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Author Topic: VP Dick Cheney DEFENDS HIS WAR CRIMES!!! MSM sanitizes the horrors!  (Read 3750 times)
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« on: December 17, 2008, 03:35:33 PM »

Cheney has finally come out publicly and stated that he approved war crimes including torture and not limited to that (so itr may include Depleted Uranium, killing his own troops, creating wonderful friendly fire opportunities, false flagging Sunni/Shiite villages/mosques/babies, raping children in front of their parents, profiting off of genocide/slave labor, etc. etc.).

But here are the only talking points allowed to air on MSM...

"Is Dick Cheney correct in allowing water boarding on senior Al-Qaeda leaders for actionable intelligence that could save millions of American's lives?"

That is the only question allowed for public consumption.

Dick Cheney pressed for the raping of children in front of their parents, mutilation, etc.  Water boarding is the least of the torture he required to gain a hold on oil reserves for energy partners and Rockefeller.  But they will not talk about the child rape. 

Other pigeon holing techniques...

"Water boarding only used on senior al-qaeda leaders." - We already know there is no such thing unless you are talking about Rothschild/Rockefeller/Beatrice/CFR/Bilderberg who created and refined so-called al-qaeda.  They are not even looking for OBL anymore, they do not care about al-qaeda.  The torture justification is for the homegrown terrorism bill, not for al-qaeda.  We have been torturing enemies and non-citizens for over 50 years.  We killed over 2 million vietnamese (tortured tens of thousands).  We have been torturing south americans for decades.  We have had secret torture prisons all over europe for decades.

"Torture is needed to get intelligence that can save American's lives." - This is the greatest marketing scam in history.  Torture leads to false intelligence and false confessions as verified throughout history since the Inquisition to the Russian gulags.  We are learning it now the hard way as we bankrupt this country purchasing defensive projects because of false threats (this is why the Soviet Union fell due to KGB, Gulags, and the contradiction of torture and truthful intelligence).

Throughout the history of the world, the only reason for torture is slavery, obedience, and mind control.  It has never been successful in attaining truth or solid intelligence.  It can never be relied upon and studies have shown that over 90% of intelligence attained through torture is pure fantasy (the other 10% is highly skeptical and also almost always proved to be compromised).

Lastly they will never talk about the following...

"Who decides who to torture?"

"Who decides how?"

"Who decides for how long?"

"Who decides for what reason?"

Since people like (5 deferment, former CEO of Halliburton, 9/11 NORAD commander and stand down orderer, and accused pedophile) Dick Cheney are making many of these decisions, I have two words...

BE AFRAID!
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 03:38:50 PM »

Just think...these are the same slimeballs that are going to be supporting BIDEN'S future war crimes!  Angry
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 03:45:20 PM »

"Torture is needed to get intelligence that can save American's lives."

This is BS. This line typifies how the MSM portrays things. I have been working on a list of bail or bailout institutions/individuals. Most of the bailout recipients should have been in the bail category, and so should DICK Cheney.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 03:55:46 PM »

The guy who loves playing "The Most Dangerous Game" is the grand inquisitor.  How quaint:

Short story about the most exciting form of hunting...HUNTING HUMAN BEINGS.  It was turned into a movie in 1932, then remade in 2001, it is often played by elites with child sex slaves
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"The Most Dangerous Game" (1924) is a famous short story by Richard Connell and the author's most well-known work. It concerns a big-game hunter trapped on the island of a fellow hunter who, bored with conventional prey, has come to see humans as the only quarry worthy of his skill (human hunting).The story has been adapted for film numerous times. The most significant of these adaptations (and apparently the only one to use the original characters) was The Most Dangerous Game, released in 1932, having been shot (mostly at night) on sets used during the day for the "Skull Island" sequences of King Kong. It starred Joel McCrea as Rainsford (renamed "Robert" instead of "Sanger") and Leslie Banks as Zaroff, and added two other principal characters: Eve Trobridge (Fay Wray) and Martin Trobridge (Robert Armstrong), who are brother and sister. The story was also twice produced as a radio play for the series Suspense, on 23 September 1943 with Orson Welles as Zaroff, and on 1 February 1945 with frequent Welles collaborator Joseph Cotten playing Rainsford. In these productions, Rainsford narrates the story in retrospect as he waits in Zaroff's bedroom for the final confrontation. A second movie adaptation, or a remake of the 1932 movie, was produced by RKO (the studio that produced the 1932 original) as A Game of Death, and released in 1945. Directed by Robert Wise at the very beginning of his long and distinguished directing career, the movie was regarded poorly. Footage from the original was recycled, and one actor from the original, Noble Johnson, was cast in this remake. In keeping with events of the time, A Game of Death changed Zaroff into "Erich Kreiger", a German Nazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game

Full Text of the Short Story:
http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/danger.html


   
During Christmas vacation of 1974, my father flew us all to Disney World by route of Tampa, Florida. Ignorant of geography, it did not occur to me that Tampa was out of the way to Disney World until my father drove the rented van to the gates of MacDill Air Force Base. Military personnel met me there and escorted me into the base TOP SECRET high tech mind control conditioning facility for "behavioral modification" programming. This was the first in what became a routine series of mind control testing and/or programming sessions on government installations that I would endure throughout my Project Monarch victimization. Whether I was in a military, NASA, or government building, the procedure for maintaining me under total mind control remained consistent with Project Monarch requirements. This included prior physical and/or psychological trauma; sleep, food, and water deprivation; high voltage electric shock; and hypnotic and/or harmonic programming of specific memory compartments/ personalities. The high tech equipment and methodisms I endured from that time on gave the U.S. government absolute control of my mind and life. I had been literally driven out of my conscious mind and existed only through my programmed subconscious. I lost my free will, ability to reason, and could not think to question anything that was happening to me. I could only do as I was told. In the summer of 1975, my family drove all the way from Michigan to the Teton Mountains of Wyoming. I was ordered to ride in the back storage area of the family Chevy Suburban since I was forbidden to associate or communicate with my brothers and sister. So I dissociated into books, or into the metaphorical, hypnotic suggestions from my father and tranced deeper as I watched the prairie's seemingly endless sea of "amber waves of grain" streak past my window. Once when we stopped at a gas station, my father took me inside to show me a stuffed "jackalope" mounted on the wall. Due to my tranced, dissociative state and high suggestibility level, I believed it was indeed a cross between a jack rabbit and antelope. It was 100+ degrees in the Badlands when it cooled down at night. The intense heat of the day accentuated my ever increasing thirst. My father was physically preparing me though water deprivation for the intense tortures and programming I would endure in Wyoming. Dick Cheney, then White House Chief of Staff to President Ford, later Secretary of Defense to President George Bush, documented member of the Council on Foreign relations (CFR), and Presidential hopeful for 1996, was originally Wyoming's only Congressman. Dick Cheney was the reason my family had traveled to Wyoming where I endured yet another form of brutality -- his version of "A Most Dangerous Game," or human hunting. It is my understanding now that A Most Dangerous Game was devised to condition military personnel in survival and combat maneuvers. Yet it was used on me and other slaves known to me as a means of further conditioning the mind to the realization there was "no place to hide," as well as traumatize the victim for ensuing programming. It was my experience over the years that A Most Dangerous Game had numerous variations on the primary theme of being stripped naked and turned loose in the wilderness while being hunted by men and dogs. In reality, all "wilderness" areas were enclosed in secure military fencing whereby it was only a matter of time until I was caught, repeatedly raped, and tortured.

Dick Cheney had an apparent addiction to the "thrill of the sport." He appeared obsessed with playing A Most Dangerous Game as a means of traumatizing mind control victims, as well as to satisfy his own perverse sexual kinks. My introduction to the game occurred upon arrival at the hunting lodge near Greybull, Wyoming, and it physically and psychologically devastated me. I was sufficiently traumatized for Cheney's programming, as I stood naked in his hunting lodge office after being hunted down and caught. Cheney was talking as he paced around me, "I could stuff you and mount you like a jackalope and call you a two legged dear. Or I could stuff you with this (he unzipped his pants to reveal his oversized penis) right down your throat, and then mount you. Which do you prefer?" Blood and sweat became mixed with the dirt on my body and slid like mud down my legs and shoulder. I throbbed with exhaustion and pain as I stood unable to think to answer such a question. "Make up your mind," Cheney coaxed. Unable to speak, I remained silent. "You don't get a choice, anyway. I make up your mind for you. That's why you're here. For me to make you a mind, and make you mine/mind. You lost your mind a long time ago. Now I'm going to give you one. Just like the Wizard (of Oz) gave Scarecrow a brain, the Yellow Brick Road led you here to me. You've 'come such a long, long way' for your brain, and I will give you one." The blood reached my shoes and caught my attention. Had I been further along in my programming, I perhaps would never have noticed such a thing or had the capability to think to wipe it away. But so far, I had only been to MacDill and Disney World for government/military programming. At last, when I could speak, I begged, "If you don't mind, can I please use your bathroom?" Cheney's face turned red with rage. He was on me in an instant, slamming my back into the wall with one arm across my chest and his hand on my throat, choking me while applying pressure to the carotid artery in my neck with his thumb. His eyes bulged and he spit as he growled, "If you don't mind me, I will kill you. I could kill you -- Kill you -- with my bare hands. You're not the first and you won't be the last. I'll kill you any time I goddamn well please." He flung me on the cot-type bed that as behind me. There he finished taking his rage out on me sexually.


On the long trip back to Michigan, I lay in a heap behind the seats of the Suburban,

nauseated and hurting from Cheney's brutality and high voltage tortures,

plus the whole Wyoming experience. My father stopped by the waterfalls flowing through the Tetons to "wash my brain" of the memory of Cheney. I could barely walk through the woods to the falls for the process as instructed, despite having learned my lessons well from Cheney on following orders. The next year when our "annual" trip to Disney World rolled around, my father drove, pulling his new Holiday Rambler Royale International trailer. My father dropped me off en route at the Kennedy Space Center in Titusville, Florida where I was subjected to my first NASA programming.


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I guess 34 years ago, Cathy O'Brien (a blond haired, blue eyed, pre-teen) was an Al-Qaeda suspect with actionable intelligence that could save millions of American lives.  Dick Cheney had to electrocute her, beat her, rape her, hunt her, and commit more torture on her...

TO SAVE AMERICAN LIVES!!!

DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT THE DICK CHENEY/CATHY O'BRIEN INCIDENT PROVES TORTURE WORKS?

THINK OF THE MILLIONS SPARED BECAUSE DICK CHENEY RAPED THAT CHILD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 04:00:02 PM »

That is so sick. How did this man become vice-president, again?
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 04:18:50 PM »

Scholar: Cheney confessed to war crime
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Cheney_actions_unambiguously_war_crime_1217.html
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday December 17, 2008



Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley believes that not only did Vice President Dick Cheney "unambiguously" confess to a war crime during an ABC interview on Monday, but the US' future as a nation may depend on taking action.

Asked by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann whether Cheney had just confessed to a war crime on national television, Turley at first replied wryly, "It's an interesting question, isn't it? ... If someone commits a crime and everyone's around to see it and does nothing, is it still a crime?"

"It most certainly is a crime to participate, to create, to in many ways monitor a torture program," he added. "What [Cheney] is describing is most certainly and unambiguously a war crime."

During Monday's interview, Cheney was asked, "Did you authorize the tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohamed?" and replied, "I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared."

"What happens if the next administration does not press this?" Olbermann asked. "Do we let the International Court at the Hague come in and take over all our responsibilities for policing our own act here?"

"That's what worries me the most," Turley replied, "is that you can't talk about change without having some moral component to it. It's not just about creating jobs or lowering the price of gasoline."

"What occurred in the last eight years was an assault on who we are," Turley said. "I think that President-elect Obama's going to have to decide whether he wants power without principle or whether he wants to start with a true change, to say that no matter where an investigation will take us, if there are crimes to be found they will be prosecuted."

"It will ultimately depend on citizens, and whether they will remain silent in the face of a crime that's been committed in plain view," Turley concluded. "It is equally immoral to stand silent in the face of a war crime and do nothing, and that is what the citizens are doing. There's this gigantic yawn."

This video is from MSNBC's Countdown, broadcast Dec. 16, 2008.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 04:19:25 PM »

CIA’s Indictment of Bush on Torture
http://washingtonindependent.com/22399/cias-indictment-of-bush-on-torture
By Spencer Ackerman 12/17/08 10:43 AM

About that David Rose piece for Vanity Fair I mentioned: really, give it a read. Rose patiently tracks how the collapse of Jose Padilla’s prosecution begins with the detention and torture of a recovering heroin addict named Binyam Mohammed. When Rose asks FBI Director Robert Mueller if any terrorist attacks on the U.S. were disrupted because of torture, Mueller replies, “I don’t believe that has been the case.” And there’s a special guest appearance by Libby-and-Blagojevich-hunter Pat Fitzgerald, who accompanies an FBI agent in 1998 to Morocco to interrogate a terrorist. (Interestingly nicknamed “Joe The Moroccan.”) They secure his testimony — and use it to convict his accomplices — without laying a finger on him.

And in light of the controversy over John Brennan and finding a new leadership for the intelligence community untainted by torture, consider carefully what this anonymous CIA official tells Rose:

“We were done a tremendous disservice by the administration,” one official says. “We had no background in this; it’s not something we do. They stuck us with a totally unwelcome job and left us hanging out to dry. I’m worried that the next administration is going to prosecute the guys who got involved, and there won’t be any presidential pardons at the end of it. It would be O.K. if it were John Ashcroft or Alberto Gonzales. But it won’t be. It’ll be some poor G.S.-13 [bureaucrat] who was just trying to do his job.”

You wouldn’t approve of treating Lynndie England or Charles Graner as the architects of torture at Abu Ghraib, would you?

Finally, here’s something that rarely gets discussed in all the talk about intelligence failures from 9/11 to Iraq. Best intelligence practices say torture is an unreliable method for yielding useful information. Yet intelligence analysts who had to craft assessments from the debriefs of captured Al Qaeda operatives were left without any way of knowing that the basis for their reports was unreliable:

“We didn’t know he’d been waterboarded and tortured when we did that analysis, and the reports were marked as credible as they could be,” the former Pentagon analyst tells me. “The White House knew he’d been tortured. I didn’t, though I was supposed to be evaluating that intelligence.” To draw conclusions about the importance of what Abu Zubaydah said without knowing this crucial piece of the background nullified the value of his work. “It seems to me they were using torture to achieve a political objective. I cannot believe that the president and vice president did not know who was being waterboarded, and what was being given up.”

That’s pretty much designing failure into the architecture of intelligence work. If the point of the torture is, as Dick Cheney says, to yield reliable information — leave aside the actual relationship between torture and unreliable information — it’s nonsensical to exclude such a crucial data point from intelligence analysts. The only reason to do so is to protect the torture program from outraged CIA or Pentagon analysts who might blow the whistle to an inspector-general, or to Congress, or to the press. And at that point it’s clear that good intelligence work is no longer what’s at issue here.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 04:20:46 PM »

Cheney Admits Authorizing Torture (Or, If You're Going to Do Something Illegal and Immoral...)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Cheney-Admits-Authorizing-by-Kevin-Gosztola-081216-429.html
By Kevin Gosztola
December 16, 2008

...Make Sure You Won’t Be Prosecuted When Caught

In an ABC News interview, Cheney made these remarks:

"I supported it," he said regarding the practice known as "water-boarding," a form of simulated drowning. After World War II, Japanese soldiers were tried and convicted of war crimes in US courts for water-boarding, a practice which the outgoing Bush administration attempted to enshrine in policy.

"I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do," Cheney said. "And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it."

He added: "It's been a remarkably successful effort, and I think the results speak for themselves."

ABC asked him if in hindsight he thought the tactics went too far. "I don't," he said.

Americans should view these remarks in the same way that one might have viewed Cheney’s “So?” remark this year:

On the fifth anniversary of President George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq, President Bush said he has no doubts about waging the unpopular war despite the "high cost in lives and treasure."

Vice President Dick Cheney had a different message. Informed during a Good Morning America interview broadcast Wednesday that two-thirds of Americans now think the war was not worth fighting, Cheney said: "So?"

"So you don't care what the American people think?" ABC's Martha Raddatz asked.

He added: "I think we cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations of the public opinion polls. There has in fact been fundamental change and transformation and improvement for the better. That's a huge accomplishment."

For people like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Yoo, Addington, etc., their modus operandi must be something like this: If you’re going to do something illegal, don’t get caught, but if you are going to get caught, make sure you won’t suffer any consequences.

Cheney can admit to any war crime right now. He can admit to torture or waging illegal war. He and his friends could trot out in front of some member of the press and reveal one more element of his Project for the New American Century plan every day until Obama is inaugurated and expect nothing to happen.

Last week, a report was released on the “treatment of detainees in U.S. custody.” Sen. Carl Levin and Sen. John McCain put together an “Executive Summary and Conclusions” on their investigations, which involved Senate Armed Services Committee inquiries on June 17th and Sept. 25th of this year.

The report (known as the Rumsfeld Report) said “the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of “a few bad apples””, as Rumsfeld famously claimed after photos of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib were leaked. Furthermore, “the fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to us aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees.”

The Rumsfeld Report goes on to explain how on February 7, 2002, Bush signed a memo asserting that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the “war on terror.” Prior to that, in December 2001, the Depart of Defense General Counsel’s office solicited information on detainee “exploitation” from the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA), which according to the report is “an agency whose expertise [is] in training American personnel to withstand interrogation techniques considered illegal under the Geneva Conventions.”

JPRA oversees the military’s Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape (SERE) training which involves exposure to “physical and psychological pressures (SERE techniques) designed to simulate conditions to which [soldiers] might be subject if taken prisoner by enemies that do not abide by the Geneva Conventions.

For those unfamiliar with SERE training, this may be one of the most revealing excerpts from the report:

JPRA is the DoD agency that oversees military Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape (SERE) training. During the resistance phase of SERE training, U.S. military personnel are exposed to physical and psychological pressures (SERE techniques) designed to simulate conditions to which they might be subject if taken prisoner by enemies that did not abide by the Geneva Conventions. As one JPRA instructor explained, SERE training is “based on illegal exploitation (under the rules listed in the 1949 Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War) of prisoners over the last 50 years.” The techniques used in SERE school, based, in part, on Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean war to elicit false confessions, include stripping students of their clothing, placing them in stress positions, putting hoods over their heads, disrupting their sleep, treating them like animals, subjecting them to loud music and flashing lights, and exposing them to extreme temperatures. It can also include face and body slaps and until recently, for some who attended the Navy’s SERE school, it included waterboarding

The report further explains that two legal opinions were released in August 2002 which redefined torture (this is well known to many at this point).

 

As the report details, one opinion, the Bybee memo [authorized by then-Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel Jay Bybee] concluded, “[F]or an act to constitute torture as defined in [the federal torture statute], it must inflict pain that is difficult to endure. Physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death. For purely mental pain or suffering to amount to torture under [the federal torture statute], it must result in significant psychological harm of significant duration, e.g., lasting for months or even years.” And, “Violent acts aren’t necessarily torture; if you do torture, you probably have a defense; and even if you don’t have a defense, the torture law doesn’t apply if you act under the color of presidential authority.”


The full report and further information can be found here.

Sen. John McCain remarked, “The Committee’s report details the inexcusable link between abusive interrogation techniques used by our enemies who ignored the Geneva Conventions and interrogation policy for detainees in U.S. custody. These policies are wrong and must never be repeated.”

Since the report’s release, the cry for prosecution of members of the Bush Administration for war crimes or crimes against humanity has been nil.

Why after a Google News search is it impossible to find President-elect Barack Obama’s reaction to the Rumsfeld Report which Sen. Levin, a former colleague of his in the Senate, and Sen. John McCain, his former opponent and also a former colleague of his in the Senate, signed off on?

Might the lack of response to this report be for reasons related to the fact that Obama is not a transformative or challenging personality? Might it be because he would rather Americans move forward and not engage in actions that might create “partisan” battles which might stall reforms America desperately needs?

Does it really matter what Obama’s excuse may be though? Crimes were committed and accountability and justice is required.

Obama told Salon.com in April this year, “that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted.” While he was worried about engaging in a “partisan witch hunt” “he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."

Obama and his transition team know accountability and justice should be pursued. They have been inquiring and asking for documents which the Bush Administration is refusing to let them have access to for no good reason at all.

But, Obama has refused to issue a strong call for prosecutions of members of the Bush Administration. And, he, sadly, has often taken a weaker stance on torture than John McCain.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said on CBS' "60 Minutes weeks after winning the election." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Contrast this with this statement from Obama that was released to the States News Service in October 2007:

“The secret authorization of brutal interrogations is an outrageous betrayal of our core values, and a grave danger to our security. We must do whatever it takes to track down and capture or kill terrorists, but torture is not a part of the answer - it is a fundamental part of the problem with this administration's approach. Torture is how you create enemies, not how you defeat them. Torture is how you get bad information, not good intelligence. Torture is how you set back America's standing in the world, not how you strengthen it. It's time to tell the world that America rejects torture without exception or equivocation. It's time to stop telling the American people one thing in public while doing something else in the shadows. No more secret authorization of methods like simulated drowning. When I am president America will once again be the country that stands up to these deplorable tactics. When I am president we won't work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution, we will be straight with the American people and true to our values.”

The assertiveness and integrity found in this statement is noticeably lacking in the statements Obama is making now that he is going to be the next president of the United States.

While he ultimately decided not to appoint John Brennan, he has been considering Michael McConnell and Michael Hayden for Director of National Intelligence and CIA Director.

The excuse for considerations of those who strongly supported Bush policies has been continuity. This excuse is a result of Obama thinking that a smooth transition is more important than ending the institutionalization of lawlessness in American government.

Like most of Obama’s decisions, he seems to be making a compromise here. The worst of the Bush administration will not be serving in Obama's administration, but some will because, to Obama, this is the only way to avoid partisan bickering.

Obama’s transition has been marked by government officials constantly suggesting Obama will not be able to make changes the people want Obama to make.

For example, Rep. Silvestre Reyes [D-TX] said last week, “There are those that believe that this particular issue [torture] has to be dealt with very carefully because there are beliefs that there are some options that need to be available…We don't want to be known for torturing people. At the same time we don't want to limit our ability to get information that's vital and critical to our national security. That’s where the new administration is going to have to decide what those parameters are, what those limitations are."

The Public Record click here that Reyes is “just one of a handful of top Democrats in both Houses who in recent weeks have changed their positions in regard to the brutal techniques used by the CIA during interrogations, such as waterboarding, which has been widely regarded as torture.”

Just over a year ago, Glenn Greenwald wrote, “The Washington Post reports today that the Bush administration, beginning in 2002, repeatedly briefed leading Congressional Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees -- including, at various times, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, and Jane Harman -- regarding the CIA's "enhanced interrogation methods," including details about waterboarding and other torture measures. With one exception (Harman, who vaguely claims to have sent a letter to the CIA), these lawmakers not only failed to object to these policies, but affirmatively supported them.”

Greenwald went on to make the assertion that, “Torture didn't become an American policy despite the best efforts of a righteous Democratic leadership to stop that. Torture became an American policy precisely because a meek and often outright supportive Democratic leadership continuously allowed it.”

Cheney can admit to torture because Democrats have not admitted to being silent and complicit on the issue of torture.

Democrats have killed efforts to impeach Bush or Cheney for torture.

Despite the efforts of grassroots Americans and Dennis Kucinich and others, everything else but restoring the rule of law has been on the table for Pelosi and her Democratic underlings.

When did certain high-ranking Democrats learn about war crimes and when did they learn about it and why didn't they tirelessly pursue justice and accountability for members of the Bush Administration? Why the hesitation?

Americans should ask these questions.

They should ask, how many Democrats knew about plans to use "enhanced interrogation methods" (a sanitized term or euphemism for torture) in the "war on terror" in 2002? in 2003? in 2004? in 2005?

The Bush Administration does not have an obligation to say or do anything because Democrats are not saying or doing anything.

Obama’s plan to move forward and focus on not letting the crimes happen again may be acceptable for some, but the reality is that this plan is foolhardy at best and wills people into a state of amnesia and naiveté.

By refusing to take a stand on the crimes government has committed over the past decade (and prior to that), Obama actually makes it more possible for those crimes to happen again because without legally repudiating the policies, they may still seem legitimate to some. Those who find the policies of torture (or the policies of war which violate international law) to be legitimate will repeat the nightmares perpetrated by the Bush Administration without any hesitation.

The reality is that if we do not want to be in this situation again four or eight years from now---this situation where officials prance around in front of the press going, "Yes, I did it, and no, I don't care."---than we better commit ourselves to a campaign that calls for the prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Yoo, Addington, and anybody else who was involved in authorizing torture and other war crimes or crimes against humanity.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 04:21:38 PM »

Did Dick Cheney Just Confess to a War Crime on National TV?
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Posted by ZP Heller, Brave New Films at 1:36 PM on December 17, 2008.


The VP and his hubris have finally gone too far.


Not only has the Bush administration committed war crimes in plain sight, but now Dick Cheney is freely confessing it on national television.  In an interview with ABC, Cheney admitted he directly authorized the CIA to use highly controversial enhanced interrogation tactics like waterboarding, as well as the torture of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad.

Cheney showed no regret.  In fact, he spoke with such insouciance it was almost as though the administration hadn't repeatedly denied authorizing use of these tactics over the years.  (Of course, Cheney still denies waterboarding constitutes torture.)  What's more, he actually praised the Guantánamo Bay prison facility.  "Guantánamo has been very well run," he said, claiming it should remain open indefinitely. 

Anthony Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU with whom Brave New Foundation created the Close Gitmo campaign, had this to say:

"The current administration's torture policies and fundamentally flawed military commissions make a mockery of the Constitution and violate America's commitment to human rights. Contrary to the vice president's opinion, these detainees should be prosecuted in U.S. military or civilian courts that are fully equipped to handle complex national security cases."



Cheney's confession is part of a broader effort from the intelligence community to justify the Bush administration's use of torture in an attempt to keep Gitmo open, keep the unconstitutional military commissions going, and keep torture on the table.  It's as though they think that if they say it freely and openly enough, then we will just have to overlook the fact that they're confessing to war crimes!

We must urge President-elect Obama to close Gitmo and shut down these commissions.  Then, we must play Cheney's interview on every political blog out there in an effort to command the attention of Congress and the DOJ.  Cheney and his hubris have finally gone too far.  Here's hoping a war crimes tribunal one day replays this interview at his trial.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 04:22:40 PM »

Cheney's Confession Should Lead to Criminal Investigation of Bush's Torture Policies
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All it took was two words. Two simple words from Dick Cheney -- two words we're used to seeing in a completely different context -- settled a question I had been ambivalent about since Barack Obama was elected president last month. The question was, "Should Democrats go after Bush administration officials for the extra-legal activity of the last eight years?" Thanks to Cheney, I think that the Justice Department should investigate the criminal activities of, at the very least, the soon-to-be (but not soon enough) ex-vice president relating to the U.S. practice of torturing prisoners.

What were the two words? "I do." ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl interviewed Cheney on Monday and, at one point, asked him:
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  • ne of those tactics, of course, widely reported was waterboarding. And that seems to be a tactic we no longer use. Even that you think was appropriate?"

To which Cheney replied: "I do."

Earlier in the interview, Karl asked Cheney,
"Did you authorize the tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?"
and Cheney replied:

"I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do. And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it."


(Keith Olbermann pointed out on Countdown last night that Cheney lied when he made that statement, since he and Bush first authorized the tactics used against Mohammed, and then the CIA came back looking for confirmation of the legality of the practices. Olbermann cited the bipartisan senate report on the abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib on this point.)

In other words, the sitting vice president of the United States of America went on national television and admitted to millions of viewers that he was a war criminal.

Think I'm exaggerating? I'm not. Waterboarding has been established in international law as a form of torture that is unlawful. After World War II, American prosecutors cited waterboarding as a war crime committed by Japanese officers. They used different names, like the "water cure" and "water torture," but the practice was essentially the same.

Cheney denies that the U.S. tortured prisoners during the Bush years, but his denial is weak, since he is admitting to putting into place practices that have nearly universally been considered to be torture.

Let's be clear what we are talking about here: As Evan Wallach, a judge in the U.S. Court of International Trade who teaches the law of war at Brooklyn Law School and New York Law School, and a former JAG officer, wrote in the Washington Post in November 2007:
"The media usually characterize the practice as "simulated drowning." That's incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death."

In another article by Wallach, he describes the practice in more detail, using testimony by American military personnel who experienced waterboarding. It is chilling to read, so disturbing that I have chosen not to reproduce the passages here. If you want to read it for yourself, click on the link and do so. Let's just say that the practice is more than just unpleasant; it results in the victim experiencing actual drowning.

As angry as I was (and continue to be) about the blatant disregard for the constitution and the rule of law showed by Bush and his administration, I was always hesitant over whether going after them would do more harm than good. When the Democrats won control of Congress in November 2006, there were calls by many on the left for the party to bring impeachment charges against Bush, Cheney and others. Rep. Dennis Kucinich did, in fact, introduce impeachment resolutions against Bush and Cheney, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not allow the resolutions to move forward in the chamber.

After living through the ridiculous and baseless impeachment charges brought by the Republicans against Bill Clinton, I am leery of Congress using the impeachment hammer inappropriately. I also felt like such action would turn the truly abhorrent actions of the Bush administration into a political circus, having the effect of giving Bush and his cronies cover for their shocking behavior. "See, the Democrats are trying to score political points." And since, with 49 Republicans in the senate, it was highly unlikely any convictions would be secured, impeachment attempts would have handed Bush and the others exonerations, making it look like they had not committed any wrongful acts.

So I opposed bringing impeachment charges against anyone in the Bush administration. But the idea of Obama's Justice Department examining possible criminal charges against them raised different issues. In 2009, when Obama takes over, the country will be facing an array of difficult problems, including the worst economic downturn since World War II and wars in two countries, not to mention potentially explosvie situations in Asia from the Middle East to Pakistan. Remember, all it takes is 41 Republican senators to filibuster and kill any legislation. Addressing these problems will require Obama to gain at least some support from the Republicans. The question becomes: Do we want the new administration fighting the battles of the last president or working full-time on the problems facing the country today? Related to that, do the Democrats want to drive the Republicans into defense mode, leading to obstruction, or is it time to try and forge a more civil relationship so that Obama can get his programs through Congress?

But at the same time, I was troubled at the precedent that would be set by allowing government officials to flout the law and not be held responsible for their illegal actions. The message should be sent at all times that nobody is above the law. Say what you want about corruption in Illinois, but no shortage of the state's recent governors have found themselves behind bars (or, possibly, in Rod Blagojevich's case, on his way). Something seemed wrong -- and weak -- to me about letting Bush spend eight years taking actions that struck at the heart of American democracy, and then not holding his administration responsible for its actions. What kind of message would that send?

I was torn. And then Dick Cheney uttered those two simple words: "I do." And the scales tipped. Here's the thing: If members of the Bush administration would have at least acted like they might have done something wrong, a truth-and-reconciliation-type Congressional commission like the one currently under consideration could have found out what happened, and we could have learned our lesson and moved on. At least maybe. But if Cheney is going to go on national television and endorse torture, I feel like he has tied the hands of the country. How can we change our image, both to the rest of the world and to our own citizens, if we allow a sitting vice president to confess to supporting a policy of torture and do nothing about it?

No, Cheney has tipped the scale. I would hope that he has now forced the hand of Obama's choice for Attorney General, Eric Holder (yes, it will be Holder, the GOP whines about Marc Rich and Elian Gonzalez are acts of pathetic grandstanding that should go nowhere). I think Holder now has to investigate, in some fashion, allegations of criminal activity by members of the Bush administration, at the very least relating to torture. And he should do so, even if Bush pardons some or all of the actors involved.

Of all of Bush's enablers, Cheney was always the most unapologetic and brazen about defending the misdeeds of the administration. It will be only fitting if his decision to openly confess to aiding in torture leads to investigations of the Bush administration's illegal actions. There was a time I wasn't sure if such a course of action was wise. Thanks to Cheney, I now think we have no choice in the matter. Let's hope Obama and Holder agree.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 04:31:25 PM »

cock cheny was the running mate of a man who stole the election both times

That's one way of putting it. Here's my way of putting it:
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 05:12:26 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2008, 06:44:49 PM »


I have reached the point of no return.

When I was a kid I was told stories of hell, and the devil, and Satan and his minions of demons.
Be strait in this life or suffer the consequences in the pit.

OK, thats in the after life, they say, judgement day, they say.

I say its here and now. it has taken control of this nation, and laughs in the faces of the people. The fear they have initiated in this country is to me unfathonable, beyond my scope of what I consider evil.
The mind control, subliminal to say the least, be it the propanda machine, the daily news, the talking heads slanting , I will buy that to a point, then that ol bugger of my conscience steps in there. I can't seem to do battle with it, yes I'm contolled, my conscience is my dictator..

I have been advised by a freind to be very carefull of my inner thoughts as to what I would like to see come about. I agree with him. I will not enter that area.

I will say, I am severly depressed, WHY, the lack of substance shown by the majority in this nation. I'll keep it simple here, we all know what a bully is from our school days. The big kids who enjoys kicking the shit out of the little guys. Remember that type.

That is a speck of what this nations leaders are, a speck, a grain of sand. They are mountainous in their cruelty and inhumanity, and openly brag of it. have they turned the midset of Americans to agree with their methods, I honestly don't know.

Thousands upon thousands question 911, and they are humiliated and disgraced by the majority, the high and mighty laugh at them, close their ears to their truths.

We invaded a nation under false pretences , killing aproximetly one million innocents. No WMD's existed, no factorys of death as Powell reported daily. Yet we commited genocide, and we continue to, both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What has happened to this populace, MY God, I do not have the capacity to understand how so many can remain silent. Is it fear, is it that the masses beleive they have no say whatsoever, has the propaganda dominated their minds.

There is a division in this nation, those who have maintained their free will, who have a conscience, and can not be turned. Yes, those of us who maintain a sence of integrity and value our humanity. What of the remainder, a vast majority to say the least.

Ya, I'm a troubled puppy, after reading this I am facing a inner turmoil that causes me severe grief and anger. I lied to myself, after being in Vietnam, then coming home and marching, I convinced my self this would not happen again, that we had won, that our country was now on the right track. From the depths of my soul, I know I was attempting to hold onto a lie. I lied to me, I knew deep down that we could not rid this nation of the vermin behind the screens of deception. Those weaklings who are addicted to power over the masses, to control and degrade, to usurp the very minds of the masses.
At the very least, we could rely on our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. REALY, not so, we were decieved by master players, cowards and weaklings feeding on us. Their power is generated and excelled by their abominations. We the people of this nation have no longer the America of yestayear.
Freaks of nature are running our lives, our minds and our rights as human beings.
We as truthers, beleive in this nation that once was, in truth, honor, integrity, justice, fairplay, and conscience, we are in the minority.
Your right ,I have rambled on, it is my sincerest hope that those of us in this country who have seen the end result of genocide, the body parts of infants, walked through array of the dead innocents and listened to the screams and wailing of the victims families. Steped on bodies of infants charred beyond recognition by napalm, seen children die of starvation, felt the earth tremor under the hail of the elites bombs. Yes, step into hell, walk in the valley of death, is this what we have become. Entertainment, fodder, mindless beings allowing and condoning that which goes beyond evil, for the sake of their empires and fortunes. AJ said it MAY DAY.

It is time for every person in this nation to stand in front of a mirror, eye to eye.and either accept or deny the actions of these freaks, its time to look inside and make a decision,  genocide, torture, deceptions, lies, and evil, or wake up time.

If we do not stop these parasitic beings now, we are with them, for there will be no other alterantive that I can say on board this site.

I can not apoligize for my rant, I have had it with these creatures, those who call themseves our leaders, these pathetic cowardly parasites. The cruelity goes beond my vison of hell that I was told of as a child.

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2008, 07:21:10 PM »

i feel it too.a year ago i wouldn't have given a shit about killing a muslim. but now all i want is my hands wraped around the necks of anyone involved with bilderberg.

it brings tears to my eyes to see how far we have fallen as a country. people would rathe do myspace,onlinegameing, party like a movie star, rather than have tthe substance in their being to look into how they can save their own people from these monsters.

what a terrible deed these people have commited. i will not let them get away with this...

Fuel your anger, here.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2008, 09:58:02 AM »

My name is Cathleen (Cathy) Ann O'Brien, born 12/4/57 in Muskegon, Michigan. I have prepared this book for your review and edification concerning a little known tool that "our" United States Government is covertly, illegally, and un-constitutionally using to implement the New World Order (One World Government). This well documented tool is a sophisticated and advanced form of behavior modification (brainwashing) most commonly known as MIND CONTROL. My first hand knowledge of this TOP SECRET U.S. Government Psychological Warfare technique is drawn from my personal experience as a White House "Presidential Model" mind-control slave.

Much of the information enclosed herein has been corroborated and validated through brave and courageous "clean" members of the law enforcement, scientific, and Intelligence communities familiar with this case. These individuals' efforts helped me to understand and corroborate what happened after a lifetime of systematic physical and psychological torture orchestrated to modify my behavior through totally controlling my mind. Some of these courageous individuals are employed by the very system that controlled me and live in fear of losing their jobs, their families, or their lives. They have gone as far as they dare towards publicly exposing this tool of engineers of the New World Order--to no avail. This book is a grassroots effort to solicit and enlist the public and private support of Human Rights advocates, the recognized, respected doors in America to expose this invisible personal and social menace. This can be done by well organized, cooperative citizens with a passion for justice, who have expressed interest in restoring our Constitution and taking back America. This copy you hold is for your edification and action.

...It is my patriotic respect for the principles of truth, justice, and ultimately that freedom on which America was founded that compels me to expose the world domination motivations of those in control of our government, commonly referred to as the Shadow Government. By taking back America NOW, we can maintain the integrity of our country's history and future by detouring its destined course of being recognized world wide for the mind-control atrocities unleashed on humanity that literally begin where Adolph Hitler left off. Hitler's version of world domination that he termed in 1939 the "New World Order" is currently being implemented through advanced technologies in among others, genetic mind-controlled engineering by those in control of America.

...The expertise of my primary advocate and skilled deprogrammer, Mark Phillips, developed through his U.S. Defense Department knowledge of "Top Secret" mind-control research and researchers, was responsible for the restoration of my mind to normal functioning. As a result, I have recovered the memories related in this text, and having survived the ordeal, have reached this point of enormous frustration. In 1988, through a series of brilliantly orchestrated events, Mark Phillips rescued me and my 8-year-old daughter, Kelly, from our mind-controlled existence and took us to the safety of Alaska for rehabilitation. It was there that we began the tedious process of untangling my amnesic mind to consciously recall what I was supposed to forget.

Many U.S. and foreign government secrets and personal reputations were staked on the belief that I could not be deprogrammed and rehabilitated to accurately reveal the criminal covert activities and perversions in which Kelly and I were forced to participate, particularly during the Reagan/Bush Administrations. Now that I have gained control of my own mind, I view it as my duty as a mother and American patriot to exercise my gained free will to expose the mind control atrocities that my daughter and I endured at the hands of those in control of our government. This personal view of inside Pandora's Box includes a keen perception of how mind control is being used to apparently implement the New World Order, and a personal knowledge of WHO some sort of the so-called "masterminds" are behind this world and mind dominance effort.

While I am free to speak my mind, Kelly, now 17, is not so fortunate. Kelly has yet to receive rehabilitation for her shattered personality and programmed young mind. The high tech sophistication of Project Monarch trauma-based mind control procedures she endured, literally since birth, reportedly requires highly specialized, qualified care to aid her in eventually gaining control of her mind and life. Due to the political power of our abusers, all efforts to obtain her inalienable right to rehabilitation and seek justice have been blocked under the guise of so-called "National Security". As a result, Kelly remains untreated in the custody of the State of Tennessee--a victim of the system--a system controlled and manipulated by our abusive government "leaders"--a system which exists due to federal funding directed by our perverse, corrupt abusers in Washington, D.C. She remains a political prisoner in the custody of the State of Tennessee to this moment, waiting and hurting!


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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2008, 10:26:07 AM »

Not for children
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2008, 01:35:21 PM »

More here http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6761
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