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Author Topic: G7 False Flag Mumbai massacre...Official story is TOTAL BS! Hindu Undercover!  (Read 188368 times)
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« Reply #440 on: November 27, 2008, 01:55:52 AM »

 Mumbai attacks unprecedented in nature: Advani
Press Trust of India
Thursday, November 27, 2008, (New Delhi)
The Mumbai terror attacks are unprecedented in nature and looks different from those perpetrated by forces like SIMI, BJP leader L K Advani said on Thursday.

He told reporters that an operation of this kind would have taken at least two months of planning and the extent of attacks appears to be a continuation of the 1993 serial bomb blasts in the metropolis.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080074294&ch=11/27/2008%2011:46:00%20AM
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« Reply #441 on: November 27, 2008, 02:00:40 AM »

POSSIBLE MOTIVE BY THE G7!!!

      
False notes threaten India's economy
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JH26Df01.html
By Raja Murthy  Aug 26, 2008


MUMBAI - "Economic terrorism" threatens India with a staggering US$51 billion worth of counterfeit currency circulating in the country, according to India's Intelligence Bureau. The government, though, has expressed no serious hurry to tackle this menace, even as police say fake currency notes are also funding terrorist groups in India.

The Reserve Bank of India (RBI), the regulator, estimates a lower figure of counterfeit money than $51 billion, but given a flurry of publicized recent police arrests across the country of suspects nabbed with huge amounts of fake currency, estimates could be on the higher rather than the lower side.

"The problem is very serious," S K Panda, special director of the Enforcement Directorate, told Asia Times Online. His investigators in the New Delhi-based Directorate of Enforcement, under the Department of Revenue, Ministry of Finance, have hard work ahead. Panda has reasons for anxiety. Over 25% of currency in public hands could be counterfeit, given RBI statistics that $140.95 billion worth of currency notes are in circulation as of August 15, 2008.

Worryingly, police seizures of fake notes sensationally included a branch of the country's leading banker, the State Bank of India. An August 8 seizure of over $369,000 worth of fake notes from the State Bank of India branch in Domariaganj, a small town in the north Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, led to arrests of a bank cashier, Sudhakar Tripathi, alleged to be involved in mixing fake notes in the bank's currency chests. Tripathi was caught only after he began conspicuously splurging the money with which he allegedly had been bribed by counterfeiters.

Investigators revealed the depth of collusion between corrupt bank officials and counterfeiters. Counterfeit currency money in the Dumariaganj State Bank of India chest sported the same serial numbers as genuine currency notes in the bank, indicating that the counterfeit currency printers were informed of serial numbers of genuine notes.

Such incidents have increased public worries about bank ATM machines potentially infected with dud currency notes, not a happy prospect for a banana republic leave alone an emerging economic powerhouse such as India.

The case of 25-year-old Rakesh Singh in New Delhi is instructive. After withdrawing cash from a bank ATM this month, Rakesh was found paying four fake 500 rupee notes for clothes in a south Delhi shopping mall. The shopkeeper called the police, who released Singh only after he produced his ATM cash-withdrawal receipt, which he had kept rather than dump in the ATM waste basket, which are usually filled with discarded receipts. That did not rescue him from losing 2,000 rupees ($46) through no fault of his.

The RBI has sent instructions and warnings in a 22-page master circular dated July 1, 2008, to all banks and state governments' directors of treasuries on "Detection and Impounding of Counterfeit Notes", yet the circular does not specify protection to bank customers who are given fake money.

The RBI website gives detailed instructions on how to spot fake currency, but in practice metropolitan ATMs could have queues miles long and daily riots if every user spent time to carefully examine each bank note spewed out by the machine. The impracticality of the RBI guidelines for ATM customers is easily evident when it comes to detecting fake 500 rupee notes: "Machine-readable windowed demetalized clear text magnetic security thread with inscriptions Bharat [in Hindi] and RBI on notes of Rs 500 with exclusive color shift. Color of the thread shall shift from green to blue when viewed from different angles. It will fluoresce in yellow on the reverse and the text will fluoresce on the obverse under UV [ultra violet] light - width 3 mm. The Intaglio Printing, ie raised prints, is more prominent in the name of the Bank in Hindi and English, the Reserve Bank Seal, guarantee and promise clause, Ashoka Pillar Emblem on the left, RBI Governor's signature ... "

While the public at large casually takes pot luck with 500 rupee notes without peering suspiciously at each one they receive, enforcement officials are regularly reporting seizures, particularly in India's border areas. A Border Security Force (BSF)patrol this month seized fake Indian currency notes worth $23,000 from three smugglers near the border with Pakistan in Punjab state. BSF officials said fake 500 rupee notes were smuggled from Pakistan wrapped in a plastic envelope embossed with "AFD departmental store, Liberty Market (Lahore)" printed on it, and hidden in a bag of pears.

Enforcement officials said the bi-weekly Thar Express train that shuttles between Munabao in Barmer, Rajasthan, to Khokhrapar in Sindh, Pakistan, is a major conduit for counterfeit money couriers. The states of Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka lead the way in fake currency seizures.

Indian intelligence and police officials have long accused Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as the criminal "mastermind" behind smuggling high-quality fake notes into India via routes such as Nepal, Bangladesh and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, with the intention of destabilizing the Indian economy.

The claim echoes one made against the North Korean government, accused of printing fake $100 bills to destabilize the American economy and possibly reflects one more instance of elements in the Pakistani establishment acting contrary to the growing warmth and goodwill seen between Pakistan and India.

Interrogators of arrested counterfeit currency couriers say that at least one printing press operates in Pakistan solely to print fake Indian currency. Some incidents support such a possibility - for instance, a Pakistan Embassy official in New Delhi was caught paying his child's school fees with fake Indian 500 rupee notes.

Daily News and Analysis, a leading English daily from Mumbai, has reported Indian sources in Europe revealing that individuals and firms linked to Pakistan have been purchasing large volumes of special currency paper much beyond the known currency needs of Pakistan.

Police officials say established criminal gangs are also involved. "The 'D' Company [the mafia gang of Dawood Ibrahim, one of India's most wanted criminals currently alleged to be harbored by Pakistan's ISI] is transporting fake Indian currency notes mostly of the highest 500 rupee and 1,000 rupee denominations directly from Dubai to Hyderabad," according to B Srinivasulu, a senior police official in Andhra Pradesh state. "This counterfeit currency is printed on security paper either in Pakistan or its friendly countries and transported to India via United Arab Emirates. It is very difficult to distinguish it from genuine Indian currency."

Given the dimensions of the counterfeit currency problem, economists are questioning whether the fake currency is a factor behind India's record inflation of 12%, particularly given the role in the economy of black markets. Fake currency could be used in large black-money transactions, such as real estate deals and financing Bollywood films, where about 50% of each deal is said to be transacted with unaccounted funds.

Suggested remedial measures range from promoting increased use of credit and debit cards to the possibility of the Indian government joining a growing club of countries and territories, including Australia, China, Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Israel, that use polymer bank notes. These plastic-based notes are harder to counterfeit and more durable. Until that day, India continues the risk of toy money being used as real money in one of the world's dozen countries with trillion-dollar economies.

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THIS WAS A G7 ATTACK TO FORCE INDIA INTO USING A NEW MONETARY SYSTEM

Also notice all the references to the CIA-ISI being the cause of all the counterfiting [Problem/Reaction/Solution]

"Use our new monetary system or we will conduct more false flags in your country!" or "This event was obviously funded by a poor monetary system."

Other side benefits...

-Forcing India to accept more US/UK terror assistance

-Blaming Pakistan to assist Obama's agenda

-Keeping US citizens living in a constant state of fear
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« Reply #442 on: November 27, 2008, 02:01:52 AM »

Also, look at all the car bombs, there must have been like 5 different car bombs plus machine guns plus grenades, etc. etc.

It is like 100 soldiers with tanks stormed in and started going to town.

WTF?

This was a huge operation.

There is no way this could be approved without the G7.

I guess India was not taking enough World Bank funding.

Is there a gold/financial connection?

India’s Financial Capital Mumbai Shut After Terrorist Attacks
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=awX9cW8xopzA&refer=india


India has more gold owned by the general public than any other country in the world.

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Mumbai Nov 19 : The demand for yellow metal in India reached an all time high during quarter three of 2008 at Rupees.30,600 crore, a 66 per cent increase over the corresponding period last year...

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-48756.html

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India's Demand Set to Rise

India leads the world in its love of physical gold, and by March it's due to get its first of three exchange-traded gold funds (ETFs) too. These products have proven very popular in the West, despite charging 0.4% annual storage fees and merely backing each share with gold held in trust, rather than giving investors outright gold ownership. New gold ETFs in 2007 are planned for Germany, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg. But India could put them all in the shade...
http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/gold_in_2007_india_gold_demand

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Record rise in Gold ETF investments in Q3 2008

MUMBAI: Gold is indeed a safe haven investment for investors around the world in the face of financial meltdown as they rushed to invest US $32bn in the third quarter of 2008 in gold assets, according to World Gold Council data...

http://www.commodityonline.com/ndtv/news/topstorydetails.php?id=12858

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« Reply #443 on: November 27, 2008, 02:06:43 AM »

Digg Paul's article...

CIA False Flag 11.26.2008
http://digg.com/world_news/CIA_False_Flag_11_26_2008
infowars.com — Coordinated attacks across Mumbai, India ’s financial capital, which have killed up to a hundred people and injured hundreds more, are likely to be blamed on a terrorist organization linked to the Pakistani ISI, providing further justification for controversial U.S. bombings inside Pakistani territory and heightened rhetoric against Pakistan on beh
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« Reply #444 on: November 27, 2008, 02:08:05 AM »

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message673769/pg1

Mumbai : Inside Story   Quote

From my sources.

RAW, CIA, MI6, MOSSAD

False Flag.

Purpose: Assassinate Anti-Terror Chief who has uncovered evidence with regard to The Base as a state/intel False Flag Operation and recent activities in India see - Marriot Bombing. Kill American, English and Indian targets and to push India out of BRIC alliance towards US/UK/Israeli orbit.

Security measures at all targets were removed just days ago in preparation for the attacks.

Attacks will be blamed on an Indian Islamic group that operates in Mumbai.

That's all for now.
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« Reply #445 on: November 27, 2008, 02:09:55 AM »

Is there a gold/financial connection?

India’s Financial Capital Mumbai Shut After Terrorist Attacks
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=awX9cW8xopzA&refer=india


India has more gold owned by the general public than any other country in the world.




Brocke! Awesome work!  Everyone please keep looking into the financial reasons for this false flag attack (9/11 bankrupted the entire US - the attack affected the entire wealth of the nation and that seems now to be the primary goal.)

This is the true motif by the G7 for control.

They cannot allow any wealth out of their hands.

They cannot allow any rougue nations that do not fall into their Ponzi debt scam system.

Like in every Die Hard movie...

"It is always about the money."
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« Reply #446 on: November 27, 2008, 02:12:59 AM »

people on the street being interviewed, saying the government should have gotten to them before it got to this point...

btw Sane, it's "motive" not "motif"
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« Reply #447 on: November 27, 2008, 02:15:19 AM »

news anchor just said that people are saying this is India's 9/11.

I wonder if they've already got legislation written....that they couldn't read...
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« Reply #448 on: November 27, 2008, 02:17:47 AM »

another blast..
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« Reply #449 on: November 27, 2008, 02:21:53 AM »

Experts doubt Al Qaeda link in Mumbai attacks
By Mark McDonald
Published: November 27, 2008

HONG KONG: The men came wearing black hoods, firing automatic weapons and throwing grenades, taking hostages, attacking two hotels, a cinema, a café, a train station and other popular and undefended "soft targets."

An e-mail message to Indian media outlets that claimed responsibility for the bloody attacks in Mumbai on Wednesday night said the militants were from the Deccan Mujahideen.

Global terrorism experts said Thursday they had never heard of the group. And based on its tactics, they said, it was probably not a cell or group linked to Al Qaeda.

"It's even unclear whether it's a real group or not," said Bruce Hoffman, a professor at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and the author of the book "Inside Terrorism." "It could be a cover name for another group, or a name adopted just for this particular incident."

Chrtistine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation, was careful to say that the identity of the terrorists could not yet be known. But she insisted the style of the attacks and the targets in Mumbai suggested that the militants were likely to be Indian Muslims - and not linked to Al Qaeda or the violent South

"There's absolutely nothing Al Qaeda-like about it," she said of the attack. "Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don't do hostage taking, and they don't do grenades."

Hoffman agreed that the assault was "not exactly Al Qaeda's modus operandi, which is suicide attacks."

But he said the timed attacks, which he called "tactical, sophisticated and coordinated," perhaps pointed to a broader organization behind the perpetrators. Fair also noted that the fact the group had not proclaimed its ideology in a manifesto was "not at all unusual."

"You don't see these types of terrorist operations very often, if at all," Hoffman said. "These aren't just a bunch of radical guys coming together to cause mayhem.

"This takes a different skill set. It doesn't take much skill to make a bomb. This is not just pressing a button as a suicide bomber and dying. You don't learn this over the Internet."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/27/asia/28group.php
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« Reply #450 on: November 27, 2008, 02:22:36 AM »

Canadian talking on tv now. Said he hid in his room. Commandoes came and got him out

said he holds a British passport, but his accent is definitely Canadian
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« Reply #451 on: November 27, 2008, 02:24:48 AM »

News says there were 12 terrorists, all young, 20 - 25 years old. The all look Pakistani or Indian, at least from the few photos. Who are these guys really?
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« Reply #452 on: November 27, 2008, 02:25:38 AM »

"We heard a car speed up behind us, it was a police van, but the men inside were firing at us," said Manish Tripathi, at a police cordon near one of the hospitals. "Men were screaming that they had lost their fingers. There was blood all over. I feel they are still screaming."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5242602.ece
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« Reply #453 on: November 27, 2008, 02:26:33 AM »

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message673769/pg1

Mumbai : Inside Story   Quote

From my sources.

RAW, CIA, MI6, MOSSAD

False Flag.

Purpose: Assassinate Anti-Terror Chief who has uncovered evidence with regard to The Base as a state/intel False Flag Operation and recent activities in India see - Marriot Bombing. Kill American, English and Indian targets and to push India out of BRIC alliance towards US/UK/Israeli orbit.

Security measures at all targets were removed just days ago in preparation for the attacks.

Attacks will be blamed on an Indian Islamic group that operates in Mumbai.

That's all for now.

BIN - f'in -GO
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« Reply #454 on: November 27, 2008, 02:38:42 AM »

Reason for deadly attacks in Mumbai sought

BY ZACHARY R. DOWDY | zachary.dowdy@newsday.com
    November 27, 2008

As officials in India struggled to restore order to Mumbai in the wake of a series of simultaneous blasts in the commercial center yesterday, they also grappled with the question of why the attacks occurred.

A little known group called the Deccan Mujahideen notified media outlets and claimed responsibility for the bombings and shootings at seven sites at hotels, railway stations and other high-profile locations in Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay.

At least 101 people are dead, 200 hurt.

One scholar said the blasts were well-coordinated and that the perpetrators of what is one of India's worst terrorist attacks were armed to the teeth.

But just why the group attacked Mumbai, and at this time, escaped many observers in the early aftermath of the carnage.

The scholar said the latest bombings were sophisticated and far-reaching, the result of lot of planning and financing.

"It suggests a particularly international dimension," said Sunil Khilnani, a scholar at the Washington-based School of Advanced International Studies of Johns Hopkins University. "It suggests it is something beyond, outside the realm of Indian politics."

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/world/ny-wowhy275943639nov27,0,5559229.story
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« Reply #456 on: November 27, 2008, 02:41:58 AM »





The top guy looks Indian, not Paki, at least to me. Oh, they're the same guy, he looks robotic in the bottom pic, or at least zonked on crystal meth.

Am I trippin' or does his shirt say Versace, toooo weird, the Indian Andrew Cunanan?
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« Reply #457 on: November 27, 2008, 02:45:30 AM »

The top guy looks Indian, not Paki, at least to me. Oh, they're the same guy, he looks robotic in the bottom pic, or at least zonked on crystal meth.

I found three more, added above
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« Reply #458 on: November 27, 2008, 02:47:11 AM »

this blog has a really good running article on the situation. It's like a one-stop shop: http://www.ultrabrown.com/posts/bombay-under-terrorist-attack

"On NDTV, an Indian man trapped in the Taj said 6-7 of the terrorists he saw were foreigners."
In Update 20: http://www.ultrabrown.com/posts/bombay-under-terrorist-attack

What does he mean by foreigner? Non-Indian? That would mean the rest were Indian. Or does he mean white?
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« Reply #459 on: November 27, 2008, 03:00:09 AM »


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« Reply #460 on: November 27, 2008, 03:01:17 AM »

those were the guys i thought looked high on amphetamines...look at his eyes...these guys were probably the patsies, i wouldnt be surprised if they find them with two bullets in their head later on.

tomorrow drudge will have the main headline "India's 911" or "Our 911" and in red sub headline will read "stock market fall, fear, uncertainty"
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« Reply #461 on: November 27, 2008, 03:02:10 AM »

Thank you, everyone, for the coverage in this thread.  This Thanksgiving will be full of prayers.  
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« Reply #462 on: November 27, 2008, 03:06:22 AM »

http://www.indiauncut.com/

27 November, 2008
A Night Out In Mumbai (Updated)

"This is turning out to be one crazy night. A friend of mine had an opening of her art exhibition a few hours ago, so we ventured to South Bombay for that. We attended the exhibition, sipped the litchee juice, nibbled on party snacks, and then six of us headed out for dinner. First we tried Indigo Deli, which is a couple of hundred metres from the Taj. We were told there would be a 25-minute wait. So we headed to All Stir Fry, the restaurant in the Gordon House Hotel in a lane down from there. They told us we’d have to wait 20 minutes. We stepped out again, and as we did so, we heard gunshots, and saw people running towards us from the left side.

One of the hotel employees rushed out and told us to get back in. “There must have been an encounter,” he said. “Get back in, you’ll be safe inside.”

We followed him in. We waited in the lounge-bar upstairs for a while. The big screen there was showing cricket. India won. Then someone changed the channel.

That’s when we realised that this was much more than a random police encounter, or a couple of gunshots. We heard that terrorists with AK-47s had opened fire outside Leopold’s, the pub down the road. We heard there was firing elsewhere in the city as well, including in the Taj. We watched transfixed, and as the apparent scale of the incidents grew, we realised we couldn’t go home. We asked if they had a room vacant; they did, so we settled in, switched on the TV, and watched in horror.

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Uptil this point, these are the things we know from TV:

A bunch of terrorists opened fire in various parts of the city using AK-47s and suchlike. Some of them, it was reported, captured a police jeep and went around shooting people in that.

Terrorists captured parts of both the Taj and the Oberoi. There have been bomb blasts at both hotels. (We heard the second one at the Taj from our window in the Gordon House Hotel.) It is rumoured that foreigners have been taken hostage. It is reported that parts of the hotels are on fire.

At least four top police officers have been killed. Some members of parliament are reported to still be trapped inside the Taj.

There has also been attacks on the Marriott in Juhu, as well as the Ramada. There was an attack on VT Railway Station. There were blasts in Santa Cruz and Vile Parle. There was an attack on Cama Hospital, and, I’ve just heard, Bombay Hospital.

A petrol pump was blown up in Colaba, a couple of minutes walk from where we are.

And, just a minor statistic, no doubt, amid the horror of today: a diner was shot while coming out of Indigo Deli, where we were standing minutes earlier.

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I’m fine now, I suppose, in terms of physical safety. If I wasn’t accompanied by the partner, and if three of the six of us weren’t women (including one who is pregnant), I would have headed out to the Taj. But the area is cordoned off, and I don’t have a press pass anymore, so I’d probably have been turned away. A journalist friend of mine is outside the Taj, and speaking from her colleague’s cellphone—hers ran out of battery a while ago—she tells me that she is safe behind the armymen who have now arrived on the scene. I hope that helps. I hope this is over soon.

Earlier today, I was working on a final polishing of my novel before it goes to press. Now I wonder what’s the point. The book will come out in April, and Bombay will be a different city then. This book was written in a Bombay before these attacks; it will come out in a Bombay after these attacks, and it somehow feels, as I sit here in the business center of a boutique hotel a stone’s throw away from mayhem, that it will be inadequate. It is a love story—and isn’t that perverse?

But of course, I say that now, caught up in the moment, a little more emotional than I normally am. Maybe tomorrow it won’t seem so bad. Maybe next week we shall be normal again, and life will go on as it always has. Maybe I’ll come to Indigo Deli for dinner sometime, and when asked to wait 20 minutes, shall loiter in the pavement outside, enjoying the night air of this city I love so much. Maybe. Maybe not.

Update (10.25 am): Right, I’m safe at home now. We hardly slept, and were told early in the morning by friends that a curfew was going to be imposed on the city, and if we wanted to leave for home, we’d better leave right away. The news mentioned that three terrorists were still on the loose in the city, and the Taj still burnt, but we stepped out anyway and made it back safely. We passed the Ramada and the Marriott on the way, perhaps taking the same route that one group of gunmen took last night on the way to Borivali, where gunfire was also reported.

Suddenly, what is familiar seems macabre.

*

I was on Larry King Live on CNN about three hours ago. They called me and asked me to be on the show as an eyewitness, at which I protested that I hadn’t actually seen anything, I was merely in the vicinity. But they’d read what I wrote in this post earlier, and they wanted me to talk about that. So I agreed, and came on briefly. King asked me if I’d actually seen any terrorists—I felt guilty that I couldn’t offer him any dope there.

Deepak Chopra was also on the show, speculating that the attacks had taken place because terrorists were worried about Barack Obama’s friendly overtures to Muslims. (I know: WTF?) That sounded pretty ridiculous to me, but such theories are a consequence of our tendency as a species to want to give gyan. A media pundit, especially, feels compelled to have a narrative for everything. Everything must be explicable, and television expects instant analysis.

This is foolish, for sometimes events are complicated, and we simply need to wait for more information to emerge before we can understand it. But many of us—not just the pundits—don’t have the humility to accept that. We want to feel in control, at least on an intellectual level, so reasons and theories emerge. But the world is really far too complicated for us. Yet somehow we muddle along.

The right kind of gyan, in the immediate aftermath of this, is historical perspective, which Christiane Amanpour provided on King’s show. Anything else is premature.

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The kind folk at the Gordon House Hotel did three important things for us last night. One, they ushered us in when the gunshots began, assuring us that we’d be safer inside than outside. Two, they got us a room for the night, and extra mattresses and so on. Three, in the morning, they refused to accept payment for the room, insisting that we were their guests and this was their duty.

We left them a hefty tip out of gratitude, but I’m still in disbelief about their kindness. I often complain about the poor service in the hospitality industry in India, but never again about All Stir Fry or the Gordon House Hotel. What guys!

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We passed Churchgate on our way home at about 8.45. It was obviously nowhere near as crowded as usual. But still there was a steady stream of people headed out, staring ahead, trooping off to work. This city did not sleep last night, I know. But it will not rest either."
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« Reply #463 on: November 27, 2008, 03:06:41 AM »


Brocke! Awesome work!  Everyone please keep looking into the financial reasons for this false flag attack (9/11 bankrupted the entire US - the attack affected the entire wealth of the nation and that seems now to be the primary goal.)

This is the true motif by the G7 for control.

They cannot allow any wealth out of their hands.

They cannot allow any rougue nations that do not fall into their Ponzi debt scam system.

Like in every Die Hard movie...

"It is always about the money."

India's Gold:


Gold: The View from Mumbai - Monday 13th October 2008
Why do Gold Prices shoot up when financial markets are plunging to historic lows...?

AS WORLD STOCK MARKETS are caught in a tangling web of unprecedented turmoil, there is a glitter in the yellow metals market, writes Shiv Krishna for Commodity Online in Mumbai.

Gold prices are setting new records every day against non-US currencies, including the Euro and British Pound. As Asian markets opened on Friday after a dull holiday, the Bombay Stock Exchange benchmark index – the Sensex – fell to the nadir of desperation by plunging 1000 points and touching the 10,000-mark, its lowest level since June 2006.

But as brokers and traders cried over these markets in misery, Gold Bullion soared to new highs on fears of the global recession that's set to follow. At the NCDEX futures exchange, November contracts gained 3.64% to 14,085 Rupees per 10 grams. Gold December Futures at the MCX gained 3.86% at Rs 14,130 per 10 grams.

Why is it that Gold Prices shoot up when financial markets are plunging to historic lows?

Traders said Friday that concerns over global financial markets and also the depreciation of India's Rupee have created an appeal for gold as an alternative investment. Many people in the country are looking to hedge themselves against both further equity market losses as well as the ongoing inflation in Indian shop prices.

The metal has gained value in Rupee terms almost every year over the last four decades. India accounts for the largest single physical gold market in the world. And in the physical Gold Bullion market here in Mumbai last week, gold touched a new historic high on Wednesday of Rs 13,820 per ten grams.

Investors are looking at gold to moderate some of the risks in their portfolio. They are concerned mainly about counter-party risk, market risk and liquidity risk. Although gold does not necessarily remove the counter-party risk unless you own it outright – free from anyone else's business performance and balance-sheet – the current negative real yields paid on cash are also another reason to hold gold. In India, as in much of the developed world, the difference between interest rates and inflation is now below zero. So money itself, even if “safe” in a bank, is losing value as the cost of living rises.

Gold Investment has so far been immune to the financial crisis, except for those periods when the US Dollar strengthened. One of the reasons behind the longer-term Gold Price surge in recent times has been the fall in value of Dollar. That made commodities priced in the US currency cheaper for people earning and holding other currencies.

From 1998 to early-2002, gold prices stayed mostly below $300 per ounce with heavy central bank selling and little interest from investors. In April of 2002, prices broke above $300 and eventually traded their way up to $1,000 per ounce by March of 2008. This has been an incredible climb and it is hard to say if it is over yet or not as world production is not increasing. The current range, analysts here say, appears to be between $700 and $1,000.
Commodity Online, 13 Oct '08

http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/gold_india_mumbai_stock_market_inflation_101320084

The Indian people per capita have the most gold in the world. The Indian people love gold ALOT.

If you notice the trends for gold recently its been surging up after a drop.



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 * Gold inches up as euro bounces against dollar

 * Deadly attacks in India have yet to spur safe-haven
buying

 * SPDR bullion holdings rise   
 (Updates prices, adds quotes)

 By Lewa Pardomuan

 SINGAPORE, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Gold edged up Thursday after
the euro bounced against the U.S. dollar, but a series of
attacks in India's financial capital that killed at least 101
people has yet to ignite safe-haven buying.

 Suspected Islamist gunmen launched attacks in the heart of
Mumbai, taking many foreigners hostage in two of the city's
plushest hotels. Authorities closed stock, bond and foreign
exchanges as commandos and armed police laid siege to the
gunmen. [ID:nSP355003]

 Gold <XAU=> was trading at $814.55 an ounce, up $2.80 an
ounce from New York's notional close on Wednesday. It rallied
to a six-week high of $830.10 on Tuesday but has since
struggled to sustain the uptrend due to volatile oil and
currency markets.

 The physical sector barely moved in Singapore, with no
signs of buying from consumers in India after the attacks.
Premiums for gold bars were unchanged at between $1.50 and $3
to the spot London prices. <GOLD/ASIA1>

 "They (India) used to buy quite a lot, I think two weeks
ago, but not now. It's pretty slow," said Beh Hsia Wah, a
dealer at United Overseas Bank in Singapore.


 Gold, which was often bought by investors in times of
uncertainty, was 21 percent below a record high of $1,030.80
struck in March but has staged a dramatic rebound since
tumbling to a 13-month low of $680.80 in October.

 "Until we know more about who's involved, what their aims
and ambitions are, it may well be considered to be an isolated
incident," said Darren Heathcote of Investec of Investec
Australia in Sydney, referring to the attacks in India.

 "Therefore, it's less likely to affect the rest of the
world, and therefore, the gold price," said Heathcote, adding
that gold was likely to stay in the current range of $770 to
$825.

 India, the world's largest gold consumer, has suffered a
wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have been blamed on
Islamist militants, although police have also arrested
suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the
attacks.

  The world's largest gold-backed exchange-traded fund, the
SPDR Gold Trust GLD, said it held758.12 tonnes of gold in
bank as of Nov 26, up 3.06 tonnes fromNov. 21. [GOL/SPDR]

 "I am not sure about the situation in India and how it may
affect gold. But from the gold charts, the ranges are narrowing
again, so I guess we may see a much clearer direction maybe
today or tomorrow," said a dealer in Singapore.

 The euro firmed to $1.2923 <EUR=> after falling as low as
$1.2819 the previous session, partly on pessimistic views about
the impact of a European 200 billion euro stimulus plan on the
financial crisis. [USD/]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/goldMktRpt/idUSSP35064620081127
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« Reply #464 on: November 27, 2008, 03:12:32 AM »

BREAKING: Mumbai Terrorist Attack Traced to Russia

A report from the India Times says the email claiming responsibility for the Mumbai terrorist attacks has been traced to Russia.

    An unknown outfit, Deccan Mujahideen, has sent an email to news organizations claiming that it carried out the Mumbai attacks.

The report says the IP address that the email was sent from was located in Russia.

See the video report here: http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toivideolist/3761413.cms .

And this additional report (http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1709418) also linking the email to Russia:

    New Delhi: Ten people reportedly sneaked into Mumbai via the sea route from Karachi and carried out a pre-planned and well-orchestrated strike in India under the aegis of the dreaded Lashkar-e-Taiba militant outfit.
    A report on Times Now quoted intelligence agencies as saying that the timing of the terror attack coincided with efforts at peace talks between the newly elected regime in Pakistan and the authorities in India.

    The militants reportedly used speed-boats to get from the coast of Karachi to Mumbai and then spread out into the southern part of the city and spread mayhem around the central business district by storming two major hotels and opening indiscriminate fire at several places.

    The report quoted the intelligence agencies as saying that this information came from one of the captured terrorists after last night's heist in India's financial capital that saw more than 87 people lose their lives and 200 being injured with a few hostage dramas continuing for nearly 12 hours.

    The report also said that there was no group called the Deccan Mujahideen and the e-mail has been traced back to a fictitious IP address in Russia. It said that the hawkish elements in Pakistan stage-managed this terror attacks to coincide with the visit of Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who was to visit Chandigarh today in the company of his Indian counterpart Pranab Mukherjee, a trip that has since been cancelled.

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« Reply #465 on: November 27, 2008, 03:33:04 AM »

drumbeat to invade Pakistan building on the right-wing discussion boards:

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I hope to read the following in about three weeks:

“Military strikes were launched in numerous locations in Pakistan with joint U.S. and Indian forces. The Indian government had planned on striking on their own (options included discussion of tactical nuclear weapons) based on the results of their interrogation and analysis of satelite phone signals recorded by both Indian and U.S. intellegence. However, U.S. Secretary of State Rice was able to convince the Indians to use a combined strike force.

At least four urban locations and several remote locations were attacked using both manned and unmanned resources. At least 772 terrorists were killed and several surrendered. It is believed that several high-level terrorists were among the dead but identification is pending. Both conventional and unconventional weapons were captured, as well as a wealth of documents, computers and other resources.

While the Pakistani government offically condemns the attack, a highly placed official says that the attacks were given support by the Pakistanis based on the threat of possible nuclear weapons.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139084/posts#28
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Invade Pakistan, take their nukes back to the US (after deciphering the instructions written in Chinese), then leave the Muslimes to the tender mercies of India
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The report also said that there was no group called the Deccan Mujahideen and the e-mail has been traced back to a fictitious IP address in Russia. It said that the hawkish elements in Pakistan stage-managed this terror attacks to coincide with the visit of Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who was to visit Chandigarh today in the company of his Indian counterpart Pranab Mukherjee, a trip that has since been cancelled.

Nice find.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/mumbai-attacks-day-two/

Fire fighters rescued a C. Rich Diffenderffer, an executive vice president with Transitional Technologies, from a top floor at the Taj Hotel with a rescue basket. (Photo: Michael Rubenstein for The New York Times)

"Coordinated terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India killed at least 101 people and wounded more than 250. Several targets — at least two-five star hotels, the city’s largest train station, a Jewish center, a movie theater and a hospital — were attacked by militants wielding grenades and machine guns. Ongoing hostage situations continued through the night and morning at the Taj Mahal and Oberei Hotels and the Nariman House, which is the home of the city’s Chabad-Lubavitch center. (Read the New York Times article.)

The Lede has been watching the developments.

Update | 2:39 a.m. Some more from Suketu Mehta, via the International Herald Tribune’s Anand Giridharadas:

The writer Suketu Mehta captured brilliantly the dogged, resilient compassion of Mumbai in his book “Maximum City: Mumbai Lost and Found.”

In remarks he has given based on the book, he spoke of asking a man named Asad bin Saif, who worked at an institute for secularism, whether the chaos and slums and filth made him pessimistic about human beings. Here is how Mr. Mehta continued the story:

    “Not at all,” he responded. “Look at the hands from the trains.”

    If you are late for work in the morning in Bombay, and you reach the station just as the train is leaving the platform, you can run up to the packed compartments and you will find many hands stretching out to grab you on board, unfolding outwards from the train like petals. As you run alongside the train, you will be picked up and some tiny space will be made for your feet on the edge of the compartment. The rest is up to you; you will probably have to hang on with your fingertips on
    the door frame, being careful not to lean out too far lest you get decapitated by a pole placed too close to the tracks. But consider what has happened: your fellow-passengers, already packed tighter than cattle are legally allowed to be, their shirts already drenched in sweat in the badly ventilated compartment, having stood like this for hours, retain an empathy for you, know that your boss might yell at you or cut your pay if you miss this train, and will make space where none exists to take one more person with them. And at the moment of contact, they do not know if the hand that is reaching for theirs belongs to a Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Brahmin or untouchable, or whether you were born in this city or arrived only this morning, or whether you live in Malabar Hill or Jogeshwari, whether you’re from Bombay or Mumbai or New York. All they know is that you’re trying to get to work in the city of gold, and that’s enough. Come on board, they say. We’ll adjust.

Update | 2:08 a.m. Blake Hounshell writes on Foreign Policy’s Passport Blog that one must always be suspicious when a “new” terrorist organization crops up. The Passport Blog is not alone in asking about the sudden emergence of the Deccan Mujahideen, who claimed responsibility for the Mumbai attack.

The group, previously unknown, is named for an area in southern India. Some analysts are saying that the group is likely connected to the Indian Mujahideen, which has made credible claims of responsibility for other recent attacks in India. In May, the Indian Mujahideen threatened to attack tourist sites if the Indian government continued to support U.S. foreign policy, according to Reuters India. More from Reuters India:

    Witnesses say the attackers were young South Asian men speaking Hindi or Urdu, suggesting they are probably members of an Indian militant group rather than foreigners…

    … Analysts say that while it is not clear whether the claim is genuine, the attacks were most likely carried out by a group called the Indian Mujahideen. The name used in the claim of responsibility suggests the attackers could be members of a south Indian offshoot or cell of the Indian Mujahideen.

The Guardian also said that the tactics used in yesterday’s attack seemed similar to those of the Indian Mujahideen:

    [The] killings involved gunmen rather than the bombs used in the earlier attacks, the degree of coordination involved points to the same hand at work.

Update | 2:05 a.m. The bodies of two female guests have been recorded from the Taj Hotel, IBNLive reports. The commando operation at the hotel continues. In all, five terrorists have been killed and one arrested, while 11 police officers have died, the station reports.

Update | 2:04 a.m. We just heard from a reader, Supriya Nair, a journalist who works “in the Colaba area, not a minute from the Taj,” and wanted to share some thoughts about the coverage:

    Details matter.

    The hotel means as much to me as it does to any Mumbaikar, but I do wish people would stop talking about it. The people trapped there - and the ones injured and killed in less glamourous locations - are not symbols. The Taj itself has been rebuilt a couple of times after accidents and the like over the last century. This is not a city that has ever cared much for symbols. We build them all the time, they wash away, we build again. It’s the people who are the bricks of the city.

    I know international news services have been worried for their own (and my thoughts are with you, because I know how terrible it can be to wait for news from a loved one trapped in a situation like this). At last count, 95 out of over a 100 dead were Indians, though.

Update | 1:30 a.m. . Reuters is reporting that there could still be many hostages inside the Oberoi hotel:

    The deputy chief minister of India’s Maharashtra state said on Thursday that there could be between 100 and 200 guests and workers trapped in the Trident-Oberoi Hotel, with 10-12 militants also inside.

    “There could be 100-200 people inside the hotel, but we cannot give you the exact figure as many people have locked themselves inside their rooms,” R.R. Patil told reporters.

    “There could be 10-12 terrorists inside the hotel. There are no negotiations with the terrorists.”

Update | 1:08 a.m. Police and commandos began an operation against militants holding hostages inside the Trident Oberoi Hotel in Mumbai, local television stations said on Thursday, according to Reuters.

Update | 12:28 a.m. Vice Admiral Jagjit Singh Bedi is now on IBNLive saying that there are still 40 to 50 hostages in the Taj Hotel. We posted a live stream to IBN earlier, but here it is again.

Update | 12:11 a.m. Earlier, Suketu Mehta, who compared Mumbai to New York in his book Maximum City, attempted to put the scale of the attack in Mumbai in perspective for New Yorkers, saying that it would be “as if terrorists had taken over the Four Seasons and the Waldorf=Astoria and then were running around shooting people in Times Square.” Mayor Michael Bloomberg also saw a parallel between the two diverse financial capitals, pointing out that New York dealt with its own terrorist threat yesterday. He will attend a prayer service at the Ganesha Temple in Queens Thursday.

Our colleague Anand Giridharadas, who writes a column for the International Herald Tribune, sees the Taj Hotel as unique. He had this to say:

    Anyone, anywhere who has lived in Mumbai was gasping at the sight of a burning Taj Mahal Palace & Tower hotel. That is because it is not your average hotel.

    It is not another Sheraton or Hilton in the business district of another world city. It is the aorta through which anything glamorous, sentimental, confidential or profitable passes in Mumbai. Its major role is to serve its guests, who come from around the world and elsewhere in India. But it also serves the local city in a way that few hotels in the world could claim to do.

    If a momentous infidelity is being committed on a given night, or a billion-dollar business deal being inked, or a recklessly brilliant idea being hatched, there is a fair chance it is being committed,
    inked, hatched at the Taj. Mumbaikars who can afford it have their most romantic meals at its Wasabi restaurant, accept marriage proposals in its Sea Lounge, land job offers in its coffee shop.
    Non-guests are forbidden to use the pool. But so many Mumbaikars enterprisingly bring a towel, furnish a fake room number and dip into its manmade lagoon.

    It stands across from the Gateway of India. Those who would not dream of paying $3 – a decent daily wage – for one of its fresh-lime sodas sit outside the hotel, leaning against the stone wall on the sea. They take in the scene; they admire the finely dressed people breezing in and out. They know that it is not their time for the Taj now, but, should a fortune bless them, it is in the Taj they will spend it.

    Few other hotels of the world could say they were built out of spite.

    Legend has it that Jamsetji Tata, a nineteenth-century industrialist, was once turned away from a hotel in British-era Mumbai because he happened to be Indian. He decided, in a strange kind of revenge, to
    build the best hotel in the country, outfitted with German elevators, French bathtubs and other refinements from all around the world.

    The hotel became, for many Indians, a symbol of the overthrow of the indignities of the colonial age. And it became a symbol of the best that could be had in a city paved with dreams.

Update | 12:03 a.m. The Associated Press has an update on the siege at the Nariman House:

    Media reports say gunmen seized the Mumbai headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch overnight, and that shots have now been heard coming from the building.

    Representatives of the New York-based group referred questions to their Web site, which said the Israeli consulate had earlier been in touch with the rabbi who lived in the house, “but the line was cut in middle of the conversation. No further contact has since been established.”

Update | 11:50 p.m. CNN is reporting that the hostage situation at the Taj hotel has been resolved.

Update | 11:28 p.m. The Associated Press is reporting that the death toll now stands at 101:

    “Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 287 injured

    Officials said at least 6 militants had also been killed since the overnight attacks began around 9:30 p.m.”

Reuters is also reporting on statements made by a militant to India TV:

    A militant holed up inside Mumbai’s Oberoi Hotel told India TV on Thursday that seven attackers were holding hostages inside the luxury establisment.

    “There are seven of us inside hotel Oberoi,” the man identified as Sahadullah told India TV.

    “We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people.”

    “Release all the Mujahideens, and Muslims living in India should not be troubled,” he said.

Update | 11:11 p.m. The police have requested that reporters and tweeters do not discuss their movements, because they are concerned that the terrorists in the Taj and Oberoi Hotels are watching television to monitor the situation. IBN, an Indian broadcaster, reports that commando operations are taking place, but they cannot show images of the operation.

Update | 10:27 p.m. This morning in Mumbai, life has “come to a standstill,” according to IBN. The station reports that the markets will not open, schools and colleges are closed, many flights to Mumbai have been canceled or delayed and Crickets TwentyChampions League. have been shifted out of the city for the moment. The train system, which carries 16 million passengers daily, has only about 10 percent of its normal traffic.

South Mumbai is a “war zone”, according to the station, and the police appear to be moving on the Taj and Oberoi Hotels, where hostages are still being held.

If you have photographs of what is happening in Mumbai, we’d like see them. To submit a photograph, please send it by e-mail to the following address: world.nyt@gmail.com — and let us know when and where the photograph was taken and what it depicts. Please also include your name; if you would prefer not to be identified online, let us know that as well."
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« Reply #467 on: November 27, 2008, 03:41:50 AM »

12 young guys, 20 - 25 years old, can wreak so much havoc and can kill 100+ people and injure 200+ people in 8+ separate, simultaneous attacks?

Either:
1. There are more terrorists than 12
2. They are being helped by the authorities
3. The authorities really are not capable to dealing with any threat
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« Reply #468 on: November 27, 2008, 03:50:32 AM »

Out of all of those pictures from different places you only have two guys.
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« Reply #469 on: November 27, 2008, 03:54:02 AM »

Indian Mujahideen threatened to target Mumbai in September. Not sure if this has been posted already, couldn't find it though.


Indian Mujahideen threatens to target Mumbai
Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi,  September 14, 2008    

The Indian Mujahideen, which has claimed the responsibility for the serial terror blasts in Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bangalore and Jaipur, which killed at least 130 people in a span of four months, has now threatened to carry out attacks in India's financial capital - Mumbai.

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&issueid=71&task=view&id=15328&sectionid=4&Itemid=1
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« Reply #470 on: November 27, 2008, 03:59:58 AM »

India seeks Israel help in killing Muslims in Occupied Kashmir
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/8164
HERE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR THE MANY "TERRORIST ATTACKS" (COUNTER-INSURGENCY OPERATIONS) AGAINST AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN, AS WELL AS "FALSE FLAG" ATTACKS UPON INDIA BY ELUSIVE NEW GROUPS ("Indian Mujahideen")
INDIA WANTS ISRAEL TO REPLICATE THE FAILED GEORGIAN PROVOCATION IN KASHMIR.


India seeks Israel help in killing Muslims in Occupied Kashmir (Note: I cannot find original story)

India has turned to Israel for assistance in fighting so-called militants in the disputed Kashmir region, the Israel Today magazine reports.

Quoting Israeli media reports this week, the magazine said Israeli Gen Avi Mizrahi, head of Israel’s Ground Forces Command, reportedly paid a visit to Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) last week to assess India’s counterterrorism efforts and the preparedness of Indian forces.

The visit ended with a proposed agreement under which Israel will send teams of commandoes to train Indian soldiers in counterterrorism tactics and urban warfare, the report said. Mizrahi’s trip was kept secret for fear of sparking unrest among Indian Muslims, but has since been widely reported in the Indian and Pakistani press, the report said.
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« Reply #471 on: November 27, 2008, 04:08:11 AM »

More info that "Indian Mujahideen" is G7/CIA!


American expats caught up in Indian bomb blast inquiry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/29/india.terrorism

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday July 29 2008 13.19 BST

(Remember British SAS caught in Arab garb w/explosives in Iraq? This crap goes back 100's of years, divide conquer and get security contracts .., will dig on this "consultant" PMC?)

A bomb squad officer defuses a live device in Ahmedabad, India. At least 45 people were killed in a series of up to 16 explosions across the city. Photograph: Ajit Solanki/AP

When Indian police investigating bomb blasts which killed 42 people traced an email claiming responsibility to a Mumbai apartment, they ordered an immediate raid.

But at the address, rather than seizing militants from the Islamist group which said it carried out the attack, they found a group of puzzled American expats.

In a cautionary tale for those still lax with their wireless internet security, police believe the email about the explosions on Saturday in the west Indian city of Ahmedabad was sent after someone hijacked the network belonging to one of the Americans, 48-year-old Kenneth Haywood.

The IP address for the email claiming responsibility for an obscure group called the Indian Mujahideen was traced by police to Haywood's laptop. They then raided the plush 15th-floor apartment.

Officers believe the email could have been sent by anyone within two floors of Haywood's flat.

"He has never been detained, but we have called on him and questioned him as part of the investigation," said Parambir Singh, a senior officer in the anti-terrorism squad.

"He has said his email ID was hacked and evidence we have gathered shows that his network was used to forward the mail."

The Hindustan Times newspaper quoted Haywood, a business consultant, as saying the technician who set up the web connection had insisted he not change his default password.

He told the paper he had already complained about excessively high browsing bills: "I found that my net usage had suddenly increased and I started getting inflated bills."

Singh said Haywood and the other occupants of the flat — variously reported as being another man or his family — were still being questioned.

"We are not saying that they are suspects, but at the same time we cannot, at the moment, give them a clean chit," he said.

The hunt for those behind the blasts is now centred on Mumbai. Police believe the plot was hatched in the suburb of Navi Mumbai, from where four cars used in the attack were stolen.

The death toll from the 22 separate bombs was initially put at 45, but later reduced to 42 after it emerged some fatalities had been reported twice amid the confusion. More than 180 people were injured.
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« Reply #472 on: November 27, 2008, 04:09:28 AM »

More on Kenneth Haywood...

India Bombing,Yahoo!,Fox News,Kenneth Haywood,Campbell White,Door,Christian Fellowship Ministries
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/node/71510
by Tony Ryals | 08.01.2008



The only problem is, Campbell White, the firm that Haywood works for, is not a multinational company at all. Or, if it is, it’s certainly a very strange one. What I’ve managed to find out is that Campbell White is effectively a front for a far right Christian cult, and is far from the image being spun by Haywood and the media......Fortunately for them, Campbell White erased key details of its staff from its website in early July 2008. Unfortunately for them, Google caches such things, so ferrets like me can have ready access. What you find is a list of American and Australian expats fulfilling the usual roles (India managing director, manager of human resources etc..) Superficially there is nothing odd about that at all. What you find at the current site, however, is a strange list of first names (no “Ken” you might notice)... - from gnn article with link below

India Bombing,Yahoo!,Fox News,Kenneth Haywood,Campbell White,Door,Christian Fellowship Ministries
 

India Bombing,Yahoo!,Fox News,Kenneth Haywood,Campbell White,Door Ministries,Christian Fellowship Ministries

This is yet another upate from my last post on Jakarta Inymedia titled,''Yahoo!,India Bombing:Ken Haywood or Keith Heywood ?
U.S. military, police ? 'Kens White' his wife ?''

http://jakarta.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=1927

As well as :

Follow up to post :

Yahoo!,India Bombing:Kenneth Haywood,CampbellWhite Computer:Strange Fox News' Frank Luntz Connection

http://jakarta.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=1925

I have today come across a very good article from gnn website that does some good research.It appears whether Kenneth Haywood has been U.S military or police in past or not their Campbell White is a fraud company with right wing Christian fundamentalists behind it who appear to be in favor of stirring uo religious controversy and religious financial fraud whether in America,India or elsewhere. Appropriate that they Campbell White and Heyweood,et.al. see Rupert Murdoch's Fox News and or its U.S. Repulican Party spokesman Frank Luntz as their role model.While I post the article in full it is recommended to read the original at linkposted that will have additional links to the Google caches and 'chritian' websites documenting the article and investigation of gnn itself.

Tony Ryals

Opening the Doors of hell in India:

http://szamko.gnn.tv/blogs/28955/Opening_the_Doors_of_h...India

As I noticed in the Guardian yesterday, when police tracked down the wifi signal it turned out that the laptop from which it emanated belonged not to a wizened old sheik or a member of Mumbai’s mafia families, but to an “expat American” by the name of Kenneth Haywood.....

As Parambir Singh of India’s anti-terrorist squad put it, “We are not saying that they are suspects, but at the same time we cannot, at the moment, give them a clean chit.” And this was sensible, as Haywood’s computer remains in the lab being tested where, as the Hindu reports today, “it [will] take three or four days for completing the analysis of the hard disk.”

Meanwhile, Singh’s boss, Hemant Karkare told the Indian daily that “Experts are still on the job” and that Haywood, “is very much on the radar of suspicion.”.........

It is possible that Haywood has been the victim of an horrendous example of identity theft. Certainly, it would be nice to give a respectable guy who “has more than 20 years of experience in hands-on corporate training and has held senior positions with Fortune 500 companies” the benefit of the doubt.

The only problem is, Campbell White, the firm that Haywood works for, is not a multinational company at all. Or, if it is, it’s certainly a very strange one. What I’ve managed to find out is that Campbell White is effectively a front for a far right Christian cult, and is far from the image being spun by Haywood and the media. This will take a little explaining, but it’s well worth it.

Fortunately for them, Campbell White erased key details of its staff from its website in early July 2008. Unfortunately for them, Google caches such things, so ferrets like me can have ready access. What you find is a list of American and Australian expats fulfilling the usual roles (India managing director, manager of human resources etc..) Superficially there is nothing odd about that at all. What you find at the current site, however, is a strange list of first names (no “Ken” you might notice)...

But what of Ken Haywood himself, our man on the spot with the troublesome wifi connection which spews out hate e-mails seeking to stir up trouble between Hindus and Muslims? Well, armed with the connection between Door Christian Church and Campbell White, I searched for Ken Haywood and Door Ministries. What I found was an extremely detailed website run by a chap named Steve Schoner and entitled “After Potter’s House..”

It turns out that Schoner was sued in 1994 by a member of Potter’s House (an alternative name for the Door Church). His offence was protesting against the church’s cult like activities in Flagstaff Arizona. As you might have guessed, the man pressing the complaint was the very public spirited, Kenneth Haywood. Perhaps not the same man, but certainly a gem of a coincidence I hope you’ll agree.

Apparently, Haywood sued Schoner et al for “[causing] emotional damages because he referred to them as a cult and that their reaction to that was that they had physical manifestations….including a heart attack” and it was devilish placards like this that brought on the angst:

The dirty heathens! Joking aside, it turns out that the Christian Fellowship Ministries have stirred up a great deal of controversy for their cult like activities. Some parents have gone on the record claiming that their sons and daughters have been “lost” to them for years due to the CFM’s separatist tenets.......

CFM also has a novel and deeply profitable structure. As the KPHO report put it, “Some people also criticize the church’s financial structure, which is a pyramid structure. If one parish is able to set up another church — that church must send 5% of its offerings back to the sponsor church — and send 5% to the Mother church in Prescott [Arizona].” [More info on the church here, courtesy of investigator Rick Ross]

Could it be the CFM has identified an unprecedented growth market for its business model in the teeming millions of India?........

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Opening the Doors of hell in India
B28955 / Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:17:21 / "War on Terror"
Apologies for not posting in these parts for a while, but various reality-based necessities have intruded and limited my scope for wildcat investigation and general commentary. Never fear though, as I’ve got an intriguing tale up my sleeve to rouse the GNN crowd from its stupor. It involves hijacked wifi connections, mysterious car thefts, illegally rented apartments and the death of about 40 innocent people in the city of Ahmedenebad, India. It may also involve a whole lot more, and certainly more than the media is letting on (or willing to see).

Anyhow, let’s survey the facts of the matter as they stand. Last week 22 separate bomb blasts claimed between 42 and 45 lives in Ahmedabad, western India. This is nothing unusual, alas, in India at the moment, where bombings are becoming depressingly regular occurences. Authorities never seem to catch the culprits, and different groups continue to pop up to claim responsibility, although the police and the commentariat invariably use each atrocity as an opportunity to crack down on muslim student groups, or various factions in India’s criminal underworld.

Last week’s blasts were no exception. When a note claiming responsiblity did emerge, it was sent to India’s largest television networks, written in English and originating from a standard Yahoo account. It was also signed by a group called the “Indian mujahadeen” – previously unknown to authorities – and it focused on massacres committed by Hindus against Muslims (such as the Gujarat pogroms of 2002). The subject line of the note was “Await 5 minutes for the revenge of Gujarat” while its contents thundered that “In the name of Allah the Indian Mujahideen strike again! Do whatever you can, within 5 minutes from now, feel the terror of Death.”

When CNN-IBN received the note, it broadcast its contents and then sent the mail onto India’s police. Then, using some pretty elementary technical nous, the police managed to track the source of the mail to a wifi connection in the Navi Mumbai area of Mumbai, a newish development targeted decidedly at the upper range of Mumbai’s demographics. This was unusual – terrorists operating out of a yuppie suburb. Police also confirmed that the cars used in the Ahmedabad attacks were also stolen from Navi Mumbai.

It was surely then only a matter of time before the attackers were exposed and the kingpin behind the atrocities could be paraded before the cameras in a coup for justice against rampant islamist terror… But there was a snag. As I noticed in the Guardian yesterday, when police tracked down the wifi signal it turned out that the laptop from which it emanated belonged not to a wizened old sheik or a member of Mumbai’s mafia families, but to an “expat American” by the name of Kenneth Haywood.

What the hell had happened? Haywood claimed that his account had been hacked and that the terrorists had sneaked into his apartment block, used his connection and then scarpered, hiding their tracks as they went. Quite why they would then steal the cars from the same area, thereby alerting police to their activities (and providing an opportunity to track them down on CCTV etc..) was not explained.

Nevertheless, by and large the international and Indian media have accepted Haywood’s story. And who are we to disbelieve an account as reasonable as this (from the Guardian):

The Hindustan Times newspaper quoted Haywood, a business consultant, as saying the technician who set up the web connection had insisted he not change his default password…He told the paper he had already complained about excessively high browsing bills: “I found that my net usage had suddenly increased and I started getting inflated bills.”
As Parambir Singh of India’s anti-terrorist squad put it, “We are not saying that they are suspects, but at the same time we cannot, at the moment, give them a clean chit.” And this was sensible, as Haywood’s computer remains in the lab being tested where, as the Hindu reports today, “it [will] take three or four days for completing the analysis of the hard disk.”

Meanwhile, Singh’s boss, Hemant Karkare told the Indian daily that “Experts are still on the job” and that Haywood, “is very much on the radar of suspicion.”

Is it possible that an American working for what one paper describes as a “multi-national company” and another describes as an “executive training firm” could have been somehow involved in the massacre of 42 innocent people? Or, to add some more pertinent information, was he involved in the attempted massacre of hundreds more? Since the bombs exploded in Ahmedabad, police have found 19 devices in the town of Surat, some placed in packed marketplaces, and 7 explosions have hit Bangalore, with one fatality.

It is possible that Haywood has been the victim of an horrendous example of identity theft. Certainly, it would be nice to give a respectable guy who “has more than 20 years of experience in hands-on corporate training and has held senior positions with Fortune 500 companies” the benefit of the doubt.

The only problem is, Campbell White, the firm that Haywood works for, is not a multinational company at all. Or, if it is, it’s certainly a very strange one. What I’ve managed to find out is that Campbell White is effectively a front for a far right Christian cult, and is far from the image being spun by Haywood and the media. This will take a little explaining, but it’s well worth it.

Fortunately for them, Campbell White erased key details of its staff from its website in early July 2008. Unfortunately for them, Google caches such things, so ferrets like me can have ready access. What you find is a list of American and Australian expats fulfilling the usual roles (India managing director, manager of human resources etc..) Superficially there is nothing odd about that at all. What you find at the current site, however, is a strange list of first names (no “Ken” you might notice).

Anyhow, a little googling around with the actual names produces some very interesting results. I do hope the Indian police have been doing this, I really do. First port of call was to assess Campbell White’s corporate history, to provide a little meat to the investigation. What you find is a cached webpage describing how the very same firm provides(d) “chauffeur drive buses and taxis” in Bangalore, through its Bangalore Chauffeur Driven Buses and Taxis subsidiary. That taxi company was headed by the same David Curwen Walker (“an experienced chauffeur with over 25 years of professional driving in Australia and Africa”) who has since become “responsible for our Internal Legal Department, and integration of International Operations Training” according to the staff list deleted this month. Talented guy.

So searched for David’s web presence, figuring that a man with such experience would be all over the net. It turned out that he wasn’t really, but that a David Curwen Walker had posted a couple of items on a site called Churchfinder. At that site, Curwen Walker described himself as a “pastor” of the Door Christian Church in Kammanahalli dispensing “good, solid preaching of the Word of God.” Nice of him to balance driving, legal services and serving the Lord.

Anyhow, thinking that googling staff members had been a relative success so far, I picked another member with a distinctive name, Scott Grabowska. Astonishingly, a Scott Grabowska was listed as hosting a “special revival service” at the Door Church in Englewood Colorado, nightly services at the Potter’s House Christian Fellowship Church in Virginia Beach, VA and a service in Shreveport, Louisiana as well. This, while serving Campbell White, perhaps, as “International Protocol Trainer.”

Thinking that this could be a notable coincidence, I soldiered on, adding Jonathan Heimberg to the list. Heimberg is listed as Campbell White’s tech guy (“Senior Manager Information Services”) but could he be related to the Jonathan Heimberg who comments from Bangalore on the website worldcfm.com? Worldcfm, by the way, stands for “world Christian Fellowship Ministries.” Heimberg commented rapturously that “In the last week, we have seen a sovereign move of God. We have tapped a stream of converts from North East India, the state of Nagalin” adding that, “These bright, young people have come to Bangalore for Schooling and Hi-Tech careers, and a great many have begun coming to the church.”

So perhaps I was on a roll. Pushing my luck luxuriously, I moved onto Dan Rubianes, Campbell White’s managing director in Bangalore, no less. Well, google is not very forthcoming with details about Dan, but by sheer coincidence I’ve managed to track down the name at a forthcoming biblical spectacular – the 2008 Chandler International Bible Conference, being hosted by the Door Christian Center in Chandler, Arizona. There, a certain Dan Rubianes will be headlining alongside a certain Pastor Joe Campbell who, could quite easily be a distant relation of the Joe Campbell listed as the USA director of Campbell White.

If you want to get tickets it starts on August 10, so you’d better hurry. Incidentally, last year saw the appearance of a certain Scott Grabowska, so the connections really are rather deep I’d say. I hope you’ve stayed with me long enough to enjoy them.

But what of Ken Haywood himself, our man on the spot with the troublesome wifi connection which spews out hate e-mails seeking to stir up trouble between Hindus and Muslims? Well, armed with the connection between Door Christian Church and Campbell White, I searched for Ken Haywood and Door Ministries. What I found was an extremely detailed website run by a chap named Steve Schoner and entitled “After Potter’s House..”

It turns out that Schoner was sued in 1994 by a member of Potter’s House (an alternative name for the Door Church). His offence was protesting against the church’s cult like activities in Flagstaff Arizona. As you might have guessed, the man pressing the complaint was the very public spirited, Kenneth Haywood. Perhaps not the same man, but certainly a gem of a coincidence I hope you’ll agree.

Apparently, Haywood sued Schoner et al for “[causing] emotional damages because he referred to them as a cult and that their reaction to that was that they had physical manifestations….including a heart attack” and it was devilish placards like this that brought on the angst:

The dirty heathens! Joking aside, it turns out that the Christian Fellowship Ministries have stirred up a great deal of controversy for their cult like activities. Some parents have gone on the record claiming that their sons and daughters have been “lost” to them for years due to the CFM’s separatist tenets.

In one case, a 5 year old girl was subjected to the sight of a pastor dressing up as the devil and plunging her hands in a bucket of blood. The pastor in question, a man named Dan Mazon, “said the blood was fake, but admitted trying to scare the 5-year-old from sex and drugs” according to a 2004 news report by KPHO Phoenix. Mazon added chillingly that “That’s the problem with this generation that does not understand fear.”

CFM also has a novel and deeply profitable structure. As the KPHO report put it, “Some people also criticize the church’s financial structure, which is a pyramid structure. If one parish is able to set up another church — that church must send 5% of its offerings back to the sponsor church — and send 5% to the Mother church in Prescott [Arizona].” [More info on the church here, courtesy of investigator Rick Ross]

Could it be the CFM has identified an unprecedented growth market for its business model in the teeming millions of India?

CFM founder Wayman Mitchell has shown a passion for the spirit of the subcontinent in the past. As his website documents, in 1984 he and several disciples had an emotional experience on the site of the martyrdom of St. Thomas:

It is said that as he preached the gospel to a wild Indian tribe they pierced him through with a spear. As we stood overlooking that city I could not help but think how far this man had come. is so far that it staggers the mind. Remember, he had no airplanes, no modem [sic] means of transportation, none of the things we have…We think it is a great task when we climb on one of those monstrous 747’s to go around the world and land in twenty or thirty hours, but think of Thomas! He’d have to travel for several months at the very least and possibly years, to come to that wild place on the east India coast. This man had a world vision. God stir us as we read this that we may understand the seriousness of what we are talking about. When the Lord Jesus said, “I send you to the nations,” He was talking about a fundamental principle of world evangelism.
Later on, Mitchell related how “Not knowing what we were going to see Mike Maston, Larry Neville, Jack Harris and myself, were standing on the brink of destiny. God had placed within our hands the tools and the ability to affect that nation for eternity. He was opening the door. We are talking about a sovereign God, a king. This is a royal commission.”

Yes indeed, a “royal commission,” but what Indian police should be asking themselves is what, exactly has been committed?
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« Reply #473 on: November 27, 2008, 04:12:49 AM »

Even more on Kenneth Haywood...

THE STRANGE CASE OF ATS AND US CITIZEN KEN HAYWOOD FLEEING INDIA
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http://ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/the-strange-case-of-ats-and-us-citizen-ken-haywood-fleeing-india/
Tuesday, August 19, 2008


Times of India redeem ED its credibility when it published as its front page banner headlines, the shocking news of Haywood leaving India despite a lookout notice. Haywood had been under Anti Terrorist Squad’s scrutiny, over the matter of the infamous Email supposedly sent out in the name of a fictitious organisation calling itself ‘Indian Mujahideen’, traced to Key Haywood’s laptop. For over weeks, while ATS had questioned reportedly 1000 people and searched neighbourhood apartments, trying to figure out, how Ken Haywood’s laptop could have been hacked, if at all. A narco test on Haywood too had been carried out. According to ATS, Haywood has not been arrested. In Muslim circle, this glaring discriminative practice is a matter of much debate and heartburn, that just because Haywood is a US citizen, he is being given preferential such kid glove treatment. If a similar case had been observed involving an Indian Muslim, the accused would have been summarily incarcerated and given third degree while questioned. Back in US too, Indian citizens have been given similar harsh treatment, when suspected of even peripherally being associated with some terror incident.

ATS has asked him to be available for questioning and a lookout notice has been issued to the immigration authorities. Still, the man, possibly through US consular help, was able to hoodwink immigration authorities at New Delhi airport and flew off to the US.

So much for the spine of Indian authorities who are being harangued to cooperate with the US over global terrorism and for their discriminative behavior when it involves two different nationalities, on their own!

Ken Haywood’s background is reported to be anything but straight forward.

The Indian Express carries a report: ‘The curious case of Kenneth Haywood’, published on Thursday, August 14, 2008:

( http://www.indianexpress.com/story/348646.html )

The curious case of Ken Haywood


Posted online: Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 0052 hrs

As the American undergoes lie detector test, the Anti-Terror Squad is trying to figure out the man behind his personae

Sagnik Chowdhury, Smita Nair & Johnson T A

Mumbai/ Bangalore , August 13: Ken Haywood, the American national from whose Internet Protocol (IP) address the terror e-mail was sent prior to the Ahmedabad serial blasts, underwent lie detector tests on Wednesday, a senior police official said in Mumbai. Maharashtra’s Anti-Terror Squad (ATS), which is probing the case, traced the e-mail to Haywood’s flat in Navi Mumbai and found that his background and job were “of a slightly dubious nature”. But the information available so far is not good enough to charge him or suggest his involvement in the case.

 “We have conducted inquiries on Haywood’s background and his company. These are of a slightly dubious nature, and even the company he works for and its office are a bit suspect,” ATS chief Hemant Karkare told The Indian Express. “However, this does not directly link him with the case in any way. After all, having a suspicious background, or even working for a bogus company is not enough to book anyone for involvement in terror activities,” he added.

G S Hegde, Haywood’s lawyer, said: “The ATS has not said anything about Haywood’s personal life, or his involvement in any criminal activities. We maintain he is innocent.”

The police in Mumbai and Bangalore have said there is primary evidence to show that Haywood’s wi-fi account was hacked into and compromised, resulting in the terror e-mail on July 26 — five minutes before the blasts. Questions remain as to who did it and how they picked on Haywood’s computer network.

Haywood is supposed to be a corporate training manager and general manager with a company called Campbell White, which describes itself on its website as a “premier executive soft skills trainer”.

On the corporate side, Daniel Rubianes is the managing director of the company with its main office at the first floor of the M S Plaza in east Bangalore. Rubianes, like many other employees of Campbell White, wears a second hat. On Thursdays and Sundays, he is pastor Dan Rubianes, the head of the Door Christian Centre — a church with origins in Arizona in the US but relatively new to India. Door Christian Centre is a part of the Pentecostal Christian Fellowship Ministries, also known as the Potter’s House. Haywood is a functionary of the Potter’s House in Mumbai.

The Indian Express found that the Mumbai office of the MNC is located in two small adjoining rented rooms on the ground floor of Sanpada railway station complex in Navi Mumbai. The two rooms also serve as prayer rooms on Sundays and Thursdays for the Potter’s House. A notice pasted on the wall says the community service has been cancelled until further notice and is signed by Haywood.

Brother Richard D’Souza, the contact person for the centre, said, “We have been running our prayer service for the last one year from these premises. It is only this year that Campbell White opened its branch here.” He said 20 students learn English from Haywood.

Campbell White has, meanwhile, removed details regarding its employees from its website to protect “workers and their families from malicious intents by anyone”. “Campbell White will continue to support police authorities with full cooperation… We have emphasised to them that they should work diligently and quickly to find suspects and bring them to justice so that Mr. Haywood may return to his normal course of business,” it says.

ATS officials raided Haywood’s residence on July 27. Ten computers from neighbouring houses and Haywood’s residence were sent to the Kalina Forensic Science Laboratory for analysis.

Physical and Internet-based checks on other past and present employees of Campbell White like Scott Grabowska, a former Mumbai-based international protocol trainer, David Curwen-Walker, a senior operations manager, and Jonathan Heimberg, a senior information services manager, both in Bangalore, have shown links to the church. For instance, Curwen-Walker and Heimberg head the Door churches at Kammanahalli and Koramangala in Bangalore.

However, Campbell White and the Door church officials have remained elusive on the links between the two entities. When contacted Michael White, an Australia-based director for Campbell White, refused to comment on the India operations. “You must speak to Dan Rubianes in Bangalore,” he said.

Some churchgoers at the Door Christian Centre in Cox Town in Bangalore said Rubianes had left for the US on August 3 to attend a Bible conference in Arizona.

“Campbell White is a business that pastor Dan runs. We as churchgoers are not aware of its nature,” said Hemanth Kumar, an engineering student, who has been associated with the church since it began three years ago. “Being American, pastors are equipped to work as accent trainers. In Bangalore, many such people work in churches,” added Ravi Kumar, a member of the church in Bangalore.

Incidentally, Joseph Campbell, who is listed as the US director of Campbell White, is believed to be the seniormost pastor of the Door church in Arizona.

editor@expressindia.com
 
It is therefore strange that one clue, that could have possibly turned the whole direction of bomb blast investigations to foreign elements, was so callously handled. Even for media, this is most unusual and has created great suspicion in the minds of people that a bogey of SIMI line up of usual suspects had been used to camouflage, the possible link of a sleeper cell posing as Christian Missionaries that could have been behind the overall organisation of the serial bomb blasts, in Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Surat, through their local agents.

Some more surprises were in the pipeline, when one fine day last week, columns and columns of print media space, in Times of India and other newspapers, written out by possibly each and every of their writer staff, doing overtime work, to have come out with the greatest fiction story of the arrests and involvement of SIMI suspects, without any need to provide any hard facts over such allegation. Given police record, people are most skeptical about their Goebbellian propaganda bringing out the true facts. Police credibility is at its lowest ebb. And if the media is hand in glove with such dubious exercises, it will not only lose its own credibility, but would do a great disservice to the nation.

Under such an atmosphere of press bending to political and police pressure to break fake stories on the gullible public, Times of India’s strong exception to the flight of Kenneth Haywood, is certainly laudable. This proves that there are more to the affairs of the state than that is revealed to the public. The dangerous game that some rogue elements are playing in demonizing a preferred victimized community cannot bring peace to the nation. The real culprits with international agenda of destabilising country after country, for self-serving objectives, should be brought to justice. But before that the people should be dutifully informed with the stark facts and nothing but the facts.

Kenneth Hayward’s lead should not be left out of the investigation of serial bomb blasts in Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Surat. His possible accomplices, if any, should be traced and exposed. India cannot afford to go soft on terror, coming from sources other than those conveniently preferred by a prejudiced police and investigative force. All leads should be dutifully pursued in the interest of the security, integrity and communal harmony of the nation.

 
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« Reply #474 on: November 27, 2008, 04:19:19 AM »

Did Kenneth Haywood have any military training?

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YES

from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Haywood

Kenneth L. Haywood Birth 1964 Attended both Prescott, AZ, and Kingman, AZ High schools to Graduation in 1981 Honorably Discharged from both US Marine Corps, and US Navy.

Why was he discharged and serving in two separate branches of the US military?  Does this usually indicate some type of special forces training?

Nothing to see here guys, go back to sleep.

All coincidences.
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« Reply #475 on: November 27, 2008, 04:30:26 AM »

TOTAL INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is like a spy thriller.
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« Reply #477 on: November 27, 2008, 04:39:06 AM »

From 2006...


How does the US benefit from a destabilization of India?
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_991.shtml

A breakout of war between Pakistan and India favors US geostrategy in a number of ways. The possibilities will undoubtedly be analyzed, in coming weeks and months.

Broadly, the collapse of the Indio-Pak peace process opens the political doors for new US military interventions on the Eurasian subcontinent, and a restrengthening of the US presence on the Eurasian corridor, (which has, in recent months, been weakened by perceived failure of the Bush administration’s Iraq operation).

The other geopolitical “games” that benefit from violence in India include the setup towards any military action in Iran, revived operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the continuing superpower chess games with China and Russia. The overriding long-term imperative for all nations, of course, is energy.

As Ruppert notes in Crossing the Rubicon:

“If energy demand in China, India and Indonesia is allowed to grow as much as analysts say it will, then these three countries may well crowd the rest of the world out of the energy market . . . It is plain that growing energy demands will bring China, India and Indonesia into conflict with the developed world. The United States in particular, as the top world consumer of oil, will likely either have to curb consumption to make room for other countries or will have to find some way to curb demands of the emerging energy consumers. Moreover, competition for diminishing oil resources could threaten the US dollar hegemony over world oil transactions.”

According to Ruppert, the US attitude on India and energy is mixed. “Being so energy-poor, India may have no choice but to take what they can get," from Pakistan (which, prior to recent violence, was on course to provide India with access to a proposed Central Asian gas pipeline). At the same time, “it is foreseeable that India . . . may be left to starve, with much of the third world. Or it is possible that a nuclear exchange and/or a bloody war could be spurred on between India and Pakistan strictly for the purpose of population reduction. Such designs are despicable, but not out of the range of possibilities for starving nations.”

Finally, there is also the perennial propaganda imperative on the part of the Bush administration, and its many “allies in the war on terrorism." All perceived dips in mass public perception of the “war on terrorism” have triggered real as well as manufactured-for-media terror events. The Indian government, not surprisingly, is “vowing to battle terrorism," and issuing statements that repeat time-honored anti-terrorist rhetoric. And another shell-shocked populace is “reeling."

A final sickening reality is that Anglo-American-Israeli “war on terror” aggression has (by design as well as unintentionally) fomented and unleashed real terrorism and “blowback” that can no longer be controlled.
In the end, as was the case with 9/11, London 7/7, Bali, and every other post-9/11 “terror” calamity, we are left with another horrific tragedy. But we have also been handed a damning new evidence trail that leads to suspects in high places with means, motive, opportunity -- and geostrategy.
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« Reply #478 on: November 27, 2008, 04:44:38 AM »

Keep in mind that intelligence agencies are no longer working for sovereign nations but for the G7...

The Chip Tatum Chronicles
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Testimony of Government Drug Running
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Former CIA/DIA deep-cover agent "Chip" Tatum reveals more disturbing details about high-level control of global drug-running and money-laundering operations.

Vietnam Special Forces Air Combat Controller; 25-year CIA deep-cover agent; US Army pilot flying classified missions during the US invasion of Grenada; Iran-Contra pilot flying cocaine shipments labelled as medical supplies; and member of the ultra-secret, international G7-run Pegasus "hit team"...this is the extraordinary story of Gene "Chip" Tatum.

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PEGASUS: ASSASSINATION & NEUTRALISATION

Tatum has gone into considerable additional detail regarding the role of Pegasus as he knew it. He believes Pegasus was established during the Eisenhower years as a secret group inside the CIA to spy on that agency on behalf of the President. At some point - believed to be after the assassination of President Kennedy - Pegasus went AWOL from direct US Government control and came under the direction of an international Board of Directors which Tatum alleges now includes George Bush and Henry Kissinger.

The directors of Pegasus meet once a year in secret conclave following G7 meetings. The group has "representation" from a number of intelligence agencies throughout the world. Included are the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) as well as agents from British, Israeli, Turkish and Danish Intelligence plus "others who performed various functions for Pegasus".7 The mission of Pegasus, Tatum explains, is "to 'align' world leaders and financiers to our [US] policies and standards".

One of Tatum's Pegasus duties included flying "Archer Teams" (four-man hit teams) in his helicopter to their insertion point.8 He states that Enrique Bermudez was assassinated in 1991 by a Pegasus team, adding he "was shot in the back of the head while walking down the street...from about 150 yards". Bermudez, known as "Commander Three Eight Zero" was the senior Contra leader. Tatum received two broken ribs when he came under small-arms fire during the assassination.9

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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #479 on: November 27, 2008, 04:51:41 AM »

does anyone think they are purposely burning down the taj? anyone watching the live feed?
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