 10:27:58 AM »

Yeah it's Debka but...

Israel prepares Gaza ground incursion, Hamas gears for suicide terror
DEBKAfile Special Analysis

December 27, 2008, 11:04 AM (GMT+02:00)
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5801

Hamas compounds flattened
DEBKAfile's military sources assess the next stage of Israel's Gaza campaign as being a ground incursion of the Gaza Strip, to follow up the air bombardment of Hamas compounds Saturday, Dec. 27. Hamas estimates that in four minutes, dozens of Israeli bombers and helicopters flattened 30 "high profile" sites. At least 350 Palestinians were killed, 90 percent of them Hamas operatives, and between 700 and 800 more were injured. Some of the casualties are still buried under the rubble. The blow sustained by the Palestinian Islamist terrorist group was massive by any military standards and severely upset its military equilibrium. Its retaliation against Israeli towns and villages was therefore slower and smaller in scope that Israel expected.

The fifty plus missiles fired into Israel included a small number of 42-range Grad Katyusha rockets made in Iran. One Israeli was killed and several injured in Netivot and three more hurt when Sderot synagogue too a direct missile hit.

Nonetheless, Hamas is not ready to show a white flag, even after losing hundreds of its military and police personnel, including top commanders, and will make a supreme effort to retaliate from the Gaza Strip as well as mobilizing its substantial Hizballah-backed command center in Lebanon. Hamas operatives will be pressed into service as suicide terrorists. They remain active after Israeli units and Mahmoud Abbas' special forces trained by US and British instructors conducted systematic crackdowns to crush them for more than a year. The second blow in the form of a formidable Israeli ground incursion without delay is therefore imperative to prevent Hamas getting its second wind.

While Israel's air attack is counted a success, its war chiefs are taking care not to be trapped by an early achievement into the sort of blunders which led to the Lebanon war's unsatisfactory conclusion in 2006. That campaign was commanded by a former airman, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, who saw no point in a ground operation after Hizballah's command center was razed by air – until it was too late.

The first objective of a ground force in the coming hours will be to destroy "Lower Gaza," the underground city designed by an Iranian general and spread under most of the enclave's area. This subterranean sanctuary kept the bulk of the Hamas army, 15,000 men, their officers and leaders, out of harm's way during the Israeli air offensive Saturday. Their resistance must be broken before Hamas can be brought to surrender. Until then they will fight on.

The second Israeli objective must be to sever the Gaza Strip from Egypt by recapturing the Philadelphi border strip.

These missions are formidable indeed and may take weeks of ups and downs, which is why prime minister Ehud Olmert's goal of restoring normal lives to the people of southern Israel is a lot less simplistic than it sounds. The air operation was indeed just the beginning.
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« Reply #293 on: December 28, 2008, 10:31:55 AM »

Thousands of Palestinians break through Rafah crossing into Egypt
 
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Israeli news outlets reported Sunday afternoon that thousands of Palestinians broke through the Rafah border crossing into Egypt.

Egyptian police reportedly fired at the Palestinians in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent the infiltration.
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« Reply #294 on: December 28, 2008, 10:32:21 AM »

YOu are a moron, and quite frankly your vile accusations and inability to see what is really happening make you little better than scum

You have made very few posts on this forum and clearly are not awake to the realities of the NWO/Illuminati and how they have used Zionism to spread hate and chaos.

As such I get it is at least 50/50 that you are another one of the megaphonie brigade that has flooded internet forums all over the world since the IAF launched this sickening bout of killing yesterday morning (just in time for the schools emptying - streets full of children)

I sincerely hope that Sane and co see you for what you are and ban you for such a disgraceful and baseless accusation as calling me a Jew hater because I point out the crimes of the IDF and try to inform yourself and others as to the psyops nature of Shin Beth's operation to have the IDF labelled as 'the most humane army in the world' - a psyops operation which is widely documented and has been ongoing for more than 20 years.


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Here here!
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« Reply #296 on: December 28, 2008, 11:12:37 AM »

Gaza hospitals are overwhelmed, Red Cross says
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GENEVA, Dec 28 (Reuters)
- Hospitals in the Gaza Strip are overwhelmed and unable to cope with the casualties from Israeli air strikes, the international Red Cross said on Sunday.

Gaza's hospitals urgently need medical equipment and people are afraid to go into the streets, the International Committee of the Red Cross said. Nearly 290 people have been killed in two days of strikes Israel says were a response to rocket fire.

"The hospitals are overwhelmed and unable to cope with the scale and type of injuries that keep coming in," Marianne Robyn Whittington, an ICRC health delegate in Gaza, said in a statement from the organisation.

Pierre Wettach, head of the ICRC's delegation in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said it was essential to allow emergency supplies to enter Gaza.

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society has provided extra staff to hospitals, while workers and volunteers have been helping to evacuate the dead and wounded from damaged or destroyed buildings, the ICRC said.

The ICRC has so far been able to provide medical supplies to two hospitals in Gaza. A shipment of more was due on Sunday.

Israel said its air strikes were a response to almost daily rocket and mortar fire that intensified after Hamas, the Islamist group in charge of the Gaza Strip, ended a six-month ceasefire a week ago.

The ICRC reminded both sides that international humanitarian law requires a clear distinction between civilians and military objectives and that medical facilities and personnel must also be protected
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« Reply #297 on: December 28, 2008, 11:14:51 AM »

Artillery batteries deployed along border with Gaza Strip
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Despite heavy losses sustained by Hamas just two days into the IDF military operation Cast Lead, defense officials predict that the Islamic group will significantly increase its rocket barrages in the next 24 hours, possibly employing projectiles which can hit more than 40 kilometers into Israeli territory.

IDF continues airstrike on the Gaza Strip, attacks prison, homes of Hamas field commanders

By Sunday evening, the death toll in the Gaza Strip had risen to over 280, Palestinian sources said, as IAF aircraft continued their bombings of Hamas targets.

IAF jets struck 40 smuggling tunnels connecting the Palestinian and Egyptian sides of Rafah, a Gaza Strip border town which has become a main entry point into Gaza of weapons, dynamite and other smuggled foreign military equipment and consumer goods. According to reports, the bombing took a total of four minutes.

Since the beginning of the operation, 230 sorties were flown by fighter jets, 56 sorties by attack helicopter, and 23 sorties by other aircraft.
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« Reply #298 on: December 28, 2008, 11:15:09 AM »

Gaza burning pics.

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« Reply #299 on: December 28, 2008, 11:18:35 AM »

Israel calls up reserve troops and sends tanks to Gaza border after killing more than 280 in 'one of the bloodiest days in 60 years'
By Jane Flanagan and Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 5:42 PM on 28th December 2008

Fears of invasion are growing after Israel called up thousands of reservists and moved dozens of tanks to the Gaza Strip border.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1102100/Israel-calls-reserve-troops-sends-tanks-Gaza-border-killing-280-bloodiest-days-60-years.html

(Lots of sad pics here, too)
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« Reply #300 on: December 28, 2008, 11:22:43 AM »

Hey bethane, you support the bombing of a mosque? You support the bombing of a holy site considered off limits by international law? I don't hate jews, I hate the assholes who say it's perfectly fine to bomb a mosque full of praying citizens who ARE NOT F**KING TERRORISTS and killing everyone inside. That's just as evil as the guy who killed his whole family in California and burned the house down. The way I see it, yer on the side of the people who kill innocent muslims, because you hate them, who wish to pray for peace instead get a bomb dropped on them. And don't give me the BS of "it might have been a misguided bomb". that does not happen anymore, they are ALL guided. Plain and simple. They aren't fighting a war from the 1940's, they're using weapons WE gave them. So the Israelis aren't terrorists? Do you even know the definition of terrorist? The Israelis are using fear, intimidation and slaughter to change their way of life. That IS terrorism. SO yeah, keep on praying to your god and saying it's OK for a holy mosque to be bombed and for Israel to fire rockets on their own people, but it's a horrible act of terrorism for the people being bombed, shot, murdered, raped and starved to fight back as is their f**king god given right. If the Israelis are so innocent, then why did they start a war on MY RELIGIONS MOST HOLY DAY? I take it as an act of war against myself. F**K Israel and her supporters. They are all satan worshipping mass murderers. Prove they aren't. Just prove it. They murdered jesus, yes murdered. Not the muslims, the jews. Now they bomb people who just wanna live their lives, like the terrorists they are. If it was a church that had a bomb dropped on it on purpose as is the case here, there would be a major backlash around the world against the people who did it. But they drop a bomb on a mosque and it's perfectly fine.
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« Reply #301 on: December 28, 2008, 11:27:45 AM »


The reality of tragedy strikes deep when I see these pictures. 

I am praying for Palestinians to find safety and peace. May God please help them. 

And may our media stop making them out to seem like the bad guys and Israel is good. It makes me sick how evil gets away with so much.
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« Reply #302 on: December 28, 2008, 11:30:58 AM »

The reality of tragedy strikes deep when I see these pictures. 

I am praying for Palestinians to find safety and peace. May God please help them. 

And may our media stop making them out to seem like the bad guys and Israel is good. It makes me sick how evil gets away with so much.

I wish our newspapers and TVs were plastered with photos/video of the true impact of war, whoever perpetrates it. The masses only think they can imagine the truth but the MSM sees to it that they're shielded from the true extent of the horror.
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« Reply #303 on: December 28, 2008, 11:32:14 AM »

wonder if we will expose another adl aipac agent today:D

i just spoke to a friend from there shes doing okay but extremly pissed off
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« Reply #304 on: December 28, 2008, 11:35:03 AM »

Israel calls up reserve troops and sends tanks to Gaza border after killing more than 280 in 'one of the bloodiest days in 60 years'

If it's "terrorism" when Muslims do things like this, why is it not "terrorism" when Zionists do them?

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"Terror" is a term that rightly arouses strong emotions and deep concerns. The primary concern should, naturally, be to take measures to alleviate the threat, which has been severe in the past, and will be even more so in the future. To proceed in a serious way, we have to establish some guidelines. Here are a few simple ones:

    (1) Facts matter, even if we do not like them.

    (2) Elementary moral principles matter, even if they have consequences that we would prefer not to face.

    (3) Relative clarity matters. It is pointless to seek a truly precise definition of "terror," or of any other concept outside of the hard sciences and mathematics, often even there. But we should seek enough clarity at least to distinguish terror from two notions that lie uneasily at its borders: aggression and legitimate resistance.

If we accept these guidelines, there are quite constructive ways to deal with the problems of terrorism, which are quite severe. It's commonly claimed that critics of ongoing policies do not present solutions. Check the record, and I think you will find that there is an accurate translation for that charge: "They present solutions, but I don't like them."

Suppose, then, that we accept these simple guidelines. Let's turn to the "War on Terror." Since facts matter, it matters that the War was not declared by George W. Bush on 9/11, but by the Reagan administration 20 years earlier.

They came into office declaring that their foreign policy would confront what the President called "the evil scourge of terrorism," a plague spread by "depraved opponents of civilization itself" in "a return to barbarism in the modern age" (Secretary of State George Shultz). The campaign was directed to a particularly virulent form of the plague: state-directed international terrorism. The main focus was Central America and the Middle East, but it reached to southern Africa and Southeast Asia and beyond.

A second fact is that the war was declared and implemented by pretty much the same people who are conducting the re-declared war on terrorism. The civilian component of the re-declared War on Terror is led by John Negroponte, appointed last year to supervise all counterterror operations. As Ambassador in Honduras, he was the hands-on director of the major operation of the first War on Terror, the contra war against Nicaragua launched mainly from US bases in Honduras. I'll return to some of his tasks. The military component of the re-declared War led by Donald Rumsfeld. During the first phase of the War on Terror, Rumsfeld was Reagan's special representative to the Middle East. There, his main task was to establish close relations with Saddam Hussein so that the US could provide him with large-scale aid, including means to develop WMD, continuing long after the huge atrocities against the Kurds and the end of the war with Iran. The official purpose, not concealed, was Washington's responsibility to aid American exporters and "the strikingly unanimous view" of Washington and its allies Britain and Saudi Arabia that "whatever the sins of the Iraqi leader, he offered the West and the region a better hope for his country's stability than did those who have suffered his repression" -- New York Times Middle East correspondent Alan Cowell, describing Washington's judgment as George Bush I authorized Saddam to crush the Shi'ite rebellion in 1991, which probably would have overthrown the tyrant.

Saddam is at last on trial for his crimes. The first trial, now underway, is for crimes he committed in 1982. 1982 happens to be an important year in US-Iraq relations. It was in 1982 that Reagan removed Iraq from the list of states supporting terror so that aid could flow to his friend in Baghdad. Rumsfeld then visited Baghdad to confirm the arrangements. Judging by reports and commentary, it would be impolite to mention any of these facts, let alone to suggest that some others might be standing alongside Saddam before the bar of justice. Removing Saddam from the list of states supporting terrorism left a gap. It was at once filled by Cuba, perhaps in recognition of the fact that the US terrorist wars against Cuba from 1961 had just peaked, including events that would be on the front pages right now in societies that valued their freedom, to which I'll briefly return. Again, that tells us something about the real elite attitudes towards the plague of the modern age.

Since the first War on Terror was waged by those now carrying out the redeclared war, or their immediate mentors, it follows that anyone seriously interested in the re-declared War on Terror should ask at once how it was carried out in the 1980s. The topic, however, is under a virtual ban. That becomes understandable as soon as we investigate the facts: the first War on Terror quickly became a murderous and brutal terrorist war, in every corner of the world where it reached, leaving traumatized societies that may never recover. What happened is hardly obscure, but doctrinally unacceptable, therefore protected from inspection. Unearthing the record is an enlightening exercise, with enormous implications for the future.

These are a few of the relevant facts, and they definitely do matter. Let's turn to the second of the guidelines: elementary moral principles. The most elementary is a virtual truism: decent people apply to themselves the same standards that they apply to others, if not more stringent ones. Adherence to this principle of universality would have many useful consequences. For one thing, it would save a lot of trees. The principle would radically reduce published reporting and commentary on social and political affairs. It would virtually eliminate the newly fashionable discipline of Just War theory. And it would wipe the slate almost clean with regard to the War on Terror. The reason is the same in all cases: the principle of universality is rejected, for the most part tacitly, though sometimes explicitly. Those are very sweeping statements. I purposely put them in a stark form to invite you to challenge them, and I hope you do. You will find, I think, that although the statements are somewhat overdrawn--purposely -- they nevertheless are uncomfortably close to accurate, and in fact very fully documented. But try for yourselves and see.

This most elementary of moral truisms is sometimes upheld at least in words. One example, of critical importance today, is the Nuremberg Tribunal. In sentencing Nazi war criminals to death, Justice Robert Jackson, Chief of Counsel for the United States, spoke eloquently, and memorably, on the principle of universality. "If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes," he said, "they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us....We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well."

That is a clear and honorable statement of the principle of universality. But the judgment at Nuremberg itself crucially violated this principle. The Tribunal had to define "war crime" and "crimes against humanity." It crafted these definition very carefully so that crimes are criminal only if they were not committed by the allies. Urban bombing of civilian concentrations was excluded, because the allies carried it out more barbarically than the Nazis. And Nazi war criminals, like Admiral Doenitz, were able to plead successfully that their British and US counterparts had carried out the same practices. The reasoning was outlined by Telford Taylor, a distinguished international lawyer who was Jackson's Chief Counsel for War Crimes. He explained that "to punish the foe--especially the vanquished foe--for conduct in which the enforcing nation has engaged, would be so grossly inequitable as to discredit the laws themselves." That is correct, but the operative definition of "crime" also discredits the laws themselves. Subsequent Tribunals are discredited by the same moral flaw, but the self-exemption of the powerful from international law and elementary moral principle goes far beyond this illustration, and reaches to just about every aspect of the two phases of the War on Terror.

Let's turn to the third background issue: defining "terror" and distinguishing it from aggression and legitimate resistance. I have been writing about terror for 25 years, ever since the Reagan administration declared its War on Terror. I've been using definitions that seem to be doubly appropriate: first, they make sense; and second, they are the official definitions of those waging the war. To take one of these official definitions, terrorism is "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature...through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear," typically targeting civilians. The British government's definition is about the same: "Terrorism is the use, or threat, of action which is violent, damaging or disrupting, and is intended to influence the government or intimidate the public and is for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause." These definitions seem fairly clear and close to ordinary usage. There also seems to be general agreement that they are appropriate when discussing the terrorism of enemies.

But a problem at once arises. These definitions yield an entirely unacceptable consequence: it follows that the US is a leading terrorist state, dramatically so during the Reaganite war on terror.

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« Reply #305 on: December 28, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »

War and terrorism both exist to exert control over people who are largely unaware of the true issue at hand. Government is the problem; it's at the root of everything bad on this planet.
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« Reply #306 on: December 28, 2008, 11:45:32 AM »

War and terrorism both exist to exert control over people who are largely unaware of the true issue at hand. Government is the problem; it's at the root of everything bad on this planet.

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« Reply #307 on: December 28, 2008, 11:48:19 AM »

Haaretz news flash

20:36     Suicide bomber blows himself up at Iraqi protest against Gaza raids (AP)  ((This one doesn't make sense))
20:31    Poll: 39% of Israelis think Gaza operation will stop rocket fire from Gaza (Ch. 10)
20:23    Germany urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza (DPA)
20:21    Schools within 20 km of Gaza will not reopen after Hanukkah holiday (Haaretz)
20:06    1,400 protest in Paris over Gaza fighting (AP)
20:01    Red Cross: Gaza hospitals overwhelmed, urgently need medical equipment (Reuters)

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« Reply #308 on: December 28, 2008, 11:54:00 AM »

many thanks, they annoy me a lot and deserve a good kicking

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« Reply #309 on: December 28, 2008, 11:55:49 AM »

Yeah I feel ya Biggs  Wink

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« Reply #310 on: December 28, 2008, 11:59:36 AM »

Haaretz news flash

20:23    Germany urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza (DPA)

http://haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ShowTickers.jhtml

So that is the third country I've heard of so far (after the US and the Netherlands) that officially condones this criminal act of war against a people of 1.5 million. Truly sad...
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« Reply #311 on: December 28, 2008, 12:03:31 PM »

Yeah I feel ya Biggs  Wink

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Lol, too funny. the detractors are out in full force right now trying to make the Palestinians look evil and I have almost no tolerance for those very detractors.
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« Reply #312 on: December 28, 2008, 12:05:58 PM »

Government is the problem; it's at the root of everything bad on this planet.

I think it's more accurate to say that "the State" is the problem.

To understand why, read the following:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets2.html
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« Reply #313 on: December 28, 2008, 12:19:32 PM »

I think it's more accurate to say that "the State" is the problem.

To understand why, read the following:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets2.html

True - bad choice of words on my part. But even "The State" isn't really broad enough because it nees to include the mass media, some multinationals and the various NGOs/think tanks. Maybe The Establishment or the Ruling Class would be better terms in this context.
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« Reply #314 on: December 28, 2008, 12:26:12 PM »

There you are Biggs, calling people morons again and even CALLING for bans.

Here's the deal buddy, and I don't care how large your post count is:
1 - Censorship is NOT a pretty thing, OK? Mods don't have to ban anyone just because you don't like their comments
2 - You can use the word 'moron' all day long, it doesn't make your arguments any more persuasive. If you were REALLY mature, you would lay off the pottymouth words and talk like a REAL ADULT.

Anyway, I don't want to get into an argument with you, but please remove your ego from the equation and start talking to people like fellow human beings please.
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« Reply #315 on: December 28, 2008, 12:27:43 PM »

True - bad choice of words on my part. But even "The State" isn't really broad enough because it nees to include the mass media, some multinationals and the various NGOs/think tanks. Maybe The Establishment or the Ruling Class would be better terms in this context.

"Ruling class" is probably the best term, because it applies as much to private oligarchs as it does to corrupt heads of state.

"Plutocracy" is just as accurate, but I suspect fewer people are familiar with what it means.
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Palestinians breached the border fence with Egypt and hundreds poured across the frontier, prompting Egyptian guards to open fire, said officials and witnesses on both sides.

Stand and fight = die; hide = die; escape = die.

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« Reply #317 on: December 28, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »

There you are Biggs, calling people morons again and even CALLING for bans.

Here's the deal buddy, and I don't care how large your post count is:
1 - Censorship is NOT a pretty thing, OK? Mods don't have to ban anyone just because you don't like their comments
2 - You can use the word 'moron' all day long, it doesn't make your arguments any more persuasive. If you were REALLY mature, you would lay off the pottymouth words and talk like a REAL ADULT.

Anyway, I don't want to get into an argument with you, but please remove your ego from the equation and start talking to people like fellow human beings please.

i am backing biggs up here because every time there is a post against isLIEAL they throw out jew hater comments like idiots
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« Reply #318 on: December 28, 2008, 12:31:31 PM »

i am backing biggs up here because every time there is a post against isLIEAL they throw out jew hater comments like idiots

The problem isn't with his post - in fact, I concur with much he wrote.

It's the call for bans and the unnecessary use of 'swearwords' that I take issue with. As if he is somehow SUPERIOR to another person - that kind of disdain for a fellow man is the same kind of mindset that the elite has that he purportedly rallies against.
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« Reply #319 on: December 28, 2008, 12:32:38 PM »

For those of you that hate the jews...that think this is all about the jews in the wrong, that they are only zionists..here is an interesting and eye-opening look at what brought things to this point. Written by one that has experienced it.
"After 7 years of bombardment from Gaza into Israeli towns and
villages this failed Israeli Government finally took action to stop
Hamas who were once a small terrorist group but today a 20,000 strong
well trained army supplied by Iran. I woke this morning to see how
terrible us Jews are by killing "Palestinian children" in Gaza. For 7
years they have targeted our civilian population with no out-cries
from the world's media. When our children were being blown to pieces
and baby body parts were scattered across the streets of our cities
there was no out-cry. The question must be asked why is Jewish life
so cheap that the world doesn't care how we are treated or murdered.

Before Israel hit Hamas there was months even years of intelligence
gathering in order to not hit civilians or as little civilian
collateral damage as possible. But when you have a terrorist group
that hides in crowded populations and shoots there missiles from back-
yards, school-yards, and Mosques it is not so easy to go after them
without some collateral damage. The one thing I am certain of is
there are no other governments in the world that would try as hard as
we do to not kill civilians, even when these civilians, when asks,
will tell you they want to kill Jews. And have been raised from
childhood to believe to kill Jews and Infidels pleases Allah."

Now....tell me that all of Israel is at fault in this!


Are you deranged?

Israel invades sovereign lands, takes all they want, oppress, kill and starve the people who lived there, and yet you still feel you are 'victims' when these people say NO and fight you back?

I agree with another poster's comment that I also feel the response to zionist Israel has been almost unbelievably muted.

Frankly, I see Israel being vaporised in a blinding flash.  I really do.  It's only a matter of time now sadly, as not all Israeli's are zionist murderers.
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