Earthquake Prediction (December 10-15th)

[nofakenews]

I have no idea!! Im just messing

Im game!

sǝʞɐnbɥʇɹɐǝ ǝɥʇ ɟo ɹɐǝʎ ǝɥʇ ǝq 11ıʍ sıɥʇ

[shirteesdotnet]

sǝʞɐnbɥʇɹɐǝ ǝɥʇ ɟo ɹɐǝʎ ǝɥʇ ǝq 11ıʍ sıɥʇ

Next thing you know someone is going to press the buzzer and the screen will shake. Oh wait, I get it. Thats readable after a pole shift.

[sociostudent]

They are in fact, mathematical lollipops

They look yummy! Are they aspartame-free? 

[OldSchool]

They look yummy! Are they aspartame-free? 

Yes mam, they're 100% unbleached sugar with eco friendly sticks

How's Equake lookin so far? I have too much stuff installed already and can't fit no more progs in  lol

[sociostudent]

last one M3.0, Fox Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska a few hrs. ago

[OldSchool]

last one M3.0, Fox Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska a few hrs. ago

 I was reading a list of earthquake activity for the last week on a site (I don't remember which one) and I found it ironic that 90% of the quakes they showed were all between 3.0-3.9M, regardless of depth (varied from 2-250 miles deep). And most of them quakes were between 3.0-3.4 . I just find it an odd pattern 

[sociostudent]

Another 3.3 in the Virgin Islands

[Boubear]

You will find that Alaska gets many small earthquakes and also the virgin Islands.  California also shows up many times.  I have had the e-quake on my firefox for over 2 years, you will get to know which areas get hit a lot from earthquakes.  Australia is another one!!

[sociostudent]

Yeah, I'm kinda noticing that. It's just constantly rumbling there. I'll wait for at least a 5-pointer before the next one, or multiple eq's at once

[NWOSCUM]

The "ring of fire" around the Pacific rim is always a hot bed of activity.

[OldSchool]

The "ring of fire" around the Pacific rim is always a hot bed of activity.

I think that area is floating on a giant pool of magma. Although every plate floats on magma, I think this ring is a brittle and worn area where magma serves both as a lubricant and a catalyst (much like a lid on a boiling pot of water).

[OldSchool]

Too bad this topic isn't a sticky. It's got most of em beat already as far as reads AND posts.

[Watcher@Alba]

Wow  

It's fine OldSchool, time is relative   I'm sorry I was late too  

I always thought people like Einstein glowed, thats when things are done right, if a light bulb is not put together right it wont glow, when done right it will glow, then it is good  

I think energy comes back and back and is infinite, just like a plant, the next generation will be good unless the right conditions are not there, or through bad genetics   I always thought I'd meet more people like Einstein someday, i'm sure I have many times but maybe just a younger version.. But now looking at this thread, Einstein might be here, a couple of them, as the text Shirteesdotnet wrote looked very advanced  

I have got the link of what I think holds a lot of truth from people that understood the cosmic things pretty good.. I think many did at one time, though certain tribes have still stayed strong and there history is saved.. I'm still searching for mine.. But I think the Mayans know a good bit and I think lots of them are coming here, somehow  .. I know it sounds crazy, but I see a lot of things in films/art etc that I'm attracted to like a magnet   Everyone is I'm sure..

But the ancient "temples" everywhere and what OldSchool said on the energy grid and shapes I think are connected... I like the matrix but I'm going to have to watch it a few times to see what I like about it, same with the highlander films, I watched it once and seen Sean connery in it, I like him   He was good in James Bond, but the kids stuff is great, things like Harry Potter  :  Pink floyd are cool too, many signs and good things are everywhere, I think thats positive and negative working together, to keep balance  

What sort of energy would create the clouds over the volcanos?  I do think sometimes and ask myself just how old time actulay is   are we young with more wiser people everywhere? I think Einstien talked of many things about parralel things and other dimensions too, I get lost though   To many big words and long theorys, I like the simple things, or maybe i just like to grow good food and plants and relax, everones different, but good and special, but I want to learn about everything and find out the truth about space. Wouldn't it be cool to be in the star wars films, I wouldn't fight as too much fighting has been done, I'd talk to Yoda all day, I bet he has some nice herbs  

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2062555/Mayan-Prophecies-and-Calendar I think this is very interesting to read, I would never say one thing is true, as I do not know myself, but I think these things link to other things and the bright people here might be able to link it to a science, or facts.. People need facts these days as soo many facts have been enforced through old brainwashing tricks with new tools..  

I hope that was not another riddle  

Peace  

 

[Q]

As for polar flips, it would seem logical that the event be precipitated by a magnetic stimulus since it would be affecting a magnetic field. The obvious source of such a stimulus that would have the required power is the Sun.

The Sun experiences violent geomagnetic storms that play havoc with our magnetic field, but our magnetic field does not usually flip. These geomagnetic storms are most frequent and most intense at solar maximums. In the next few years (2011-2012) we are coming into a solar max - many (at NASA and other boffins) believe it will be a "supermax" - a periodic state where the Sun's activity can vastly exceed that of a normal solar max. The sun will also pole-shift itself at that time (this is a very regular occurence).

It's a fair assumption I think that the ability of the Earth's field to withstand solar geomagnetic storms is proportional to its own field strength. The Earth's magnetic field has been on the decline for centuries and is at around 5% of it estimated value of 2K years ago, and has been measured to have declined by half in the last few hundred years.

So if it is the case that a violent geomagnetic solar storm could hit the Earth and "short out" and/or reverse the Earth's field (high voltage arcing can do this to a laboratory created magnetic field), the conditions both here and the Sun have never been more "favourable" than in the next solar maximum. Additionally, with the Sun itself undergoing a pole shift the Earth's historically weak field may tend to follow, particularly under assault from geomagnetic ejections.

This is scientific speculation - nothing to do with the Maya or New Age, although the Maya may well have had advanced methods of Sun observation and prediction.

[OldSchool]

As for polar flips, it would seem logical that the event be precipitated by a magnetic stimulus since it would be affecting a magnetic field. The obvious source of such a stimulus that would have the required power is the Sun.

The Sun experiences violent geomagnetic storms that play havoc with our magnetic field, but our magnetic field does not usually flip. These geomagnetic storms are most frequent and most intense at solar maximums. In the next few years (2011-2012) we are coming into a solar max - many (at NASA and other boffins) believe it will be a "supermax" - a periodic state where the Sun's activity can vastly exceed that of a normal solar max. The sun will also pole-shift itself at that time (this is a very regular occurence).

It's a fair assumption I think that the ability of the Earth's field to withstand solar geomagnetic storms is proportional to its own field strength. The Earth's magnetic field has been on the decline for centuries and is at around 5% of it estimated value of 2K years ago, and has been measured to have declined by half in the last few hundred years.

So if it is the case that a violent geomagnetic solar storm could hit the Earth and "short out" and/or reverse the Earth's field (high voltage arcing can do this to a laboratory created magnetic field), the conditions both here and the Sun have never been more "favourable" than in the next solar maximum. Additionally, with the Sun itself undergoing a pole shift the Earth's historically weak field may tend to follow, particularly under assault from geomagnetic ejections.

This is scientific speculation - nothing to do with the Maya or New Age, although the Maya may well have had advanced methods of Sun observation and prediction.

 I agree with ya. The sun had a polar flip somewhere around 8 or 10 years ago, and they say it has a magnetic flip every 11 years. We are nearing that transition again, with the presence of less solar activity. I agree with you in the fact that earth will tend to follow that paradigm sine it only seems logical that the poles match that of the sun. With solar activity slowing, and the marked decrease in magnetivity and electron response in recent history here, it is most likely an indication of things to come.
 In the last 100 years, magnetic north has migrated downward and is now at the edges of northern Canada (deviated by about 200 miles so far), and they foresee it accelerating. I tend to see this event as a magnetic polar shift versus a planetary rotation. This occurrence could possibly affect the planetary alignment, but with lunar and Planet X influence, our geothermal properties will begin to shift with it.
 I guess we really won't know until after it happens

[OldSchool]

Wow  

It's fine OldSchool, time is relative   I'm sorry I was late too  

I always thought people like Einstein glowed, thats when things are done right, if a light bulb is not put together right it wont glow, when done right it will glow, then it is good  

I think energy comes back and back and is infinite, just like a plant, the next generation will be good unless the right conditions are not there, or through bad genetics   I always thought I'd meet more people like Einstein someday, i'm sure I have many times but maybe just a younger version.. But now looking at this thread, Einstein might be here, a couple of them, as the text Shirteesdotnet wrote looked very advanced  

I have got the link of what I think holds a lot of truth from people that understood the cosmic things pretty good.. I think many did at one time, though certain tribes have still stayed strong and there history is saved.. I'm still searching for mine.. But I think the Mayans know a good bit and I think lots of them are coming here, somehow  .. I know it sounds crazy, but I see a lot of things in films/art etc that I'm attracted to like a magnet   Everyone is I'm sure..

But the ancient "temples" everywhere and what OldSchool said on the energy grid and shapes I think are connected... I like the matrix but I'm going to have to watch it a few times to see what I like about it, same with the highlander films, I watched it once and seen Sean connery in it, I like him   He was good in James Bond, but the kids stuff is great, things like Harry Potter  :  Pink floyd are cool too, many signs and good things are everywhere, I think thats positive and negative working together, to keep balance  

What sort of energy would create the clouds over the volcanos?  I do think sometimes and ask myself just how old time actulay is   are we young with more wiser people everywhere? I think Einstien talked of many things about parralel things and other dimensions too, I get lost though   To many big words and long theorys, I like the simple things, or maybe i just like to grow good food and plants and relax, everones different, but good and special, but I want to learn about everything and find out the truth about space. Wouldn't it be cool to be in the star wars films, I wouldn't fight as too much fighting has been done, I'd talk to Yoda all day, I bet he has some nice herbs  

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2062555/Mayan-Prophecies-and-Calendar I think this is very interesting to read, I would never say one thing is true, as I do not know myself, but I think these things link to other things and the bright people here might be able to link it to a science, or facts.. People need facts these days as soo many facts have been enforced through old brainwashing tricks with new tools..  

I hope that was not another riddle  

Peace  

 

 There are many great minds that have influenced our impression of natural phenomena. Galileo, Einstein, Tesla, Newton, etc.
 The energies that flow through our planet are persistent, but far from consistent. There are so many different types of energy, and they act/interact with one another in ways that we still discover. The big players are usually measured in frequencies, molecular properties, and magnetic capacity. It's usually these 3 that play major roles in the weather that surrounds us, both above and below the surface.
 The clouds over volcanos are usually what happens when he heat and steam from the caldera rise high enough to become affected by higher atmospheres, much like a plane contrail. That is, before the eruptions
 Einstein, along with a handful of other physicists have come up with amazing theories on time/space and quantum physics. I'll put it this way... there are many things we are not 'aware of' yet, but are happening. When you get time, watch The Mist. It points to an agenda called Project Arrowhead, about opening dimensions. That discovery is practically a reality as we speak.
 But I digress.....I'll try to keep my posts on topic, as we seem to be all over the board with Q&A.

[Q]

I agree with ya. The sun had a polar flip somewhere around 8 or 10 years ago, and they say it has a magnetic flip every 11 years. We are nearing that transition again, with the presence of less solar activity. I agree with you in the fact that earth will tend to follow that paradigm sine it only seems logical that the poles match that of the sun. With solar activity slowing, and the marked decrease in magnetivity and electron response in recent history here, it is most likely an indication of things to come.
 In the last 100 years, magnetic north has migrated downward and is now at the edges of northern Canada (deviated by about 200 miles so far), and they foresee it accelerating. I tend to see this event as a magnetic polar shift versus a planetary rotation. This occurrence could possibly affect the planetary alignment, but with lunar and Planet X influence, our geothermal properties will begin to shift with it.
 I guess we really won't know until after it happens

I agree that a migrating magnetic north (also indicative of falling field integrity) can't but have an effect on the geo-dynamo and therefore geothermal activity. It's also fair to hypothesise that these effects might positively reinforce eachother to produce an accelerating rate of change.

[sociostudent]

Well, there was just one M5.0 in Ryukyu Islands, Japan. That's on that rim, I'm assuming. 

[OldSchool]

I agree that a migrating magnetic north (also indicative of falling field integrity) can't but have an effect on the geo-dynamo and therefore geothermal activity. It's also fair to hypothesise that these effects might positively reinforce eachother to produce an accelerating rate of change.

 I would tend to think that also. Since electrical and magnetic output is on the decline, I would expect a magnetic shift versus a rotation. And although I still feel there will be a rise in earthquake activity, I don't really see a profound increase in volcanic activity based on this series of graphs:

http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html

I tend to believe we're in for a bumpy ride, but I'm more hopeful that it's eventless like the SuperMoon of '05

[OldSchool]

Well, there was just one M5.0 in Ryukyu Islands, Japan. That's on that rim, I'm assuming. 

Thx for the updates. I haven't installed foxfire so my 'realtime updates' for the time being is you and Boubear

[california]

If you go to YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtsOc0E9WbQ


This is an interview about an immanent pole shift by


THE expert

Brent Miller...

interviewed on Coast 2 Coast AM a month ago  by

George Noory.

Catastrophic Earth Changes

Researcher Brent Miller of the Horizon Project discussed past evidence for sudden catastrophic earth changes, and warned we could be nearing another such event, possibly occurring in 2012. Calamities such as a pole shift are likely caused by passing space bodies altering Earth's gravitational field, he explained.

Our solar system moves up and down a "galactic plane," and as the Mayans predicted, Earth will reach the closest point to the center of the galaxy in 2012, said Miller. The center (or "dark rift") has a large gravitational field which has been affecting Earth since 1998, causing larger and more frequent earthquakes, he noted. Quakes will increase as we get closer to 2012, as well as anomalous weather patterns caused by ocean temperature warming-- culminating in a pole shift with huge tsunamis that will wipe out coastal lands, he cautioned.

Miller cited ancient historical data to back up his assertions. Water damage to the Sphinx as well as silt evidence from the Mississippi River indicate that global tidal waves wreaked havoc around 9,000 years ago, he outlined. Various prophecies such as from Nostradamus, Cayce, the Bible, and the Hopi Indians all share similar accounts of dramatic earth cataclysms. Nostradamus wrote of a single day where everyone falls over, and Miller suggested this will be due to a gravitational flux/pole shift.

[sociostudent]

Thx for the updates. I haven't installed foxfire so my 'realtime updates' for the time being is you and Boubear

No problem ; You know, if things keep going the way they are, alex may need to have an astronomer or former nasa person be on the show...help explain all this crap that's (apparently) hitting the fan as we speak

[Watcher@Alba]

I'll try too keep the topic on topic, Its like sitting in a big room with cool people here, some might be having a smoke    

Chaos theory or string theory, great things come from talking.. Is there a place to talk "shit" and see what evolves?  

As this is a predictions place, I will say the planet or planets changing position sounds better than doomsday rubbish, I think that link to some ancients calanders in a few places in the world, some of these people say that they will just have to write a new calander, I dont think they are expecting any major bad things... Maybe slight changes will happen, I'm not sure. I hope everyone is safe and just thinks happy, or see what the old tribes and natives still say or where they are on they lands  

I dont think that planet X is coming to get us too, its all fear and doomsday to cause panic and create money   But creating fear and panic breeds fear and panic, then negative thoughts too.. All energy is linked, I do think about black holes, what goes in must come out, same as something went in the other side it must come out this side I think, ying and yang +-.  There are a few great minds in this Thread, I can see it    Tesla was a wizard, I HOPE, someone here is him or her, or someone like her/him.. We have many gifts, or very long training.. Time is great when I think about it and its been said we are in the best time to live, thats why the population is big and the NWO is scared of soo many people, I think many people wanted to be here and help the fight for good to crush the dark side  

Not all people want to fight though, but they will if they need to, others came for another prediction that is set in stone through maths i think, i'm sure maths is perfection, or works to perfection, if you know what i mean... The buildings of the maths people are perfect, even the old old ones... And space and time is all maths too.. Things in some books not to be trusted have some clues I think to what some people came to experience, I'm not sure though,  would maths or science wizards have any predictions coming up for big things in space with everything?


Ps. They are killing the bees to keep us in their control, the same evil control that has got everything, but not everything, only half I think, or maybe even a wee bit through big deception..   If our plants cant polinate natural then we need GM, then the GM as good stuff removed from it, so our bodys cant get vital nutrients, then we have to go to the chemical medicine companys to get medicine we would have got from plants..  Then more bad shit folows bad and evolves in to bigger shit   I think Cancer can be seen like an evil spirit moving over land too, bad use of wrong "tools" brings the evil in  

Lots of things can be predicted in some way, but not excact times and things, its just some kind of energy size at that time.. Particle physics looks cool, In Scotland I think there was a wizard called Merlin, I'm sure he was real. Or I might just love cool books and films to escape from this crazy world..  

I'm sorry if I talk a lot of shit   But, I feel that energy in this thread I get from reading websites and I cant post on those websites, here i Can. Its cool, Its like a big house, I wish we all got along   I hope we can all meet after doomsday to laugh our asses off, and do what we want, big party and lots of food and a big smoke   Thats my prediction.. I wonder if that Big thing at the place called CERN is a big magnet to stop some things you say OldSchool, or they are just trying to make a machine version of Merlin and do what they want with particles... If they never killed people like that or let Harry Potter fix CERN we might find out  

Peace  

[sociostudent]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bracing-for-a-solar-superstorm

A recurrence of the 1859 solar superstorm would be a cosmic Katrina, causing billions of dollars of damage to satellites, power grids and radio communications

By Sten F. Odenwald and James L. Green *  The solar superstorm of 1859 was the fiercest ever recorded. Auroras filled the sky as far south as the Caribbean, magnetic compasses went haywire and telegraph systems failed.
    * Ice cores suggest that such a blast of solar particles happens only once every 500 years, but even the storms every 50 years could fry satellites, jam radios and cause coast-to-coast blackouts.
    * The cost of such an event justifies more systematic solar monitoring and beefier protection for satellites and the power grid.

As night was falling across the Americas on Sunday, August 28, 1859, the phantom shapes of the auroras could already be seen overhead. From Maine to the tip of Florida, vivid curtains of light took the skies. Startled Cubans saw the auroras directly overhead; ships’ logs near the equator described crimson lights reaching halfway to the zenith. Many people thought their cities had caught fire. Scientific instruments around the world, patiently recording minute changes in Earth’s magnetism, suddenly shot off scale, and spurious electric currents surged into the world’s telegraph systems. In Baltimore telegraph operators labored from 8 p.m. until 10 a.m. the next day to transmit a mere 400-word press report.

Just before noon the following Thursday, September 1, English astronomer Richard C. Carrington was sketching a curious group of sunspots—curious on account of the dark areas’ enormous size. At 11:18 a.m. he witnessed an intense white light flash from two locations within the sunspot group. He called out in vain to anyone in the observatory to come see the brief five-minute spectacle, but solitary astronomers seldom have an audience to share their excitement. Seventeen hours later in the Americas a second wave of auroras turned night to day as far south as Panama. People could read the newspaper by their crimson and green light. Gold miners in the Rocky Mountains woke up and ate breakfast at 1 a.m., thinking the sun had risen on a cloudy day. Telegraph systems became unusable across Europe and North America.

The news media of the day looked for researchers able to explain the phenomena, but at the time scientists scarcely understood auroral displays at all. Were they meteoritic matter from space, reflected light from polar icebergs or a high-altitude version of lightning? It was the Great Aurora of 1859 itself that ushered in a new paradigm. The October 15 issue of Scientific American noted that ‘‘a connection between the northern lights and forces of electricity and magnetism is now fully established.” Work since then has established that auroral displays ultimately originate in violent events on the sun, which fire off huge clouds of plasma and momentarily disrupt our planet’s magnetic field.
The impact of the 1859 storm was muted only by the infancy of our technological civilization at that time. Were it to happen today, it could severely damage satellites, disable radio communications and cause continent-wide electrical blackouts that would require weeks or longer to recover from. Although a storm of that magnitude is a comfortably rare once-in-500-years event, those with half its intensity hit every 50 years or so. The last one, which occurred on November 13, 1960, led to worldwide geomagnetic disturbances and radio outages. If we make no preparations, by some calculations the direct and indirect costs of another superstorm could equal that of a major hurricane or earthquake.

The Big One
The number of sunspots, along with other signs of solar magnetic activity, waxes and wanes on an 11-year cycle. The current cycle began this past January; over the coming half a decade, solar activity will ramp up from its current lull. During the previous 11 years, 21,000 flares and 13,000 clouds of ionized gas, or plasma, exploded from the sun’s surface. These phenomena, collectively termed solar storms, arise from the relentless churning of solar gases. In some ways, they are scaled-up versions of terrestrial storms, with the important difference that magnetic fields lace the solar gases that sculpt and energize them. Flares are analogous to lightning storms; they are bursts of energetic particles and intense x-rays resulting from changes in the magnetic field on a relatively small scale by the sun’s standards, spanning thousands of kilometers. So-called coronal mass ejections (CMEs) are analogous to hurricanes; they are giant magnetic bubbles, millions of kilometers across, that hurl billion-ton plasma clouds into space at several million kilometers per hour.
Most of these storms result in nothing more than auroras dancing in the polar skies—the equivalent of a minor afternoon rainstorm on Earth. Occasionally, however, the sun lets loose a gale. No one living today has ever experienced a full-blown superstorm, but telltale signs of them have turned up in some surprising places. In ice-core data from Greenland and Antarctica, Kenneth G. McCracken of the University of Maryland has discovered sudden jumps in the concentration of trapped nitrate gases, which in recent decades appear to correlate with known blasts of solar particles. A nitrate anomaly found for 1859 stands out as the biggest of the past 500 years, with the severity roughly equivalent to the sum of all the major events of the past 40 years.

As violent as it was, the 1859 superstorm does not appear to have been qualitatively different from lesser events. The two of us, along with many other researchers, have reconstructed what happened back then from contemporary historical accounts as well as scaled-up measurements of milder storms in recent decades, which have been studied by modern satellites:

1. The gathering storm. On the sun, the preconditions for the 1859 superstorm involved the appearance of a large, near-equatorial sunspot group around the peak of the sunspot cycle. The sunspots were so large that astronomers such as Carrington could see them with the naked (but suitably protected) eye. At the time of the initial CME released by the storm, this sunspot group was opposite Earth, putting our planet squarely in the bull’s-eye. The sun’s aim need not be so exact, however. By the time a CME reaches Earth’s orbit, it typically has fanned out to a width of some 50 million kilometers, thousands of times wider than our planet.

2. First blast. The superstorm released not one but two CMEs. The first may have taken the customary 40 to 60 hours to arrive. The magnetometer data from 1859 suggest that the magnetic field in the ejected plasma probably had a helical shape. When it first hit Earth, the field was pointing north. In this orientation, the field reinforced Earth’s own magnetic field, which minimized its effects. The CME did compress Earth’s magnetosphere—the region of near-Earth space where our planet’s magnetic field dominates the sun’s—and registered at magnetometer stations on the ground as what solar scientists call a sudden storm commencement. Otherwise it went unnoticed. As plasma continued to stream past Earth, however, its field slowly spun around. After 15 hours, it opposed rather than reinforced Earth’s field, bringing our planet’s north-pointing and the plasma cloud’s south-pointing field lines into contact. The field lines then reconnected into a simpler shape, releasing huge amounts of stored energy. That is when the telegraph disruptions and auroral displays commenced. Within a day or two the plasma passed by Earth, and our planet’s geomagnetic field returned to normal.

3. X-ray flare. The largest CMEs typically coincide with one or more intense flares, and the 1859 superstorm was no exception. The visible flare observed by Carrington and others on September 1 implied temperatures of nearly 50 million kelvins. Accordingly, it probably emitted not only visible light but also x-rays and gamma rays. It was the most brilliant solar flare ever recorded, bespeaking enormous energies released into the solar atmosphere. The radiation hit Earth after the light travel time of eight and a half minutes, long before the second CME. Had shortwave radios existed, they would have been rendered useless by energy deposition in the ionosphere, the high-altitude layer of ionized gas that reflects radio waves. The x-ray energy also heated the upper atmosphere and caused it to bloat out by tens or hundreds of kilometers.

4. Second blast. Before the ambient solar-wind plasma had time to fill in the cavity formed by the passage of the first CME, the sun fired off a second CME. With little material to impede it, the CME reached Earth within 17 hours. This time the CME field pointed south as it hit, and the geomagnetic mayhem was immediate. Such was its violence that it compressed Earth’s magnetosphere (which usually extends about 60,000 kilometers) to 7,000 kilometers or perhaps even into the upper stratosphere itself. The Van Allen radiation belts that encircle our planet were temporarily eliminated, and huge numbers of protons and electrons were dumped into the upper atmosphere. These particles may have accounted for the intense red auroras seen in much of
the world.
5. Energetic protons. The solar flare and the intense CMEs also accelerated protons to energies of 30 million electron volts or higher. Across the Arctic, where Earth’s magnetic field affords the least protection, these particles penetrated to an altitude of 50 kilometers and deposited additional energy in the ionosphere. According to Brian C. Thomas of Washburn University, the proton shower from the 1859 superstorm reduced stratospheric ozone by 5 percent. The layer took four years to recover. The most powerful protons, with energies above one billion electron volts, reacted with the nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen atoms in the air, spawning neutrons and creating the nitrate abundance anomalies. A rain of neutrons reached the ground in what is now called a ground level event, but no human technology was available to detect this onslaught. Fortunately, it was not hazardous to health.

6. Massive electric currents. As the auroras spread from the usual high latitudes to low latitudes, the accompanying ionospheric and auroral electric currents induced intense, continent-spanning currents in the ground. These currents found their way into telegraph circuitry. The multiampere, high-voltage discharges caused near electrocutions and were reported to have burned down several telegraph stations.

Toasted Satellites
When a large geomagnetic storm happens again, the most obvious victims will be satellites. Even under ordinary conditions, cosmic-ray particles erode solar panels and reduce power generation by about 2 percent annually. Incoming particles also interfere with satellite electronics. Many communications satellites, such as Anik E1 and E2 in 1994 and Telstar 401 in 1997, have been compromised or lost in this way. A large solar storm can cause one to three years’ worth of satellite lifetime loss in a matter of hours and produce hundreds of glitches, ranging from errant but harmless commands to destructive electrostatic discharges.

To see how communications satellites might fare, we simulated 1,000 ways a superstorm might unfold, with intensities that varied from the worst storm of the Space Age (which occurred on October 20, 1989) to that of the 1859 superstorm. We found that the storms would not only degrade solar panels as expected but also lead to the significant loss of transponder revenue. The total cost would often exceed $20 billion. We assumed that satellite owners and designers would have mitigated the effects by maintaining plenty of spare transponder capacity and a 10 percent power margin at the time of their satellite’s launch. Under less optimistic assumptions, the losses would approach $70 billion, which is comparable to a year’s worth of revenue for all communications satellites. Even this figure does not include the collateral economic losses to the customers of the satellites.

Fortunately, geosynchronous communications satellites are remarkably robust against once-a-decade events, and their life spans have grown from barely five years in 1980 to nearly 17 years today. For solar panels, engineers have switched from silicon to gallium arsenide to increase power production and reduce mass. This move has also provided increased resistance to cosmic-ray damage. Moreover, satellite operators receive advanced storm warnings from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Space Weather Prediction Center, which allows them to avoid complex satellite maneuvers or other changes during the time when a storm may arrive. These strategies would doubtless soften the blow of a major storm. To further harden satellites, engineers could thicken the shielding, lower the solar panel voltages to lessen the risk of runaway electrostatic discharges, add extra backup systems and make the software more robust to data corruption.

It is harder to guard against other superstorm effects. X-ray energy deposition would cause the atmosphere to expand, enhancing the drag forces on military and commercial imaging and communications satellites that orbit below 600 kilometers in altitude. Japan’s Advanced Satellite for Cosmology and Astrophysics experienced just such conditions during the infamous Bastille Day storm on July 14, 2000, which set in motion a sequence of attitude and power losses that ultimately led to its premature reentry a few months later. During a superstorm, low-orbiting satellites would be at considerable risk of burning up in the atmosphere within weeks or months of the event.
Lights Out
At least our satellites have been specifically designed to function under the vagaries of space weather. Power grids, in contrast, are fragile at the best of times. Every year, according to estimates by Kristina Hamachi-LaCommare and Joseph H. Eto, both at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the U.S. economy takes an $80-billion hit from localized blackouts and brownouts. Declining power margins over the past decade have also left less excess capacity to keep up with soaring demands.

During solar storms, entirely new problems arise. Large transformers are electrically grounded to Earth and thus susceptible to damage caused by geomagnetically induced direct current (DC). The DC flows up the transformer ground wires and can lead to temperature spikes of 200 degrees Celsius or higher in the transformer windings, causing coolant to vaporize and literally frying the transformer. Even if transformers avoid this fate, the induced current can cause their magnetic cores to saturate during one half of the alternating-current power cycle, distorting the 50- or 60-hertz waveforms. Some of the power is diverted to frequencies that electrical equipment cannot filter out. Instead of humming at a pure pitch, transformers would begin to chatter and screech. Because a magnetic storm affects transformers all over the country, the condition can rapidly escalate to a network-wide collapse of voltage regulation. Grids operate so close to the margin of failure that it would not take much to push them over.

According to studies by John G. Kappenman of Metatech Corporation, the magnetic storm of May 15, 1921, would have caused a blackout affecting half of North America had it happened today. A much larger storm, like that of 1859, could bring down the entire grid. Other industrial countries are also vulnerable, but North America faces greater danger because of its proximity to the north magnetic pole. Because of the physical damage to transformers, full recovery and replacement of damaged components might take weeks or even months. Kappenman testified to Congress in 2003 that “the ability to provide meaningful emergency aid and response to an impacted population that may be in excess of 100 million people will be a difficult challenge.”

A superstorm will also interfere with radio signals, including those of the Global Positioning System (GPS) and related systems. Intense solar flares not only disturb the ionosphere, through which timing signals propagate, but also produce increased radio noise at GPS frequencies. The result would be position errors of 50 meters or more, rendering GPS useless for many military and civilian applications. A similar loss of precision occurred during the October 29, 2003, storm, which shut down the Wide Area Augmentation System, a radio network that improves the accuracy of GPS position estimates. Commercial aircraft had to resort to in-flight backup systems.

High-energy particles will interfere with aircraft radio communications, especially at high latitudes. United Airlines routinely monitors space weather conditions and has on several occasions diverted polar flights to lower altitudes and latitudes to escape radio interference. A superstorm might force the rerouting of hundreds of flights not just over the pole but also across Canada and the northern U.S. These adverse conditions might last a week.

Getting Ready
Ironically, society’s increasing vulnerability to solar storms has coincided with decreasing public awareness. We recently surveyed newspaper coverage of space weather events since the 1840s and discovered that a significant change occurred around 1950. Before this time, magnetic storms, solar flares and their effects often received lavish, front-page stories in newspapers. The Boston Globe carried a two-inch headline “U.S. Hit by Magnetic Storm” on March 24, 1940. Since 1950, though, such stories have been buried on inside pages.
Even fairly minor storms are costly. In 2004 Kevin Forbes of the Catholic University of America and Orville Chris St. Cyr of the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center examined the electrical power market from June 1, 2000, to December 31, 2001, and concluded that solar storms increased the wholesale price of electricity during this period by approximately $500 million. Meanwhile the U.S. Department of Defense has estimated that solar disruptions to government satellites cost about $100 million a year. Furthermore, satellite insurers paid out nearly $2 billion between 1996 and 2005 to cover commercial satellite damages and losses, some of which were precipitated by adverse space weather.

We would be well served by more reliable warnings of solar and geomagnetic storms. With adequate warning, satellite operators can defer critical maneuvering and watch for anomalies that, without quick action, could escalate into critical emergencies. Airline pilots could prepare for an orderly schedule of flight diversions. Power grid operators could watch susceptible network components and make plans to minimize the time the grid might be out of commission.

Agencies such as NASA and the National Science Foundation have worked over the past 20 years to develop space-weather forecasting capabilities. Currently NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center provides daily space weather reports to more than 1,000 businesses and government agencies. Its annual budget of $6 million
is far less than the nearly $500 billion in revenues generated by the industries supported by these forecasts. But this capability relies on a hodgepodge of satellites designed more for research purposes than for efficient, long-term space weather monitoring.

Some researchers feel our ability to predict space weather is about where NOAA was in predicting atmospheric weather in the early 1950s. From a monitoring perspective, what are needed are inexpensive, long-term space buoys to monitor weather conditions using simple, off-the-shelf instruments. In the meantime, scientists have a long way to go to understand the physics of solar storms and to forecast their effects. If we really want to safeguard our technological infrastructure, we will have to redouble our investment in forecasting, modeling and basic research to batten down for the next solar tempest.

Note: This article was originally printed with the title, "Bracing for a Solar Superstorm".

[Watcher@Alba]

Hi Sociostudent 

I read a small bit of that quick, I will come back later and read it all proper.. Modern science is still learning what I think many people did know at some long time ago, I think some still do with what I read on webites about ancient people from ancient people who still hold their history close...

I see links in that text "" discovered that a significant change occurred around 1950" -- ""Its annual budget of $6 million is far less than the nearly $500 billion in revenues generated by the industries supported by these forecasts"" 

That was about the time a great evil took over with a mask of good on I think, its too hard see good from bad, and right from wrong today..  If I had a old ancient calander or tallked to a Mayan instead of being scared of them I bet I would have been rich person if i owned NASA, maybe even a Chinese person, I think they are good at maths too, they must have spent too much money on tecnology , soo much good could have been done with that if they just asked one of the mayans, a real one too, I read great diferences in stuff thats said of them and what they say, same with every old tribe 

Peace 

[OldSchool]

No problem ; You know, if things keep going the way they are, alex may need to have an astronomer or former nasa person be on the show...help explain all this crap that's (apparently) hitting the fan as we speak

 He might want to consider it pretty quick. If this event does happen, the bad guys will just have to take a number and have a seat

[OldSchool]

I'll try too keep the topic on topic, Its like sitting in a big room with cool people here, some might be having a smoke    

Chaos theory or string theory, great things come from talking.. Is there a place to talk "shit" and see what evolves?  

As this is a predictions place, I will say the planet or planets changing position sounds better than doomsday rubbish, I think that link to some ancients calanders in a few places in the world, some of these people say that they will just have to write a new calander, I dont think they are expecting any major bad things... Maybe slight changes will happen, I'm not sure. I hope everyone is safe and just thinks happy, or see what the old tribes and natives still say or where they are on they lands  

I dont think that planet X is coming to get us too, its all fear and doomsday to cause panic and create money   But creating fear and panic breeds fear and panic, then negative thoughts too.. All energy is linked, I do think about black holes, what goes in must come out, same as something went in the other side it must come out this side I think, ying and yang +-.  There are a few great minds in this Thread, I can see it    Tesla was a wizard, I HOPE, someone here is him or her, or someone like her/him.. We have many gifts, or very long training.. Time is great when I think about it and its been said we are in the best time to live, thats why the population is big and the NWO is scared of soo many people, I think many people wanted to be here and help the fight for good to crush the dark side  

Not all people want to fight though, but they will if they need to, others came for another prediction that is set in stone through maths i think, i'm sure maths is perfection, or works to perfection, if you know what i mean... The buildings of the maths people are perfect, even the old old ones... And space and time is all maths too.. Things in some books not to be trusted have some clues I think to what some people came to experience, I'm not sure though,  would maths or science wizards have any predictions coming up for big things in space with everything?


Ps. They are killing the bees to keep us in their control, the same evil control that has got everything, but not everything, only half I think, or maybe even a wee bit through big deception..   If our plants cant polinate natural then we need GM, then the GM as good stuff removed from it, so our bodys cant get vital nutrients, then we have to go to the chemical medicine companys to get medicine we would have got from plants..  Then more bad shit folows bad and evolves in to bigger shit   I think Cancer can be seen like an evil spirit moving over land too, bad use of wrong "tools" brings the evil in  

Lots of things can be predicted in some way, but not excact times and things, its just some kind of energy size at that time.. Particle physics looks cool, In Scotland I think there was a wizard called Merlin, I'm sure he was real. Or I might just love cool books and films to escape from this crazy world..  

I'm sorry if I talk a lot of shit   But, I feel that energy in this thread I get from reading websites and I cant post on those websites, here i Can. Its cool, Its like a big house, I wish we all got along   I hope we can all meet after doomsday to laugh our asses off, and do what we want, big party and lots of food and a big smoke   Thats my prediction.. I wonder if that Big thing at the place called CERN is a big magnet to stop some things you say OldSchool, or they are just trying to make a machine version of Merlin and do what they want with particles... If they never killed people like that or let Harry Potter fix CERN we might find out  

Peace  

You should read up on the awesome properties of bee pollen. It's good for us, so therefore it's a problem for them.
I'll have to study up a bit more about CERN, but it is advertised as 'particle research', but I'm positive it has far greater implementations than that. I've heard of very peculiar activities and phenomena occurring in the area while CERN was running. When it crashed and was offline for a time, the phenomena vanished, so there is some kind of experimentation with antimatter going on there I'm sure (just like HAARP is an 'atmospheric research' facility). And it can't be good for our planet. It may be compounding the effects and disrupting the course of inevitability.
 It's no secret that the elitists USE science/physics/astronomers/biotechs and double-tap them when the project is done.

[OldSchool]

Sociostudent, that was a great article post. Lots of useful info there, and it follows the 11 year sun cycle. And even though they forecast the event in 2011-2012 we should be diligently watchful. That article also coincides with events that could happen at any time here. A detonation of a high altitude nuclear device or an EMP burst would achieve these same results, but it does give a realistic scenario as to what a 'terrorist attack' can yield.
 Also a nuke would also have collateral impact on the ground beneath it, enhancing earthquake activities along that plate or faultline.

[Boubear]

Magnitude 5.9 - KEPULAUAN MENTAWAI REGION, INDONESIA
2008 December 11 17:06:10 UTC

Location    3.587°S, 100.778°E
Depth   35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region   KEPULAUAN MENTAWAI REGION, INDONESIA
Distances   165 km (105 miles) W of Bengkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia
295 km (185 miles) S of Padang, Sumatra, Indonesia
385 km (240 miles) SW of Jambi, Sumatra, Indonesia
720 km (445 miles) WNW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008ala4.php

[OldSchool]

Magnitude 5.9 - KEPULAUAN MENTAWAI REGION, INDONESIA
2008 December 11 17:06:10 UTC

Location    3.587°S, 100.778°E
Depth   35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region   KEPULAUAN MENTAWAI REGION, INDONESIA
Distances   165 km (105 miles) W of Bengkulu, Sumatra, Indonesia
295 km (185 miles) S of Padang, Sumatra, Indonesia
385 km (240 miles) SW of Jambi, Sumatra, Indonesia
720 km (445 miles) WNW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008ala4.php

Thx Boubear

[sociostudent]

Does Puerto Rico usually get earthquakes? cause they just had a 3.0

[scoffer]

Does Puerto Rico usually get earthquakes? cause they just had a 3.0

sociostudent,
are you looking at the USGS site. If you are, you can click on the time the quake occured, once the detailed infor comes up, click on maps, and you can then check out the historical seismicity.

[Boubear]

Yes!! It's usually in the 3 magnitude !!

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/

[sociostudent]

like the lid on the pot, i know. 

[Puff1]

The EQ yesterday in Santa Cruz was a 6.2 (huge)

6.2 Mag. Strong EARTHQUAKE ~ Santa Cruz Islands
December 10, 2008 Wednesday 6.2 Strong EQ
Location: 12.340S, 166.428E
REGION: SANTA CRUZ ISLANDS
120 Miles SSE from Lata, Santa Cruz Islands, Solomon Islands
225 Miles NNW from Luganville, Espiritu Santo, Vanuatu
480 Miles NNW from Honiara, Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands
1360 Miles NE from Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
[51.3 Miles Deep]
USGS

Also saw these today:

December 11, 2008 Thursday 2.0 EQ
Location: 36.471N, 89.568W
REGION: MISSOURI/TENNESSEE [USA]
8 Miles ENE from Portageville, Missouri
8 Miles NW from Tiptonville, Tennessee
8 Miles SSW from New Madrid, Missouri
73 Miles NW from Jackson, Tennessee
[6.1 Miles Deep]
USGS
New Madrid Seismic Network


December 11, 2008 Thursday 4.5 EQ
Location: 16.9N, 62.03W
REGION: MONTSERRAT REGION, LEEWARD ISLANDS, CARIBBEAN
24 km SW from Bolands
30 km SW from Saint Johns
445 km E from Carolina
[88 km Deep]
EMSC
European-Mediterranean Seismic Network


December 11, 2008 Thursday 1.6 EQ
Location: 36.290N, 89.520W
REGION: TENNESSEE/MISSOURI [USA]
3 Miles NW from Ridgely, Tennessee
7 Miles SSW from Tiptonville, Tennessee
10 Miles NE from Caruthersville, Missouri
61 Miles NW from Jackson, Tennessee
[5.2 Miles Deep]
USGS
New Madrid Seismic Network

[OldSchool]

Yeah, Santa Cruz got a doozie yesterday, and with that magnitude coming from that depth, it's something to keep an eye on.

[Watcher@Alba]

Be strong people  

We get what we wish for, I feel a big energy is moving all over the world as one bad sprit has been doing for to long, this time the energy is positive, but there are walls stoping it as before, this time the spirit is going to smash down the walls through all you people that want real freedom  

Everything is linked OldSchool, Tesla was a wizard, I think a real good one... Many people have designed great tools and evil has waited then pounced to steal it. Evil preaches hate and control, but they are not Illuminati I'm sure as they have to wait on others to build great machine as the evil can never be enlightened as they have no balance and love   HARRP makes me think of a Irish tool for music also, good music sends out good positive energy in the sound waves too to m y ears from people I know who are gifted in that, sound and music is amazing and many things, and also they could be trying to make the the atmosphere, or the big force field round earth stronger to fight the radiation from the cosmos and sun with HARRP.. Or doing bad things to    I see good and bad in everything  

I sometimes think we have friends in other planets    Soo many film say these aliens are bad and want to kill us all, i've seen pictures and videos of spaceships and if they wanted to kill us I think it would be easy, they have some big magic I'm sure, I also see good too and I think they are protecting us too, maybe even fighting there own battles against some evil out for control in other places, I've seen the lights in Canada falling from the sky in a video and page on this cool site,  can they be predicted? as some people online say helicopters come down soon after the lights are seen too   If they helicopter are there quick they must have been expecting the light to fall and can predict these things, but dont tell anyone to be bring no fear and scare people, or they could be shooting the lights or making them fall with bad music  

My imagination makes me laugh, I do get confused with everything, but I see links in old stories and fun books and films with machines/tools, it does make me think deep.. I will undertand soon as time is speeding up I think,  so my thinking must speeds up, everything must  

Do other countries have a HARRP? If only bad music was played everywhere then bad would be everywhere and you would all hear the music you fear all the time, I fear boybands and cheesy pop, most stuff on the big radio and TV too  , I think someone is playing good music too to keep balance, they might even have a louder instrument  

I think we have more Super Moons coming too, This page can stay open for a long time and I think we will all understand soon, linking past to present and finding, good as everything is a circle, but my research skills are not too good, practice makes perfect  

Happy thoughts and love everyone, It will be good Boubear and Puff1, it is what you make it, I think you atract energy like a magnet, good or bad. What do you want from Santa for this year?   I think he is a big happy grower, you ask him for the seeds and he will bring them and you grow, why does he come on 25th of december and I stiill dont get snow?    

Life is wonderful and soo many links of old   Sorry if I'm not talking or earthquakes and predictions for some, but some might see different  

Peace  
 

[OldSchool]

There are a few other countries that have their own HAARP. Their sole purpose is destruction and mayhem, loosely based on Tesla's work. These devices are most practical when only using 1% of their designed capacity. Tesla had built a small device which he carried into town, and used it to create a mini earthquake under an abandoned building. Now it is used for creating/diverting weather, and geo-warfare. It is presumed responsible for the 2 consecutive earthquakes underneath a nuke reactor in Japan.
 This HAARP has nothing to do with music, and everything to do with geo-warfare, weather manipulation, directed microwave weapon (a nuke without the fallout), and brainwave distortion. They are also damaging our ionosphere heavily with it. They operate several of these here in the US, and I'm pretty sure Russia has one or two.

[Boubear]

Magnitude 6.0 - MINAHASA, SULAWESI, INDONESIA
2008 December 11 21:40:54 UTC

Location    0.112°N, 123.435°E
Depth   143.8 km (89.4 miles)
Region   MINAHASA, SULAWESI, INDONESIA
Distances   60 km (40 miles) SE of Gorontalo, Sulawesi, Indonesia
220 km (135 miles) SW of Manado, Sulawesi, Indonesia
1620 km (1010 miles) S of MANILA, Philippines
1980 km (1230 miles) ENE of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008alb2.php

[Pheonix Renewed]

Well, on the discussion about pole shifting... I would like to add a footnote.

Speaking of what happens in a pole shift, basically, the world is like a huge magnet. People seem to have the idea that, in order for the POLES to shift, the world would turn upside down. BOING, roll right over like a dog doing tricks. But in fact, to change the polarity of a magnet, one doesn't turn the magnet over, and viola, the poles change... you change the poles, NOT the positioning of the magnet. The poles are not some visible thing that turns over onto its head.

Yes, there would be disruption, but basically, that disruption is due to the alteration in the magnetic tug on the minerals in things, and on water and various land masses.

So please set aside the notion that a pole shift consists of the world rolling over, end over end.