Is New Zealand really the best country to move to?

[1984iscoming]

And i mean that in the sense, if we had to leave the US.

It intrequed me when alex mentioned New Zealand. I have been considering leaving this country. ( I am feverishly spreading the truth irrregardless )

If anyone can give other suggestions, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

[Infowarrior]

It doesn't matter where you go, in the end.  If you believe in what the Bible says, the new system will have control over ALL people, worldwide.  I know it would just be a great thing if Hillary become the next dictator if I could leave the USA... I get physically ill when I see her on T.V.  It's a reaction to her... just.... blah.  I don't think the country could survive another 4 years of globalist terror destroying our nation from the top down!

I am a personal believer that wherever you move, be happy where you'll go.  Know something of that place, and have a reasonable expectation of what it will be like before you decide to go.  I've thought about Romania, as you can be in a city like Bucharest or Brasov, and just traveling for a short time, you can get out into the middle of nowhere, where the people still celebrate in the "old" ways, and ride around on horse-drawn carts.  To ME, that's a good living - simple, meek, keeping to yourself, living off the land... and have fiber connections across the whole country.    Don't get me wrong, I had the opportunity to leave and live there MANY times, but I chose not to abandon my country.  I'd like to see some of my ancestor's lands. (I have German ancestors).

I have respect for people who are willing to overthrow someone like Ceausescu because they were tired of him.  I just have a problem with Romania joining the E.U.  NOT good, imo.  But the U.S.A. is part of the U.N., so ... and like I said, eventually we will all be in a one world government system anyways, if things keep up this way.

But in the end, it's not so much WHERE you live, but how you live your life.  THAT says more about you than anything else.  No matter where you go, the nuclear fallout will travel to you, the water you drink will be poisoned, and like the guys at Sealand off England's coast had problems with, others will come and try to take what you have.

Go where you want though.  I'm just babbling...

[Rock]

Good luck getting a citizenship or longterm visa on staying in New Zealand.
Its almost impossible because it is a desirable place to live.


Rock

[Dig]

What about Dubai?  Cheney/Michael Jackson/Former French PM

What a place to view the planned apocalypse, it is like box seats at Shea stadium.

[mr anderson]

Switzerland?

[Rufus Shinra]

It doesn't matter where you go, in the end.  If you believe in what the Bible says, the new system will have control over ALL people, worldwide.

True, but we don't have to believe in some book or whatever to understand that if we don't
fight the criminals who run things and we instead just sit and hide, then they'll win for sure.

The simple logic of "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" should be enough.

At least it is for me.

I don't know if New Zealand is the best place...
After a while it'll be divided up and conqured as well.

I'm going to stay where I am... unless I can get off the planet.

If I was forced, though, to go somewhere, on Earth...

Why not Russia? Lot's of forests, plenty of openess, wilderness.. it's big..
Or Northern Canada, but I think Russia would be better.. 

[mr anderson]

Russia? Such a depressing place.

I'd go for a European country that's small, good people, easy living.

Australia used to be like that...just becoming a Jnr America

[Bodycount]

New Zealand calling

I’m in New Zealand; sorry to have to tell you this but the NWO are here too & most of the people here are just as asleep as they are in the US.

We have very similar problems to what you have in the US.

If there is anything you or others would like to know about NZ, feel free to ask   

[chilicharger665]

What about Dubai?  Cheney/Michael Jackson/Former French PM

What a place to view the planned apocalypse, it is like box seats at Shea stadium.

I think that Dubai will become such a den of evil, that it will be utterly destroyed in the end times. I don't know if you believe the Bible or not, but I wouldn't touch the place.

[apolloslx]

AUSTRALIA, WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YA?

[livefreeordietryin]

I'm in New Zealand and believe me, its not that great.

The difference with NZ and US is that our government does whatever the f**k it wants and not a single person ever questions it. Sure, we'll debate the big issues, but its always a debate within the paradigm conveniently layed out for us by the mainstream media.

At least in the US you have a pretty large minority of people who are completely disgusted with their leaders, and who are looking at solutions outside of the box.

[Hawkwind39]

AUSTRALIA, WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YA?

Just next door to New Zealand.  The place that people on that video were told is North Korea.  Actually New Zealand looks really nice now that Sauron's been defeated and with all those happy little hobbits running around.   

[threndil]

I'm from New Zealand, I would have to say its a pretty great place to live. I cant really compare it to other countries as I have not lived outside of New Zealand though. Yes a lot of people are still asleep, but they are slowly waking up. 

I live in Christchurch and our water is very good. National Geographic figures show that less than 1% of the worlds water is drinkable. Christchurch's water supply is from the 1%. Christchurch Water is neither chlorinated nor fluoridated. Just thought I would throw that one in.

[EchelonMonitor]

The problem is finding a place that will have us--no one wants us.

Kind of ironic, after all the people who have immigrated to the US.

If you're of Irish descent you can go back to Ireland.

If you have money you can go to a number of places in the Caribbean.

You can always defect to North Korea and play computer games with Jong Il.

Or if you're really adventurous, you can become a freedom fighter in Myanmar and help overthrow the military dictatorship and become a national hero there.

[threndil]

If you have a bit of money, you might fare a better chance.

[1984iscoming]

Why not Russia? Lot's of forests, plenty of openess, wilderness.. it's big..
Or Northern Canada, but I think Russia would be better..

North Canada sounds pretty good too.

Right now though, i'm selling my house and I'm going to rent while still in the U.S.

I can wake up alot of people, but eventually I dont want to be in the middle of martial law or worse yet and be taken in on a Rex 84 list into some fema concentration camp.

[jbrid1138]

I say right here in the United States is the best place to live -- or at least it used to be.  We need to stop thinking about leaving and get this terrible mess under control.  If anyone should leave our home our land -- it should be the gangsters now in control.

Odd that some of you folks would bring up New Zeland and Switzerland -- the two also crossed my mind.  But that's about the time that I got to thinking WHY SHOULD WE BE THE ONE LEAVING? 

Vote Ron Paul 2008 and help take back our nation. 

[David Rothscum]

If you had the money you could buy some remote uninhabited island in the pacific and try to sit it out over there, hoping that they don't find you and if they do it's not worth the money to come after you, but even then your chances are slim at best.

[ELIJAH STAPP]

I think we might have a case of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  We should find a local escape route to the bush, and prepare ourselves as we would prepare for a hurricane...

[Kiwi]

NZ is still a good place to live. We dont have a Govt (yet) preparing to enslave us, as in the USA, with equivalents of the MC Act, Patriot Act etc. And... If the NWO World Govt thing happens, I believe NZs situation will be dictated to from the outside. Perhaps a puppet administration will be put in. But thats conjecture, and I wont help create it by thinking it.

Here, we are peripheral to the key 'theatre' in this very important play which is the USA. The key issue is 911. It was such a brazen act. Those who did it must have had the confidence they would get away with it. So, USA is the frontline in this Global situation we have. All the best to you guys there.

[PUPAGANDA]

I'd love to check it out some time for a vacation.

[jbrid1138]

No, it's not the best country to move to.  And with a NWO concept what 'planet' do you think New Zealand belongs to that it too won't be under the control of the master? -- new WORLD order.  Not that there is actually anything new about it at all -- the powerful imposing themselves on the less powerful, that's not a new concept.

When asked to name a country that starts with the letter U -- some people might mistakenly and wrongfully say -- 'Yugoslavia' -- forgetting that our country starts with the letter 'U'-nited States of America.  I say the best country is right here in the USA; best that we come to understand that and take it back and push it and bend it back into the shape our founding fathers intended it to be -- that's what would be best for us and best for the entire WORLD.  If not there will be no best place (to hide).  I'd like to call that the New WORLD Order (us taking back our country and returning it to the old ways); then if you wanted to go on vacation to what I understand to be a very beautiful landscape with wonderfully friendly people -- go.  And if someone there should ask where you're from?  You can say the best darn country in the WORLD and encourage them to consider moving here also.

But first things first -- Vote Ron Paul 2008 and help take back this wonderful country of ours, one that starts with the letter 'U'. 

My continuing thoughts.

[lord edward coke]

THERE IS NO PLACE TO RUN AND HIDE!!!  like alex says you stand and fight on your feet  or die on your knees.this is the battle for the republic and if  the usa falls there is no other place that will resist the nwo.hunker down and take as many with you as you can.when the gestapo came for the jews if they would of taken atleast one secret policeman with them -than  20+millon german policemen dead.[tends to have a dampening affect on recruitment]or like in the gulag arcapeilego where alexander s.states that  they should of waited in the stairwells with shovels  axes  pitchforks  sledgehammers etc.and taken out the secret police.we have a huge advantage-WE CAN SEE IT COMING and we can prepare.bone up on your marksmanship-get yourself an ar15 or ak - a concellable pistol-a good shotgun--and ammo for each one.get a gasmask for everymember of the home.etc     or live the life of the victim like we have been doing since the implementation of the income tax.patrick henry had a good quote right about here.

[chilicooker]

Try Antarctica.  There's a lot of single penguins there.
Or push real hard and force your nuts to drop, then, consider defending your own country.

[Kiwi]

No, it's not the best country to move to.  And with a NWO concept what 'planet' do you think New Zealand belongs to that it too won't be under the control of the master? -- new WORLD order.  Not that there is actually anything new about it at all -- the powerful imposing themselves on the less powerful, that's not a new concept.

When asked to name a country that starts with the letter U -- some people might mistakenly and wrongfully say -- 'Yugoslavia' -- forgetting that our country starts with the letter 'U'-nited States of America.  I say the best country is right here in the USA; best that we come to understand that and take it back and push it and bend it back into the shape our founding fathers intended it to be -- that's what would be best for us and best for the entire WORLD.  If not there will be no best place (to hide).  I'd like to call that the New WORLD Order (us taking back our country and returning it to the old ways); then if you wanted to go on vacation to what I understand to be a very beautiful landscape with wonderfully friendly people -- go.  And if someone there should ask where you're from?  You can say the best darn country in the WORLD and encourage them to consider moving here also.

But first things first -- Vote Ron Paul 2008 and help take back this wonderful country of ours, one that starts with the letter 'U'. 

My continuing thoughts.

I agree with JBrids general gist, and that is that you gotta fight for what you believe in where you are. I mean, I understand the USA to be a very beautiful landscape with wonderfully friendly people too 

[chilicharger665]

Try Antarctica.  There's a lot of single penguins there.
Or push real hard and force your nuts to drop, then, consider defending your own country.

Haha, you got everyone there! But in all seriousness, I'm defending my own country!

[xvyxx]

Isn't New Zealand under British Common Law?

If it is, moving there would be of no use in the event of a one world government. 

British Commonwealths still give power to the queen - although to date she has never exercised it.

[1984iscoming]

I think alot of you are right. I'm going to stay and fight. My plan is to buy some land in maine and build a cabin. If anyone knows some decent land in maine I can buy, send me a message. I'm even willing to live near some people who are also non-conformist and want to live self sufficiently.

I found a great website for building low cost cabins, www.jshow.com

With a possible great depression, we need to be self-reliant and sufficient.

[chilicooker]

To chilicharger665.

Thanks, but I wasn't really trying to be funny. I was making a point. I'm dead serious. I INTEND to defend my country and I suggest that everyone defend their own country. No matter what country that is.   
We may not always agree but we can always get along.
Running away is simply.................. well you can insert your own adjective as you see fit.

Chili.
 

[jbrid1138]

I think alot of you are right. I'm going to stay and fight. My plan is to buy some land in maine and build a cabin. If anyone knows some decent land in maine I can buy, send me a message. I'm even willing to live near some people who are also non-conformist and want to live self sufficiently.

I found a great website for building low cost cabins, www.jshow.com

With a possible great depression, we need to be self-reliant and sufficient.

Now this is all very strange // I clicked on that link about Log Cabins (because I too am interested in building one someday // discussed this w/my wife a couple of days ago and she suggested we might buy some land on Whidbey Island (Seattle) and build one there -- the link has INFORMATION all about Log Cabins AND Whidbey Island.

All very strange indeed.  I knew the NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF, etc was eavesdropping on our email and telephone calls but now I'm beginning to think maybe they can read our minds too.  Not making any accusation towards you of course. 

[chilicharger665]

To chilicharger665.

Thanks, but I wasn't really trying to be funny. I was making a point. I'm dead serious. I INTEND to defend my country and I suggest that everyone defend their own country. No matter what country that is.   
We may not always agree but we can always get along.
Running away is simply.................. well you can insert your own adjective as you see fit.

Chili.
 

Regardless, the second I read that I chuckled to myself pretty hard... I am definitely defending my country. I've had passing thoughts of moving and then realized that I love my country and I will defend it rather than moving anyday!

[Kiwi]

Isn't New Zealand under British Common Law?

If it is, moving there would be of no use in the event of a one world government. 

British Commonwealths still give power to the queen - although to date she has never exercised it.

British common law is one aspect of NZs legal system. Its a long standing tradition of case law in which significant cases serve as precedents. Originally those cases were decided in Britain.

NZ judges are under no obligation whatsoever to follow cases decided in Britain so, we are not "under common law", its just that that is from where our case law derived. NZ common law has diverged, and will continue to diverge, from Britains common law.

NZ IS however part of the commonwealth but that means very little in Canada, Australia or NZ (other than we have the "Commonwealth Games" every four years). The Queens representative, The Governor-General, is the "head of state" in NZ but really has no power.

Anyway, NZ will become a republic within my lifetime and let go of Englands apron strings once and for all (for that is what we would be doing). No drama. 

[sullivan]

Russia? Such a depressing place.

Been there? I guess not. I have lived there, and it is FAR from depressing.

[1984iscoming]

jbrid,

No worries.

Maybe this topic is best served in a different forum but...You can also check out http://www.countryplans.com/gallery.html, they have alot of examples of people who built cabins and small houses for $6,000 - $15,000.

Theres alot of people going back to the land and while it seems scary to me to be out in the country, its also exciting to finally disconnect myself from the "matrix".

[Kiwi]

jbrid,

Theres alot of people going back to the land and while it seems scary to me to be out in the country, its also exciting to finally disconnect myself from the "matrix".

Ha! Well put Jbrid.

[jbrid1138]

jbrid,

Theres alot of people going back to the land and while it seems scary to me to be out in the country, its also exciting to finally disconnect myself from the "matrix".

Ha! Well put Jbrid.

Well, thank you, but the 'well put' comment (above) wasn't from me

[Kiwi]

oops! 

[jbrid1138]

That's OKAY KIWI -- It's all that fresh air and good country living there in NZ that's fogged your thoughts momentarily.  Other than that one tiny little nothing' -- keep the good posting coming from truly waaaaay down under.  Have a nice day.

[Kiwi]

That's OKAY KIWI -- It's all that fresh air and good country living there in NZ that's fogged your thoughts momentarily.  Other than that one tiny little nothing' -- keep the good posting coming from truly waaaaay down under.  Have a nice day.

Cheers John 

[In_Formation]

I'm heading for a small hick town in the heart land of what used to be the good ol US of A..... Lets face the reality here, police state or not, if the community is tightly knit and everyone knows each other, the compartmentalised system dosent work very efficiently. It's the next best thing to an indian tribe. And if you look at the big picture, the Native Americans were the only ones in history to agressively resist the NWO...... This was never our country from the start (but whats done is done and we have to live with those blood stains), and the sooner people begin to understand this, the sooner we can make a difference and run these blue blooded nazi bastards out of here and start living like human beings, with dignity, and respect for each other.......Tribalism is the cure for totalitarianism.

Sorry, but I'm just getting sick and tired of all this "we gotta get our country back" bullshit..... 200 years is the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things, hell not even that.... This isnt about America, this is about good against evil, it's about educating people to identify these psychopathic sons of b***hes and stomping thier guts through thier a**holes... Only then will this madness come to an end, as long as we continue to allow materialistic ego's rule over us, we'll go in circles with this forever!...... Change starts with you!