Earthquake Prediction (December 10-15th)

[cold fusion]

Actually, getting lots and lots of little quakes is a good thing. It relieves stress in the tectonic plates. It's when you get a lull in activity that you need to take notice. The best way to predict quakes is to observe solar activity (and HAARP activity). Earthquakes are normal activity. Since we have better and better sensors all the time, more of them get reported than there used to be. It's kind of like listening to the weather report. Current conditions are hardly ever "normal", yet it averages out pretty well.

According to Mark 13, earthquakes are not a sign that anything is imminent. However, if EVERY mountain and EVERY island is moved out of its place on one day, then you know that the Tribulation is underway.

Rev. 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13   And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14   And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


When the greatest earthquake in all of human history happens, and the islands flee away, and the mountains are not found, then you will know that Babylon is about to fall, and the Second Coming is near:
Rev. 16:18  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19   And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20   And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Dok and I plan to watch the show from the balcony seats in heaven. (Rev. 4:1)

cold fusion

[OldSchool]

 

[Boubear]

Dok and I plan to watch the show from the balcony seats in heaven. (Rev. 4:1)

Oh I know you are!! and post-tribbers aren't welcomed to your little bash are we!! 

Well good luck with that!! 

[cold fusion]

In polite society, it is considered rude to be late. Of course you were invited. You do whatever you want there, Bou. Just look for your "god' to show up somewhere between chapter 6 and 12. It'll be the catholic one who just got cast down to the Earth. I'll be following the real one when He shows up in Revelation 19.

[Boubear]

In polite society, it is considered rude to be late. Of course you were invited. You do whatever you want there, Bou. Just look for your "god' to show up somewhere between chapter 6 and 12. It'll be the catholic one who just got cast down to the Earth. I'll be following the real one when He shows up in Revelation 19.

you have just proved my point about pre-tribbers thank you!!!

[cueball7]

If I'm not mistaken, the 10th to the 15th of December is the compacted date set for the twin earthquakes. The broad range prediction was for about December 5th to the middle of January. So we'll see if its an accurate prediction. Have to give HPH props for predicting the major quake in China earlier this year. They were within 2 days of the compacted date.

[OldSchool]

If I'm not mistaken, the 10th to the 15th of December is the compacted date set for the twin earthquakes. The broad range prediction was for about December 5th to the middle of January. So we'll see if its an accurate prediction. Have to give HPH props for predicting the major quake in China earlier this year. They were within 2 days of the compacted date.

I'm kinda interested in seeing what they predict when this Supermoon is at its farthest point of orbit from the earth.

[cold fusion]

Hey, Bou... y'all be sure to let me know if you find that verse about "keeping watch of earthquakes in various places like Jesus told us too" in Mark 13. It must have come out of the Bible, because it sure isn't in there! Your nose looks a little out of joint, so you might try straightening it.

[Boubear]

You are one of the worst Christian I have ever met!!  The only thing you want to do is fight with everyone!!  Such a great Christian spirit you have!!

[Boubear]

Update time = Wed Dec 17 12:32:20 UTC 2008

 
MAP    5.9     2008/12/17 10:56:00     -17.789     -178.393    529.7     FIJI REGION
MAP    4.7     2008/12/17 10:10:55      20.663      145.113    63.4     MAUG ISLANDS REG., NORTHERN MARIANA ISL.
MAP    5.0     2008/12/17 08:10:00      -7.244      147.767    58.1     EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP    2.5     2008/12/17 07:44:20      61.923     -149.789    5.7     SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP    2.7     2008/12/17 07:11:04      36.586     -121.184    5.1     CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
MAP    2.7     2008/12/17 06:57:43      18.665      -65.040    7.7     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    2.7     2008/12/17 06:35:52      18.465      -67.009    31.9     PUERTO RICO
MAP    3.4     2008/12/17 06:02:43      19.473      -66.377    70.5     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.3     2008/12/17 05:36:29      18.940      -66.246    64.5     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.8     2008/12/17 04:25:27      18.038      -65.385    13.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.3     2008/12/17 04:22:38      19.435      -66.326    44.0     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.2     2008/12/17 04:17:03      18.990      -66.236    45.5     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    4.4     2008/12/17 04:15:25      51.199     -177.429    11.6     ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS., ALASKA
MAP    3.4     2008/12/17 03:54:21      19.044      -66.297    35.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.4     2008/12/17 03:32:40      19.501      -66.177    45.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.8     2008/12/17 03:07:15      17.987      -65.193    11.9     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    3.0     2008/12/17 01:45:35      18.846      -67.478    17.1     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    4.3     2008/12/17 01:27:22      43.038     -126.483    10.0     OFF THE COAST OF OREGON
MAP    3.2     2008/12/17 01:19:08      19.554      -66.330    44.7     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    2.8     2008/12/17 01:13:51      61.588     -149.759    15.0     SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP    2.8     2008/12/17 00:40:19      18.091      -66.208    12.6     PUERTO RICO

[cold fusion]

You need to straighten your nose, and you're still lying about what Jesus said, Bou. Yes, lying is such a virtuous manifestation of the Spirit, right? It seems to be habitual with you. You have been caught lying about what the Bible says many times, and you have never yet admitted it. That would qualify as deliberate deception, pathological chronic lying, and arrogant pride. An accidental, occasional lapse in accuracy and precision of communication through ignorance is not what Jesus was talking about in Revelation 21:8. That's some really fine company you're in, Bou.

You will find the parallel references in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. In every instance, the instructions are in the context of Jews LIVING IN ISRAEL, not Gentile Christians living elsewhere in the world. In every instance, the text says CLEARLY that earthquakes will not be the definitive sign to look for. There have ALWAYS been earthquakes, and any Bible-believer who can READ will understand that saying the end of the world or the Second coming is imminent every time there are a bunch of earthquakes is silly, ignorant, and does NOTHING to promote the fact that the Bible is an accurate road map to the future. There have been millions of earthquakes all over the world since the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke were written. There are only TWO earthquakes that will be of prophetic significance in the future, and neither of them fits the description of anything that has EVER HAPPENED YET in all of human history. There are other prophecies which must come to pass before EITHER of these two quakes happens, and there will be no rewards handed out for "keeping watch of earthquakes in various places like Jesus told us too"... that is unless "us" refers to some special group who received some special private revelation from some other "Jesus" that the rest of the world did not receive through the Bible. 

My quarrel is with liars who misrepresent what the Bible says. Tell the story straight, Bou, and we will have no problem. Your continual assertions that you "only go by what the Bible says" are laughable. You may want to take that into consideration when you're continually calling me a bad Christian for pointing out your falsehoods. Paul withstood Peter TO THE FACE PUBLICLY because he was to be blamed.

[Boubear]

Go away troll, you are just trolling this topic, you have no interest in it!!

[ConcordeWarrior]

cold fusion: There are hundreds of Bible forums on the internet.
Why don't you post on these forums?
You have lots to choose from.
Earthquakes have nothing to do with the Bible.

[cold fusion]

You call me a troll, Bou and accuse me of only wanting to "fight with everyone". My quarrel is with people who claim to "only believe what the bible says" while misrepresenting what it says. Tell the story straight, Bou, and we won't have a problem.

So, "Chicken Little", I'm publicly blaming you for disseminating false warnings of impending doom. You're drawing attention to things which are not what you claim they are. In short, you are a liar. Call me a troll if that's the only argument you can come up with. Whatever blows your skirt up.


"The Richter magnitude scale was developed in 1935 by Charles F. Richter of the California Institute of Technology as a mathematical device to compare the size of earthquakes. The magnitude of an earthquake is determined from the logarithm of the amplitude of waves recorded by seismographs. Adjustments are included in the magnitude formula to compensate for the variation in the distance between the various seismographs and the epicenter of the earthquakes. On the Richter Scale, magnitude is expressed in whole numbers and decimal fractions. For example, a magnitude of 5.3 might be computed for a moderate earthquake, and a strong earthquake might be rated as magnitude 6.3. Because of the logarithmic basis of the scale, each whole number increase in magnitude represents a tenfold increase in measured amplitude; as an estimate of energy, each whole number step in the magnitude scale corresponds to the release of about 31 times more energy than the amount associated with the preceding whole number value.
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Earthquakes with magnitude of about 2.0 or less are usually called microearthquakes; they are not commonly felt by people and are generally recorded only on local seismographs. Events with magnitudes of about 4.5 or greater--there are several thousand such shocks annually--are strong enough to be recorded by sensitive seismographs all over the world.[/color] Great earthquakes, such as the 1964 Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, have magnitudes of 8.0 or higher. On the average, one earthquake of such size occurs somewhere in the world each year. Although the Richter Scale has no upper limit, the largest known shocks have had magnitudes in the 8.8 to 8.9 range.

There are several thousand quakes every year with magnitudes of 4.5 or greater, which is more than 6 per day. A 4.5 quake is 961 times WEAKER than a 6.5 quake. Ho-hum.
The only quake on your chart that even amounts to a "blip on the radar screen" is the 5.9 quake, which is not even a strong quake. Do the math. Better yet, read the Book, Bou.

[Boubear]

I don't care about what you think, don't you get that???  Go away!!! 

Don't watch for the signs of the Lord like he told us, that's fine by me, I know you expect to be wisked away, so you have nothing to watch for.

I'm sure you think I'm a liar, because I don't agree with your theory, in which you seem to take great offense to if people don't believe the same way you do.

BUT I DON"T CARE WHAT COLD FUSION THINKS!!

[cold fusion]

BUT I DON"T CARE WHAT COLD FUSION THINKS!!

No problem there. I don't care what you think either. BTW, did you find that verse yet? I only care that you are a habitual, chronic pathological liar masquerading on these boards as a christian. See ya! Good luck with your nose job. I won't trouble you with the facts about earthquakes any more, Chicken Little. I can see you have your little circus side show going here. Good luck with that, too. I need to go watch some paint dry.

You're such a boorish person.  (Look it up... maybe it'll bend your nose in the other direction.)

[Boubear]

No problem there. I don't care what you think either. BTW, did you find that verse yet? I only care that you are a habitual, chronic pathological liar masquerading on these boards as a christian. See ya! Good luck with your nose job. I won't trouble you with the facts about earthquakes any more, Chicken Little. I can see you have your little circus side show going here. Good luck with that, too. I need to go watch some paint dry.

You're such a boorish person.  (Look it up... maybe it'll bend your nose in the other direction.)

Haha!! Funny!! 

You are not Christian, you don't have the Christian spirit.  All you can do is insult people all the time!! 

Don't be surprise if you're left behind!! Hahaha!!

[cold fusion]

You are not Christian, you don't have the Christian spirit.

Right back at ya. What sort of spirit lies about the book and puts their own opinion above what the Book clearly says? Still waiting for that verse...

[Boubear]

And you'll wait a long time, because I don't have to prove anything to you!! Go read the Bible yourself, it seems that your theory is clouding your ability to read!!

[cold fusion]

That would be Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. I scored above the 99th percentile in my achievement tests. How about you?

[Boubear]

Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. I scored above the 99th percentile in my achievement tests.

Yeah!!! OK!! 

[Q]

I think Jesus would be fascinated by this thread - the scientific stuff that is - not the self-righteous megalomania (might remind him of the Pharisees perhaps?).

[cold fusion]

Here's some science for ya. A magnitude of 5.3 might be computed for a moderate earthquake, and a strong earthquake might be rated as magnitude 6.3. Because of the logarithmic basis of the scale, each whole number increase in magnitude represents a tenfold increase in measured amplitude; as an estimate of energy, each whole number step in the magnitude scale corresponds to the release of about 31 times more energy than the amount associated with the preceding whole number value.

So... a 4.5 quake is barely a "ripple in the pond", 31 times weaker than a 5.5 moderate quake. A strong quake is about 31 times stronger than a 5.5, or 931 times stronger than a 4.5. There are thousands of 4.5 quakes annually, or over 4 million of them in the past 2000 years as a conservative estimate, in addition to trillions of weaker quakes. That's why Jesus instructed his disciples not to be dismayed when they observed earthquakes. There were five "great earthquakes" mentioned in the Bible. Scientists classify a great earthquake as 8.0 or greater, or more than 931 times stronger than the strongest quake listed on the chart posted by Bou. There is no upper limit on the log scale for earthquakes, although the strongest quakes ever recorded were  in the 8.8 to 8.9 range... nearly 30,000 times stronger than the strongest quake listed in Bou's chart. The Bible says that the final quake in the Book of Revelation will eclipse all past quakes in intensity and devastation.

The five great earthquakes listed in the Bible are:
1. when the stone was rolled away from the tomb in Matt. 28:2
2. when Paul and Silas were freed from prison in Acts 16:26
3. when Death arrives riding a pale horse in Rev. 6:12
4. when the two witnesses who have been dead for 3 1/3 days come back to life and ascend to Heaven in Rev. 11:13
5. last of all, eclipsing all earthquakes in the history of the world is a great earthquake "such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great" when Babylon falls in Rev.16:18 and " every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21   And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

This final one is the only one that is a sign that the Second Coming is imminent. None of the last three has to happen before the Rapture of the Church described in 1 Thess. 4:16. It is ridiculous to place this Rapture verse at the end of the Tribulation, because the whole world will be dreading Christ's appearance at the Second Coming, fully cognizant of his impending arrival at that time (after #5 above) and it is ridiculous to place it at the end of the Millennium, because Christ will have already been on the earth for 1000 years at that point.

The quakes that have happened over the past 2000 years didn't signify the Second Coming, and neither do the ones that are happening now. When #3 happens in the list above, the fullness of the gentile church will have already come, the church age will have closed with the Rapture of the Gentile Bride, and God will have turned to dealing with "Jacob", to save a remnant with which to fulfill his promise to Abraham in Genesis 22:17, where God redefined the "Seed" as plural. It was singular in Genesis 15:5 according to Galatians 3:16. You can learn more from Jewish wedding traditions than from earthquake charts.

[Boubear]

Update time = Thu Dec 18 20:00:01 UTC 2008

     MAG    UTC DATE-TIME
y/m/d h:m:s    LAT
deg    LON
deg    DEPTH
km     Region
MAP    5.1     2008/12/18 17:13:48      18.626      -69.370    106.3     DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
MAP    2.8     2008/12/18 16:09:33      57.449     -154.192    10.8     KODIAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA
MAP    5.5     2008/12/18 15:50:16      2.357      127.193    95.6     MOLUCCA SEA
MAP    2.5     2008/12/18 12:51:15      63.803     -148.748    100.0     CENTRAL ALASKA
MAP    2.6     2008/12/18 12:05:07      18.024      -66.150    8.6     PUERTO RICO
MAP    3.3     2008/12/18 08:33:54      19.214      -64.688    44.3     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    3.1     2008/12/18 08:13:26      19.395      -65.074    73.8     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    5.3     2008/12/18 06:47:11      38.421      143.011    14.5     OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP    3.1     2008/12/18 06:26:29      19.060      -64.861    6.0     VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION
MAP    4.9     2008/12/18 06:22:19      -6.948      156.668    135.2     SOLOMON ISLANDS
MAP    4.9     2008/12/18 03:46:03      19.079      145.439    173.1     MAUG ISLANDS REG., NORTHERN MARIANA ISL.
MAP    3.2     2008/12/18 03:38:17      19.009      -65.173    30.3     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    5.3     2008/12/18 03:20:05     -16.999      168.596    258.5     VANUATU
MAP    3.2     2008/12/18 03:06:32      18.956      -65.242    8.1     PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP    4.5     2008/12/18 03:03:34      1.300      122.170    35.0     MINAHASA, SULAWESI, INDONESIA
MAP    2.6     2008/12/18 02:53:43      19.433     -155.264    1.9     ISLAND OF HAWAII, HAWAII
MAP    2.6     2008/12/18 02:20:53      34.806     -116.416    4.0     SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP    4.2     2008/12/18 02:04:44      17.150      -97.650    68.5     OAXACA, MEXICO
MAP    2.9     2008/12/18 01:50:12      57.184     -152.507    35.1     KODIAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA
MAP    3.7     2008/12/18 00:35:41      56.413     -153.857    30.4     KODIAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA
MAP    2.9     2008/12/18 00:05:07      36.050      -83.591    10.1     EASTERN TENNESSEE

[Puff1]

cf, earthquakes in diverse places are a sign of the approaching end of the age, that's why Jesus mentioned them.  The final great earthquake preceeds the day of the Lord.

[SheepEater]

First:  Why doe any one believe that because some one worked for Microsoft they know anything about writing quality software.  Every one knows every thing out of Microsoft either sucks or was stolen from Linux.

If you have not been watching earthquakes for many years one would think that oh the world is going to crumble to dust.  Earthquakes come in cycles that tend to peek when the moon is close.  So the number of quakes are up but not that much more than usual.  Here I will prove it.  Next week central California will have a 2.0 earthquake or bigger next week.  Earth quakes are not all that uncommon so just chill.

[OldSchool]

First:  Why doe any one believe that because some one worked for Microsoft they know anything about writing quality software.  Every one knows every thing out of Microsoft either sucks or was stolen from Linux.

Let's not forget that Mr Gates stole the GUI from Apple when he quit Microsoft also steals software and buys it out in court. Microsoft IS SkyNet (Antitrust movie)

[Boubear]

Magnitude 6.3 - OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
2008 December 18 21:19:31 UTC

Location   32.416°S, 71.533°W
Depth   35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region   OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
Distances   70 km (45 miles) N of Valparaiso, Chile
95 km (60 miles) SSW of Illapel, Chile
140 km (85 miles) NW of SANTIAGO, Chile
205 km (130 miles) NNW of Rancagua, Chile

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008atb1.php

[Boubear]

Magnitude 5.8 - OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
2008 December 18 21:50:28 UTC

Location   32.484°S, 71.670°W
Depth   10.6 km (6.6 miles) (poorly constrained)
Region   OFFSHORE VALPARAISO, CHILE
Distances   65 km (40 miles) N of Valparaiso, Chile
105 km (65 miles) SSW of Illapel, Chile
140 km (90 miles) NW of SANTIAGO, Chile
205 km (130 miles) NNW of Rancagua, Chile

[OldSchool]

Wow, back to back biggies. I read on one of the prophecy pages that the /major quakes' they speak of would be from like 9-15 on the richter scale. That's gonna be massive! And it was noted there that it would be in the pacific somewhere. Probably the pacific plate.

[Boubear]

That would be big indeed.  As there ever been such a great earthquake??

[cold fusion]

Re:

Wow, back to back biggies. I read on one of the prophecy pages that the /major quakes' they speak of would be from like 9-15 on the richter scale. That's gonna be massive!

The strongest quakes ever recorded were 8.8 to 8.9 on the scale. A 13 quake would be 923,521 times more powerful than that, and a 15 quake would be 961 times more powerful than a 13. 
The strongest quake listed in the most recent list is four orders of magnitude (more than 10,000 times) WEAKER than the strongest quakes recorded so far.  (Yawn!)

cf, earthquakes in diverse places are a sign of the approaching end of the age, that's why Jesus mentioned them.

Re: Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21
I searched two Bible reader programs, and "the end of the age" doesn't show up in either of them. You may find it in corrupt modern versions.
First of all, let's define the terms. The Tribulation precedes the Second Coming, and the end of the world (this earth) is 1000 years after the Second Coming. That will be relevant as we go along here. The context here is a Jewish remnant of believers who have just been with Jesus looking at the Temple, and heard Jesus say "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

The disciples then come to Jesus privately on the Mount of Olives and ask Him THREE QUESTIONS, not one question. Jesus' answer will encompass three thousand years of time, and it runs all the way through chapter 24 to the end of chapter 25. The wording of the questions is: "(a.) Tell us, when shall these things be? (b.) and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and (c.) of the end of the world?"

"These things" refers to the Temple being thrown down (part "a" of the question), part "b" will address the sign of the Second Coming, and part "c" will address the sign of the end of the world.

Taking Matthew 24 as an example, the Scripture says: 
4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5   For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6   And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7   For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8   All these are the beginning of sorrows.

All of the things described so far, including earthquakes, are merely "the beginning of sorrows", not signs of the Second Coming or the end of the world. The Temple was thrown down during the disciples' lifetimes, and was not a sign of the Second Coming or a sign of the end of the world a thousand years later. That used to REALLY BOTHER ME. Some pertinent details to notice are:
1. Jesus never did say when the Temple would be thrown down, which may indicate a "dual fulfillment".
2. God stopped the clock on Israel at the stoning of Stephen and set Israel aside, more than 30 years before the Temple was destroyed, raising the possibility of the prophecy being fulfilled at a much later date and involving a different group of people, as described in Zechariah 14. It is THAT GENERATION OF THE JEWISH REMNANT to whom Christ is referring in verses 33 and 34. He wasn't lying in verse 34 when He said that the men He was speaking to would "see all these things"... but they will not be in their earthly bodies when they see them, although they could have been if Israel had turned to Christ 1975 years ago.  (God has a monkey wrench to fit any nut.) I don't know whether there will be a future re-run of the destruction of a Jewish Temple or not.
3. Everything after verse 8 covers events that must come to pass AFTER THE THINGS THAT WERE DESCRIBED AS THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS. To my mind, the beginning of sorrows brackets  over 1975 years of church history preceding the Tribulation, which is called the Time of Jacob's Trouble. When God says "trouble", He means that this will be unlike anything that has ever happened before in all of human history.

Verses 23-30 MAKE IT CLEAR:
1.  that nobody will be hiding in the wilderness just safely chillin' with "Jesus" unless it's the wrong "Jesus" and
2.  that the Second Coming will be immediately preceded by a great sign and will be no surprise to the tribes of the earth:

23   Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24   For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25   Behold, I have told you before.

 "29   Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Verses 35 and 36 are speaking of the end of the world, not the Second Coming, addressing part "c" of the disciples' question:  "35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36   But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
37   But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Verse 37 refers back to the Second Coming, and is NOT speaking of the end of the world, but of the judgment of the nations at the Second Coming. The tribes of the earth will KNOW HE IS COMING (verses 23-30, above), AND WILL SEE HIM COMING, but it will be too late, just as it was in the days of Noah when God shut the door, the sky suddenly turned black, lightning split the heavens, and judgment fell. Noah preached for over a hundred years. The two witnesses will preach for 3 1/2, and when they rise from the dead, there will be a quake that dwarfs anything the world has ever experienced. THIS will accompany the fall of Babylon and of the world's cities, and will precede the Second Coming. (Rev. 16:18) How could it be a surprise after all of THAT?

Rev. 16: 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19   And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20   And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21   And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The Rapture, on the other hand, will come without warning and will be over in the twinkling of an eye, not preceded by any earth-shaking events. There will be a whole lot o' shakin' goin' on after that!

[Puff1]

That's why I used the word approaching. 

Jesus was answering the question "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" in verse 3.  The meaning is very clear, but thanks for attempting to explain it to me.  :-)

[Boubear]

The Rapture, on the other hand, will come without warning and will be over in the twinkling of an eye, not preceded by any earth-shaking events. There will be a whole lot o' shakin' goin' on after that!

Yeah!! Nice theory there.  Do preach it somewhere else, this is an earthquake thread!!

Mar 13:8     For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows.

Luk 21:11      And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luk 21:28     And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

[Q]

The Rapture, on the other hand, will come without warning and will be over in the twinkling of an eye, not preceded by any earth-shaking events. There will be a whole lot o' shakin' goin' on after that!

Reference?

[cold fusion]

That's why I used the word approaching.

Jesus was answering the question "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" in verse 3.  The meaning is very clear, but thanks for attempting to explain it to me.  :-)

So it has been approaching for 1975 years? The question had to do with "when do we know it is HERE?" He didn't answer anything in verse 3. He went on talking for two whole chapters, covering the questions that were asked.

"The Rapture, on the other hand, will come without warning and will be over in the twinkling of an eye, not preceded by any earth-shaking events. There will be a whole lot o' shakin' goin' on after that!"

Reference?

1 Corinthians 15:50   Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51   Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53   For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54   So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55   O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56   The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57   But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Everyone who rises with Christ in the Rapture will be immortal, and will not bear children during the Millennium or in eternity after the White Throne Judgment. We will be perfect, immortal, and sinless like Christ. The children of Abraham who have the faith of Abraham and make it through the Tribulation alive will multiply during the Millennium and in the New Earth and New Heaven and become as many as the stars of heaven and as the sand by the sea shore in multitude.

This world is not my home, I'm just a-passin' through!

[Boubear]

That's not talking about the rapture, it's talking about our flesh being changed from corruptable to incorruptable, our bodies will be changed.  No rapture mentioned here!! Sorry!!

[cold fusion]

Not a rapture? Then what is it? Corruption cannot inherit incorruption. We will be immortal and incorruptible. You have a better word? Would you prefer the Greek word for it? I happen to prefer English. There will be both immortal and mortal people on the earth during the Millennium. Only the mortals will bear children. For more details, see Zechariah 14. The Rapture is part of the mystery of Christ and the Church, HIS BODY. We shall be like Him. Not just a cheap immitation, but the spittin' image of Him. The immortal group leave the Earth at the Rapture, are judged and rewarded at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven and return from Heaven with Christ for the Wedding Feast at the Second Coming. The nations are judged ON THE EARTH after the second coming. Why would Christ call His people out of the world at the second coming, separating them from the world and giving them immortal bodies, and then sit down and separate them again at the judgment of the nations? Makes no sense. The simple truth is that the Judgment Seat of Christ is in Heaven after the trumpet calls us up to be forever with Christ (Rev. 4:1) and we are not judged with the mortals on earth after the Second Coming or a thousand years later at the Great White Throne.

You got a better word for it Bou? The word means "caught away suddenly".
Paul said that he was disclosing a secret. ( the Greek phrase for “tell you a mystery” means to reveal a secret.)  The secret was that some would not die, but be taken alive into the Lord’s presence following an instantaneous transformation. The rapture happens fast. In one instant we’re walking on Earth and in the very next, we’re in the Kingdom. Don’t try to use the trumpet reference in verse 52 to pin the timing down. There are several “Last Trumpets” in the Bible and Jewish tradition.  For example, some theologians say there are two trumpets of God that recall the two horns of the ram caught in the thicket when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac. They call the Trumpet of Exodus 19:16 the left one, or First Trump, and say that God will call the Israelites back to the Land in the End Times by blowing the right one, or the Last Trump.

But to me his verse just means it’s the last trumpet we’ll hear before we’re changed. Since both the Corinthian passage and the one from Thessalonians describe the same things, it’s safe to assume that this trumpet is the same one mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:16 and is not pointing us toward any other event. So these two references both say that one generation of humans won’t die but will be suddenly changed from our earthly form to our heavenly one.

There are several opinions concerning this so-called last trump.

Some believe it’s the 7th trumpet of Revelation 11:15 and following. If so this would put the rapture just at the door of the Great Tribulation, which begins with Satan being cast out of Heaven to torment believers (Rev. 12) and the anti Christ ascending to power on Earth (Rev. 13). Both these events have a 3 1/2 year duration.

This is actually where the Mid-Trib and pre-wrath rapture folks place the rapture, pre-wrath believers because they say the bowl judgments announced by the 7th trumpet constitute the wrath of God.

I’ve never been able to understand how some post-tribbers believe that the 7th trumpet is at end of the Great Tribulation. But aside from all that, the 7th trumpet is never called the Last Trump in Revelation or anywhere else in the Bible.

But there is an event called the Last Trump, and that brings me to the 2nd opinion. It closes the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) leading some to believe that the Rapture fulfills that Jewish Feast.

The third opinion, one that I share, is that the Last Trump is the one time the church will hear a trumpet call while on Earth. It’s mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:16 and is called the Trumpet call of God.

The Trumpet of God only appears twice in the Bible. The first one is in Exodus 19 at Mt. Sinai and the last one is in 1 Thes. 4. Both are accompanied by the audible voice of God and both create a Kingdom. At Mt. Sinai the Israelites were redeemed from slavery, at the Rapture we’re redeemed from sin. They were consecrated, we’re perfected. They washed their clothes, we’re given clean clothes. God came to the Mt. top, Jesus comes to the air. At Mt. Sinai Moses and Aaron went up, at the rapture we go up. At Mt. Sinai Israel was wed to God. At the Rapture the Church is wed to Jesus. At Mt. Sinai God dwelt with Israel and at the rapture the Church dwells with Jesus.

Since many Biblical models are necessarily incomplete, there are also some obvious differences. Only Moses and Aaron could ascend the mountain. Anyone else going up passed from life to death. At the rapture we all go up and everyone passes from death to life. God promised to dwell with Israel if they obeyed. We will dwell with Jesus because He obeyed. They changed themselves temporarily, He changes us permanently. Theirs was an event accompanied by great fear, ours is an event anticipated with great joy. After all Mt. Sinai was the presentation of God’s Law, and the Rapture is the manifestation of His grace.

[IronCrown]

That would be big indeed.  As there ever been such a great earthquake??

Hi all - I've been watching this thread and it is actually the reason I joined this forum.  Let me get started by saying that I've read enough of Cold Fusion's messages to say I no longer read them and will not reply to them.  Period.

In response to Boubear's question about there having ever been a quake this large see this link.  Note the frequency of these ruptures, the size, and most importantly the location:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone

The Pacific Northwest is notorious for quakes in the winter, and this seam is ready to pop.  The scary thing is there are links to the San Andreas fault which runs through California.  Kinda trippy.  I'm really keeping my eyes peeled for this one.

Good thoughts to all,
IC

[Boubear]

Hi all - I've been watching this thread and it is actually the reason I joined this forum.  Let me get started by saying that I've read enough of Cold Fusion's messages to say I no longer read them and will not reply to them.  Period.

In response to Boubear's question about there having ever been a quake this large see this link.  Note the frequency of these ruptures, the size, and most importantly the location:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone

The Pacific Northwest is notorious for quakes in the winter, and this seam is ready to pop.  The scary thing is there are links to the San Andreas fault which runs through California.  Kinda trippy.  I'm really keeping my eyes peeled for this one.

Good thoughts to all,
IC

Thank you for the link IronCrown and welcome to the board!!