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There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« on: December 24, 2008, 12:00:45 AM »
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"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. "Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook


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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 12:15:42 AM »
Funny how he does not include the British Empire as a willful accomplice and probably originator of this total fantasy.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 12:26:16 AM »
Funny how he does not include the British Empire as a willful accomplice and probably originator of this total fantasy.
That is what the British do. They blame their enemies for everything and let them destroy each other. Now they are blaming the U.S. for something they likely started and definetely collaborated in, but is the rest of the world still that stupid ? i dont think they are at this point. The Developed nations in particular must know the British Empire has a large hand in this mess, in particular Russia and China.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 12:44:43 AM »
Well this is a strange story especially since Robin Cook died back in Aug 2005 - under very suspicious circumstances as it turned out.

I can't find other references to that particular quote, but he was definitely very unhappy with the "weopons of mass destruction" lie and later resigned from the UK government.

He may well have been planning a massive whistle-blow when he (cough) died of "heart failure" while on MOD property...another David Kelly? Most probably.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 01:12:26 AM »
Well this is a strange story especially since Robin Cook died back in Aug 2005 - under very suspicious circumstances as it turned out.

I can't find other references to that particular quote, but he was definitely very unhappy with the "weopons of mass destruction" lie and later resigned from the UK government.

He may well have been planning a massive whistle-blow when he (cough) died of "heart failure" while on MOD property...another David Kelly? Most probably.

Shit, first Bush pardons a dead guy and then Pakistan quotes one.

WTF is going on these days?

Any possibility he wrote this while he was alive?

Is Pakistan sending a message that they know UK executed Cook?

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 01:14:41 AM »
Shit, first Bush pardons a dead guy and then Pakistan quotes one.

WTF is going on these days?

Any possibility he wrote this while he was alive?

Is Pakistan sending a message that they know UK executed Cook?



great questions.

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 01:45:25 AM »
Shit, first Bush pardons a dead guy and then Pakistan quotes one.

WTF is going on these days?

Any possibility he wrote this while he was alive?

Is Pakistan sending a message that they know UK executed Cook?



Robin Cook wrote this in the London Guardian the day after the 7/7 London bombings and a month before his killing.

"Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

from this article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,15238...

It's mostly terror-paradigm stuff but could Robin Cook have planned an expose on 7/7? Or even to publicly voice doubts over the official version would have been massively damaging to the terror hype.

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 02:09:41 AM »
OK, I've found where that quote comes from but it's not Robin Cook but Pierre-Henry Bunel a former French Intelligence agent. As you'll see however, it's possible that attributing it to Cook is just an error in reading a strangely introduced article from Wayne Madsen Report.


Title: Al Qaeda- The Database
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Published: Nov 19, 2005
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2005-11-21 03:08:15 by valis

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

"I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

"In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

"In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

"These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

"Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

"Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money." (Our emphasis, Ed.)(my bold, Q)

In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 02:13:41 AM »
I remember reading something similar a while back.

thanks for digging it up.

seems to be bad journalism by PK or they are sending a message that they know about Cook.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 02:37:34 AM »
A bit of both possibly - strange timing otherwise.

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 03:47:23 AM »
You know Musharef in his memoirs alledged there were numerous MI6 Agents that had infiltrated the ISI, someone reported on that a few weeks ago. He even named one, i forget the name.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008, 04:20:26 AM »
It is worth noting that he died less than 1 month after making that speech in the House of Commons.

Coincidence?

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2008, 04:23:11 AM »
It is worth noting that he died less than 1 month after making that speech in the House of Commons.

Coincidence?
Was Senator Wellstone a coincidence? of course not. Same circumstances, same tragic accidents.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2008, 05:26:19 AM »
It is worth noting that he died less than 1 month after making that speech in the House of Commons.

Coincidence?

I thought that he died pretty soon after making his resignation speech. He resigned over the Iraq invasion exposing the Government lie long before any lies came out about the weapons of mass destruction.

But apparently he died on the 6th August 2005 but he made his damming resignation speech about the Government and the war in Iraq on 17th March 2003, which was 18 months earlier. (Are these dates right, as anyone got another version of these dates above).

I did respect Robin Cook for his actions and his resignation speech, which I think drew a large T.V. audience for a Parliamentary speech.

But having just listened to it again, I notice he speaks about a New World Order, it seems Robin Cook signed up to a New World Order of peace and not war, but he did sign up to a New World Order. It seems the devil tricked him and pulled the wool over his eyes and lied.

Here is the link below to the most famous political speech in post Second World War Britain.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwKkl7Nydw

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2008, 06:02:33 AM »
This article is on rense.com as well, And its also attributed to robin Cook..... But he was wacked no doubt about it.... Very shady circumstances!

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2008, 08:03:49 AM »
he wrote the article in which he exposed Al Qaeda as a CIA op named after their Database of Arab operatives

the above quote is taken from that same article he wrote in the Guardian Newspaper

a month later he officially died of a heart attack whilst out hill walking in Scotland with his wife, it should be noted that he had walked ahead of his wife when he died and his wife caught up with him to find him in cardiac arrest, he had been out of her sight for some minutes, there was also some talk of a helicopter in the vicinity at the time

there is no way on earth that Robin Cook was involved in any conspiracy regarding 9-11, 7/7 or the NWO, he was one of the good guys

what he said was in the surface of things accurate, or course what he did not say is that Rothschilds/Royals are likely to some extent or another the driving force behind the NWO (add in Rockefeller/Vatican) but he was not talking on quite that level. On the surface of things Al Qaeda is a CIA op and 9-11 was likely committed by mostly US operatives - who they took their orders from is a different matter.
 
either way, a month after stating these things in a national newspaper he was dead, given that he was such a high profile political figure his statements were unprecedented and appear to have cost him his life.
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2008, 08:10:10 AM »
Good thread.

The biggest terrorist organizations in this world are from Israel, Uk and US. Been doing a lot of reading on Serayat Maktal these last few days and that is one f**k of a terrorist organization.

I believe Al Qaeda came from the name of a CIA database that stored names and details on informants and other assets in the middle east.

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2008, 08:18:54 AM »
he wrote the article in which he exposed Al Qaeda as a CIA op named after their Database of Arab operatives

the above quote is taken from that same article he wrote in the Guardian Newspaper

a month later he officially died of a heart attack whilst out hill walking in Scotland with his wife, it should be noted that he had walked ahead of his wife when he died and his wife caught up with him to find him in cardiac arrest, he had been out of her sight for some minutes, there was also some talk of a helicopter in the vicinity at the time

there is no way on earth that Robin Cook was involved in any conspiracy regarding 9-11, 7/7 or the NWO, he was one of the good guys

what he said was in the surface of things accurate, or course what he did not say is that Rothschilds/Royals are likely to some extent or another the driving force behind the NWO (add in Rockefeller/Vatican) but he was not talking on quite that level. On the surface of things Al Qaeda is a CIA op and 9-11 was likely committed by mostly US operatives - who they took their orders from is a different matter.
 
either way, a month after stating these things in a national newspaper he was dead, given that he was such a high profile political figure his statements were unprecedented and appear to have cost him his life.

what I am saying is that really the guy is a hero whistleblower who made a statement on the fake GWOT that is unprecedented for a high profile politcian anywhere in the western world (including the US - although clearly RP has had a much wider impact with the wonderful things he has done), he then died suddenly shortly afterwards.

Given that he was a foriegn secretary for a while, he was also privy to specific information which would have made him a danger to the fake terror war in that he could have publically exposed precise networks that he suspected of involvement, both at home and abroad.

Which presumably is why he died.

 
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2008, 08:44:30 AM »
what I am saying is that really the guy is a hero whistleblower who made a statement on the fake GWOT that is unprecedented for a high profile politcian anywhere in the western world (including the US - although clearly RP has had a much wider impact with the wonderful things he has done), he then died suddenly shortly afterwards.

Given that he was a foriegn secretary for a while, he was also privy to specific information which would have made him a danger to the fake terror war in that he could have publically exposed precise networks that he suspected of involvement, both at home and abroad.

Which presumably is why he died.

 
If i remember correctly didnt he resign from Blair's cabinet as he was against the Iraq war?

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2008, 09:17:38 AM »
If i remember correctly didnt he resign from Blair's cabinet as he was against the Iraq war?

yes he did, back in 2003 in the run up to the Iraq War
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2008, 12:38:20 PM »


Bless his heart, & may he rest in peace. Yes there are men of conscience in high places. Heroes, if you will.

It is a shame they can not gather together and unite against these cowardly freaks dertermined to controll this globe.

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2008, 01:15:34 PM »
Al Qaeda does exist. This is disinformation.

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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2008, 02:06:58 PM »
Al Qaeda does exist. This is disinformation.

Al Qaeda does exist literally, but not and never at anytime as a vast global web of terrorist cells all taking orders from the same place.

Al Qaeda itself never had more than a few hundred people in total, other groups have rallied to the banner but they never took orders from Bin Laden's Al Qaeda group

larger than Al Qaeda itself was the 055 Brigade of Afghan Arabs who were a fighting brigade that would be deployed wherever Bin Laden asked, but they were soldiers not a terrorist organisation, anyway most of them were killed at Tora Bora and Shah e knot in december 2001 and march 2002
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2008, 03:46:35 PM »
Al Qaeda does exist. This is disinformation.
Al Queda's recruiters are CIA and MI6, and the patsy handlers are too. Does Al Queda Exist? yea but it's not a grassroots movement like Hamas. It would cease to exist if Intelligence Agencies decided not to fund them. As it said in the article, "There is no Islamic army"... No there isn't an army so he's right.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2008, 07:30:17 PM »
You know Musharef in his memoirs alledged there were numerous MI6 Agents that had infiltrated the ISI, someone reported on that a few weeks ago. He even named one, i forget the name.

Saeed Omar Sheikh!,the man alleged to have wired Atta $100,000 and beheaded Daniel Perle was mentioned by Musharraf,in his book, who he referred to as an MI6 double agent.

Cook was not the only Brit to deny Al Qaeda existed as we have been led to believe they exist, Sir Ian Blair also said " "Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach" .He said this on 7/7.




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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2008, 08:03:17 PM »
Al Qaeda does exist and George Bush is the head of it.  >:(

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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2008, 10:15:53 PM »
Saeed Omar Sheikh!,the man alleged to have wired Atta $100,000 and beheaded Daniel Perle was mentioned by Musharraf,in his book, who he referred to as an MI6 double agent.

Cook was not the only Brit to deny Al Qaeda existed as we have been led to believe they exist, Sir Ian Blair also said " "Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach" .He said this on 7/7.





Daniel Perle was beheaded at Abu Graib by Specdial Ops.  We all know.
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2008, 10:23:20 PM »
Daniel Perle was beheaded at Abu Graib by Specdial Ops.  We all know.

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« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2008, 05:49:04 AM »
Daniel Perle was beheaded at Abu Graib by Specdial Ops.  We all know.

I think you are thinking of Nick Berg because Dan Pearl was killed in Karachi probably by the same people and for the same reasons.This Cook revelation is not a revelation at all he is merely repeating what others said before him probably most notably Jason Burke in his book Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam and the Adam Curtis documentary "The Power of Nightmares".Al Qaeda are no more than a get out of jail free card giving American troops carte blanche to go anywhere and do anything they want.To put all Islamic fundamentalists under the same umbrella is imbecilic! unfortunately there are enough imbeciles who fall for it.The myth of Al Qaeda is the mother of all Straussian con tricks!,a neverending war against an invisible enemy that don,t really exist,come on it is pure genius.When the same group fight wars for us ,like in Afghanistan against the Russians and Kosovo against the Serbs they have God on their side.Spot the irony!.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WaiJtLrEwVU

When you overblow an enemy,create fake attacks by them and manipulate the public using fear,that is in itself TERRORISM! the real terrorists are our own governments.
 

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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2008, 12:08:35 PM »
I think you are thinking of Nick Berg because Dan Pearl was killed in Karachi probably by the same people and for the same reasons.This Cook revelation is not a revelation at all he is merely repeating what others said before him probably most notably Jason Burke in his book Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam and the Adam Curtis documentary "The Power of Nightmares".Al Qaeda are no more than a get out of jail free card giving American troops carte blanche to go anywhere and do anything they want.To put all Islamic fundamentalists under the same umbrella is imbecilic! unfortunately there are enough imbeciles who fall for it.The myth of Al Qaeda is the mother of all Straussian con tricks!,a neverending war against an invisible enemy that don,t really exist,come on it is pure genius.When the same group fight wars for us ,like in Afghanistan against the Russians and Kosovo against the Serbs they have God on their side.Spot the irony!.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WaiJtLrEwVU

When you overblow an enemy,create fake attacks by them and manipulate the public using fear,that is in itself TERRORISM! the real terrorists are our own governments.
 


You are correct.  I was wrong, thanks for the correction...

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2008, 04:34:11 PM »
I think you are thinking of Nick Berg because Dan Pearl was killed in Karachi probably by the same people and for the same reasons.This Cook revelation is not a revelation at all he is merely repeating what others said before him probably most notably Jason Burke in his book Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam and the Adam Curtis documentary "The Power of Nightmares".Al Qaeda are no more than a get out of jail free card giving American troops carte blanche to go anywhere and do anything they want.To put all Islamic fundamentalists under the same umbrella is imbecilic! unfortunately there are enough imbeciles who fall for it.The myth of Al Qaeda is the mother of all Straussian con tricks!,a neverending war against an invisible enemy that don,t really exist,come on it is pure genius.When the same group fight wars for us ,like in Afghanistan against the Russians and Kosovo against the Serbs they have God on their side.Spot the irony!.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WaiJtLrEwVU

When you overblow an enemy,create fake attacks by them and manipulate the public using fear,that is in itself TERRORISM! the real terrorists are our own governments.
 


Nice one Jannerbob. ++++

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2009, 09:30:13 AM »
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Funny how he does not include the British Empire as a willful accomplice and probably originator of this total fantasy.

That is what the British do. They blame their enemies for everything and let them destroy each other. Now they are blaming the U.S. for something they likely started and definetely collaborated in, but is the rest of the world still that stupid ? i dont think they are at this point. The Developed nations in particular must know the British Empire has a large hand in this mess, in particular Russia and China.

This is a great thread guys, highly informative, and without knocking it can I just say that the above statement is a bit misleading, unless by "British" you mean the British Government, because the "British" people are totally unable to "DO" any such thing, - they are under the influence of the BBC (Or should I say "Zionist Broadcasting Corporation") and like all the other "asleep" ones they are simply believing whatever is brain-washed into their gullible minds.  In other words they are victims of the NWO agenda, - no less, and no more so than the average "asleep" American.

I'm Scottish, by the way, not British, the only ones who consider themselves "British" are the English, ~ you won't hear anyone from Ireland, Wales or Scotland calling themselves British.  Ever!!  ;) ;D


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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2009, 09:54:57 AM »
That is what the British do. They blame their enemies for everything and let them destroy each other. Now they are blaming the U.S. for something they likely started and definetely collaborated in, but is the rest of the world still that stupid ? i dont think they are at this point. The Developed nations in particular must know the British Empire has a large hand in this mess, in particular Russia and China.

This is a great thread guys, highly informative, and without knocking it can I just say that the above statement is a bit misleading, unless by "British" you mean the British Government, because the "British" people are totally unable to "DO" any such thing, - they are under the influence of the BBC (Or should I say "Zionist Broadcasting Corporation") and like all the other "asleep" ones they are simply believing whatever is brain-washed into their gullible minds.  In other words they are victims of the NWO agenda, - no less, and no more so than the average "asleep" American.

I'm Scottish, by the way, not British, the only ones who consider themselves "British" are the English, ~ you won't hear anyone from Ireland, Wales or Scotland calling themselves British.  Ever!!  ;) ;D



That's not quite true, try askin a Ranges fan or two!  ;)
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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2009, 12:31:55 PM »
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That's not quite true, try askin a Ranges fan or two!  Wink

Lol, alright on that point I have to concede  ;D

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2009, 12:55:27 PM »
Got to Add here, Im English, not British  8)

I forgot all about this, thanks for bringing the thread back to life.
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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2009, 09:22:29 AM »
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Got to Add here, Im English, not British  Cool

Looks like there aren't ANY British folks left then  ;D

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I forgot all about this, thanks for bringing the thread back to life.

I've just finished watching, "The Power of Nightmares", and this thread caught my eye as it was relevant to the viewing.   IMO it's a thread that really aught to be kept visible for other to see.

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2009, 09:47:40 AM »
.....and Rangers fans are sub-human, so they don't count. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2009, 10:15:05 AM »
Look, just cause their knuckles scrape the ground when they walk doesn't mean they don't have rights too....  :D
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2009, 10:28:51 AM »
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.....and Rangers fans are sub-human, so they don't count.  ;)

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Look, just cause their knuckles scrape the ground when they walk doesn't mean they don't have rights too....   :D

Oh gawd, thanks for that Raffles and Chigs, my boyfriend's a Rangers fan so I'm not sure exactly what that says about me  :( :-[

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Re: There Is No 'Al Qaeda' says Ex UK Foreign Secretary
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2009, 10:38:44 AM »
Just banter ;)

I live in Falkirk and support Dunfermline, and I drink in a Blue pub so I get plenty o stick, it's fun to throw a few back every so often...
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