G7 False Flag Mumbai massacre...Official story is TOTAL BS! Hindu Undercover!

[Dig]

More G7 terrorism against BRIC Nations Motive (they compare BRIC to a pandemic, WTF?):

Will the BRIC nations spread a new Yellow Fever?
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Will-the-BRIC-nations-spread-a-new-Yellow-Fever-12037-3-1.html
2008-10-06 15:30:00

MUMBAI: What will happen if Brazil, Russia,India, China (BRIC) nations with huge foreign exchange plan to diversify their foreign exhange reserves and reduce their holdings in dollar-denominated assets?

The chances are that money could flow into gold and gold will turn bullish. Brazil, Russia, India and China have accumulated huge foreign exchange reserves over the years. With the future of US dollar uncertain and likely to depreciate further, gold could be the beneficiary, according to a report by Quantum Gold Fund.

If Bric nations allocate one percent of their foreign exchange assets to gold, that would create an additional demand for 1000 tonnes of gold which is sufficient to turn the gold market bullish.

Already various reports suggest that US financial crisis has had far reaching impact all over the globe.

“Governments across the globe can print currencies at will, in an attempt to tide over current problems they face. These can give temporary relief. But is it a long term solution? Definitely not. However, Gold is the only asset which cannot be produced in the desired quantities at will. Gold has an intrinsic value and is widely accepted as a monetary asset. Hence under these circumstances, Gold would certainly be a preferred asset for diversification by the BRIC Countries or for that matter by all kinds of investors across the globe,” Quantum Gold Fund said in its report.

As per the data available for the first quarter of 2008, only 1.6% of the total foreign exchange reserves of BRIC countries was invested in Gold. Foreign exchange reserves of the BRIC Countries stood at US Dollar 2.7 trillion at the end of the first quarter of 2008..

If BRIC countries diversify their assets into gold, many other countries can also be expected to follow a similar trend and increase allocations of their foreign exchange reserves to Gold.

The annual fresh supply of Gold from mines across the world is less than 2,500 tonnes per annum. Besides, no significant Gold discoveries have been made during this decade. The demand for Gold in 2007 was around 3,500 tonnes. Central banks who have been making up for the shortfall have been seen selling lesser and lesser each year, over the past few years.

What would a 5% additional diversification by BRIC countries do to Gold demand? - an additional demand for 5,000 tonnes of Gold. Imagine the impact on Gold Prices.

[Dig]

More evidence of G7 motive:

Indian service firms most bullish among BRIC nations on growth
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/indian-service-firms-most-bullish-among-bric-nations-on-growth/312326/

NEW DELHI, MAY 20, 2008 : Despite the concerns triggered by the US economic slowdown that India’s service sector growth would decelerate, the country’s service providers continue to remain more bullish about expansion prospects than those of any other BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) nation. Over 60 per cent service providers, the highest proportion among the four BRIC countries, expect an increase in levels of business activity in the coming year, according to a KPMG survey on service sector firms. This buoyancy is expected to be supported by an strong rise in volumes of incoming new business. Approximately 56 per cent of all Indian service providers forecast an increase in new work, while none expect a fall.

Revenues too are set to rise markedly, they feel, underpinned by increase in marketing activity, the introduction of new products and entry into new markets. Despite widespread concerns over intensifying competitive pressures in the sector, around 58 per cent of companies expect revenue growth during the coming year. Profitability too is predicted to remain healthy, with 58 per cent of firms anticipating higher gains.Interestingly, despite the rising interest rate scenario in the country, the majority of Indian companies (54 per cent) surveyed said that the current cost of credit is not higher compared to the condition prior to the US financial market turmoil that started last summer. The availability of credit too has not altered, the companies said, with half of them reporting no change in capital availability.

The biggest threat to business revenues for Indian firms is competition, they said. A resounding 77 per cent of Indian service companies said that the factor they are most weary of is competitive pressure, whereas over 9 per cent cited deteriorating market and economic conditions as factors to watch out for.

Among BRIC countries in general, too, competition was seen to be the most serious threat to revenues, with 22.5 per cent of firms listing it as their number one worry. Other threats to revenues for BRIC countries as a whole were expected to come from increased input costs (18.6 per cent) and deteriorating economic/ market conditions (16.6 per cent).

[Dig]

G7 mission being accomplished:

Scheduled interview with CEO of South African Investment firm during crisi:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page55?oid=237865&sn=Detail

ALEC HOGG: Martyn, from a South African perspective, many South African companies do have investments in India. We spoke earlier with Julian Roberts who thinks "this too shall pass". What should South African businessmen be doing?

MARTYN DAVIES: Well, we are seeing companies that you mention, Sanlam, FirstRand Group, Old Mutual, building significant businesses in India. We have in recent years the notion of BRIC economies. We seem to neglect political risk in these high-growth BRIC economies, and I think this is a stark reminder that especially in India and other countries, like Russia perhaps, political risk is still very, very prevalent despite high growth rates. We should not be complacent by ignoring risk in these markets. I think many South Africans will look at this and it's quite a shock, obviously. What happened in the terrorist attacks in Delhi in September and October the market has largely shrugged off. I think this is far more serious, far more violent attacks, far more pervasive and strikes at the heart of the business centre of India.

ALEC HOGG: And the knock-on effects?

MARTYN DAVIES: Look, the market is obviously closed tomorrow in India. Tomorrow I think there'll be some serious damage done to the stock exchange in the ... markets in India. I think the longer term impact will be Brand India has been damaged as the leading emerging market economy, and I think this is very, very serious. And when South African businesses are looking at do we go to India, do we go to China - I think that question will increasingly become redundant when you have such incidents taking place in India. And the Indian government may not be capable of dealing with this effectively.

[Revolt426]

It makes sense because China bought a 1/5 stake in a major arm of the Rothschild banking cartel a few months ago, they are driving the investors from india to china

[Dig]

First BRIC summit announced...less than 24 hours ago!

Russia to host BRIC 2009 summit
http://www.inform.kz/showarticle3.php?lang=eng&id=173036

RIO DE JANEIRO. November 27. KAZINFORM The next summit of BRIC countries will be held in Russia next year, President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Wednesday. The first summit of the four BRIC members - Brazil, Russia, India and China - was held in July 2008 in Hokkaido, Japan. Russia had hosted a meeting of BRIC foreign ministers two months earlier, in the Urals city of Yekaterinburg, Kazinform cites RIA Novosti. "Next year we will hold the summit in Russia," Medvedev said after talks in Rio de Janeiro with his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. During the meeting, the presidents discussed cooperation in oil and gas, energy including nuclear power, space, agriculture, and humanitarian issues. Medvedev also invited Lula da Silva to visit Russia.  The Russian leader said ties with Brazil and other BRIC members are particularly important in the context of the global credit crisis.

The Brazilian leader said he had "great hopes" for the 2009 summit. On issues to be addressed at the meeting, he proposed: "We must ensure that deals are made more transparent, and more controllable. We need to revitalize the real sector of economy and avoid protectionist measures." The term BRIC was first used in 2003 in a thesis published by the Goldman Sachs investment bank that named Brazil, Russia, India and China as large emerging economies likely to assume key global roles.

[Dig]

I love the control center reports.

If only we were able to expose the control center in Building 7 before they blew up the building.

[Revolt426]

Here is confirmation that they are trying to drive indian investors to China:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Shanghai-Hong-Kong-Seoul-rally/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E1F589A%2DFEFA%2D44E5%2DAA1D%2DDD6BCDDBAAAD%7D

ASIA MARKETS
Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul rally; Mumbai closed
By V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch
Last update: 5:50 a.m. EST Nov. 27, 2008Comments: 27HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Asian markets ended with strong gains Thursday, paced by Shanghai- and Hong Kong-listed shares a day after the Chinese central bank slashed interest rates to kick-start weakening economic growth.South Korean, Taiwanese and Japanese shares also ended higher, with technology stocks such as Elpida Memory and Hynix Semiconductor among gainers after Wall Street stretched a rally into a fourth session. Resource stocks jumped in Australia on a sharp overnight rise in crude-oil prices.
Indian markets were closed for the day in the wake of synchronized terrorist attacks overnight in nine or more locations in the financial capital Mumbai, which left at least 101 people dead and 287 wounded. See full story.
China's Shanghai Composite jumped 3.5% to finish at 1,964.71, in response to the People's Bank of China's reduction in lending and deposit rates by as much as 1.08%. The central bank also cut banks' reserve requirements sharply. See full story.
In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng Index gained 3.6% to 13,845.87, while the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index added 5.1% to 7,287.60.
Andrew To, sales director at Taifook Securities, said the markets could trend even higher next month, given that December is usually a "good transitionary month for stock investments," and unless the circumstances were exceptional, funds usually ranked among buyers during the month.
"Last year, the Hang Seng Index closed around 28,000. This year it's around 13,000 to 14,000. [Funds] really need to dress up their accounts," said To.
Elsewhere, Taiwan's Taiex soared 4.1% to 4,448.61, while Singapore's Straits Times Index advanced 0.6% to 1,721.29.
In Tokyo, the Nikkei 225 Average gained 1.3% to 8,319.49 and the broader Topix index added 0.8% to 824.03.
Australia's S&P/ASX 200 rose 1.4% to 3,589.30 and New Zealand's NZX 50 index gained 1.2% to 2,668.74, while South Korea's Kospi climbed 3.5% to 1,065.29.
"Generally, people are taking a positive step from China to try and prevent the downside from a slowdown," said Andrew Sullivan, a sales trader at Main First Securities.
He added that the terror attack on Mumbai "probably changes investor sentiment [toward India], but that could be positive for China, with people looking at China rather than India going ahead." ............................

[Dig]

Here is confirmation that they are trying to drive indian investors to China:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Shanghai-Hong-Kong-Seoul-rally/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E1F589A%2DFEFA%2D44E5%2DAA1D%2DDD6BCDDBAAAD%7D

ASIA MARKETS
Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul rally; Mumbai closed
By V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch
Last update: 5:50 a.m. EST Nov. 27, 2008Comments: 27HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Asian markets ended with strong gains Thursday, paced by Shanghai- and Hong Kong-listed shares a day after the Chinese central bank slashed interest rates to kick-start weakening economic growth.South Korean, Taiwanese and Japanese shares also ended higher, with technology stocks such as Elpida Memory and Hynix Semiconductor among gainers after Wall Street stretched a rally into a fourth session. Resource stocks jumped in Australia on a sharp overnight rise in crude-oil prices.
Indian markets were closed for the day in the wake of synchronized terrorist attacks overnight in nine or more locations in the financial capital Mumbai, which left at least 101 people dead and 287 wounded. See full story.
China's Shanghai Composite jumped 3.5% to finish at 1,964.71, in response to the People's Bank of China's reduction in lending and deposit rates by as much as 1.08%. The central bank also cut banks' reserve requirements sharply. See full story.
In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng Index gained 3.6% to 13,845.87, while the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index added 5.1% to 7,287.60.
Andrew To, sales director at Taifook Securities, said the markets could trend even higher next month, given that December is usually a "good transitionary month for stock investments," and unless the circumstances were exceptional, funds usually ranked among buyers during the month.
"Last year, the Hang Seng Index closed around 28,000. This year it's around 13,000 to 14,000. [Funds] really need to dress up their accounts," said To.
Elsewhere, Taiwan's Taiex soared 4.1% to 4,448.61, while Singapore's Straits Times Index advanced 0.6% to 1,721.29.
In Tokyo, the Nikkei 225 Average gained 1.3% to 8,319.49 and the broader Topix index added 0.8% to 824.03.
Australia's S&P/ASX 200 rose 1.4% to 3,589.30 and New Zealand's NZX 50 index gained 1.2% to 2,668.74, while South Korea's Kospi climbed 3.5% to 1,065.29.
"Generally, people are taking a positive step from China to try and prevent the downside from a slowdown," said Andrew Sullivan, a sales trader at Main First Securities.
He added that the terror attack on Mumbai "probably changes investor sentiment [toward India], but that could be positive for China, with people looking at China rather than India going ahead." ............................

Did China sell out India to G7 for financial profit?

The question of who controls China is still unknown.

Brazil is probably next if they are going after BRIC.

China/Russia will be the last straw.

[iamc]

SMALL MUSHROOM CLOUDS ...in the air over India? Perfect place for false flag/ because of the high population = many deaths.

[Revolt426]

Did China sell out India to G7 for financial profit?

The question of who controls China is still unknown.

Brazil is probably next if they are going after BRIC.

China/Russia will be the last straw.

Who runs China? here ya go:

http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIaNID=89365
, such as Bank of China’s acquisition of a 20% stake in La Compagnie Financière Edmond de Rothschild of France for $340 million and China Merchant’s Bank’s $4.6 billion acquisition of Wing Lung Bank.

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
China's Zhonghai Fund confirms Rothschild takes 15.385 pct stake

[Dig]

CNN:

"Was it an inside job?"

Now you ask this question?

Billions can answer this question...

YES! OF COURSE! DUH!

[Revolt426]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24700857-36418,00.html

ONE of China's richest men, electronics tycoon Huang Guangyu, has been arrested on suspicion of market manipulation.

Mr Huang, 39, also known as Wong Kwong Yo, is founder and chairman of Chinese electrical appliance giant Gome Electrical Appliances Holdings, which is listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange.

The arrest was reported on the website of the Chinese finance magazine Caijing.

The company's shares were suspended yesterday and the group has claimed not to know about Mr Huang's arrest. Gome issued a statement saying shares had been suspended "pending the release of an announcement in relation to price-sensitive information".

According to Caijing, Mr Huang, the second-richest man in China, was questioned by police in relation to share trading in Chinese drug company Shandong Jintai Group, which is controlled by his brother Huang Junqin.

Shares in Shandong Jintai were also suspended from trading on the Shanghai stock exchange yesterday. But Hong Kong's Ming Pao Daily News claimed the investigation of Huang Guangyu was related to alleged acts of embezzlement and bribery early in his career.

Both Mr Huang and his brother were investigated in 2006 about a 1.3 billion yuan ($300 million) loan from the Bank of China in Beijing. Also in 2006, Mr Huang was forced to sell 25 per cent of the company to assuage regulators' worries about market dominance.

As part of the sale, New York-based private equity group Warburg Pincus made a "strategic investment" in Gome through the issuance of $US125 million convertible bonds and $US25 million warrants. This gave the group an effective 9.71 per cent in the company, if all the bonds and warrants due in 2001 were converted. Warburg Pincus managing director Sun Qiang Chang joined the Gome board in January 2006.

Gome, which operates more than 1300 stores and employs about 300,000 people, yesterday pushed on with its financial reporting, unveiling a 24.87 billion yuan in revenues for its first half, up 18 per cent compared with last year.

Other non-executive directors of Gome include Mark Greaves, the former managing director for the Asia region of NM Rothschild & Sons.

US finance magazine Forbes ranked Mr Huang No2 on its China rich list, but he has been ranked richest by Shanghai-based analyst Rupert Hoogewerf, with assets worth $US6.3 billion ($10 billion).

Gome's shares fell 3 per cent to $HK1.12 (23c) last Friday, extending its 77 per cent decline this year.

[Dig]

Who runs China? here ya go:

http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIaNID=89365
, such as Bank of China’s acquisition of a 20% stake in La Compagnie Financière Edmond de Rothschild of France for $340 million and China Merchant’s Bank’s $4.6 billion acquisition of Wing Lung Bank.

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
China's Zhonghai Fund confirms Rothschild takes 15.385 pct stake

Anything under $1 Trillion is horse feed.  Rothschild has major interests and Nick Rockefeller has been working China for over 20 years.  But not enough to really say they are owned by either or both.

They do seem to have the ENDGAME society for the NWO (1 child policy, disarmed population, no dissent, etc.)

[Revolt426]

Anything under $1 Trillion is horse feed.  Rothschild has major interests and Nick Rockefeller has been working China for over 20 years.  But not enough to really say they are owned by either or both.

They do seem to have the ENDGAME society for the NWO (1 child policy, disarmed population, no dissent, etc.)

This is just what they publicly admit, it merely confirms the Rothschilds have their hands all over China

[Dig]

China may be paid off not to investigate, but there is no way they instigated this unnoticed.

Also, they may get some short term gain from this, but breaking up BRIC does not serve their long term interests. India is a major nuke state and has been used for decades to threaten China.

This attack was meant to break up BRIC and the best served is G7.

[Revolt426]

 You think  China cares about India when their own economy is imploding? They probably werent even paid off, they got a giant transfer of wealth from India to China.

[Dig]

You think  China cares about India when their own economy is imploding? They probably werent even paid off, they got a giant transfer of wealth from India to China.

OK, just to understand...

Even though China has never used false flag terrorism as far as we can tell and the G7 has been doing these exact actions for more than 40 years (dozens of documented cases from Chip Tatum alone).

You are saying that China instigated this to get some temporary wealth when it only makes them weaker to fight G7 in the long term and alienates them?

I am just trying to understand the logic.

I am no fan of China and its policies, but this is just more fuel for the BRIC fears...

Will the BRIC nations spread a new Yellow Fever?
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Will-the-BRIC-nations-spread-a-new-Yellow-Fever-12037-3-1.html
2008-10-06 15:30:00

[Revolt426]

No i am saying China is IN on it. They didn't do this, their counterparts in Britain did. They are working with the British Empire is what i am saying.

[Revolt426]

You gotta understand that this isn't a U.S. Meltdown its a World Wide Meltdown, Countries are forming alliances to save the dead financial system and it appears China allied itself with Britain. Wheather Britain stabs them in the back as they do to everyone else is unknown but likely

[Dig]

No i am saying China is IN on it. They didn't do this, their counterparts in Britain did. They are working with the British Empire is what i am saying.

I think they work with everyone (US/UK/Russia/Iran).  But this attack helps G7 against BRIC and that cannot be good for their power going forward.  They know all about divide and conquer.

Of course we are talking about them as if they are just opposing mob families in the same neighborhood.

And that is the damned truth that is so disheartening and disillusioning to accept.

[Brocke]

Here's the financial smoking gun.

India Investment Summit
The summit will run concurrently in Mumbai and Bangalore from November 24 through to November 26.

VIDEO: http://in.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=94329&videoChannel=104

Quotes from India Investment Summit
http://www.reuters.com/article/IndiaInvestment08/idUSTRE4AP44H20081126

On the outlook for the second half of 2009: "India will be a shining star to the whole world. Low inflation, low rates, growth, and the pressure on the rupee will go away."

"We are allowing for a correction to happen in our liability mix. If that warrants some recalibration of our market share, we are comfortable."

"We now have almost all the businesses that a broad-based bank should have. We will press the accelerator when we see the opportunity."

[Revolt426]

The reason they are attacking BRIC is because the only way to rescue the worlds Financial and probably economic systems is if all 4 nations cooperate, including the U.S.

THey are making this impossible now with distractions and murder

[Dig]

You gotta understand that this isn't a U.S. Meltdown its a World Wide Meltdown, Countries are forming alliances to save the dead financial system and it appears China allied itself with Britain. Wheather Britain stabs them in the back as they do to everyone else is unknown but likely

It is a worldwide meltdown caused by G7.

G7 wants no country financial center available as a safe haven for investors.

BRIC challenges their work to cause a worldwide depression.

The depression is not an accident, it is planned to enact carbon taxes and population control.

BRIC stands in their way.

G7 attacked BRIC, China may look the other way for the moment, but when you get real close to the Chinese borders, they will never allow another Nanking.  I guarantee that.

[Revolt426]

The system is interconnected in such a way that if one powerhouse collapses, all of us do ( India China Russia or U.S.)  Brazil may narrowly escape complete melt down if the others collapse but i doubt it. International Trade has almost been suspended (this is why the crude oil prices are 50$ a barrel). China depends on exports and shipping companies are not moving their products, nor are americans buying their products. Russia is now competely dependent on OIL which has collapsed in price hence the Ruble has collapsed as well. It's a WORLD wide meltdown.

[Dig]

The system is interconnected in such a way that if one powerhouse collapses, all of us do ( India China Russia or U.S.)  Brazil may narrowly escape complete melt down if the others collapse but i doubt it. International Trade has almost been suspended (this is why the crude oil prices are 50$ a barrel). China depends on exports and shipping companies are not moving their products, nor are americans buying their products. Russia is now competely dependent on OIL which has collapsed in price hence the Ruble has collapsed as well. It's a WORLD wide meltdown.

so why bother with the attack on the heart of a financial center of a BRIC country who has been hedging in gold and has not upgraded their monetary system to G7 standards?

Since it is a worldwide depression why was Mumbai targeted?

What is the Motive?

Why destabilize a safe haven for investors?

It is a worldwide collapse, why bother the one location that could have provided some stability?

Wait, why was Mumbai even a place for investors anyway since there is a worldwiide meltdown?

Why was this overly obvious G7 coordinated attack including media planned for so many months?

They are not after the next few years of finances, they are after control for the next 10 generations.

[larsonstdoc]

The system is interconnected in such a way that if one powerhouse collapses, all of us do ( India China Russia or U.S.)  Brazil may narrowly escape complete melt down if the others collapse but i doubt it. International Trade has almost been suspended (this is why the crude oil prices are 50$ a barrel). China depends on exports and shipping companies are not moving their products, nor are americans buying their products. Russia is now competely dependent on OIL which has collapsed in price hence the Ruble has collapsed as well. It's a WORLD wide meltdown.

Brazil has some pretty crafty people down there.  They can make ethanol from sugar cane and get twice the ethanol out of the sugar beets.  They want 85%  ethanol cars so they are not dependent on foreign oil.  They sell their cattle to the USA and also their corn which is put in feed for our cattle.  We in America have our fields full of corn for ethanol and corn now is $4/bushel.  The farmers in America are starting to go broke because they can't get enough for their corn.  Our corn is not fit for animals or humans.  Farmers are trying to make a newly bankrupt ethanol company (through lawyers) pay $8 for their corn  They are stupid.  See the article below.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20081127/BUSINESS01/811270369/1029/BUSINESS


Farmers want VeraSun ordered to buy their corn
BY DAN PILLER • DPILLER@DMREG.COM • NOVEMBER 27, 2008
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Floyd, Ia. — About 150 farmers who have contracts to sell corn to bankrupt ethanol producer VeraSun Energy are weighing the risks of the futures markets against the uncertainties of bankruptcy court.

Farmers met in Floyd on Wednesday to discuss VeraSun's request to cancel corn futures contracts at its discretion on 10-day notice. Most of the group have joined a committee formed by state Rep. Mark Kuhn, D-Charles City, that will argue Tuesday in bankruptcy court in Delaware against VeraSun's motion.



"We're being held hostage," said Kuhn, whose family farm operation near Charles City has been a VeraSun customer. "We never before had the opportunity to sell corn at $5, $6, or $7 per bushel. We took out the contracts, and now don't know where we stand."

About 7,800 farmers in the Midwest, 5,600 in Iowa, have contracted to sell corn to VeraSun and stand to lose if the company voids corn contracts, all of which would obligate VeraSun to pay more than the current cash market prices of about $3.60 per bushel.

VeraSun hasn't said which contracts it would void. The farmer group says it wants a decision on all contracts by Dec. 15 so farmers could try to sell their corn elsewhere if necessary.

Attorney Joe Peiffer of Cedar Rapids, who will argue on behalf of the farmers before the judge in Wilmington, Del., on Tuesday, said, "We're saying to the court to tell VeraSun to put up or shut up."

But although more than 80 farmers have so far signed up to be part of the legal challenge to VeraSun, not everyone is itching for a fight. Gary Molitor, who farms near Floyd, said he would prefer negotiations with VeraSun over a direct confrontation.

"I'm worried that we're putting ourselves in an adversarial position when we would be better served by talking with them and trying to renegotiate," Molitor said. He would like to hold open the option that the contracts might be honored by VeraSun or a successor company at a later date, he said.

"They have to continue to buy corn in order to keep producing," Molitor said.

Mark Thompson of Badger, near Fort Dodge, said: "I have a contract for December corn that's due for delivery on Monday. I want VeraSun to honor that contract, so my interest is a little different from others."

Thompson said he was unlikely to deliver the corn to VeraSun's Fort Dodge plant Monday unless he hears from VeraSun. The company has given farmers no notice about the status of their contracts.

Cliff Edson of Ionia said he just completed his harvest. "Now I need a decision on what price I can sell it," he said. "I can't wait for VeraSun to make up its mind."

Nathan Chester of Plainfield said: "Who knows what prices will be in the next few months? We don't want to wait."

Kuhn acknowledged the agony caused by the uncertainties of the current market. The price of corn has fallen from a record $8 per bushel in July to less than $4 per bushel in the last month.

VeraSun went into bankruptcy on Oct. 31 after suffering massive losses in the corn futures markets last summer and early fall. For the quarter that ended Sept. 30, the Sioux Falls, S.D.-based company reported a loss of $476 million. It has closed its plant at Dyersville but continues to operate Iowa plants at Fort Dodge, Hartley, Albert City and Charles City. It also has plants in five other states.

On Tuesday, VeraSun said it had received an unsolicited offer of a buyout from an unnamed suitor.

The farmers continued to speak favorably of ethanol, despite the anguish the VeraSun bankruptcy has brought them.

"There is no greater group of supporters for ethanol and biofuels than the people in this room," Kuhn said.

[larsonstdoc]

Why was this overly obvious G7 coordinated attack including media planned for so many months?

They are not after the next few years of finances, they are after control for the next 10 generations.

BINGO.  They want to control everything but THEY WILL FAIL.

[Biggs]

found this on GLP, gunfights and a blast in karachi, seemingly the destabilisation of Pakistan is going on as planned

(warning, page does not load in opera, okay in IE though)

Reports of Unrest Late Night In The City.
By Jamash November 28th, 2008 @ 1:35 AM Breaking News!!, Crime, Local News

http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/11/28/reports-of-unrest-late-night-in-the-city/
 There are reports of heavy exchange of firing between two groups at Soharaab Goth and a bomb blast on a pushcart near Bakra Mundi. Reports of unrest and violence in different parts of the city. Shops and markets are reported to have been closed in Aziz Abad, Gulburg, parts of Gulshan-e-Iqbal (near Abul Hasan Asphani Road) are reported to have been closed earlier then usual. While since 12:30 am we have been hearing heavy firing with intervals coming from a distance here in Gulshan-e-Iqbal.

What’s surprises me is that none of the local news channels are reporting any of it.

[Revolt426]

so why bother with the attack on the heart of a financial center of a BRIC country who has been hedging in gold and has not upgraded their monetary system to G7 standards?

Since it is a worldwide depression why was Mumbai targeted?

What is the Motive?

Why destabilize a safe haven for investors?

It is a worldwide collapse, why bother the one location that could have provided some stability?

Wait, why was Mumbai even a place for investors anyway since there is a worldwiide meltdown?

Why was this overly obvious G7 coordinated attack including media planned for so many months?

They are not after the next few years of finances, they are after control for the next 10 generations.

Their targets will be to undermind ANY cooperation b/w China, India, U.S. and Russia. This is the only thing that threatens their Global Currency plans, 4 Power House nations uniting and rejecting it such as FDR did during bretton woods. If FDR had not Rejected Keynes calls for a 1 world currency we would not be in the U.S. today, they are trying to prevent a new bretton woods modeled on the old one. Which was the dollar reserve currency backed by Gold, and a FIXED exchange rate system to allow world wide growth.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27943544


Pakistan warns India against attack accusations
Says linking it to Mumbai terrorism would 'destroy all the goodwill'
   



updated 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan warned India against accusing of it links to the Mumbai terror attacks Thursday, saying doing so would "destroy all the goodwill" between the two nuclear-armed rivals.

The remarks by Pakistan's defense minister came hours after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said militants based outside his country carried out the atatcks.

Singh did not single out Pakistan, which New Delhi has accused of complicity in terror attacks on its soil before, but his remarks are likely to be taken as a sign here that India suspects Pakistani links somewhere in the plot.



A serious deterioration in relations between Pakistan and India, which have fought three wars since 1947, would greatly complicate U.S. foreign policy in South Asia as it tries to get Islamabad to focus less on its southern neighbor and more on tackling al-Qaida and Taliban militants along the Afghan border.

In 2001, militants fighting Indian-rule in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir attacked the parliament in New Delhi, helping push the countries to the brink of war a year later.

The attacks late Wednesday saw teams of gunmen target at least 10 sites, including two luxury hotels, a railway station and a Jewish center, in the financial capital of Mumbai. More than 100 people were killed.

In an address to the nation, Singh said the group that carried out the attacks "was based outside the country" and warned its neighbors "that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated."

'We should not be blamed'
Pakistan Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar condemned the attacks, but said "we should not be blamed like in the past."

"This will destroy all the goodwill we created together after years of bitterness," he told The Associated Press. "I will say in very categoric terms that Pakistan is not involved in these gory incidents."

Earlier, Indian navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said navy officers had boarded a cargo vessel it suspected of ties to the attacks that had come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan. He later said the ship was not linked in any way to the strikes.

Many analysts said Wednesday's attacks were more likely to have been carried out by indigenous, Indian extremist groups blamed for a series of bombings this year.

They also noted that India's government stood to benefit politically for hinting at the involvement of its old rival — rather than admitting some of its own 145 million Muslims had become radicalized.

"It will always want to label this militancy as foreign rather than to accept it has its own problem," said Shaun Gregory, an expert on South Asian terrorism at the University of Bradford in Britain. "That sells much more easily to the Indian public than admitting serious grievances within its Muslims."


 

Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, declared over the weekend that India posed no threat to Pakistan and called for the heavily militarized border to be opened for trade.

Earlier, Pakistan's foreign minister said his country would cooperate in any investigation. He too warned against early speculation about the perpetrators.

"Let us not go in for knee-jerk reactions," said Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was in India for talks on a slow-moving South Asian peace process.

An Indian media report said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks in e-mails to several media outlets. There was no way to verify that claim.

Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore, said he believed the terrorists were from India.

"The earlier generation of terrorist groups in India were mostly linked to Pakistan," he said. "But today we are seeing a dramatic change. They are almost all homegrown groups."

[deconstructmyhouse]

You think  China cares about India when their own economy is imploding? They probably werent even paid off, they got a giant transfer of wealth from India to China.

China is NOT imploding, they have no debt, compared with our mega trillions, they own the US through bond holdings (fannie, freddie, Tbills).   So imo this is continued posturing, enflaming, set up for the next big bloody power clash of banking cartels: Pakistan/China vs. India/US. 

China's a NWO model state; but it has gotten too powerful, imo.  Perhaps it has reverted to sovereign nation status by virtue of it's financial stability.   

  See CFR's own article below on the bond between Pakistan and China. 

 


From the CFR website:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10070

China and Pakistan: A Deepening Bond

 

    * Introduction
    * What is behind the relationship between China and Pakistan?
    * How does the relationship serve each country’s policy toward India?
    * Why does Pakistan need a deterrent against India?
    * What kind of assistance has China provided Pakistan?
    * What economic projects are the two countries currently working on?
    * How does the alliance with Pakistan fit into China’s global plans?
    * How is China leveraging its position in the region?
    * How does the relationship with China affect Pakistan’s association with the United States?

Introduction

As the United States and India celebrate an increasingly warmer relationship, attention has focused on the reaction of Pakistan. Many experts predict the new closeness between the world's only superpower and Islamabad's fiercest rival will prompt Pakistan to develop even closer ties with its longtime strategic security partner, China.
What is behind the relationship between China and Pakistan?

"Traditionally, the driving factor for China was a hedge against India, and for Pakistan it was gaining access to civilian and military resources," says Kenneth Lieberthal, a noted China expert and professor at the University of Michigan. Pakistan was one of the first countries to recognize the People's Republic of China, in 1950. In the 1960s, Pakistan and China grew closer as China's relationship with India worsened, leading to a border war in 1962 in which Chinese forces easily defeated the Indian army. Islamabad and Beijing have had close relations since, with Beijing providing economic, military, and technical assistance to its western neighbor.
How does the relationship serve each country’s policy toward India?

Each country helps the other to check India's power. India's dispute with Pakistan ties up its troops and attention—a boon for China, which still has an unresolved dispute over a long stretch of its border with India. Pakistan, in turn, gets access to military hardware and a powerful strategic partner. "For China, Pakistan is a low-cost secondary deterrent to India," says Husain Haqqani, a visiting scholar and South Asia expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "For Pakistan, China is a high-value guarantor of security against India." While the relationship is not exactly balanced, it has been critically important to Pakistan, which has built its foreign policy around China. "Pakistan needs China more than China needs Pakistan," says Jing Huang, senior fellow in Asia Studies at the Brookings Institution. Subhash Kapila of the South Asia Analysis Group adds that "the cornerstone of Pakistan's strategic policies for the last forty years has been its undying military relationship with China."

For China, Pakistan provides a bridge between Beijing and the Muslim world, a geographically convenient trading partner, and a channel into security and political relations in South Asia. "China is trying to build up its global sphere of influence, and Pakistan doesn't mind China being a global power if it helps Pakistan become a regional power," says Haqqani.
Why does Pakistan need a deterrent against India?

The animosity between the two countries dates to partition in August 1947, when the British divided their former colony into two states. India was meant to be a secular democracy and Pakistan, a homeland for South Asian Muslims. More than six million Muslims migrated to Pakistan, and more than four million Hindus and Sikhs moved to India. Tremendous violence and upheaval during the partition process left more than one million people dead.

In the half-century since, Pakistan and India have fought three wars and come close a few other times. The unresolved issue of the disputed territory of Kashmir and periodic military buildups on both sides have kept tensions high. Many Pakistanis still worry that India wants to reunite the territory under its control. Both countries tested nuclear weapons in 1998.
What kind of assistance has China provided Pakistan?

"Pakistan is a major recipient of Chinese economic aid," Huang says, including "massive" cooperation in the defense industry. China provides Pakistan with the following defense aid:

    * Nuclear program. China supplies Pakistan with nuclear technology and assistance, including what many experts suspect was the blueprint for Pakistan's nuclear bomb. (Pakistan is suspected of having enough fissile material to build at least fifty-five nuclear weapons.) Some news reports suggest Chinese security agencies knew about Pakistani transfers of nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya. China also had longstanding ties with Abdul Qadeer Khan, known as the father of the Pakistani nuclear program, and head of an international black market nuclear network. "The Pakistani nuclear program is largely the result of Sino-Pakistani relations," Huang says.
    * Ballistic missiles. Pakistan's army has both short- and medium-range ballistic missiles that experts say came from China and, indirectly, North Korea.
    * Aircraft. Pakistan is producing JF-17 Thunder aircraft jointly with China, which India worries could be used to deliver nuclear weapons. Pakistan also has a longstanding order—yet to be filled—for dozens of F-16 jet fighters from the United States for its air force.
    * Small arms. China has sold arms and even complete weapons systems to Pakistan, as well as setting up arms factories in Pakistan, according to a Congressional Research Service country report on Pakistan.

What economic projects are the two countries currently working on?

China is a major trading partner with Pakistan, accounting for nearly 11 percent of Islamabad's imports in 2004. Trade between the two countries was worth $4.25 billion in 2005, a 40 percent increase from the year before. On his recent trip to China, Musharraf encouraged Chinese business leaders to invest in Pakistan, saying, "Pakistan would welcome investments from China more than anywhere else because Chinese are our brothers and time-tested friends." The two countries have cooperated on a variety of large-scale infrastructure projects in Pakistan, including highways, gold and copper mines, major electricity complexes and power plants, and numerous nuclear power projects.

One of the most significant ongoing projects between the two nations is the construction of major port complex at the naval base of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. The complex, which is partially completed, will provide a port, warehouses, and industrial facilities for more than twenty countries. The port will eventually be able to receive oil tankers with a capacity of 200,000 tons, as well as link Afghanistan and Central Asia to the sea. The area will be declared a free-trade zone to try to build it into the commercial hub of the region. In return for providing most of the labor and capital for the project, China will gain strategic access to the Persian Gulf and a naval outpost on the Indian Ocean from which to protect its oil imports from the Middle East.
How does the alliance with Pakistan fit into China’s global plans?

China, despite its long alliance with Pakistan, is increasingly reaching out to other nations. "What used to be a simple, stark, China-Pakistan alliance has become a much more complex, fluid relationship involving the United States and India," Lieberthal says. (The relationship between India, China, and the United States is explored in more depth in this CFR Background Q&A.) Pakistan helps China on a range of issues, including "providing intelligence, fighting terrorism, and repairing relations with the Muslim world," Huang says. "Beijing is trying to build up a wider global sphere of influence."
How is China leveraging its position in the region?

Some experts say China is using its status as a regional power with strong ties to Pakistan and a growing relationship with India to try to calm tensions and broker a solution to the Kashmir crisis that will guarantee regional security. China is intensely worried about war between India and Pakistan, experts say, so since the late 1990s it has been working quietly to bring the two sides together.

China has reached out to India, signing major agreements on energy, high-tech exchange, and trade. "China's game is to try to reduce negative factors in its relationship with India," Huang says. In a bid to reassure India and make it feel less threatened, China has made strong efforts to settle a border dispute with New Delhi in the Himalayas and soothe the wounded Indian national pride still left over from the 1962 war. And China has managed to improve its relationship with India without offending Pakistan. "Ironically, the most important chip in China's relationship with India is Pakistan," Huang says. "China is very quietly and effectively trying to help the two countries improve their relations."
How does the relationship with China affect Pakistan’s association with the United States?

Islamabad does not see positive relations with both Beijing and Washington as contradictory. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the U.S. are crucial for it," Haqqani says. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China—but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice." Pakistan considers China a more reliable ally than the United States. Experts say Pakistanis are still stung by what they see as U.S. indifference toward their country after using it to funnel aid to Afghan mujahadeen fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. After the Russians pulled out in 1989, many Pakistanis feel the United States turned its back on Pakistan.

Experts say all the countries in the region are reevaluating their traditional positions. "Everyone in the region has learned to [develop] a relatively non-ideological set of policies," Lieberthal says. Others warn Pakistan can't take its importance to the United States for granted. Some say U.S. leaders are moving away from their staunch post-9/11 support for Musharraf, and could back truly democratic elections in 2007. Analyst Kapila writes in a paper for the South Asia Analysis Group that "judging the statements made by President Bush during his visit to Pakistan, a change in United States' Pakistan policies may have already commenced."

[TheGoodFight1984]

Some interesting info about the email from this deccan mujahideen here if anyone hasn't read this yet.. apparently the email came from a non existant IP address in Russia..

Hindi, this terror mail is different

Express news service Posted: Nov 28, 2008 at 0036 hrs IST

New Delhi : A Terror email made its appearance once again on Thursday morning. But just like the terror attack on Mumbai, the email too was a complete break from earlier mails sent to coincide with the serial bomb blasts in Ahmedabad, Jaipur and Delhi.

Unlike the venom-spewing emails that were sent earlier, the latest email, sent to some media houses purportedly by an unknown outfit Deccan Mujahideen, has a very mild tone and tenor. Interestingly, it’s written in Hindi. The earlier mails were all in English with a fair sprinkling of Arabic verses from the Quran. The email also did not invoke the 2002 Gujarat riots to justify the attacks. Instead it only said that the Mumbai attack was to avenge the injustices perpetrated on the Muslim community since Independence. This attack is in reaction to what the Hindus have been doing since 1947. Such reactions would keep on happening till we take revenge for each and every injustice perpetrated on us,” the email said.

Meanwhile, DGP S S P Yadav denied having any information regarding Deccan Mujahideen, adding that terrorists were using all kinds of names to confuse the security agencies.

“Deccan is a vast area, the group can be from anywhere. I think they can also be from Pakistan because there’s a Hyderabad there too,” the DGP said. But he was unable to explain why any group from Pakistan’s Hyderabad would choose to pre-fix Deccan in its name.

Yadav was also at sea when asked if there are any intelligence reports on terrorist activity in the city, especially after LeT militant Shaikh Abdul Jabbar was caught from the city by the Kerala Police.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/In-Hindi--this-terror-mail-is-different/391563

[Revolt426]

China is NOT imploding, they have no debt, compared with our mega trillions, they own the US through bond holdings (fannie, freddie, Tbills).   So imo this is continued posturing, enflaming, set up for the next big bloody power clash of banking cartels: Pakistan/China vs. India/US. 

China's a NWO model state; but it has gotten too powerful, imo.  Perhaps it has reverted to sovereign nation status by virtue of it's financial stability.   

  See CFR's own article below on the bond between Pakistan and China. 

 


From the CFR website:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10070

China and Pakistan: A Deepening Bond

 

    * Introduction
    * What is behind the relationship between China and Pakistan?
    * How does the relationship serve each country’s policy toward India?
    * Why does Pakistan need a deterrent against India?
    * What kind of assistance has China provided Pakistan?
    * What economic projects are the two countries currently working on?
    * How does the alliance with Pakistan fit into China’s global plans?
    * How is China leveraging its position in the region?
    * How does the relationship with China affect Pakistan’s association with the United States?

Introduction

As the United States and India celebrate an increasingly warmer relationship, attention has focused on the reaction of Pakistan. Many experts predict the new closeness between the world's only superpower and Islamabad's fiercest rival will prompt Pakistan to develop even closer ties with its longtime strategic security partner, China.
What is behind the relationship between China and Pakistan?

"Traditionally, the driving factor for China was a hedge against India, and for Pakistan it was gaining access to civilian and military resources," says Kenneth Lieberthal, a noted China expert and professor at the University of Michigan. Pakistan was one of the first countries to recognize the People's Republic of China, in 1950. In the 1960s, Pakistan and China grew closer as China's relationship with India worsened, leading to a border war in 1962 in which Chinese forces easily defeated the Indian army. Islamabad and Beijing have had close relations since, with Beijing providing economic, military, and technical assistance to its western neighbor.
How does the relationship serve each country’s policy toward India?

Each country helps the other to check India's power. India's dispute with Pakistan ties up its troops and attention—a boon for China, which still has an unresolved dispute over a long stretch of its border with India. Pakistan, in turn, gets access to military hardware and a powerful strategic partner. "For China, Pakistan is a low-cost secondary deterrent to India," says Husain Haqqani, a visiting scholar and South Asia expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "For Pakistan, China is a high-value guarantor of security against India." While the relationship is not exactly balanced, it has been critically important to Pakistan, which has built its foreign policy around China. "Pakistan needs China more than China needs Pakistan," says Jing Huang, senior fellow in Asia Studies at the Brookings Institution. Subhash Kapila of the South Asia Analysis Group adds that "the cornerstone of Pakistan's strategic policies for the last forty years has been its undying military relationship with China."

For China, Pakistan provides a bridge between Beijing and the Muslim world, a geographically convenient trading partner, and a channel into security and political relations in South Asia. "China is trying to build up its global sphere of influence, and Pakistan doesn't mind China being a global power if it helps Pakistan become a regional power," says Haqqani.
Why does Pakistan need a deterrent against India?

The animosity between the two countries dates to partition in August 1947, when the British divided their former colony into two states. India was meant to be a secular democracy and Pakistan, a homeland for South Asian Muslims. More than six million Muslims migrated to Pakistan, and more than four million Hindus and Sikhs moved to India. Tremendous violence and upheaval during the partition process left more than one million people dead.

In the half-century since, Pakistan and India have fought three wars and come close a few other times. The unresolved issue of the disputed territory of Kashmir and periodic military buildups on both sides have kept tensions high. Many Pakistanis still worry that India wants to reunite the territory under its control. Both countries tested nuclear weapons in 1998.
What kind of assistance has China provided Pakistan?

"Pakistan is a major recipient of Chinese economic aid," Huang says, including "massive" cooperation in the defense industry. China provides Pakistan with the following defense aid:

    * Nuclear program. China supplies Pakistan with nuclear technology and assistance, including what many experts suspect was the blueprint for Pakistan's nuclear bomb. (Pakistan is suspected of having enough fissile material to build at least fifty-five nuclear weapons.) Some news reports suggest Chinese security agencies knew about Pakistani transfers of nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya. China also had longstanding ties with Abdul Qadeer Khan, known as the father of the Pakistani nuclear program, and head of an international black market nuclear network. "The Pakistani nuclear program is largely the result of Sino-Pakistani relations," Huang says.
    * Ballistic missiles. Pakistan's army has both short- and medium-range ballistic missiles that experts say came from China and, indirectly, North Korea.
    * Aircraft. Pakistan is producing JF-17 Thunder aircraft jointly with China, which India worries could be used to deliver nuclear weapons. Pakistan also has a longstanding order—yet to be filled—for dozens of F-16 jet fighters from the United States for its air force.
    * Small arms. China has sold arms and even complete weapons systems to Pakistan, as well as setting up arms factories in Pakistan, according to a Congressional Research Service country report on Pakistan.

What economic projects are the two countries currently working on?

China is a major trading partner with Pakistan, accounting for nearly 11 percent of Islamabad's imports in 2004. Trade between the two countries was worth $4.25 billion in 2005, a 40 percent increase from the year before. On his recent trip to China, Musharraf encouraged Chinese business leaders to invest in Pakistan, saying, "Pakistan would welcome investments from China more than anywhere else because Chinese are our brothers and time-tested friends." The two countries have cooperated on a variety of large-scale infrastructure projects in Pakistan, including highways, gold and copper mines, major electricity complexes and power plants, and numerous nuclear power projects.

One of the most significant ongoing projects between the two nations is the construction of major port complex at the naval base of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. The complex, which is partially completed, will provide a port, warehouses, and industrial facilities for more than twenty countries. The port will eventually be able to receive oil tankers with a capacity of 200,000 tons, as well as link Afghanistan and Central Asia to the sea. The area will be declared a free-trade zone to try to build it into the commercial hub of the region. In return for providing most of the labor and capital for the project, China will gain strategic access to the Persian Gulf and a naval outpost on the Indian Ocean from which to protect its oil imports from the Middle East.
How does the alliance with Pakistan fit into China’s global plans?

China, despite its long alliance with Pakistan, is increasingly reaching out to other nations. "What used to be a simple, stark, China-Pakistan alliance has become a much more complex, fluid relationship involving the United States and India," Lieberthal says. (The relationship between India, China, and the United States is explored in more depth in this CFR Background Q&A.) Pakistan helps China on a range of issues, including "providing intelligence, fighting terrorism, and repairing relations with the Muslim world," Huang says. "Beijing is trying to build up a wider global sphere of influence."
How is China leveraging its position in the region?

Some experts say China is using its status as a regional power with strong ties to Pakistan and a growing relationship with India to try to calm tensions and broker a solution to the Kashmir crisis that will guarantee regional security. China is intensely worried about war between India and Pakistan, experts say, so since the late 1990s it has been working quietly to bring the two sides together.

China has reached out to India, signing major agreements on energy, high-tech exchange, and trade. "China's game is to try to reduce negative factors in its relationship with India," Huang says. In a bid to reassure India and make it feel less threatened, China has made strong efforts to settle a border dispute with New Delhi in the Himalayas and soothe the wounded Indian national pride still left over from the 1962 war. And China has managed to improve its relationship with India without offending Pakistan. "Ironically, the most important chip in China's relationship with India is Pakistan," Huang says. "China is very quietly and effectively trying to help the two countries improve their relations."
How does the relationship with China affect Pakistan’s association with the United States?

Islamabad does not see positive relations with both Beijing and Washington as contradictory. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the U.S. are crucial for it," Haqqani says. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China—but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice." Pakistan considers China a more reliable ally than the United States. Experts say Pakistanis are still stung by what they see as U.S. indifference toward their country after using it to funnel aid to Afghan mujahadeen fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. After the Russians pulled out in 1989, many Pakistanis feel the United States turned its back on Pakistan.

Experts say all the countries in the region are reevaluating their traditional positions. "Everyone in the region has learned to [develop] a relatively non-ideological set of policies," Lieberthal says. Others warn Pakistan can't take its importance to the United States for granted. Some say U.S. leaders are moving away from their staunch post-9/11 support for Musharraf, and could back truly democratic elections in 2007. Analyst Kapila writes in a paper for the South Asia Analysis Group that "judging the statements made by President Bush during his visit to Pakistan, a change in United States' Pakistan policies may have already commenced."

China IS Imploding. Look at their STeel Demand, and Exports. Their exports are sitting at their ports rotting and they have no steel demand to build infrastructure, the only thing keeping them afloat is their 2 Trillion in reserves. Their economy is IMPLODING.

[deconstructmyhouse]

China IS Imploding. Look at their STeel Demand, and Exports. Their exports are sitting at their ports rotting and they have no steel demand to build infrastructure, the only thing keeping them afloat is their 2 Trillion in reserves. Their economy is IMPLODING.

Then why don't they cash in their bonds?  How can you be imploding when you are in the black?

[Revolt426]

China DEPENDS on a weak currency and massive amounts of exports, now their currency is gaining value and no one is buying their exports due to international trade meltdown. That is why they just said they were investing a MASSIVE sum in infrastucture, the only question is, will it be too late. Will the whole system implode before they accomplish their own infrastucture plan.

[Revolt426]

Then why don't they cash in their bonds?  How can you be imploding when you are in the black?

Easy answer: China's #1 market = U.S. idiots. If they use U.S. Bonds they will create hyperinflation in the U.S. and destroy their largest market.

[deconstructmyhouse]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but according to CIA rank order guide:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/rankorderguide.html
Globally, China is:
Number 7 in industrial production growth rate (13.4 %)
number 2 in stock of money (2 trillion)
Number 3 in gross fixed investment (43%)
Number 1 in current account balance (371 mill)
      as compared to the US: minus 731 million (must be way more now, one year later)
Number 1 for reserves of foreign exchange and gold (1.5 trill)
Number 4 in Exports  (1.2 trill)
Number 5 in Imports  (904 mill)
US external debt is #1 on the planet with 12 trillion
China is #21 with 363 million

I'm just saying, it doesn't look like the profile of an imploding country. 

[spangler]

Too much of this doesn't add up.

I think there's a good possibility that this a frame up of Pakistan.

Mossad, I'm sure, is involved. India and Israel have a decades long alliance expressed primarily through their respective intelligence agencies and militaries. In fact, India's intelligence agency, RAW, was tasked at its inception by Indira Ghandi with developing close ties to Mossad.

RAW agents train in Israel. Israel provides a lot of military equipment to India 1 2

There's ample motivation for India to do such a thing.
India and Pakistan are intense rivals. They're enemies. They have a serious ongoing dispute in Kashmir and have twice gone to war over it. India has accused Pakistan of aiding the Kashmiri insurgency in the India controlled part of Kashmir.

Israel would I'm sure aid India in a false flag against Pakistan. They share significant common cause against against Pakistan.
Israel has less hostile relations with Pakistan but they are by no means good. Pakistan is no friend of Israel's.
It will not recognize Israel and the two countries have no official relations. Pakistan has been openly critical of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and supports the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Furthermore, there have been strange rumblings in the U.S. that Pakistan poses a nuclear threat to Israel. Recall the VP debate in which Palin and Biden agreed that Pakistan was a nuclear threat to the world and specifically Israel.

Troubling for Israel, I'm sure, is that Pakistan's nukes can hit Israel.

Then there's David Ben Gurion's utterances that Israel should consider Pakistan its chief enemy and use India as a staging base for attacks against Pakistan. According to one analyst, Mossad and RAW teamed up years ago to carry out terrorist attacks and stage false flags inside Pakistan.


In addition, the attacks look like a proper military operation. They look too sophisticated, too well coordinated, too successful, to be the work of, to be blamed on, a hitherto unknown radical group acting on its own. That email claiming responsibility could have been sent by anybody (and probably was). The fact that Indian officials are already pointing the finger at Pakistan without having done any investigation with the crisis ongoing is patently absurd and smacks of the same unsubstantiated rushes to judgment we saw on 9/11, The London Bombings, Oswald etc.


I don't know exactly why exactly India, and Israel for that matter, would want to frame Pakistan if not for the purposes of going to war against Pakistan. I shudder to think that India would accept nuclear war as a bearable cost of eliminating Pakistan.

[Revolt426]

China is imploding not becuase it is wealthy but because it has a tremendous population that depends on international commerce, which is GONE. Banks are not issueing letters of credit so shipping companies refuse to ship goods, hence they rot on the ports while people starve (given food as an example). China does not have the agriculture or other infrastucture needed to support its own population so they depend on other countries. This is the whole Globalist plan, to make each country dependent on another and knock one domino down, then let all of them fall.

[deconstructmyhouse]

thanks for the insight...
now, tell me why is China the only country that doesn't have an active chemtrail program?