Earthquake Prediction (December 10-15th)

[Boubear]

Not a rapture? Then what is it? Corruption cannot inherit incorruption. We will be immortal and incorruptible. You have a better word? Would you prefer the Greek word for it? I happen to prefer English. There will be both immortal and mortal people on the earth during the Millennium. Only the mortals will bear children. For more details, see Zechariah 14. The Rapture is part of the mystery of Christ and the Church, HIS BODY. We shall be like Him. Not just a cheap immitation, but the spittin' image of Him. The immortal group leave the Earth at the Rapture, are judged and rewarded at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven and return from Heaven with Christ for the Wedding Feast at the Second Coming. The nations are judged ON THE EARTH after the second coming. Why would Christ call His people out of the world at the second coming, separating them from the world and giving them immortal bodies, and then sit down and separate them again at the judgment of the nations? Makes no sense. The simple truth is that the Judgment Seat of Christ is in Heaven after the trumpet calls us up to be forever with Christ (Rev. 4:1) and we are not judged with the mortals on earth after the Second Coming or a thousand years later at the Great White Throne.

You got a better word for it Bou? The word means "caught away suddenly".
Paul said that he was disclosing a secret. ( the Greek phrase for “tell you a mystery” means to reveal a secret.)  The secret was that some would not die, but be taken alive into the Lord’s presence following an instantaneous transformation. The rapture happens fast. In one instant we’re walking on Earth and in the very next, we’re in the Kingdom. Don’t try to use the trumpet reference in verse 52 to pin the timing down. There are several “Last Trumpets” in the Bible and Jewish tradition.  For example, some theologians say there are two trumpets of God that recall the two horns of the ram caught in the thicket when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac. They call the Trumpet of Exodus 19:16 the left one, or First Trump, and say that God will call the Israelites back to the Land in the End Times by blowing the right one, or the Last Trump.

But to me his verse just means it’s the last trumpet we’ll hear before we’re changed. Since both the Corinthian passage and the one from Thessalonians describe the same things, it’s safe to assume that this trumpet is the same one mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:16 and is not pointing us toward any other event. So these two references both say that one generation of humans won’t die but will be suddenly changed from our earthly form to our heavenly one.

There are several opinions concerning this so-called last trump.

Some believe it’s the 7th trumpet of Revelation 11:15 and following. If so this would put the rapture just at the door of the Great Tribulation, which begins with Satan being cast out of Heaven to torment believers (Rev. 12) and the anti Christ ascending to power on Earth (Rev. 13). Both these events have a 3 1/2 year duration.

This is actually where the Mid-Trib and pre-wrath rapture folks place the rapture, pre-wrath believers because they say the bowl judgments announced by the 7th trumpet constitute the wrath of God.

I’ve never been able to understand how some post-tribbers believe that the 7th trumpet is at end of the Great Tribulation. But aside from all that, the 7th trumpet is never called the Last Trump in Revelation or anywhere else in the Bible.

But there is an event called the Last Trump, and that brings me to the 2nd opinion. It closes the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) leading some to believe that the Rapture fulfills that Jewish Feast.

The third opinion, one that I share, is that the Last Trump is the one time the church will hear a trumpet call while on Earth. It’s mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:16 and is called the Trumpet call of God.

The Trumpet of God only appears twice in the Bible. The first one is in Exodus 19 at Mt. Sinai and the last one is in 1 Thes. 4. Both are accompanied by the audible voice of God and both create a Kingdom. At Mt. Sinai the Israelites were redeemed from slavery, at the Rapture we’re redeemed from sin. They were consecrated, we’re perfected. They washed their clothes, we’re given clean clothes. God came to the Mt. top, Jesus comes to the air. At Mt. Sinai Moses and Aaron went up, at the rapture we go up. At Mt. Sinai Israel was wed to God. At the Rapture the Church is wed to Jesus. At Mt. Sinai God dwelt with Israel and at the rapture the Church dwells with Jesus.

Since many Biblical models are necessarily incomplete, there are also some obvious differences. Only Moses and Aaron could ascend the mountain. Anyone else going up passed from life to death. At the rapture we all go up and everyone passes from death to life. God promised to dwell with Israel if they obeyed. We will dwell with Jesus because He obeyed. They changed themselves temporarily, He changes us permanently. Theirs was an event accompanied by great fear, ours is an event anticipated with great joy. After all Mt. Sinai was the presentation of God’s Law, and the Rapture is the manifestation of His grace.

All that, but the verse you quoted has nothing to do with the rapture, it is talking about our bodies being changed from an mortal state to an eternal state.  Suddenly in a blink of an eye our bodies are changed from mortal to immortal. 

Not very hard to understand!!

[Boubear]

Notice all the small quakes in Puerto Rico!!

Update time = Fri Dec 19 13:00:01 UTC 2008

     MAG    UTC DATE-TIME
y/m/d h:m:s    LAT
deg    LON
deg    DEPTH
km     Region
MAP    3.4     2008/12/19 11:36:21      19.465      -66.330    65.4     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.8     2008/12/19 10:22:52      18.951      -66.820    10.9     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.9     2008/12/19 10:20:38      19.060      -66.844    24.1     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.9     2008/12/19 10:16:40      18.885      -66.814    16.3     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.9     2008/12/19 10:13:08      18.991      -66.840    12.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.7     2008/12/19 10:12:16      18.915      -66.804    14.4     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.5     2008/12/19 09:36:07     -32.445      -71.709    27.5     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
MAP    3.1     2008/12/19 08:54:58      19.024      -66.787    24.8     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.9     2008/12/19 08:31:53      47.077      -27.290    10.0     NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE
MAP    2.7     2008/12/19 08:30:42      18.968      -66.803    7.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.0     2008/12/19 08:06:11      1.267      126.879    57.8     MOLUCCA SEA
MAP    3.0     2008/12/19 07:58:47      18.901      -65.237    24.0     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.2     2008/12/19 07:30:10     -32.508      -71.737    33.2     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
MAP    4.6     2008/12/19 06:53:01      40.990      142.121    79.6     NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP    3.4     2008/12/19 02:45:12      19.489      -64.189    29.8     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    2.7     2008/12/19 02:42:09      19.009      -65.209    30.2     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.0     2008/12/19 02:40:35      18.878      -65.240    29.1     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.8     2008/12/19 01:55:20      18.596      -66.772    23.9     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.0     2008/12/19 00:35:02      20.264      146.250    62.5     MARIANA ISLANDS REGION
MAP    5.2     2008/12/19 00:20:59     -37.927      174.781    35.0     NORTH ISLAND OF NEW ZEALAND

[Dok]

Its the 19th.

[Boubear]

This is what I said earlier in the thread!!

I'm not sure about it either, we've had predictions in the past that never materialized.  But I joined the thread, because I watch earthquakes and I thought I could help those who wanted to watch too.  If a huge earthquake happens it wouldn't surprise me, because the frequency and magnitudes of earthquakes are increasing world wide!!

I am watching for earthquakes increasing in frequency and intensity!!  I don't care what people predict, we know they most always get it wrong.  But that doesn't mean we shouldn't watch and notice what is happening to the earth!!

Rom 8:19     For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

   Rom 8:20    For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,

   Rom 8:21    Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

   Rom 8:22    For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

   Rom 8:23    And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

[Dok]

Date setting

[Boubear]

Date setting for what exactly??  For an earthquake, well since there are more and more earthquakes and bigger frequency and intensity, it is natural that people are thinking that a big one is coming.  But the biggest one won't come until the Lord returns, now that is going to be huge, and all islands and all nations will fall when the Lord's feet touch the ground on the Mt. of Olives!!

[cold fusion]

and all islands and all nations will fall when the Lord's feet touch the ground on the Mt. of Olives!!

Yet another example of your crackpot doctrine with no scripture to back it up. There is nothing in Revelation 16, 17 or 18 to prove that the earthquake is synchronized with Christ's arrival. The chapter describes everybody bewailing the fall of Babylon, NOT SEEING AND MOURNING THE ARRIVAL OF CHRIST, indicating that Christ doesn't arrive until later. Choke on it, Bou. Christ is still in Heaven with his now married wife at that point, and doesn't arrive at the mount of Olives until after Rev. 19:14. Things that are different are not equal to each other, and Revelation 16:18 is not Zechariah 14:4.

[Boubear]

Yet another example of your crackpot doctrine with no scripture to back it up. There is nothing in Revelation 16, 17 or 18 to prove that the earthquake is synchronized with Christ's arrival. The chapter describes everybody bewailing the fall of Babylon, NOT SEEING AND MOURNING THE ARRIVAL OF CHRIST, indicating that Christ doesn't arrive until later. Choke on it, Bou. Christ is still in Heaven with his now married wife at that point, and doesn't arrive at the mount of Olives until after Rev. 19:14. Things that are different are not equal to each other, and Revelation 16:18 is not Zechariah 14:4.

You really don't know how to read do you??  If you can't put all the scriptures together to get the whole picture, how to you even attempt to tell me what the Bible says.  Again go away!!  You are only here to cause trouble, that's all your good at!!

[Boubear]

Chile still active

MAP    4.9     2008/12/19 19:25:57     -32.477      -71.615     41.9     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
MAP    3.1     2008/12/19 17:43:33      19.010      -65.141    25.4     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    5.0     2008/12/19 16:48:53     -32.538      -71.734    35.0     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
MAP    2.9     2008/12/19 15:49:19      66.053     -156.439    0.1     NORTHERN ALASKA
MAP    2.6     2008/12/19 14:49:42      51.814      178.689    76.7     RAT ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN ISLANDS, ALASKA
MAP    2.5     2008/12/19 14:18:53      58.419     -136.990    3.6     SOUTHEASTERN ALASKA
MAP    3.3     2008/12/19 14:09:12      61.988     -148.495    8.4     SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP    5.1     2008/12/19 13:57:32     -32.513      -71.600    29.7     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

[cold fusion]

REALITY CHECK:

<3.5  Only detectable by seismographs.

3.5  Felt by persons at rest on upper floors or favorably placed.

4.2  Felt indoors. Hanging objects swing. Vibration like passing of light trucks. Duration estimated. May not be recognized as an earthquake.

4.5   Hanging objects swing. Vibration like passing of heavy trucks. Windows, dishes, doors rattle. Parked cars rock. Glasses clink. Crockery clashes. In the upper range of IV, wooden walls and frames creak. 

4.8  Felt outdoors; direction estimated. Sleepers awakened. Liquids disturbed, some spilled. Small unstable objects displaced or upset. Doors swing, close, open. Shutters, pictures, move. Pendulum clocks stop; start, change rate.   (Note to Bou: It takes at least a 4.8 to rouse a sleeper.)

5.4   Felt by all. Many frightened and run outdoors. Persons walk unsteadily. Windows, dishes, glassware broken. Knickknacks, books, etc. fall off shelves. Pictures fall off walls. Furniture moves or overturned. Weak plaster and  masonry D cracked.  Masonry D is  Weak materials, such as adobe; poor mortar; low standards of workmanship; weak horizontally.Small bells ring (church, school). Trees, bushes sway visibly or are heard to rustle. 

6.1  Difficult to stand. Noticed by drivers. Hanging objects quiver; furniture breaks; damage to  masonry D, including cracks. Weak chimneys broken off at roof line. Fall of plaster, loose bricks, stones, tiles, cornices, unbraced parapets and architectural ornaments. Some cracks in  Masonry C: Ordinary workmanship and mortar; no extreme weaknesses like failing to tie in at corners, but neither reinforced nor designed against horizontal forces.. Waves on ponds, water turbid with mud. Small slides and caving in along sand and gravel banks. Large bells ring. Concrete irrigation ditches damaged.

6.5  Steering of cars affected. Damage to  masonry C  and partial collapse; some damage to  masonry B, none to  masonry A. Fall of stucco and some masonry walls. Twisting, fall of chimneys, factory stacks, monuments, towers, elevated tanks. Frame houses moved on foundations if not bolted down; loose panel walls thrown out. Decayed piling broken off. Branches broken from trees. Changes in flow or temperature of springs and wells. Cracks in wet ground and on steep slopes. 

6.9  General panic.  Masonry D  destroyed;  masonry C  heavily damaged, sometimes with complete collapse;  masonry B  seriously damaged. General damage to foundations. Frame structures, if not bolted down, shift off foundations. Frames racked. Serious damage to reservoirs. Underground pipes break. Conspicuous cracks in ground. In alluviated areas sand and mud ejected, earthquake fountains, sand craters.

7.3  Most masonry and frame structures destroyed with their foundations. Some well-built wooden structures and bridges destroyed. Serious damage to dams, dikes, and embankments. Large landslides. Water thrown on banks of canals, rivers, lakes, etc. Sand and mud shifted horizontally on beaches and flat land. Rails bent slightly.
Masonry A: shows good workmanship, mortar and design; reinforced, especially laterally, and bound together using steel, concrete, etc.; designed to reduce lateral forces.

8.1  Rails bent greatly. Underground pipelines completely out of service.

>8.1  Damage nearly total. Large rock masses displaced. Lines of sight and level distorted. Objects thrown into the air.

Masonry A: shows good workmanship, mortar and design; reinforced, especially laterally, and bound together using steel, concrete, etc.; designed to reduce lateral forces.

Masonry B: Good workmanship and mortar; reinforced, but not designed in detail to resist lateral forces.

Masonry B: Good workmanship and mortar; reinforced, but not designed in detail to resist lateral forces.

Masonry C: Ordinary workmanship and mortar; no extreme weaknesses like failing to tie in at corners, but neither reinforced nor designed against horizontal forces.

Masonry D: Weak materials, such as adobe; poor mortar; low standards of workmanship; weak horizontally.

From: Elementary Seismology, by Charles F. Richter. Copyright © 1958 by W. H. Freeman and Company.

Taking a China study as an example: The results show that: the giant earthquakes with the magnitude more than 8 occurred about every 24 years and the earthquakes with the magnitude more than 7 about every 7 years in Chinese mainland. The Western Kunlun Mountain M=8.1 earthquake exactly occurred at the expected time; The spatial distance show approximately the same distances between each two swarms. The earth rotation, earth tide, sun tide and sun magnetic field have played a role of modulation and triggering in the intensity. At last, the conditions for earthquake generation and occurrence are also discussed.

[Boubear]

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear!!

Rev 6:12     And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and,

lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth

of hair, and the moon became as blood;

   Rev 6:13    And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,

even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a

mighty wind.

   Rev 6:14    And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is

rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of

their places.

   Rev 6:15    And the kings of the earth, and the great men,

and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every

bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the

rocks of the mountains;

   Rev 6:16    And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on

us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and

from the wrath of the Lamb:

   Rev 6:17    For the great day of his wrath is come;

and who shall be able to stand?

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Rev 8:5     And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire

of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices,

and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

   Rev 8:6    And the seven angels which had the seven

trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Rev 8:7     The first angel sounded, and there followed hail

and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the

third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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Rev 11:17     Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which

art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy

great power, and hast reigned.

   Rev 11:18    And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is

come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that

thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the

saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest

destroy them which destroy the earth.

   Rev 11:19    And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and

there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there

were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and

great hail.

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Rev 16:17     And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;

and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the

throne, saying, It is done.

   Rev 16:18    And there were voices, and thunders, and

lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men

were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.

   Rev 16:19    And the great city was divided into three

parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came

in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the

fierceness of his wrath.

   Rev 16:20    And every island fled away, and the
mountains were not found.

Rev 16:21     And there fell upon men a great hail out of

heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed

God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was

exceeding great.

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Zec 14:1     Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall

be divided in the midst of thee.

   Zec 14:2    For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem

to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the

women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and

the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

   Zec 14:3    Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against

those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

   Zec 14:4    And his feet shall stand in that day upon

the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the

mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and

toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of

the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the

south.

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now I'm sure Mr. cold fusion will have some arguements with this, since he can't seem to be able to read!!

[cold fusion]

At the Second Coming, Christ stands on the Mount of Olives and it splits in two, whereafter WATER FLOWS OUT OF IT. Nothing here about every island and mountain disappearing. That will have already happened at the time of the fall of Babylon and the other cities... which was immediately followed by a lot of wailing for Babylon, not anyone being upset over the Second Coming, or water flowing out of a mountain to heal the waters of the Dead Sea.. Everything in due time, Bou. This may take a bit more than a class or two in remedial reading...


Try READING Zechariah 14 (the whole chapter) instead of using "word search for dummies" to "prove" your favorite lies.

Hearing and seeing must be somewhat difficult from the vantage point of Bou's head. Good luck with that, Poo Bear. Maybe you'll find a cure some day.

[Boubear]

There is no truth in you!! I showed the truth, even unbelievers can see it! 

[Boubear]

MAP    5.3     2008/12/20 12:22:03      36.633      142.467     10.0     OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP    5.0     2008/12/20 11:29:37     -32.498      -71.914    35.0     OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
MAP    5.1     2008/12/20 10:48:24      36.586      142.390    10.0     OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP    6.5     2008/12/20 10:29:22      36.603      142.356    10.0     OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP    2.5     2008/12/20 09:22:54      61.573     -150.421    45.0     SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP    3.1     2008/12/20 07:22:41      19.081      -66.840    36.9     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    4.6     2008/12/20 07:12:05     -24.008      -66.611    172.3     JUJUY, ARGENTINA
MAP    2.5     2008/12/20 07:04:38      60.151     -152.874    100.0     SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP    2.8     2008/12/20 06:35:28      18.901      -66.688    39.3     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.1     2008/12/20 06:10:30     -31.150     -177.756    10.0     KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
MAP    3.1     2008/12/20 04:06:30      19.238      -66.505    91.3     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.5     2008/12/20 02:16:31      58.160     -155.361    2.8     ALASKA PENINSULA
MAP    3.4     2008/12/20 01:46:51      19.475      -64.177    48.9     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION

[cold fusion]

Exodus 17:5   And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.

6   Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink.

Nope... no earthquake mentioned here.


Zechariah 14:2   For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3   Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

No earthquake mentioned here either. Nobody mourning the fall of Babylon, either, as there IS in Rev. 16-18, where the armies are gathered together, but no battle is fought yet. That's because IT'S A DIFFERENT DAY, separated by the words of God being fulfilled in the interim. (Rev. 17:17)  The similarities between Exodus 17:5 and Zech. 14 are that in both cases Christ stands on the rock, water pours out both times, and there is no earthquake in either case. The events of Zech. 14 COME AFTER the events of Rev. 16-18, and AFTER the words of God have been fulfilled in accordance with Revelation 17:17 with regard to the whore of Babylon. The GREAT earthquake of Rev. 16:18 destroys the cities in one day, and Christ destroys the armies later, after His words have been fulfilled.

[zafada]

How did this turn into another Jesus thread?

Oh BTW, did I miss the earthquake?

[sociostudent]

How did this turn into another Jesus thread?

Oh BTW, did I miss the earthquake?

I don't know.

[Boubear]

Magnitude 6.0 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
2008 December 21 09:16:44 UTC

Location   36.592°N, 142.269°E
Depth   10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region   OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances   135 km (85 miles) ESE of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
160 km (100 miles) E of Mito, Honshu, Japan
205 km (125 miles) SE of Fukushima, Honshu, Japan
250 km (155 miles) ENE of TOKYO, Japan

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008awav.php

[cold fusion]

Oh BTW, did I miss the earthquake?

If you check out the relative intensities details, you'll find that you could sleep through most of them. A truck passing on the highway, blasting for a highway or in a quarry, or even dropping a rock on the ground would cause bigger tremors than most of these quakes. Anything less than a 3.5 is only detectable by seismographs. Think I'll go drop a rock and cause a panic. 

[SheepEater]

I really thought Alex Jones listeners had more brains and could think for them selves.

Do a little research and see that there is no big earthquake going on here.  The best scientists are still only guessing.  There are way too many unknown variables to make any thing more than a general prediction.  So some time in the 150 years there will be a "Big" earthquake in California.

As for the Bible quoters.  The bible teach to never question the word so science does not exist because it questions every thing.  So just go home and pray to win the lottery and I will go buy a lottery ticket and I will have a better chance of wining.

go ahead flame away.

[cold fusion]

You're the one doing the flaming, WolfMan. My thumb rule for handling wolves (since they're a "protected species" is the "3 S Rule"... Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.

With regard to the Cascadia Subduction Zone, it is highly unlikely that we will go 150 years without a MAJOR quake. Similar subduction zones in the world usually have such earthquakes every 100–200 years; the longer interval here may indicate unusually large stress buildup and subsequent unusually large earthquake slip. It has already been over 300 years since a major quake in this area. We're overdue, and WHEN (not "if") it comes, it will be CATASTROPHIC like this.

Quoting Wiki:

The Cascadia subduction zone can produce very large earthquakes, magnitude 9.0 or greater, if rupture occurs over its whole area. When the "locked" zone stores up energy for an earthquake, the "transition" zone, although somewhat plastic, can rupture. Thermal and deformation studies indicate that the locked zone is fully locked for 60 kilometers (about 40 miles) downdip from the deformation front. Further downdip, there is a transition from fully locked to aseismic sliding.

In 1999, a group of Continuous Global Positioning System sites registered a brief reversal of motion of approximately 2 centimeters (0.8 inches) over a 50 kilometer by 300 kilometer (about 30 mile by 200 mile) area. The movement was the equivalent of a 6.7 magnitude earthquake. The motion did not trigger an earthquake and was only detectable as silent, non-earthquake seismic signatures.

The last known great earthquake in the northwest was in January of 1700, the Cascadia Earthquake. Geological evidence indicates that great earthquakes may have occurred at least seven times in the last 3,500 years, suggesting a return time of 300 to 600 years. There is also evidence of accompanying tsunamis with every earthquake, and one line of evidence for these earthquakes is tsunami damage, and through Japanese records of tsunamis.

A future rupture of the Cascadia Subduction Zone would cause widespread destruction throughout the Pacific Northwest.

Other similar subduction zones in the world usually have such earthquakes every 100–200 years; the longer interval here may indicate unusually large stress buildup and subsequent unusually large earthquake slip.  Ed. note: (It has already been over 300 years, so there is probably a lot of built-up stress.)
[edit] San Andreas Quake Connection

Studies of past earthquake traces on both the northern San Andreas Fault and the southern Cascadia Subduction Zone indicate a correlation in time which may be evidence that quakes on the Cascadia Subduction Zone may have triggered most of the major quakes on the northern San Andreas during at least the past 3,000 years or so. The evidence also shows the rupture direction going from north to south in each of these time-correlated events. The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake seems to have been a major exception to this correlation, however, as it was not preceded by a major Cascadia quake, and the rupture moved mostly from south to north.

The quake mentioned in Rev. 16:18 would cause tsunamis to obliterate every coastal city in the world after they had already been reduced to rubble.

[SheepEater]

Evidence also shows that the earth has become much geologically quieter over the last several thousand years.  I understand that many people out there is hoping and dreaming for "Mad Max" to be real.  But aren't we more evolved than that.  The last big Earthquake in CA ruined a freeway and killed a few people.  Which is a big change from the previous one that burned most of the city to the ground.

Then when you through quotes in from a book of made up history it kinda invalidates you position.

[cold fusion]

The last big Earthquake in CA ruined a freeway and killed a few people.

...which proves WHAT, exactly? If it had been bigger, the area wouldn't be so much at risk NOW. Stress needs to be relieved periodically, and the more it builds up, the worse the next quake may be. The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in San Francisco WAS NOT A BIG QUAKE... only a 6.9. The strongest quakes that have been recorded are in the range of 8.9, which is about 961 times stronger in terms of energy expended.

If you had done a bit of research, you wouldn't have been so ignorant as to respond with that nonsense. BOTH of the areas that I used as examples are CERTAIN to produce catastrophies that will dwarf anything that has happened in the past. It isn't "if" but WHEN. Something HAS TO GIVE, and sooner or later, it will. Neither one is predictable, but the Cascadia Subduction Zone is over-due to produce a major shift, which will produce a tsunami. Demographics have changed considerably since the last one over 300 years ago, and this one will produce a lot of casualties and damage in areas that were formerly wilderness areas. Furthermore, evidence points to the conclusion that the next major quake in the San Andreas Fault will be TRIGGERED by a shift in the Cascadia Subduction Zone, as it has for the past 3000 years or so.

If I couldn't construct a more intelligent and informed response than what you just posted, I would just shut up.

[Dok]

from a book of made up history

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40404.msg420155#msg420155

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40404.msg420940#msg420940

[sociostudent]

6.0 off the coast of pakistan

Magnitude 6.1 - OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
2008 December 25 22:40:24 UTC

    * Details
    * Maps

Where can I find...?
Earthquake Details
Magnitude   6.1 (Preliminary magnitude — subject to revision)
Date-Time   

    * Thursday, December 25, 2008 at 22:40:24 UTC
    * Friday, December 26, 2008 at 02:40:24 AM at epicenter

Location   23.560°N, 64.580°E
Depth   4 km (2.5 miles) set by location program
Region   OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
Distances   

    * 287 km (178 miles) WSW (241°) from Karachi, Pakistan
    * 310 km (192 miles) SSE (151°) from Turbat, Pakistan
    * 436 km (271 miles) WSW (243°) from Hyderabad, Pakistan
    * 606 km (377 miles) E (89°) from MUSCAT, Oman

Location Uncertainty   Error estimate not available
Parameters   NST=016, Nph=016, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.7 sec, Gp=115°,
M-type="moment" magnitude from initial P wave (tsuboi method) (Mi), Version=A
Source   

    * NOAA Pacific Tsunami Warning Center

Event ID   pt08360004

[Boubear]

6.0 off the coast of pakistan

Magnitude 6.1 - OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
2008 December 25 22:40:24 UTC

    * Details
    * Maps

Where can I find...?
Earthquake Details
Magnitude   6.1 (Preliminary magnitude — subject to revision)
Date-Time   

    * Thursday, December 25, 2008 at 22:40:24 UTC
    * Friday, December 26, 2008 at 02:40:24 AM at epicenter

Location   23.560°N, 64.580°E
Depth   4 km (2.5 miles) set by location program
Region   OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
Distances   

    * 287 km (178 miles) WSW (241°) from Karachi, Pakistan
    * 310 km (192 miles) SSE (151°) from Turbat, Pakistan
    * 436 km (271 miles) WSW (243°) from Hyderabad, Pakistan
    * 606 km (377 miles) E (89°) from MUSCAT, Oman

Location Uncertainty   Error estimate not available
Parameters   NST=016, Nph=016, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.7 sec, Gp=115°,
M-type="moment" magnitude from initial P wave (tsuboi method) (Mi), Version=A
Source   

    * NOAA Pacific Tsunami Warning Center

Event ID   pt08360004

I just seen that!! Interesting timing!!

[Boubear]

6.0 off the coast of pakistan

Magnitude 6.1 - OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
2008 December 25 22:40:24 UTC

    * Details
    * Maps

Where can I find...?
Earthquake Details
Magnitude   6.1 (Preliminary magnitude — subject to revision)
Date-Time   

    * Thursday, December 25, 2008 at 22:40:24 UTC
    * Friday, December 26, 2008 at 02:40:24 AM at epicenter

Location   23.560°N, 64.580°E
Depth   4 km (2.5 miles) set by location program
Region   OFF THE COAST OF PAKISTAN
Distances   

    * 287 km (178 miles) WSW (241°) from Karachi, Pakistan
    * 310 km (192 miles) SSE (151°) from Turbat, Pakistan
    * 436 km (271 miles) WSW (243°) from Hyderabad, Pakistan
    * 606 km (377 miles) E (89°) from MUSCAT, Oman

Location Uncertainty   Error estimate not available
Parameters   NST=016, Nph=016, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.7 sec, Gp=115°,
M-type="moment" magnitude from initial P wave (tsuboi method) (Mi), Version=A
Source   

    * NOAA Pacific Tsunami Warning Center

Event ID   pt08360004

You should put it too, in the thread about the war there!!

[Dok]

Its the 25th.

[Boubear]

Its the 25th.

It's the 26th over there!!

Something else that is interesting, there have been no aftershocks.  When you have an earthquake like this, there is always small aftershocks.  Now there is nothing!!

[cold fusion]

Oh... guess it must have been Christ touching down on the Mount of Olives, huh? Bou is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Boubear]

Wow!! Do you believe this guy!!  Must get his little digs in all the time, he just can't stand someone who sees things differently than he does.  So every chance he gets he goes into these psychopathic episodes!!

[cold fusion]

You're the psychopath. Always flying off in a tizzy instead of providing Scripture to back up your theories, and whining about being attacked whenever anyone disagrees with your misrepresentations. Did you find that verse yet where Jesus told you to watch out for earthquakes? No? Oh, too bad. I guess God forgot to put it in the Bible. Just like He forgot to mention that the biggest earthquake in all of human history is supposedly when Christ stands on the Mount of Olives (according to Bou). That must have been in the Gospel According to Bou... one of the ones that never made the cut to be included in the Bible.  Maybe you should draw up a petition.

[Boubear]

You're the sociopath. Did you find that verse yet where Jesus told you to watch out for earthquakes?

You have nothing to teach me!! I follow God's word, unlike you who follow the words of men, why don't you go cause problems else where troll!!

[cold fusion]

That's because you are unteachable, and you never teach the true Gospel, nor do you rightly divide the word of truth. If you didn't have such a chip on your shoulder and such a self-righteous attitude, you might admit that there is nothing in a Christian's job description about watching out for earthquakes. In other words, you're pretending to be doing God's work but in fact you're NOT.

[Boubear]

What's a matter troll. You have no one else talking to you tonight, so you come in here to get attention??  Grow up!!

[cold fusion]

How about that verse? Put up or shut up, faker. Oh, there's another tremor, and Bou is hyperventilating in glee. Oh, sorry... false alarm. It was just a VW Beetle hitting a pot hole.

[Boubear]

Go away troll

The psychopath is defined by a psychological gratification in aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior and also lack a conscience.

[cold fusion]

You really shouldn't post pictures of your boyfriend on the net. Folks might take it as proof that humans carry genetic information inherited from lower life forms.

[Boubear]

LOL, now that was funny!  I see you are capable of humor somewhat!!

[Puff1]

How about that verse? Put up or shut up, faker. Oh, there's another tremor, and Bou is hyperventilating in glee. Oh, sorry... false alarm. It was just a VW Beetle hitting a pot hole.

Come on, CF.  It is significant to watch earthquake activity - Jesus talked about it.  If you don't agree (which you don't) you've stated your point already.  I pay attention to the EQ's too, even though I don't post much about them.