G7 False Flag Mumbai massacre...Official story is TOTAL BS! Hindu Undercover!

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Taj Mahal hotel owner: We had warning
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/india.hotel/?iref=mpstoryview
From Taylor Gandossy CNN

Not working now 

Might just be me.

[Biggs]

please bear in mind that this report comes from debka and is speculative in nature yet it does spell out potential consequences from this weeks attacks

Indian air and missile forces on war footing, Pakistani armored units diverted from Afghan border

DEBKAfile Special Report

November 30, 2008, 1:03 PM (GMT+02:00)

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5746

DEBKAfile's military sources report that on Sunday, Nov. 30, Asia's two nuclear powers, India and Pakistan, took their first steps towards a conventional war. India, claiming evidence of Pakistan's involvement in the Islamist terrorist assault on Mumbai, placed its air and missile units on war preparedness, while Pakistan, disclaiming the charge, diverted its armed divisions from the Afghan border to its frontier with India.

Military experts fear a full-blown war could spill over into combat with tactical nuclear weapons.

For the Indian government, the last straw was the admission by Azam Amir Kasab, aged 21, the only terrorist known to have been captured by Indian forces, that Lashkar e-Taiba was behind the assault which claimed 174 lives, injured hundreds and devastated India's financial capital.

This Kashmiri group has links to both al Qaeda and the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

From its outset on Wednesday, Nov. 26, the scale, coordination and clockwork targeting of the assault clearly betrayed the hand of a major national intelligence agency. Evidence also mounted that the attackers had reached Mumbai by boat from Karachi.

Five months ago, Taliban suicide killers attacked the Indian embassy in Kabul, claiming 60 lives including that of the Indian military attaché. The New Delhi government then found leads to Pakistan's clandestine service as the prime mover behind the outrage. Washington came up with the same proofs.

The Manmohan Singh government sees the Mumbai assault as a second, escalated Pakistani act of war-by-terror and cannot afford to avoid a strong, immediate response - particularly with a general election around the corner. If Singh braves the media and public howls for Pakistani blood and shows the same restraint as he did after the Kabul attack, he will lose his seat.

Domestic opinion is goading the New Delhi to act tough after what is perceived as the poor, slow and unprofessional performance of the police and special forces in quelling the terrorists. Indian commandoes were brought in 10 hours after the terrorists took over and it took them 60 hours to finally gain control of the three hostage sites Saturday, Nov. 29. Sunday, home minister Shivraj Patil resigned in response to the clamor followed by national security advisor MK Narayanan.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars and barely avoided a fourth in 2001.

President George Bush and his successor Barack Obama cannot hope for much headway in defusing Indian-Pakistan tension. With only a few weeks left in the White House, Bush does not have much leverage and Obama even less for pulling the two adversaries apart. While campaigning, the president-elect pledged to work to mend the fences between India and Pakistan and broker their Kashmir conflict. In the present climate, neither is looking for a mediator.

[David Rothscum]

please bear in mind that this report comes from debka and is speculative in nature yet it does spell out potential consequences from this weeks attacks

Indian air and missile forces on war footing, Pakistani armored units diverted from Afghan border

DEBKAfile Special Report

November 30, 2008, 1:03 PM (GMT+02:00)

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5746

DEBKAfile's military sources report that on Sunday, Nov. 30, Asia's two nuclear powers, India and Pakistan, took their first steps towards a conventional war. India, claiming evidence of Pakistan's involvement in the Islamist terrorist assault on Mumbai, placed its air and missile units on war preparedness, while Pakistan, disclaiming the charge, diverted its armed divisions from the Afghan border to its frontier with India.

Military experts fear a full-blown war could spill over into combat with tactical nuclear weapons.

For the Indian government, the last straw was the admission by Azam Amir Kasab, aged 21, the only terrorist known to have been captured by Indian forces, that Lashkar e-Taiba was behind the assault which claimed 174 lives, injured hundreds and devastated India's financial capital.

This Kashmiri group has links to both al Qaeda and the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

From its outset on Wednesday, Nov. 26, the scale, coordination and clockwork targeting of the assault clearly betrayed the hand of a major national intelligence agency. Evidence also mounted that the attackers had reached Mumbai by boat from Karachi.

Five months ago, Taliban suicide killers attacked the Indian embassy in Kabul, claiming 60 lives including that of the Indian military attaché. The New Delhi government then found leads to Pakistan's clandestine service as the prime mover behind the outrage. Washington came up with the same proofs.

The Manmohan Singh government sees the Mumbai assault as a second, escalated Pakistani act of war-by-terror and cannot afford to avoid a strong, immediate response - particularly with a general election around the corner. If Singh braves the media and public howls for Pakistani blood and shows the same restraint as he did after the Kabul attack, he will lose his seat.

Domestic opinion is goading the New Delhi to act tough after what is perceived as the poor, slow and unprofessional performance of the police and special forces in quelling the terrorists. Indian commandoes were brought in 10 hours after the terrorists took over and it took them 60 hours to finally gain control of the three hostage sites Saturday, Nov. 29. Sunday, home minister Shivraj Patil resigned in response to the clamor followed by national security advisor MK Narayanan.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars and barely avoided a fourth in 2001.

President George Bush and his successor Barack Obama cannot hope for much headway in defusing Indian-Pakistan tension. With only a few weeks left in the White House, Bush does not have much leverage and Obama even less for pulling the two adversaries apart. While campaigning, the president-elect pledged to work to mend the fences between India and Pakistan and broker their Kashmir conflict. In the present climate, neither is looking for a mediator.

This time DEBKA may actually be speaking the truth. Pakistan has moved troops from the frontier to the border with India:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24731282-601,00.html


PAKISTAN is withdrawing troops from the fight against al-Qa'ida and the Taliban to redeploy them to its border with India as tensions between the two nuclear-armed nations escalate over the terrorist massacre in Mumbai.

As the clean-up began after terrorists killed at least 195 people, including two Australians, the only gunman captured provided testimony of the operation's links to a Pakistan-based militant group, intelligence sources said yesterday.

Ajmal Amir Kamal, 21, whose clean-shaven face has become an enduring image of the attacks after he was caught on a CCTV camera wearing a Versace T-shirt, was interrogated in a safe house in Mumbai.

He identified all the attackers as Pakistani citizens and acknowledged that they were trained by Lashkar-e-Toiba, a militant group fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, reports said.

He confirmed the militants had come ashore in dinghies launched from a hijacked vessel whose crew had been killed, reports said.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari urged India not to "overreact" after Indian and US officials suggested the militants could have been from the Pakistan-based LET. The group was behind the deadly 2001 assault on the Indian parliament that pushed New Delhi and Islamabad to the brink of war.

"If something happens (amid the rising tensions with India), the war on terror cannot be our priority," a senior Pakistani official told a media briefing yesterday.

"We'll take everything from the western border (with Afghanistan - the main area of al-Qa'ida and Taliban activity). We won't leave anything there." Indian army sources said forces near Pakistan had been placed on a raised alert before a meeting that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh called with security chiefs in New Delhi today. Mr Zardari was meeting Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and his army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, amid fears that the Mumbai crisis had the potential for a replay of the 2001 standoff.

Dr Singh cancelled a meeting with Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in New Delhi over the weekend.

At the same time, Pakistan's army forced the country's civilian Government into an embarrassing about-face after it had earlier agreed to bow to Indian pressure and send the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency to New Delhi to help in the Mumbai investigation.

Mr Zardari and Mr Qureshi denied the assault was launched by terrorists trained and based in Pakistan. Conceding that the confrontation between the two nuclear-armed neighbours was extremely serious, Mr Qureshi called on India to ease the tension. "It is in Pakistan's interests and in India's interests to defuse the situation. Lowering of tension is essential.

"Finger-pointing or coming to hasty conclusions will play into the hands of the common enemy, that is, the terrorists."

India's Home Minister, the Government's most senior security official, last night quit the cabinet, becoming the first major scalp following the intelligence failure that led to the massacre.

The resignation of Shivraj Patil was followed by that of National Security Adviser MK Narayanan. Sources said other heads were expected to roll as the crisis within the Government deepened over what was the worst terrorist attack in India, and one which is being referred to as "India's 9/11".

Mr Patil, a powerful figure because of his closeness to India's supreme political leader, Italian-born Sonia Gandhi, had for months been under fire because of the growing number of terrorist attacks across the country. But until last night he had managed to cling to his position.

Public outrage over the Government's failure to get to grips with the issue of terrorism had, however, become too much for him to withstand.

Political analysts said that while the departure of Mr Patil would be widely welcomed, it was likely to do little to save the Government from severe criticism over its failures on the terrorism front - failures that many believe have the potential to drive it from office at elections due before May.

US President George W. Bush pledged full support to India as it investigated the attacks, saying the killers "will not have the final word". "The killers who struck this week are brutal and violent," Mr Bush said.

"But terror will not have the final word. The people of India are resilient. The people of India are strong. They have built a vibrant, multi-ethnic democracy. They can withstand this trial."

Additional reporting: AFP

[David Rothscum]

Mumbai attackers trained by special forces: Russian expert
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1210489

MOSCOW: A top Russian counter-terrorism expert on Sunday underlined that the Mumbai attackers were not "ordinary terrorists" and were probably trained by the special operations forces set up in Pakistan by the US intelligence prior to the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"The handwriting and character of the Mumbai events demonstrates that they were not ordinary terrorists," said Vladimir Klyukin, an Afghan war veteran.

"Behind this terrorist attack there are 'Green Flag' special operations forces, which were created by the Americans in Pakistan, just an year before the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, and in the initial period were under full US control," stressed Klyukin, a veteran of the special "Vympel" commando group of the former Soviet KGB.

He said for such guerrilla operations at least two-three years of preparatory work with the involvement of experienced instructors is required.

Klyukin did not rule out that the Mumbai attackers could have taken part in similar attacks in other regions.

"People from the streets, without any planning and training are simply not able to hold four big complexes in a city so long," Soviet special services veteran was quoted as saying by largest Russian Interfax news agency.

He also presumed that there were at least 50 attackers given the geography and scale of the strikes.

Klyukin lauded the "right" decision of the Indian authorities not to succumb to terrorist demands.

He, however, regretted that India lacks special anti-terror units similar to the Russian, Israeli, British or German.

Nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks in the Indian financial capital, hitting five-star hotels and other targets frequented by Westerners.

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I agree that special forces training was involved, not from the number of civilians they killed, they could have killed more given their firepower, but in terms of holding off Indian special forces and hundreds of armed police for up to 3 days clearly shows they really knew what they were doing, and how to draw soldiers into firefights that they could not win, setting up ambushes  and crossfires in corridors etc

I see any stand off like 2001 between India and Pakistan as being an excuse for rgeater US/NATO military attacks within NWFP/FATA areas. If Pakistan does draw down its troop numbers in NWFP as a response to an Indian military build up, then attacks in Afghanistan will go up and the US will start to more actively pursue targets across the Afghan/Pakistan border areas.

This whole scenario fits the 'target Pakistan' agenda so well, expanding the Afghan campaign into NWFP, this will of course lead to a far higher risk of full scale civil war in Pakistan, which is itself up there with war on Iran as a worst case outcome.

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I agree that special forces training was involved, not from the number of civilians they killed, they could have killed more given their firepower, but in terms of holding off Indian special forces and hundreds of armed police for up to 3 days clearly shows they really knew what they were doing, and how to draw soldiers into firefights that they could not win, setting up ambushes  and crossfires in corridors etc

I see any stand off like 2001 between India and Pakistan as being an excuse for rgeater US/NATO military attacks within NWFP/FATA areas. If Pakistan does draw down its troop numbers in NWFP as a response to an Indian military build up, then attacks in Afghanistan will go up and the US will start to more actively pursue targets across the Afghan/Pakistan border areas.

This whole scenario fits the 'target Pakistan' agenda so well, expanding the Afghan campaign into NWFP, this will of course lead to a far higher risk of full scale civil war in Pakistan, which is itself up there with war on Iran as a worst case outcome.

Exactly.

Most of these spectacles are diversionary moves made for TV(the public).

It's what happens shortly thereafter that is the real objective. 

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this supposed goal of killing 5,000 seems unrealistic and severely OTT to me, however, clearly they planned to kill more than they did and even if they had gotten to 500, 600 or more it would reasonably have been seen as a 9-11 type event in terms of scale with 9-11 type of consequences. In this regard hopefully the scum who ordered this destabilisation attack will quite possibly be a little disappointed.

'I was told to kill to my last breath': Captured terrorist's account of Mumbai massacre reveals plan was to kill 5,000

By Ian Gallagher
Last updated at 2:43 PM on 30th November 2008

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1090546/I-told-kill-breath-Captured-terrorists-account-Mumbai-massacre-reveals-plan-kill-5-000.html

The only terrorist captured alive after the Mumbai massacre has given police the first full account of the extraordinary events that led to it – revealing he was ordered to ‘kill until the last breath’.

Azam Amir Kasab, 21, from Pakistan, said the attacks were meticulously planned six months ago and were intended to kill 5,000 people.

He revealed that the ten terrorists, who were highly trained in marine assault and crept into the city by boat, had planned to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel after first executing British and American tourists and then taking hostages.
 
Azam Amir Kasab, the only terrorist to be captured alive, has confessed to being a member of Pakistani terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba
 
Destroyed: The charred interior of the the Taj Mahal hotel after the terrorists were finally stopped

Mercifully, the group, armed with plastic explosives, underestimated the strength of the
105-year-old building’s solid foundations.

As it is, their deadly attacks have left close to 200 confirmed dead, with the toll expected to rise to nearly 300 once the hotel has been fully searched by security forces.

Yesterday, Kasab chillingly went through details of Wednesday night’s killing spree across the city, which ended when he was cornered by police.

He pretended to be dead, which probably saved his life. It was only when he was being transferred to hospital by ambulance that his accompanying officer noticed he was still breathing.

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Monitor the Bullshit that make no sense whatsoever:

1 babyfaced terrorist caught alive (Total bullshit, at least 10 were caught alive)

2 Only 10 terrorists did this (Total bullshit, there were 50 to 100 terrorists that held back the entire Indian Army for over 60 hours)

3 No British involvement (Total bullshit, at least 7 were british and one was blonde)

4 Taj owner who was warned increased security (Total bullshit, there were control rooms and a back entrance left completely open. Also one of the chefs was in on the plan)

5 This attack is the new face of terror (Total bullshit, this was a G7/MI6 coordinated standard paramilitary operation meant to disrupt an area.  Any links to G7 have been removed and a lone 19 year old is left as the "lone gunman.")

6 These 10 "terrorists" all came ashore on the day of the attacks (Total bullshit, there were people on the inside of both hotels for possibly months and in the jewish home for 15 days)

Indan leadership has sold out their country by reiterating these total lies.

Over one billion people in India now live with the continual threat of numerous false flag G7/MI6 attacks where NO JUSTICE/INVESTIGATION will occur.

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For the next 60 days we will hear these lies repeated over and over again by the G7 controlled mediaopoly.

Get the raw footage to youtube where the facts still remain.

As they keep spouting bullshit, keep repeating the truth.

[Dig]

Did the U.S. Prep Georgia for War with Russia?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html
By Nathan Hodge August 08, 2008 | 12:52:00 PMCategories: Crazy Ivans   


Georgia and Russia are careening towards war. And the U.S. isn't exactly a detached observer in the fight. The American military has been training and equipping Georgian troops for years.

The news thus far: Georgia, which has been locked in a drone war over the separatist enclave of Abkhazia, has launched an offensive to reclaim another breakaway territory, South Ossetia. Latest reports indicate that Georgian forces are laying siege to Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. And Russia, which has backed the separatists, is sending in the tanks.

So why should we care? Oh, just the prospect of a larger regional war that could drag in Russia – and involve the United States as well. Since early 2002, the U.S. government has given a healthy amount of military aid to Georgia. When I last visited South Ossetia, Georgian troops manned a checkpoint outside Tskhinvali -- decked out in surplus U.S. Army uniforms and new body armor.

The first U.S. aid came under the rubric of the Georgia Train and Equip Program (ostensibly to counter alleged Al Qaeda influence in the Pankisi Gorge); then, under the Sustainment and Stability Operations Program. Georgia returned the favor, committing thousands of troops to the multi-national coalition in Iraq. Last fall, the Georgians doubled their contingent, making them the third-largest contributor to the coalition. Not bad for a nation of 4.6 million people.

Leaving aside the question of Russian interference (see below), the larger concern has been that Georgia might be tempted to use its newfound military prowess to resolve domestic conflicts by force.

As Sergei Shamba, the foreign affairs minister of Abkhazia, told me in 2006: “The Georgians are euphoric because they have been equipped, trained, that they have gained military experience in Iraq. It feeds this revanchist mood… How can South Ossetia be demilitarized, when all of Georgia is bristling with weaponry, and it’s only an hour’s ride by tank from Tbilisi to Tskhinvali?”

One of the U.S. military trainers put it to me a bit more bluntly. “We’re giving them the knife,” he said. “Will they use it?”

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Who gave these "terrorists" the knives?

More information including Israel training of Georgian troops:

Georgian minister tells Israel Radio: Thanks to Israeli training, we're fending off Russian military
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010225.html

[voodo0]

Mumbai attackers trained by special forces: Russian expert

MOSCOW: A top Russian counter-terrorism expert on Sunday underlined that the Mumbai attackers were not "ordinary terrorists" and were probably

trained by the special operations forces set up in Pakistan by the US intelligence prior to the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"The handwriting and character of the Mumbai events demonstrates that they were not ordinary terrorists," said Vladimir Klyukin, an Afghan war veteran.

"Behind this terrorist attack there are 'Green Flag' special operations forces, which were created by the Americans in Pakistan, just an year before the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, and in the initial period were under full US control," stressed Klyukin, a veteran of the special "Vympel" commando group of the former Soviet KGB.

He said for such guerrilla operations at least two-three years of preparatory work with the involvement of experienced instructors is required.

Klyukin did not rule out that the Mumbai attackers could have taken part in similar attacks in other regions.

"People from the streets, without any planning and training are simply not able to hold four big complexes in a city so long," Soviet special services veteran was quoted as saying by largest Russian Interfax news agency.

He also presumed that there were at least 50 attackers given the geography and scale of the strikes.

Klyukin lauded the "right" decision of the Indian authorities not to succumb to terrorist demands.

He, however, regretted that India lacks special anti-terror units similar to the Russian, Israeli, British or German.

Nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks in the Indian financial capital, hitting five-star hotels and other targets frequented by Westerners.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai_attackers_trained_by_special_forces/articleshow/3776704.cms

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Foreign SIM cards, fake IDs from Bangladesh

Foreign SIM cards, fake IDs from Bangladesh
30 Nov 2008, 1637 hrs IST, TIMESOFINDIA.COM
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NEW DELHI: In the fresh leads from the Mumbai terror attack investigation, Intelligence sources say they intercepted conversation between

Muzammil, Muzaffarabad chief of LeT operations, and a certain Yahya in Bangladesh.

Yahya arranged SIM cards, fake ID-cards primarily from western countries like Mauritius, UK, US, Australia. A Mauritian identity card was found on one of the terrorists shot down.

The satellite phone found on the MV Kuber also has shown that calls were made to Jalalabad. These calls were traced to Zakir Ur Rehman, a chief of training of the LeT.

Intelligence sources have also revealed that in the second week of July, intelligence officials knew about 25 terrorists training in the Pakistan village of Durbari Mitho, and that an ISI agent was also involved in the training.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Foreign_SIM_cards_fake_IDs_from_Bangladesh_/articleshow/3776197.cms

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Mumbai toll to top 300: authorities


The death toll from the Mumbai massacre continues to climb, inching toward 200 with a final tally to exceed 300 according to Indian authorities:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/mumbai_toll_to_top_300_authori.html

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Navy denies reports that it had been given 'specific' inputs


Media reports after the recent terror strikes in Mumbai suggested that Navy was warned in advance by central intelligence agencies about terrorist's plan to launch attacks through sea route.


http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/42BFB9FBF44372CF652575110056E6DA?OpenDocument

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The Israeli Mossad False Flag Opperation Strikes In Mumbai

The Anti Defamation Leauge expressed outrage at the Mumbai ‘terrorist’ attacks that “targeted innocent victims because they were Jews.” Abraham Foxman, ADL Director, issued the following statement:
“This brutal attack once again shows that terrorists single out Jews. The attack is a reminder that the world must stand up against all terrorism, because in the end no one is safe until terrorism is combated in all its manifestations.” View Entire Story Here.

Well of course Jews like Foxman use the Mumbai incident as an opportunity to promote the ‘war on terror.’ Once again, Muslims are made the ‘enemies’ of all mankind, rather than the Zionist Jews, who are engaged in ethnic cleansing of Arab Muslims & Christians in Palestine and responsible for world wide chaos since the inception of their rogue state of Israel.

Also - the ‘terrorist’ attacks in Mumbai will be used by Zionist Jews as justification for a US invasion of Pakistan, yet another ‘enemy’ of Israel.

The Mumbai operation was too sophisticated for the alleged Deccan Mujahideen to carry out, which, according to the FBI, “e-mailed news organizations on Thursday claiming it had carried out the attacks.” (Great proof, you sleuths!)

The initial firing began at the Chabad/Nariman House, an easy access for Mossad operatives. Hindus of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels saying that for two years suspicious activities were taking place in the Chabad/Nariman House, raising concern regarding Israel’s involvement in the Hindutva Revolution, the current opposition government.

MOSSAD ACTIVITY IN INDIA

ISRAELI COUNTER-TERRORISM ASSISTANCE has mobilized since 2000 in the Jammu and Kashmir areas of India, where the Indian government has been pursuing a ‘security’ issue with regard to the Kashmiri people. In 2000, The Times Of India reported on the Israeli presence in India:

“Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi’s security needs.

The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official.” View Entire Story Here.

The Israelis were asked to determine the areas in which Israel could offer assistance to help reduce the incidence of terrorist incursions into Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan. It was agreed that Israeli assistance would include “information transfers, instruction in operational methods, and the sale of equipment.”

Home Minister Advani already visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated for “closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters.” Much of his time in Israel was spent learning about counter-terrorism techniques from the heads of the Mossad. View Entire Story Here.

The Jewish-controlled media has been spewing the lie that a massive intelligence failure by Indian security agencies occurred — despite reports that Indian authorities had been aware of rumors of an impending attack, including even the mention of the Taj Mahal Hotel. N Kapner

http://www.daily.pk/world/asia/8383-the-israeli-mossad-false-flag-opperation-strikes-in-mumbai.html

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Mumbai's Taj Hotel was warned of attack
In the wake of deadly attacks, India increases security to 'war level', says minister 
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=800427&lang=eng_news
Agencies
Page 3
2008-12-01 12:48 AM 

The management of the Taj Hotel in Mumbai was warned it was a possible target, but increased security measures were eased shortly before the devastating militant attack, its owner said yesterday. Ratan Tata said the extra protection, which kept cars away from the hotel's front entrance, would not have prevented the assault.

"If I look at what we had ... it could not have stopped what took place," Tata told CNN.

"It's ironic that we did have such a warning, and we did have some measures," said Tata, chairman of the Tata Group which owns the Taj hotel chain.

"People couldn't park their cars in the portico, where you had to go through a metal detector," he said, without giving further details. Tata said the attackers entered through the back of the hotel.

"They knew what they were doing, and they did not go through the front. All of our arrangements are in the front," he said.

"The first thing they did, they shot a sniffer dog and his handler," he added. "There seems to have been a lot of pre-planning."

Tata said emergency services had been badly hampered during the crisis, with firefighters taking three hours to arrive when fires broke out.

The Taj's general manager lost his whole family in the attacks but was determined that it would re-open as a tribute to them and a sign the militants had not won, Tata said.

Increased security

In the wake of deadly attacks in Mumbai, India will increase security in the country and on its borders to a "war level", a government minister said yesterday.

"Our intelligence will be increased to a war level, we are asking the state governments to increase security to a war level," Sriprakash Jaiswal, India's minister for state for home affairs, said in an interview.

India said yesterday it had proof of a Pakistani link to the Mumbai attacks, while officials in Islamabad said it would move troops to the Indian border if tensions between the nuclear-armed rivals spilled over.

India has already boosted coastal security with the Indian Navy and the coast guard carrying out coordination patrols.

At least 174 people were massacred in the rampage carried out by gunmen at 10 sites across Mumbai starting Wednesday night. One site, the Cafe Leopold opened for the first time since the attacks yesterday afternoon.

The death toll was revised down yesterday from 195 after authorities said some bodies were counted twice, but they said it could rise again as areas of the Taj Mahal were still being searched.

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Pakistan moves army from terror front to India border
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24731282-25837,00.html
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | December 01, 2008
Article from:  The Australian
 
PAKISTAN is withdrawing troops from the fight against al-Qa'ida and the Taliban to redeploy them to its border with India as tensions between the two nuclear-armed nations escalate over the terrorist massacre in Mumbai.

As the clean-up began after terrorists killed at least 195 people, including two Australians, the only gunman captured provided testimony of the operation's links to a Pakistan-based militant group, intelligence sources said yesterday.

Ajmal Amir Kamal, 21, whose clean-shaven face has become an enduring image of the attacks after he was caught on a CCTV camera wearing a Versace T-shirt, was interrogated in a safe house in Mumbai.

He identified all the attackers as Pakistani citizens and acknowledged that they were trained by Lashkar-e-Toiba, a militant group fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, reports said.

He confirmed the militants had come ashore in dinghies launched from a hijacked vessel whose crew had been killed, reports said.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari urged India not to "overreact" after Indian and US officials suggested the militants could have been from the Pakistan-based LET. The group was behind the deadly 2001 assault on the Indian parliament that pushed New Delhi and Islamabad to the brink of war.

"If something happens (amid the rising tensions with India), the war on terror cannot be our priority," a senior Pakistani official told a media briefing yesterday.

"We'll take everything from the western border (with Afghanistan - the main area of al-Qa'ida and Taliban activity). We won't leave anything there." Indian army sources said forces near Pakistan had been placed on a raised alert before a meeting that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh called with security chiefs in New Delhi today. Mr Zardari was meeting Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and his army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, amid fears that the Mumbai crisis had the potential for a replay of the 2001 standoff.

Dr Singh cancelled a meeting with Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in New Delhi over the weekend.

At the same time, Pakistan's army forced the country's civilian Government into an embarrassing about-face after it had earlier agreed to bow to Indian pressure and send the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency to New Delhi to help in the Mumbai investigation.

Mr Zardari and Mr Qureshi denied the assault was launched by terrorists trained and based in Pakistan. Conceding that the confrontation between the two nuclear-armed neighbours was extremely serious, Mr Qureshi called on India to ease the tension. "It is in Pakistan's interests and in India's interests to defuse the situation. Lowering of tension is essential.

"Finger-pointing or coming to hasty conclusions will play into the hands of the common enemy, that is, the terrorists."

India's Home Minister, the Government's most senior security official, last night quit the cabinet, becoming the first major scalp following the intelligence failure that led to the massacre.

The resignation of Shivraj Patil was followed by that of National Security Adviser MK Narayanan. Sources said other heads were expected to roll as the crisis within the Government deepened over what was the worst terrorist attack in India, and one which is being referred to as "India's 9/11".

Mr Patil, a powerful figure because of his closeness to India's supreme political leader, Italian-born Sonia Gandhi, had for months been under fire because of the growing number of terrorist attacks across the country. But until last night he had managed to cling to his position.

Public outrage over the Government's failure to get to grips with the issue of terrorism had, however, become too much for him to withstand.

Political analysts said that while the departure of Mr Patil would be widely welcomed, it was likely to do little to save the Government from severe criticism over its failures on the terrorism front - failures that many believe have the potential to drive it from office at elections due before May.

US President George W. Bush pledged full support to India as it investigated the attacks, saying the killers "will not have the final word". "The killers who struck this week are brutal and violent," Mr Bush said.

"But terror will not have the final word. The people of India are resilient. The people of India are strong. They have built a vibrant, multi-ethnic democracy. They can withstand this trial."

[lazyhorse]

“I would not want to be drawn into early conclusions...”

"It's too early to draw a conclusion..."

[Dig]

Gordon Brown and Indian Officials:

"I do not want to draw any early conclusions...BUT IT WAS NOT US!!!!"

[Dig]

Ratan Tata and Rothschild Connection?

How Ratan Tata turned the country's oldest conglomerate into a global force BY ALEX PERRY
http://www.tatasteel.com/asps/show_news.asp?newsId=594&page=1
(TIME Asia Magazine   Published on  19/06/2006)

You wouldn't expect the head of Tata group, India's largest conglomerate, to say the rich are boring. But Ratan Tata comes close. Acting rich doesn't interest him. "I've never had the desire to own a yacht, to flaunt," he says. "It's not really [the point]." Nor does the Prada-wearing class excite him as a marketing opportunity. China and India, with their growing ranks of tycoons, should attract multinational businesses not because of the spare million in a few fat wallets, he argues, but because of the spare change in a billion slim ones. "Everyone is catering to the top of the pyramid," says the 68-year-old at his office in Bombay House, Tata group's elegant Edwardian headquarters in India's business capital. "The challenge we've given to all our companies is to address a different market. Pare your margins. Create new markets."

The Tata group's global clout means its chairman's thoughts on the world economy are worth listening to. The group comprises 93 companies, including the world's second largest tea business (Tata Tea); Asia's largest software firm (Tata Consultancy Services); a steel giant (Tata Steel); a worldwide hotel chain (Indian Hotels); and a sprawling vehicle-manufacturing arm (Tata Motors) that includes a bicycle factory in Zambia and a project to make a car selling for $2,200. Since Ratan Tata became chairman in 1991, he has multiplied Tata group revenues seven times to an annual $21.7 billion. Since 2000, the group's market value has jumped 14 times to $39.9 billion. And over the past six years Tata has been on a $1.9 billion acquisition spree that has netted Britain's Tetley Tea, South Korea's Daewoo Commercial Vehicles, Singapore's NatSteel and New York's The Pierre hotel, among 14 others. "Nothing succeeds like success," says Sanjay Bhandarkar, managing director of N.M. Rothschild in India. "All credit goes to Ratan Tata. He clearly has a vision and knows what he's doing."

Tata is one of Asia's most influential businessmen. And perhaps more than any other company, Tata group exemplifies India's metamorphosis into a modern economy. For much of their 138-year history, the Tata family companies were the heart of India's insular business establishment—the last business group you'd have turned to for radical thinking, or owning anything abroad. The group's founder, J.N. Tata, was a nationalist driven by the idea of a strong, self-reliant India. He gave the country its first steel plant, first hydroelectric plant, first textile mill, first shipping line, first cement factory, first science university, even its first world-class hotel. His successors—among them J.R.D. Tata, India's first pilot—created the first airline, first motor company, first bank and first chemical plant.

But after independence in 1947, the group came to symbolize all that was bad about Indian business. It lost its airline and insurance arm to nationalization. To avoid giving up more to the Congress Party socialists who ruled India for half a century, J.R.D. Tata, a distant cousin of Ratan Tata, emphasized individual companies over the group, keeping the conglomerate's stakes small and demanding little coordination. Meanwhile, shielded from competition by the restrictive bureaucracy of the "license Raj," Tata's companies became bloated and calcified. "We weren't driving ourselves hard enough in a protected environment," says Ratan Tata.

Ratan took over from J.R.D. in 1991. India was beginning economic reforms, and, with state-sponsored monopolies on the way out, the new chairman saw the need to overhaul the firm's culture. He raised the conglomerate's stake in all its companies to a minimum 26%. And he ordered each to meet performance targets—to be first or second in its industry, and to meet quantified goals for leadership and innovation—or be sold. Most shaped up. Tata Steel, for example, shed half its 78,000 workers between 1994 and 2005 using retirement and voluntary redundancies to lower costs and boost productivity. "The Tata group's relationship with its employees changed from the patriarchal to the practical," reads the Tata Code of Honor, which sets group-wide standards of conduct. Subir Gokarn, chief economist at ratings agency Crisil, says Ratan Tata read the runes of change and largely avoided the rash of business failures in India that followed reform: "He survived the bloodbath. Those who made no changes became extinct."

After nine years of consolidation and streamlining, Tata signaled a new prominence for the emerging Asia conglomerate in 2000 when the most Indian of brands bought one of the most English, Tetley Tea. At $435 million, the deal was the biggest in Indian history, and it presaged a wave of international expansion by Indian and Chinese businesses like Mittal Steel and Lenovo. For Tata, entering the West was not an end in itself. Buying Tetley was simply a way to grow Tata Tea. "We look for the acquisition of companies that fill a product gap or have a strategic connection with what we do, wherever that company might be," says Tata. Says Rothschild's Bhandarkar: "Other Indian groups look at things opportunistically. Tata is the only one with an international strategy." If the group has a geographical tilt, it is towards the developing world. And that's based on a business approach that has not changed since its foundation.

The son of a Parsi trader from Bombay, group founder Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata knew how to turn a profit. But J.N. also had a patrician vision of spreading wealth and lifting a nation. In a 1902 letter to his son about building a workers' city around his Tata Steel works, he deplored the squalor of industrial England and anticipated what would become a standard for urban planning: "Be sure to lay wide streets planted with shady trees, every other of a quick-growing variety. Be sure that there is plenty of space for lawns and gardens." After his death in 1904, the city took his name, becoming Jamshedpur. Tata Steel introduced a series of worker benefits that would become common only much later in the West, such as the eight-hour working day in 1912, maternity benefits in 1928 and profit-sharing in 1934. Today Jamshedpur, with free housing, free hospitals and free schools, sports stadiums and clean streets, remains the envy of the country. In 2004, the U.N. chose it—along with Melbourne and San Francisco—as one of six examples of urban-planning excellence.

J.N. Tata's ideals survive today. Tata Sons, the holding company that manages the group, is 65.8% owned by 11 charitable trusts, which spent $379.2 million on social causes in 2003-04 alone. Over the following 12 months, Tata companies donated another $97.8 million. Beneficiaries range from a host of Tata educational, health and scientific institutes that dot India to the Ganges River's giant mahseer fish, saved from extinction by a Tata-funded breeding program.

The group's corporate piety extends to the boss' pay. Though the business house carries his name, Ratan Tata merely draws a salary from Tata Sons. And while hardly poor, he takes personal modesty seriously. Tall, guarded and retaining the outsider's accent he picked up in an earlier life as a trainee architect in the U.S., he is famously private. He lives with his two German shepherds, Tito and Tango, in the same second-floor apartment in Bombay that he has kept for 20 years. He is one floor below his stepmother, and neighbors say they have never known him to throw a party. His one indulgence apart from his dogs—he is frequently spotted muddying his pinstripes as he plays with them in a park near his home—is a collection of cars. Apparently embarrassed by the extravagance, he excuses his interest as stemming from a love of design, not show. "I drive them periodically," he says, "and then back to the garage."

What really excites Tata is his ability to combine the group's philanthropic heritage with modern business sense. Targeting the bottom of the income pyramid—a lot of people with a little, rather than a few with a lot—ticks both boxes. It's almost as if he's reciting from last year's hit book, C.K. Prahalad's The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid—Eradicating Poverty Through Profits. Tata points out that consumption, as it is understood in the West, is still a dream for all but a fraction of 3 billion people in the developing world. Only 58 million Indians, out of the country's 1.1 billion population, earn more than $4,400 a year, according to Delhi's National Council of Applied Economic Research. The challenge is to make consumers out of people whose disposable income would be pocket money for many American children.

One of Tata's answers is the $2,200 car, a four-door, rear-engine runabout that he designed himself and that is currently under development (he aims to sell a million of them a year in India after its release in 2008). Another is the Ace, a 700cc truck that Tata Motors sells for less than $5,000 and, since its launch in southern India in May 2005, has accounted for two-thirds of all trucks sold domestically. Purchases of these vehicles are supported by low-interest consumer loans from Tata Finance. Following the same model, Tata's hotel chain is building 200 hotels across India under the brand Ginger, offering rooms with wireless Internet access, air conditioning and ensuite bathrooms for 1,000 rupees ($22), a fifth of the cost of a room paid by budget business travelers in India today. Tata is also eyeing low-cost housing.

That same desire to market to, and invest in, some of the world's poorest countries is behind Tata's affinity for Bangladesh and Africa. Tata group recently finalized a $3 billion power, steel and coal deal in Bangladesh, the biggest investment in that country's history. In South Africa, the group has investments in mining, tourism and engine manufacturing. There is an instant-coffee plant in Uganda, a bus factory in Senegal and a phosphate plant in Morocco. "We look at countries where we can play a role in development," says Tata. "Our hope in each is to create an enterprise that looks like a local company, but happens to be owned by a company in India."

Tata says the group's success proves his approach is good business, as well as good karma: "We are not in anything for charity." And lest this all sounds too good to be true, the group is not free from controversy. In 2001, Tata Finance sacked its managing director and five other senior managers over alleged financial irregularities. In January, Tata Steel's plans to build a mill in the eastern state of Orissa went tragically awry when police fired on protesters who were accusing the state government—acting as a broker in the development—of making profits on the sale of their land. Twelve were killed. But to shed 40,000 employees at Jamshedpur, Tata Steel offered to pay their current salaries until retirement age along with free health care for life, and allowed them to keep their company houses for three years. Initiatives like these have kept the group free of strikes and other industrial actions for 77 years.

After 15 years as chairman, Tata is thinking of retiring. Asked how he would spend his days, he says he gave up golf long ago and has almost no free time outside the business. On rare evenings off, he says he takes a half-hour boat ride across Bombay harbor to a small, scruffy beach house. "It seldom had power, so I had to put in a small generator," he says. "It's quiet and away from everywhere. There is a town and there are neighbors, but I go quietly on my own. I walk the beach and I read and I think about what I should do." It's not how you conventionally picture a tycoon's life. That's his point.

[Dig]

Ratan Tata (who was warned of the attack) is known as the Rockefeller of India.

He is compared to the Heinz family and praised by Rothschild interests.

He is a partner of Tata-AIG who holds 65% of the insurance policy of the Taj.

How can an owner of a hotel also own the insurance company that insures the hotel?

And he was warned but did not take very compelling action.

Doesn't this strike anyone as odd?

[Dig]

Was this a rite of passage for Tata to be included in the realm of a Rockefeller/Rothschild as the leader of a major NWO corporation?

Arundhati Roy excoriates the Tatas
http://www.zimbio.com/World+Politics/articles/1842/Building+Hindu+Muslim+Unity+Reversing+Religious
Sept. 25th, 08

The Tatas, who until just a few years ago were trying to be the sort of good-uncle corporation, have now decided to go aggressive and enter the world market big time. So, for example, they signed an MOU, memorandum of understanding, with the Chhattisgarh government for the mining of iron ore. And within days, not by coincidence I’m sure, was the announcement of what’s known as the Salva Judum, a people’s militia, which purportedly is a spontaneous movement that sprang up to fight the menace of the Maoists. Salva Judum is armed by the government. Something like four hundred villages have been evacuated and moved into police camps. Chhattisgarh is in a situation of sort of civil war, which is exactly what happened in Colombia. And while our eyes are on this supposed civil war, obviously the mining, the minerals, everything can be just taken away.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Want to be heard in India? You'd better form a militia
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/23/asia/letter.php
October 23, 2008

[...]

Tata, an Indian conglomerate, decided not long ago to build the world's lowest-cost car in West Bengal State. It got into a land dispute. Good arguments surfaced on each side. But arguments matter ever less. Goaded by yet another state politician without a majority, activists besieged the Tata plant, pelted stones at journalists and threatened workers. Tata left the state.

In an open letter to West Bengal citizens last week, Ratan Tata, chairman of the group, wrote that they face a choice between "a prosperous state with the rule of law" and "a destructive political environment of confrontation, agitation, violence and lawlessness."

[Dig]

Some incredible insights into the geopolitical implications of India joining the G7's plan of a Brave New World...

(Note: this site does not hold back and may include some very controversial information-but it provides highly detailed info concerning Hindu extremism in India)

Arundhati Roy on “Brave New India”
http://rupeenews.com/2008/10/10/arundhati-roy-on-%e2%80%9cbrave-new-india%e2%80%9d/
Posted on October 10, 2008 by ishakhan


More: http://rupeenews.com/2008/03/24/india-as-a-world-power-part-1/

[Brocke]

Riots leave 13 dead in Pakistan

From correspondents in Karachi
Agence France-Presse
December 01, 2008 02:50am

AT least 13 people were killed and more than 70 injured when activists from rival political parties clashed in Pakistan's largest city Karachi. Troops were authorised to use guns to quell the violence as members of the ruling coalition party Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) clashed with the Pashtun nationalist Awami National Party.

"In different incidents of firing by rioters, 13 people have been killed and dozens of others injured,'' Karachi police chief Waseem Ahmed said.

The rioters set shops on fire at the city's Timber Market and also torched push-carts in other areas of the city, witnesses said.

Doctors at Karachi's main state-run hospital said they had seen 77 people wounded in the riots since late on Saturday.

The provincial government has deployed about 800 paramilitary rangers in the sensitive areas to help police control the situation, but intermittent gunfire continued in different parts of Karachi today.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24731928-23109,00.html

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/30/mumbai-terror-attacks-india3
WHETHER WE BELIEVE THIS STORY OR NOT, TERRORIST CLAIMS THE TERRORISTS WERE FROM PAKISTAN OR THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN PAKISTAN.

Randeep Ramesh and Vikram Dodd in Mumbai, Jason Burke in Islamabad, and Peter Beaumont
guardian.co.uk, Sunday November 30 2008 00.01 GMT
The Observer, Sunday November 30 2008
Article history


Tensions between India and Pakistan escalated last night after it was claimed that the only terrorist to have survived three days of deadly battles in Mumbai was from Pakistan, and that his nine fellow Islamist militants were either from that country or had been trained there.

The claims about responsibility for the attack, in which almost 200 people were killed, came from leaked police accounts that gave details of the interrogation of Azam Amir Kasab, 21, said to have been the man pictured at Mumbai's main train station carrying an assault rifle and grenades.

According to the reports, which could not be independently verified, Kasab said that the operation was the responsibility of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a jihadist group based in Pakistan, and its aim was to 'kill as many as possible' in what was intended to be India's 9/11. The claims were made as Indian special forces ended the violent sieges around Mumbai with the killing of the final three terrorists holding out in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel - where British survivors had walked through rooms strewn with bodies and 'blood and guts' as they were led to safety.

The allegations about Pakistan emerged as India was confronted with the full horror of the past few days. Reporters were allowed into the wrecked and scorched remains of the Taj Mahal and Trident-Oberoi hotels, where scores of victims had been murdered.

Public anger in India has been mounting following allegations linking Pakistan to the attacks. They include:

• Kasab's claim that militants were trained in two camps run by Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan.

• Allegations that phones found on a trawler suspected of ferrying the gunmen to Mumbai had been used to contact Pakistan.

• The claim by India's minister of state for home affairs, Sri Prakash Jaiswal, that 'the investigation carried out so far has revealed the hand of Pakistan-based groups in the Mumbai attack'.

In response to the claim that the attackers were either Pakistanis or had been trained there, a senior Pakistani official said troops would be sent to the border if tensions continued to rise.

However, despite initial claims, it became increasingly certain that there was no involvement of British-based fundamentalists. Police forces across the UK denied they were investigating named individuals and Gordon Brown said there was no evidence linking any of the terrorist to the UK.

The escalating war of words between India and Pakistan has set alarm bells ringing in the United States, where President Bush convened an emergency meeting with senior security officials. President-elect Barack Obama, who has said that reconciliation between the nuclear-armed neighbours is essential to stabilise Afghanistan and defeat al-Qaeda, called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday night to offer condolences.

The cold-blooded intent of the militants has shaken India. Officials said just 10 gunmen, with enough arms and ammunition 'to kill 5,000 people', had attacked the Taj, the Trident-Oberoi, the main railway station, a popular restaurant and a cinema. In the siege of a Jewish centre, which was retaken by security forces on Friday night, the militants had bound and shot five people, including a rabbi and his wife, before they were killed.

A handful of gunmen held out for almost three days, taking hundreds of people hostage, many of them Westerners. Twenty-two of those killed were foreigners. Last night emergency services raised the prospect that many - including three Britons - were still missing from the Taj.

The gunmen set the 105-year-old hotel ablaze as they evaded scores of India's best-trained commandos. They left bodies with grenades stuffed into their mouths.

The photograph of a baby-faced militant, whom newspaper reports claim is Kasab, wearing combat trousers and swinging an AK47 in Mumbai's main railway station, is the defining image of the rampage. His victims are said to include Mumbai's anti-terror squad chief Hemant Karkare, whose body was cremated yesterday.

Under questioning, Kasab is said to have admitted to being a resident of Faridkot in Pakistan's Punjab province. 'I was trained by Lashkar-e-Taiba and asked to cause maximum casualties in Mumbai,' he is alleged to have said, referring to an organisation which India says is sending armed militants into Kashmir. Kasab was arrested on Wednesday night after his partner, said to be Ismail Khan, was shot dead.

The duo's night began when they fired on commuters in the railway station and in two hospitals. Kasab told police that they had learnt about Mumbai's geography using Google Earth.

According to Indian media reports, the captured militant said that a room booked in the Taj had been used to store explosives and ammunition ahead of the attacks. This might explain how the squads of gunmen were able to reload their weapons over more than 50 hours and appeared to have an inexhaustible supply of grenades.

Asif Ali Zardari, the President of Pakistan, yesterday appeared on Indian television in an attempt to defuse tensions. 'As President of Pakistan, if any evidence comes of any individual or group in any part of my country, I shall take the swiftest action in the light of evidence and in front of the world,' he said.

Analysts said that the omens did not look good for the peace process between India and Pakistan. 'I expect a very difficult time ahead,' said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. 'Anything short of a real and genuine effort to co-operate by Pakistan would send very, very bad signals - not just to India but to the US and to Europe too.'

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/nov/28/mumbai-terror-attacks-pakistan


Mumbai attacks: 'It's war' declares Indian press
The world's media reflect on the terrorist attacks in Mumbai

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"It's war," declares the editorial in the Times of India. "The scale, intensity and level of orchestration of terror attacks in Mumbai put one thing beyond doubt: India is effectively at war and it has deadly enemies in its midst." Its coverage draws parallels with the September 11 attacks and says the attacks are in part a consequence of the war on terror.

But it urges Indians not to blame Muslims. "Terrorists have no religion. Political bickering on this issue is divisive; what India needs now is unity."

A New York Times correspondent is sending on-the-spot updates from his BlackBerry. The story is being updated by hundreds of Twitter feeds by users including mumbaifeed, primaveron and CharlieKalech.

"Twitter comes of age," declares the Guardian.

The attacks are extensively covered all over the world as confusion surrounds the details of the various sieges and the number of people killed, injured and still held hostage.

The Jerusalem Post reports of the "terrible wait" for news of Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his Israeli colleagues in the Jewish centre.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that two Australians are among the dead.

All of the British newspapers carry stories of the killing of the British hostage Andreas Liveras. He was shot after telling the BBC that "everybody is just living on their nerves", reports the Sun.

The Guardian carries a gripping account of a night of terror by Andrew Bettina, a hostage who was rescued from the Taj Mahal hotel. "How do you make a text message mean something when you're shaking so much you can't press the buttons?" he writes.

Who were the terrorists?

Writing in the Guardian, Jason Burke reckons the group only has a marginal link to al-Qaida. Burke's Indian diplomatic sources pointed the finger at Pakistan, but he says home-grown militants are the prime suspects.

The BBC's security correspondent, Gordon Corea, doubts al-Qaida was involved. "While the attack was highly organised, it was not necessarily that advanced in terms of technology, with automatic weapons and grenades. It had more the look of a small-scale guerrilla war than a typical al-Qaeda attack."

What will happen to diplomatic relations between India and Pakistan?

The Financial Times leads with the Indian prime minister, Manmohan Singh, pointing the finger at Pakistan.

Pakistan denies involvement, the FT notes.

The Economist says: "If Indian suspicions again point to a Pakistani involvement, the slow thawing of relations between the two hostile neighbours will revert to the deep freeze."

Pakistan's Dawn newspaper urges India not to rush to judgment. "Although one can understand the anger and concern which is widely felt, one would still advise the exercise of constraint in this hour of crisis."

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[Optimus]

Ratan Tata (who was warned of the attack) is known as the Rockefeller of India.

He is compared to the Heinz family and praised by Rothschild interests.

He is a partner of Tata-AIG who holds 65% of the insurance policy of the Taj.

How can an owner of a hotel also own the insurance company that insures the hotel?

And he was warned but did not take very compelling action.

Doesn't this strike anyone as odd?

He sounds like another silverstein. The one thing that's missing is the taj didn't collapse within it's own footprint so tata won't be on PBS saying 'we decided to pull it'.

[mrwise]

Apologies if this was already posted but:

Indian "Homeland Security Dep't" will now be created ... called the "Federal Investigation Agency (FIA)":
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_to_set_up_federal_spy_agency_PM/articleshow/3776682.cms

Govt to set up federal spy agency: PM
30 Nov 2008,
 
NEW DELHI: In the wake of Mumbai terror attacks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Sunday said the government has decided to set up a Federal  
Investigation Agency (FIA), strengthen air and maritime security and create four NSG hubs in various parts of the country.

Sharing the country's "anger and outrage" over the Mumbai attacks, he appealed to parties to rise above political considerations to meet the challenge unitedly.

"Terrorists and enemies of our nation must know that their actions unite rather than divide us," he said in his opening remarks at the all party meeting convened by him to discuss the situation arising out of the terror strikes.

Describing the attacks as "different" from the previous terror strikes, Singh said "in the face of this national threat and in the aftermath of this national tragedy, all of us from different political parties must rise above narrow political considerations and stand united.

"We should work together in the interest of the country at this critical juncture."

He said the parties should build a consensus on what needs to be done to strengthen the ability of the system to meet these threats.

"The terrorists and enemies of our nation must know that their actions unite rather than divide us," the Prime Minister said at the meeting from which leader of the opposition L K Advani, BJP president Rajnath Singh and Shiv Sena stayed away.

He hoped that the political parties would be able to give a collective assurance to the nation that, across the political spectrum, "we stand together at this hour."

Maintaining that the government shared the hurt of the people and their sense of anger and outrage, Singh said several measures are already in place to deal with the situation.

"But clearly much more needs to be done and we are determined to take all necessary measures to overhaul the system," he said.

"We have finalised a set of legal measures based on the recommendations of the Administrative Reforms Commission which includes the setting up of a FIA," Singh said.

The Prime Minister said the government would further strengthen maritime and air security for which measures have been initiated. This will involve the Navy, the Coast Guard and the coastal police, as well as the Air Force and the civil aviation ministry.

"The anti-terrorist forces of the country will be further strengthened and streamlined. The National Security Guard, which is the principal anti-terrorist force of the country, will be given additional facilities and the size of the force is being augmented," he said.
 
Steps have also been initiated to establish another four NSG hubs in different parts of the country. Additionally, the special forces at the  
disposal of the Centre would be appropriately utilised in counter insurgency operations.

The Prime Minister said the country has had terrorist attacks in the past too.

"But this attack was different. It was an attack by highly trained and well-armed terrorists targeting our largest city. They came with the explicit aim of killing large numbers of innocent civilians, including foreign visitors. They sought to destroy some of the best known symbols of our commercial capital."

He said the ordeal at Mumbai, which occupied the attention of the entire nation, has finally come to an end.

"All of us share the grief of those who have lost their loved ones in this dastardly and brutal attack and also the pain and anguish of those grievously wounded.

"We cannot lessen their grief. But we will do all we can to alleviate their suffering. I give you my solemn assurance that we will look after the needs of those who survive this horrible tragedy," Singh said.

"We salute the bravery of our security forces who fought the terrorists in exceptionally difficult circumstances. They tried their utmost to save innocent lives at great personal risk.

"Twenty officers and men made the ultimate sacrifice by laying down their lives. The entire nation owes a debt of gratitude to these men that we can never repay, the Prime Minister said.

[Dig]

He sounds like another silverstein. The one thing that's missing is the taj didn't collapse within it's own footprint so tata won't be on PBS saying 'we decided to pull it'.

And like Silverstein, he was warned about the attacks and did not tell his staff (including his general manager and his entire family that were killed).

If you look at the people killed in these attacks, it also reminds me of 9/11 and "Who Killed John O'Neil"

Exactly 300 years ago, Mumbai (Bombay) was declared the HQ for the East India Trading Company.  EITC major trade was drugs and if you watch WKJO, the interests are the same.

Only the tactics differ.

[Dig]

Center for asian pacific policy...sponsored by RAND CORP:
http://www.rand.org/international_programs/capp/happen/05/bmo4spr.html
Winter 2004 CAPP Advisory Board Meeting

The Winter 2004 meeting of the Advisory Board of the Center for Asia Pacific Policy began with two optional briefings on the afternoon of December 9: Dr. Charles Wolf, Jr. presented “China’s Growth and Challenges to It,” and Dr. William Overholt spoke on “The Auto Industry in China.” That evening, Donald and Jean Tang hosted a lovely dinner.

The meeting officially commenced on Friday, December 10. Board members Roy Doumani, Robert Ferguson, Mathew K. Fong, Lalita D. Gupte, the Honorable James D. Hodgson, Peter Kwok, Robert Oehler, Nicholas Rockefeller, the Honorable Richard H. Solomon, Cyrus Tang, Donald Tang, Ratan Tata, and the Honorable Linda Tsao Yang attended.

Jim Thomson, Susan Everingham, Nina Hachigian, Bill Overholt, and Mark Dawson of RAND were also in attendance.

Jim Thomson offered opening remarks and a brief update on RAND. He reiterated the significant role of advisory boards in helping to shape the research agenda, advancing outreach, assisting in identifying prospective clients and donors, and providing financial support. Susan Everingham, the recently-appointed director of International Programs at RAND, offered an overview of IP and commented on RAND’s goal of becoming a global institution.

The morning included two briefings. The first, “How Good is the Quality of Care in the United States?” by Dr. Elizabeth McGlynn, associate director of RAND Health, described a methodology RAND researchers had developed to measure quality of healthcare in the United States, and the surprising finding that patients, on average, receive only half of recommended care. Next, Dr. David Shlapak, a senior international policy analyst, spoke on “The China-Taiwan Military Competition: Conflict and Consequences.” Dr. Shlapak described China’s military modernization and several scenarios for how a military conflict across the Strait might unfold. He concluded by noting that U.S. policy should be strongly in favor of the status quo over any military confrontation given the range of bad outcomes a conflict would likely produce. Both briefings were followed by lively discussions.

Following lunch, Nina Hachigian presented the director’s report, highlighting growth during 2004 and noting the increasing number of projects being done for Asian governments. She spoke about the broad range of current Asia research, including projects that analyzed geopolitical, economic, security, technological and human capital problems such as US-China relations, views on Japanese research, system change in North Korea and maternal health in Bangladesh. She suggested that there is no other US-based research institution like RAND conducting a similar breadth of work on Asia nor any hired by both the US and Asian governments.

Hachigian’s report was followed by her presentation of a proposed future Asia research agenda for RAND. Board members then ranked the relative importance of the proposed research topics and also submitted additional issues of interest. A robust discussion of all the issues followed.

In the final session of the day, Board chair Ratan Tata led a roundtable discussion of country and regional trends, during which each board member highlighted issues of particular interest and concern. The group discussed events in India, China, Australia, Vietnam, and the United States.

The meeting was followed by cocktails and a dinner co-hosted by Rob Oehler and Nick Rockefeller at Le Merigot Hotel. The Honorable Ronen Sen, Ambassador of India to the United States, was the guest of honor and gave a keynote address on India-U.S. relations as well as the growing stature of India on the world scene.

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Maybe this was a 4 year old operation hatched up by the Rand Corp.

It sure beats the BS official story!
 

[Dig]

NOVEMBER 26, 2007 
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_48/b4060401.htm
The Most Elite Club in the World

A Rockefeller heir is creating a new model of giving that links some of the world's wealthiest families. But how much of the Global Philanthropists Circle is style, and how much is substance?

It's one of the most exclusive clubs anywhere, which is why you've probably never heard of it. Members come from 68 of the wealthiest families in 22 countries. Many are connected to business dynasties around the world. The point of the club: to give away money so that it has the greatest long-term impact on pressing global issues. "Most philanthropists, even experienced ones, say that it's harder to give money away effectively than it is to make it," says Beth Cohen, director of the Global Philanthropists Circle (GPC).

The GPC is the brainchild of Peggy Dulany, 60, and her father, David Rockefeller, a grandson of Standard Oil founder John D. Rockefeller Sr. While it's common now for philanthropists to partner with one another, Dulany's six-year-old Circle was one of the first to try such collaborations. She recognized early on that philanthropy was becoming more global. Worldwide giving by the superrich reached $285 billion last year, according to a Merrill Lynch (MER )/Capgemini (CAP ) study. But with so many big new gifts, there's more waste as philanthropists struggle up a learning curve. Dulany saw a need for an organization that would allow givers around the world to meet, exchange ideas and strategies, and work together to take on increasingly complex issues.

Today the Circle's members, who pay $25,000 in annual dues, include such U.S. families as the Hewletts, the Gunds, and Ted and Vada Stanley, newcomers to this year's ranking of philanthropists. Overseas members include the Lopez family, one of the wealthiest Filipino business clans; Marcos de Moraes, a newly minted Internet millionaire from Brazil; and the Benjelloun banking family from Morocco.

The chance to socialize with one another is a big part of the GPC's appeal. As befits such an illustrious group, these encounters are often held at Rockefeller family estates. Recent gatherings have included an evening gala at a Park Avenue ballroom. Bill Gates Sr. was a panelist. Glenn Close, a friend of Dulany's who has traveled with her, stopped by. Richard Gere, a former GPC member, skipped this year's event. Every summer the GPC offers a weeklong retreat at Dulany's 9,000 acre Montana ranch. The agenda includes three days of camping solo in the wilderness. Participants can either fast or take along subsistence rations of fruits and nuts to munch on as they meditate on their philanthropic goals. Next spring 40 members will visit a Rockefeller-owned island off the coast of Maine. Shorter sessions are held at the Tudor-style Playhouse on the Rockefeller estate in Tarrytown, N.Y., where members share details of their projects in the morning, followed by tennis or bowling in the afternoon.

Those are just the regular group meetings. The real action happens on the trips overseas. On those outings, which members pay for themselves, the group might lunch with Prince Charles at his home in London, spend an afternoon with the Bhutanese royal family in the Himalayas, or join Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helú for dinner in his private art museum. Next year they head to Kenya where one of their guides will be Africa's first woman Nobel laureate, Wangari Maathai, who won the Peace Prize in 2004 for her work with the environment and human rights. And there are business luminaries as well. Ted Turner, Ratan Tata, chairman of the Indian conglomerate Tata Group, and Coca-Cola (KO ) Chairman E. Neville Isdell have all addressed the group.

[Much more in the link above concerning all of these tax-deductible spending orgies by the elite of the elite.]

[thadividedsky]

After seeing all the investigative reporting by yall, I have to admit Disney.Pixar could have made a movie plot more believable than the BS story the world is being fed. Ya got Rockefeller on the right and Ratan Tata on the left. Sorry for the slight humor, but when I heard the name Ratan Tata, I instantly thought of Ratatouille. But seriously, TPTB should have called Pixar, they could have made the illusion of Pakistan's involvement more realistic.

[Dig]

David Rockefeller is the de-facto dictator of the US.

Ratan Tata is the de-facto dictator of India.

Imagine if David Rockefeller admitted on CNN that he was warned of the attacks of 9/11. Fareed scored an amazing interview. Hopefully the people in India will see how important this is.

[Dig]

Jan 14, 2007
http://onlybombay.blogspot.com/2007/01/casting-about-for-someone-to-run-big.html
Ratan Tata. Chairman of the Tata Empire

Casting about for someone to run a big family firm when a successful tyrant is due to retire is usually a troublesome business. When the firm is still controlled by the same family that founded it back when John D. Rockefeller was gobbling up refineries in Cleveland, it becomes still more daunting. Add the fact that the ruling family are Parsees, a small Zoroastrian sect who have been intermarrying in India for over a thousand years, and the odds of finding someone who is up to the job lengthen again.

Yet after indifferent early reviews, Ratan Tata has transformed the Tata group, of which he is chairman. When he took over from his uncle, J.R.D. Tata, it was a cumbersome conglomerate with stakes in a huge collection of companies that seemed likely to wither in the face of foreign competition. Now it makes foreign acquisitions and ventures into unfamiliar markets. Tata Steel's bidding war with CSN, a Brazilian firm, over Corus, an Anglo-Dutch steelmaker, is just one example of the once-staid group's new boldness. Mr Tata was recently voted Indian of the year by viewers of an Indian television channel, beating both Sachin Tendulkar, India's greatest cricketer, and Aishwarya Rai, the country's most famous screen goddess. And he has succeeded partly because he is what his friends call an individualist, and others might call a loner.

Mr Tata does not like publicity and avoids the platforms and applause of conferences. He lives frugally, does not drink or smoke and seems baffled by the idea of time spent not working. Asked what he would do with it, he usually replies that he would walk his dog along the beach near Mumbai. He does not seem to be motivated by money, and talks constantly about fairness and doing the right thing. “I want to be able to go to bed at night and say that I haven't hurt anybody,” Mr Tata says twice in the course of an interview at a hotel in New Delhi owned by the sprawling group. [can you do that now? You knew about the attack and did not warn your people. You are a partner in the insurance company that covers the terrorist attacks on your hotel, WTF?]

Mr Tata became chairman in 1991, just as India's economy was opening up. His uncle, who had run Tata for more than 50 years, had started Tata Airlines (which became Air India) and was to India what Gianni Agnelli of Fiat was to Italy. He was a good-looking philanthropist with a French wife and held the first pilot's licence to be issued in India. His shy and unglamorous nephew, in contrast, trained as an architect at Cornell University, slipped quietly into the family firm and was not marked out for the succession even when his uncle was due to bow out.

Despite all the glory that surrounded J.R.D., when he retired in 1991, Tata was a group of companies ill-equipped to deal with the changes about to sweep through India. It earned most of its money in old-fashioned industries that had grown fat during the centrally planned “licence raj”, when the government set limits on how much firms were allowed to produce and protected them from foreign competitors. The stakes held by the family in many of the 300-odd companies in the group were tiny, and the main Tata businesses were run as independent fiefs by men much older than Mr Tata.

They might have expected Mr Tata, who had never held an executive position, to leave them alone. Instead, he retired them, improving their pensions to soften the blow. He sold stakes in some companies and used cash from the sales and revenue from Tata Consultancy Services, India's largest IT firm, to shore up control of those that remained. There are now a mere 96 companies in the group, and Tata Sons now owns at least 26% of each of them. That has made the portfolio a little easier to manage, but it leaves Mr Tata more isolated at the top.
Shortly after he became group chairman, Mr Tata also decided that Tata Motors would make its own cars, even though a joint venture with a foreign firm would have been easier. Critics grumbled that a good truck business was about to be destroyed for the sake of an ill-conceived vanity project. But after a difficult start, Tata Motors is now India's second-biggest carmaker by sales. “If he had listened to what everyone told him, he would never have done it,” notes one of Mr Tata's friends.

First, do no harm

Although he has made Tata's big businesses more competitive and more inclined to look beyond India's borders—Corus would be just the latest in a series of foreign acquisitions—Mr Tata has also run it in keeping with Tata's public-spirited tradition. Two-thirds of Tata Sons is owned by charitable trusts that do good works in India, and the firm is known for refusing to pay bribes and for treating workers well. (The children of Tata's steelworkers were given free education back in 1917.) Foreign investors sometimes wonder if this is good for business. “At first I didn't have an answer,” Mr Tata says. “But then I asked myself: am I competitive? Yes. And this is the way companies are moving.”

Mr Tata's latest car project—producing a vehicle that will sell for under $3,000—combines two of the things that keep him from those walks along the beach: securing the fortunes of the family group and pleasing a highly developed sense of fairness. The factory will be in communist-run West Bengal, a state chosen partly because it is in need of industrial development. West Bengal's government is eager for the investment, but Tata Motors has faced protesting farmers, a politician on hunger strike and, Mr Tata thinks, commercial rivals trying to prevent the birth of a more affordable car. Tata Motors is sticking it out, and expects to secure the land to build its new plant at the end of the month.

Mr Tata, who has no children, is due to retire in December 2012 [Now isn't that special? 12/12-oh man who know's the shitstorm these elitests are planning for 12/12], when he reaches 75. That will leave the group with a familiar succession problem. Meanwhile, he is heading the government's investment commission, which works to increase foreign investment. And he may be about to create one of the largest steelmakers in the world. Not bad for a shy architect.

[mrwise]

The VATICAN SPY, Sonia "Gandhi" (not her name) bullys out the Indian Home Minister:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sonias-remarks-show-patil-the-door/392469/
Congress President Sonia Gandhi's adverse comments on the internal security situation was the proverbial last straw that saw the exit of Shivraj Patil as Union Home Minister. Gandhi had in fact set the tone at the Congress Working Committee by expressing unhappiness over the terrorist incidents taking place at regular intervals. The meet, by all accounts, was a hostile affair for Patil. The Congress chief's remark was signal enough for members and invitees to list some omissions and commissions of Patil as the Home Minister in the last four-and-a-half years. Those who projected Patil in not so glorious ways include P Chidambaram, who has now succeeded him as the Home Minister.

... which causes a shift leading to the appointment of her hand-picked stooge (I mean, Prime Minister) to also become the new Finance Minsiter:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/fm-chidambaram-is-the-new-home-minister/392437/
... that's right folks:  India's Dick Cheney now controls India's White House AND the Indian Treasury.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, himself an economist of repute, will hold the Finance portfolio at a time when the country is suffering from the ripple effects of the global recession.

[Dig]

The VATICAN SPY, Sonia "Gandhi" (not her name) bullys out the Indian Home Minister:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sonias-remarks-show-patil-the-door/392469/
Congress President Sonia Gandhi's adverse comments on the internal security situation was the proverbial last straw that saw the exit of Shivraj Patil as Union Home Minister. Gandhi had in fact set the tone at the Congress Working Committee by expressing unhappiness over the terrorist incidents taking place at regular intervals. The meet, by all accounts, was a hostile affair for Patil. The Congress chief's remark was signal enough for members and invitees to list some omissions and commissions of Patil as the Home Minister in the last four-and-a-half years. Those who projected Patil in not so glorious ways include P Chidambaram, who has now succeeded him as the Home Minister.

... which causes a shift leading to the appointment of her hand-picked stooge (I mean, Prime Minister) to also become the new Finance Minsiter:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/fm-chidambaram-is-the-new-home-minister/392437/
... that's right folks:  India's Dick Cheney now controls India's White House AND the Indian Treasury.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, himself an economist of repute, will hold the Finance portfolio at a time when the country is suffering from the ripple effects of the global recession.

Oh man the coup of the Neo-Con Hindus happening right now is like the coup of the neo-con GOP that has dominated us for the last 7 years.

WTF?

They will bankrupt their economy with BS Homeland Security crap and put more money into guns (v. butter), surveillance, limitations on freedoms, etc.

They are using the same game plan used here 7 years ago step by step.

[mrwise]

Oh man the coup of the Neo-Con Hindus happening right now is like the coup of the neo-con GOP that has dominated us for the last 7 years.

WTF?

They will bankrupt their economy with BS Homeland Security crap and put more money into guns (v. butter), surveillance, limitations on freedoms, etc.

They are using the same game plan used here 7 years ago step by step.

These guys aren't the Hindus actually--they're secularists.  The Hindu hardliners who ABSOLUTELY HATE the current group in power that would ostensibly come to power MIGHT BE (not a done deal, but the risk is there) those who would be trigger happy.  This current group is totally a cohort of Western secret societies who have been stirring shit for years.  In response, the oppostion--the conservative Hindus--are becoming MORE hardline and are eager for war against some enemy they can't define.

Here are the analogies again:
Sonia "Gandhi," the current PM and FM Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram = Clinton Family:  non-religious traitors
Hardline Hindus such as Advani or Modi = Oppostion to International/Atheistic Liberal Democrats:  Neo-Cons whose supporters are trigger happy ("kill dem Aaarabs," etc. etc.).

3rd Party Independent Patriots = Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin:  from what I can tell:  the former President (not PM) Abdul Kalam, former Finance Minister Jaswant Singh, former PM Atal Vajpayee (BJP, but a good guy) and a few others.

[Dig]

These guys aren't the Hindus actually--they're secularists.  The 'Hindus' who would ostensibly come to power MIGHT BE (not a done deal, but the risk is there) those who would be trigger happy.  This current group is totally cohort of Western secret societies who have been stirring shit for years.  In response, the oppostion--the conservative Hindus--are becoming MORE hardline and are eager for war against some enemy they can't define.

Here are the analogies again:
Clinton Family:  non-religious traitors
Oppostion to International/Atheistic Liberal Democrats:  Neo-Cons whose supporters are trigger happy ("kill dem Aaarabs," etc. etc.).

3rd Party Independent Patriots:  from what I can tell:  the former President (not PM) Abdul Kalam, former Finance Minister Jaswant Singh, former PM Atal Vajpayee (BJP, but a good guy) and a few others.

Nicely put.

The same gameplan, the same type of players.

My understanding is that the top cop that was executed was also a patriot to the Indian people.

[mrwise]

Nicely put.

The same gameplan, the same type of players.

My understanding is that the top cop that was executed was also a patriot to the Indian people.

Yes, Karkare and his 2nd and 3rd in command were all killed (very, VERY convenient for those would might profit from this).  They had a lengthy investigation about a lot of these terror cells and their foreign links, INCLUDING (and this shows his group was ahead of the curve) Hindu Terrorists who would start bombing mosques and other Islamic sites. This is the equivalent of a General Shinseki or an Admiral Fallon suiciding themselves with 2 bullets in the head 2 days before a 9/11 or an Operation Shock and Awe.

BLIND

BLIND F*CKIN SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrwise]

And if you haven't realized by now:

the new Home Minister (former FM) who is in charge of all majors affairs domestic was the person InfoWars and PP reported a few weeks ago who called for a new, international NWO at the G20.  (As did the Prime Minister [now also the Financel Minister] Manmohan Singh).

Quite simple when you have eyes to see, actually.