Bill Cooper

[PatAndrews]

Maybe I worded it wrong, he stated later in his life that he had been spoonfed the information about UFO's and aliens (AKA Disinformation) and accidentally misled us.  He apologized for any deception he may have caused on his part, which is more than most people who find out they are wrong do I may add.  Anyone can look this up for themselves.  I honestly don't know why this is still any kind of subject for debate.  The man did do quite a lot for this movement.

I do truly like Alex, but on something like this, I thought he would have been slightly more informed.  Regardless of the differences he may have had with Bill, there was no need for this little rant in the first place.  We are all on the same side in this. 

[Amd304912]

pissing on graves is the american way... might i add it is not worth it unless you are

1. drinking a beer.

2. getting laid.

[Dig]

Maybe I worded it wrong, he stated later in his life that he had been spoonfed the information about UFO's and aliens (AKA Disinformation) and accidentally misled us.  He apologized for any deception he may have caused on his part, which is more than most people who find out they are wrong do I may add.  Anyone can look this up for themselves.  I honestly don't know why this is still any kind of subject for debate.  The man did do quite a lot for this movement.

I do truly like Alex, but on something like this, I thought he would have been slightly more informed.  Regardless of the differences he may have had with Bill, there was no need for this little rant in the first place.  We are all on the same side in this. 

I did not hear the rant, but everything I have seen/heard/read about Bill Cooper shows me he was an incredible pillar of truth and knowledge.  He may have had some 'issues' with a young, energetic AJ, but he litterally was carrying a huge weight of knowledge and he was a human being (I guess something similar can be said for AJ now).

To Bill's spirit:

RIP patriot.

RIP.

Your words, videos, lessons have not fallen on deaf ears, blind eyes, or ignorant minds.

[PatAndrews]

I did not hear the rant, but everything I have seen/heard/read about Bill Cooper shows me he was an incredible pillar of truth and knowledge.  He may have had some 'issues' with a young, energetic AJ, but he litterally was carrying a huge weight of knowledge and he was a human being (I guess something similar can be said for AJ now).

To Bill's spirit:

RIP patriot.

RIP.

Your words, videos, lessons have not fallen on deaf ears, blind eyes, or ignorant minds.

You are absolutely right.  I honestly believe in the later couple of years of Bill's life, he no longer knew who he could trust.  I can't imagine the weight he bore, or Alex at this point either.  We, as human beings, don't always see eye to eye, but when we are on the same side, sometimes it would be best to lay our differences aside and respect the ones who gave up their lives to attempt to bring us freedom.  That is what it is all about, always has been about, and always will be. 

[241727]

If you can, get Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Series of lectures ( try priatebay.org for example ) and lsiten to a pure genius.

[Wanted]

If you can, get Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Series of lectures ( try priatebay.org for example ) and lsiten to a pure genius.

agreed

[Dig]

You are absolutely right.  I honestly believe in the later couple of years of Bill's life, he no longer knew who he could trust.  I can't imagine the weight he bore, or Alex at this point either.  We, as human beings, don't always see eye to eye, but when we are on the same side, sometimes it would be best to lay our differences aside and respect the ones who gave up their lives to attempt to bring us freedom.  That is what it is all about, always has been about, and always will be. 

agreed, welcome to the forum dude!

[master S]

that's not quite factual about Cooper not believing in UFOs at all. While he gave disinfo, most of his talks centered around a UFO sighting in the Pacific that started him on the journey of his life.  That should not be discounted, though unable to be quantified.

[TheCaliKid]

There is a vast difference in believing in UFO's as high black projects, and believing in UFO's as having little green men behind the controls.

[Anti_Illuminati]

I did not hear the rant, but everything I have seen/heard/read about Bill Cooper shows me he was an incredible pillar of truth and knowledge.  He may have had some 'issues' with a young, energetic AJ, but he litterally was carrying a huge weight of knowledge and he was a human being (I guess something similar can be said for AJ now).

To Bill's spirit:

RIP patriot.

RIP.

Your words, videos, lessons have not fallen on deaf ears, blind eyes, or ignorant minds.

^ This  Coopers book woke me up, helped put a lot of the pieces together.  An amazing man.  you know that he was for real because of the fact that when he found out about JFK he went AWOL for 8 days.  You don't go AWOL over that unless your heart is set on the side of the truth and was a true patriot.

There is a vast difference in believing in UFO's as high black projects, and believing in UFO's as having little green men behind the controls.

Now there's a statement that you won't see anywhere else I bet.  Discernment is extremely rare anymore.

I should add in reference to the OP's title--I heard this show, and yeah I didn't like what AJ said, but maybe he was just too stressed out or something--eh it's way different for him anyways because he's in the same position as he was.  If he doesn't like him per se, it sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to feel the same way.

[mr anderson]

There is a vast difference in believing in UFO's as high black projects, and believing in UFO's as having little green men behind the controls.

Exactly.

I'm more of the view that "UFO sightings" could be military projects.

They always seem to happen in deserts with Air Force bases  or over large metropolitan cities for all to see.

The desert is where they test the projects, and the city is where they test the people's reactions and condition them.

All they need now is to brainwash a soldier, dress them up and parade them coming from a "disc" in a cornfield in southern United States.

[241727]

Exactly.

I'm more of the view that "UFO sightings" could be military projects.

They always seem to happen in deserts with Air Force bases  or over large metropolitan cities for all to see.

The desert is where they test the projects, and the city is where they test the people's reactions and condition them.

All they need now is to brainwash a soldier, dress them up and parade them coming from a "disc" in a cornfield in southern United States.

Oh I do agree...
I think it was Bill Cooper, and I'm paraphrasing on memory here that said spmething along the lines "That its funny how the military allways turn up first at these crash sites, sightings etc..., and then made some sarcastic remark about military agility."

I'd really like it if Alex could come to some arrangement so that he could replay the Mystery Babylon series and at the same time take some time off from his Radio Show.

For instance, if more people had listend to the series, they would understand the Mystery Religon references to "October Surprise".

[Triadtropz]

bill, after a fifth of jack daniels.. probably would have said anything..Im safe to say, i've seen several ufo's up close. so i'm sure they are real..

[241727]

bill, after a fifth of jack daniels.. probably would have said anything..Im safe to say, i've seen several ufo's up close. so i'm sure they are real..

Troll

[Triadtropz]

Troll

huh..what exactly is a troll in your mind..anyone with an opinion..Ive noticed people becoming rude online lately and everywhere ..I actually think your a troll ive just kept it to myself..

[TheGoodFight1984]

I think we have far too few leaders, and it really pisses me off when they start measuring their cocks one with the other...

I'm not going to beat up on any of our guys- even if I disagree with some of their points, I'm overjoyed to have them out working the market.

we're all our own leaders. relying on others is futile IMO. it starts with thinking for yourself and then truly being your own leader when you've realised that you don't need anyone else to show you the path! I definitely do not look at AJ or any other presenter as a leader, more what they are, a talk show presenter and film-maker or whatever. I mean think about it, all of us on here deliver, digest and analyse more info than any individual I could name... we all make our own decisions and that's not based on any one person leading.

[241727]

huh..what exactly is a troll in your mind..anyone with an opinion..Ive noticed people becoming rude online lately and everywhere ..I actually think your a troll ive just kept it to myself..

Thats ok . . . .  

It can get a bit heated as people do care . . .
Which means they post with passion . . .

If you see a "flying saucer" its ilogical to jump to the conclusion that it came from another planet.
Just like its ilogical when something paranormal happens to jump to the conclusion that it was caused by the the spirit of a dead person.

Sorry for being Rude.

[batman]

Forget Alex Jones playing the Mystery Babylon series. Alex is still bitter and hurt from Bill Cooper's attacks that he cannot forgive Bill. If you really want to hear Bill Cooper's past work and how relevent it is today and will always be i suggest you donate what you can to Hour of the Time, Bills radio show currently being run by Doyel Shamely, Bill Cooper's protege and the only man he really trusted in the last years of his life when the threat to his life increased. In fact Alex Jones should have someone like Doyel Shamely on to set the record straight on Bill Cooper rather than listening to hearsay. That would never happen.

Don't forget Bill and don't believe the lies about Bill, do your own research..here are the links to the complete Mystery Babylon series and a link to donate in the future release of the original Bill Cooper material.

http://www.oneheartbooks.com/resources/audios/cooper_mystery_babylon.htm

^^^mystery babylon^^^

http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/?page_id=308

^^^donate to hour of the time^^^

[241727]

Forget Alex Jones playing the Mystery Babylon series. Alex is still bitter and hurt from Bill Cooper's attacks that he cannot forgive Bill. If you really want to hear Bill Cooper's past work and how relevent it is today and will always be i suggest you donate what you can to Hour of the Time, Bills radio show currently being run by Doyel Shamely, Bill Cooper's protege and the only man he really trusted in the last years of his life when the threat to his life increased. In fact Alex Jones should have someone like Doyel Shamely on to set the record straight on Bill Cooper rather than listening to hearsay. That would never happen.

Don't forget Bill and don't believe the lies about Bill, do your own research..here are the links to the complete Mystery Babylon series and a link to donate in the future release of the original Bill Cooper material.

http://www.oneheartbooks.com/resources/audios/cooper_mystery_babylon.htm

^^^mystery babylon^^^

http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/?page_id=308

^^^donate to hour of the time^^^

I'd have hoped that Alex was a bit more mature than that by now . . .

[batman]

It is a shame Alex reacted like this but I remember the first airing of the fourth hour and Alex blew up on some caller cussing and swearing and saying he was going to kick his ass when he comes to New York so it comes to no surprise Alex reacted like that but it has happened but still give Alex credit for everything he is accomplishing in the movement.  The movement is ultra competitive but we are more informed for it.

Doyel Shamely for the Alex Jones Show...how do you go about suggesting guests to Alex's producers??

[Rak HaEmet]

we're all our own leaders. relying on others is futile IMO. it starts with thinking for yourself and then truly being your own leader when you've realised that you don't need anyone else to show you the path! I definitely do not look at AJ or any other presenter as a leader, more what they are, a talk show presenter and film-maker or whatever. I mean think about it, all of us on here deliver, digest and analyse more info than any individual I could name... we all make our own decisions and that's not based on any one person leading.

I disagree with you GoodFight. I don't see all of us as leaders. Sure, we may choose to make decisions based upon our own opinions, but that doesn't make a leader.

A leader is someone who 1. has people who are concerned with what they say and think. 2. They organize to some extent. The peripheral folks listening and performing tasks need to be organized somehow with priority directives and such. 3. Leaders are forward looking, and identify challenges and opportunities. 4. A leader motivates, and encourages.

Like any other social body, the liberty/truth/freedom movement has leaders. You and i know them, because we care or listen to what they say. I have a little metaphor about farm life. "There are three kinds of people- Sheep, Sheppards, and Wolves. The sheep pretty much do whatever everyone else is doing. The Sheppards are the leaders (in a sense). And the Wolves are solitary opportunists."

Folks like Bill, AJ, Mark Koernke, Trevor Lyman- they're sheppards. no doubt. While IMHO this movement has a surplus of wolves, there indeed are many sheep as well (and nothing wrong with that either- every social body needs 'em).

I'm not about to pick on any member of our group- especially the sheppards (leaders), as they've got a hard enough time trying to organize a bunch of individualists (10 fold worse than cats!), and blemishes against them, are blemishes against the truth of the importance of liberty- and that brothers, we definetly don't need.

To zero in on it- is it really important to liberty if Bill was a lush or not, or if AJ's tantrums are good or not? The key factor before opening the pie hole- is this going to hurt or harm our chances for Truth and Freedom?

 (btw, word has it that we- you, I, AJ,... everyone, has a smoking crap in the toilet each day- and it really stinks.   Why talk about the trivial when the Constitution is being dismembered in the town square?)

[batman]

That jupiter stuff went through did it? I had Behold a Pale Horse for xmas and am slowly going through it but he already claimed in the first 80 pages that global warming was/is a hoax and what he says to back that up makes sense...the man did amazing research..imagine if he had the financial backing like Alex Jones.
Anyways me personally would like to hear Doyel Shameley on the Alex Jones Show for his different perspective on the infowar, the movement etc asking this again...here is Doyel on the Greg Syzmanski talking about Bill's murder...

http://arcticbeacon.com/audio/2006/2006-GCN/03-2006-GCN/0307-2006-GCN-Hr1.mp3

[xfahctor]

The important point yo are missing is that Cooper's disclusures and claims are getting prooven right. Let me explain it in other words... Cooper might have said the Alien stuff is crap, but the info he provides in his interviews and books is being prooven right.

Example:

The Lucifer Project, were Jupiter or saturn was to be turned into a sun. A plutonium powered craft was allready sent to ignite Jupiter.

How has the lucifer project been proven to be right? The science behind it just doesn't add up, what is being proposed is simply not at all possible by any means.

[241727]

The important point yo are missing is that Cooper's disclusures and claims are getting prooven right. Let me explain it in other words... Cooper might have said the Alien stuff is crap, but the info he provides in his interviews and books is being prooven right.

Example:

The Lucifer Project, were Jupiter or saturn was to be turned into a sun. A plutonium powered craft was allready sent to ignite Jupiter.

Go and listen to Bill Cooper debunking the Alien Hoax.

Get a basic book on astronomy and comprehend the distances involved, and the forces involved. While it might be possible to send an probe vast distance, it will never be possible for a life form. All the short-cuts theories involving worm holes and such like would involve forces that split the atom...

Of course you are entitled to your own irrational beliefs, proporgated by FREEMASONs and the CIA..

[Dig]

Lucifer project is total and complete disinformation, please post it on the Lucifer project thread.

thanks

[dogfall]

Before I start.. I must introduce myself For one before any forum admins ,moderators or users begin to put me in the "Troll" category just keep in mind its very easy to "control" when you are in a power role ! this includes being an admin on a forum or being involved with the new world order.. no pun intended!

I have my opinions that I will keep to myself and some that I will let flow off my finger tips. You will not see me walking down the street with a 911 was an inside job shirt although I do believe we were deceived of the truth! Anyone could be labeled a mis information agent ..even Alex Jones ..I just don't know who is for real and who is not? Ton's of info on this site points to Alex being the real deal and if he is I think he is a true American hero as was William Milton Cooper.

Let's start off with the UFO's, I don't think anyone of us can call anyone an idiot unless you know for sure that UFO's don't exist. If you know this for sure then you know more than most of the people on the "prison planet" excluding the NWO. I think our Government has made contact with other beings elsewhere and have gained great knowledge and technology..that's my opinion.

The next 911 will come from outer space mark my word! the second biggest hoax in the history of the world. watch Obama as he explores space in ways we have not seen. "do a Google search" again that's my opinion.

As for Bill Cooper.. I believe he states in all of his videos talking about UFO's that  this was all put in front of him so he would deliver evidence he even said he didn't know although he witnessed strange craft flying during the military as a naval agent for the government. If some of you don't know  what I'm saying it's like saying "Elvis is dead..when he is really alive" just an example.

What Puzzles me is.. They Killed Bill Cooper because of what he was doing..they tried to arrest him on 911 because he had informed everyone that listened to his broadcast 6-28-01 that 911 was going to happen and "named Binladin" I think they wanted rid of cooper so that he could not broadcast during the event of that day and they missed him.

Another thing very strange is you can't find Bill's broadcast from 911 anywhere free, you have to buy it from the hour of the time site..his death put a big dent into The Bill Cooper following and scared all of his people. I ordered " hour of the time" and it comes from Canada not the USA and it's Bill's buddy that helped him that sent it to me. This scared him right out of the good old USA and should.

Folks we are dealing with people that will kill you and get by with it! You never hear anything about Bill because the first thing  people do is call him a UFO nut! but if his death & broadcast were investigated it would be another piece of evidence to lay out on the table against the NWO .



Now it was a big deal the thing between Bill and Alex who was first announcing the 911 thingy....well the broadcast are well documented
and Alex's broadcast came 1 month later Below are two stills from the videos and again folks this is all documented fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA
             


The next question is how Alex gets by with what he is doing and Bill didn't  "just curious" Is the NWO afraid of Alex I would not think so.. they are killing people as we speak.

Films and info about the NWO  why does this cost the American people to watch it and gain knowledge? if you are trying to report the truth and get the American people awaken why charge them to awaken them?  people will not pay to be awaken and if they do it's wrong.
I await the response to that one...it will be along the lines of expense..

The way I see it IF Bill and Alex are for real and this is not just about "stealing someone's thunder" then they are TRUE PATRIOTS

I host one of Bill's MySpace pages http://www.myspace.com/911hourofthetime  and will be posting his broadcast on 911 soon for all to hear "FREE" I have continuously tried to friend Alex Jones on myspace and have been refused several times??? If we are all in the same army against the NWO why can't I be your friend on myspace...It just don't make sense.

Anyway Investigate 911 & Bill Cooper and others like him who have died for truth.

peace 

[241727]

Let's start off with the UFO's, I don't think anyone of us can call anyone an idiot unless you know for sure that UFO's don't exist. If you know this for sure then you know more than most of the people on the "prison planet" excluding the NWO. I think our Government has made contact with other beings elsewhere and have gained great knowledge and technology..that's my opinion.

If you see an un-identified flying object, it is a huge leap of logic to assume it comes from another planet.

Real or not, let us stick to what we can prove. If you want people to take you seriously when you tell them the Federal Reserve is a fraud then it helps if you dont mention flying saucers, what ever you private beliefs.

[otero1]

What a shame that this thread is lumped in with "faux controversies and whining threads". None the less I am going to bring you some great information to those who are new to William Cooper.

The Hour of Our Time - The Legacy of William Cooper
Streaming: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781
Torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/2152565

Audio files
http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savage/index.php?path=./billcooper
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4245143/William_Cooper_-_Audio_Collection (I realize there is some Anti-AJ stuff on that torrent. Take it with a grain of salt.)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4207316/Complete_and_Unedited_Mystery_Babylon_-_Bill_Cooper
http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/audios/cooper_mystery_babylon.htm

[Revolt426]

Bump, Bill cooper is more importent then some other things here :p

[The_lizard]

I like this interview from 98 with Alex and Bill, its' 11 years old and still very relative. I especially like the part at around 37:00 when Bill talks about the new dawn.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8998290019451222681

[Revolt426]

I like this interview from 98 with Alex and Bill, its' 11 years old and still very relative. I especially like the part at around 37:00 when Bill talks about the new dawn.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8998290019451222681

Since this is the "Crazy" people board, i'll have to agree that it's relevant and go one step further and say Alex Jones took up where Bill Cooper really left off - My personal opinion is Bill started this whole thing and when he was killed Alex starting putting out better and better information and took his place.

[phatbob426]

Thats ok . . . .  

It can get a bit heated as people do care . . .
Which means they post with passion . . .

If you see a "flying saucer" its ilogical to jump to the conclusion that it came from another planet.
Just like its ilogical when something paranormal happens to jump to the conclusion that it was caused by the the spirit of a dead person.

Sorry for being Rude.

How is it irrational to believe that a flying saucer came from another planet?  There is life out there, as well as secret government programs.  If you would, please explain to everyone what's up with the monolith on Phobos.  Please explain what goes on on the dark side of the moon.

[batman]

monolith on Phobos, dark side of the moon..sounds like space oddysey stuff! But who knows what is out there, U.F.O's don't automatically mean aliens...Cooper did a good talk on secret bases on the moon from a book N.A.S.A had put out in the 50's or 60's detailing satellite photographs taken of areas and there were structures that looked like buildings and places of worship etc...interesting stuff.

I think everyone is now in agreement that Cooper was a valuable assest to the patriot/anti-nwo and his work still stands up today. I think they are both bring sobomething different but as the two leading figures they clashed though fair play to Bill calling out Alex Jones for his Y2K show, and also BoBo Grites?? I think that is his how you spell his name not too sure. Also the JFK photo-expert , Bill went into detail why this guy is a phony and has no credentials as a photographic expert..which is worth reading it is found in his book....

anyway if your a fan of Bill, I'd say listen to Alan Watt's show on RBN it is pretty much in the same vain of Cooper's show...or even download from here:
http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savage/index.php?path=./billcooper/WILLIAM COOPER BROADCASTS BY YEAR (32kbps)
as i am doing now!!!