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Christians on the defense in California
« on: November 19, 2008, 01:19:13 AM »
Hundreds of homosexual activists rushed out of bars and swarmed a group of Christians who were singing songs in San Francisco's Castro District – and some even threatened to kill the worshippers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsxojbyAQGI

Sparks fly as 'gay' activist mob swarms Christians
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I guess we can't vote on what "is" is in this country.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 01:20:53 AM »
Funny, they love it when the majority votes 51%-49% on a pro-Gay issue.

But they sure have a problem if it is the other way around....that vote was CLOSE. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 01:34:11 AM »
Funny, they love it when the majority votes 51%-49% on a pro-Gay issue.

But they sure have a problem if it is the other way around....that vote was CLOSE. 

yeah funny how 51 voted anti and there is no church of the black man to riot at..
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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 02:07:55 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 02:37:49 AM »
Interesting how they preach tolerance until they don't get their way, then throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of spoiled children. If they had gotten their way, they would have rubbed it in everyone's faces and praised democracy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 06:59:35 AM »
They should riot at a Mosque.  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 07:08:44 AM »
Hundreds of homosexual activists rushed out of bars and swarmed a group of Christians who were singing songs in San Francisco's Castro District – and some even threatened to kill the worshippers.

So why are a bunch of Christians singing songs in San Francisco's Castro district? I guess they are trying to set the "queers" straight. Is that worshiping? No, it's rubbing salt in the wound. I'm glad prop 8 was voted in, but please leave the gays alone and sing your songs in church.

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2008, 07:19:08 AM »
Funny, they love it when the majority votes 51%-49% on a pro-Gay issue.

But they sure have a problem if it is the other way around....that vote was CLOSE. 

It's not up to the majority to decide, it's about individual freedom, something that should be respected.  That doesn't excuse the behavior of certain individuals however, yet it shouldn't punish the entire demographic.  Since the religious use that talking point, it doesn't only apply to them.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008, 07:29:33 AM »
It's not up to the majority to decide, it's about individual freedom, something that should be respected.  That doesn't excuse the behavior of certain individuals however, yet it shouldn't punish the entire demographic.  Since the religious use that talking point, it doesn't only apply to them.

So by your thinking we should allow child molesters and serial murders to run amok also? I mean that is an individual choice. For any society to work there has to be rules, or that society will collapse. Even in Massachuesetts the vote would most likley win if they were allowed to vote on it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2008, 08:31:58 AM »
So by your thinking we should allow child molesters and serial murders to run amok also? I mean that is an individual choice. For any society to work there has to be rules, or that society will collapse. Even in Massachuesetts the vote would most likley win if they were allowed to vote on it.

Ah, the good ol' comparison of gay people to child molesters and serial murders... Nice to see such a high standard on these forums...

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2008, 08:35:44 AM »
Ah, the good ol' comparison of gay people to child molesters and serial murders... Nice to see such a high standard on these forums...

So personal freedom and individual choice should only apply to one sect of people? What about the choices of others in society? Child molesters claim they also are born this way. You have NAMBLA supporting this view. Should we pass special laws for these individuals or should society as a whole set the standards they wish to live in? Your argument is a straw man.
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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 09:11:05 AM »
Freedom and liberty should apply to all people, unless it harms someone else. Pedophilia harms others. Murder harms others. Two people having consentual sex in their home and being able to visit each other in hospital and being able to put each other on their insurance and otherwise enjoying the same rights others take for granted, does not harm others.

When they break laws like the whole nasty sex in the street during gay week thing, then they are intruding upon others, and that should be equally illegal as it is for everyone else.

But for the most part, the ridiculous comparison to pedophilia or murder is just that- ridiculous. It's one thing to force or coerce another person into losing their freedoms, but quite another to have two people mutually consent to do something that you just happen to disagree with.

I agree with the likelihood that they were there singing some sort of "we're here to save you, you worthless pieces of shit" crap, not there "worshipping." That's about as likely a place to "worship" as a bunch of christians showing up at the strip club on a Saturday night. Then when they get the predictable bad treatment, they can shriek persecution and show how hostility is increasing towards christians, naturally for no good reason at all.  ::)
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 09:14:29 AM »
So personal freedom and individual choice should only apply to one sect of people? What about the choices of others in society? Child molesters claim they also are born this way. You have NAMBLA supporting this view. Should we pass special laws for these individuals or should society as a whole set the standards they wish to live in? Your argument is a straw man.

By being gay who do I hurt physically or mentally? By your argument we should treat people who have a certain sexual fetish (like SM, leather, do it doggy style or whatever), who like to dress up differently or who like apple pie, the same as those child molestors or muderers? Or is your argument that every gay person is a child molester? I had to look up NAMBLA, as I'm Dutch and had no clue what it is. So there was an organisation in the past that held the following views (quoting a few loose things):

"end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships"
"the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."
"NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for people seeking sexual contacts"
"and it does not engage in any activities that violate the law [or] advocate that anyone else should [violate the law]."

So what is your argument with this organisation? That everyone who is gay is like that? That NAMBLA speaks for the entire gay community? Should I look up the statistics for you that percentage wise the most child abuse cases are being perpetrated by straight people? Go on to the internet and without even any trouble you will find websites of 4 to 12 year old girls posing in the most disgusting ways for those hordes of horny straight men. Ever heard of a gay person holding his child hostage for over 10 years and banging that poor girl causing her to give birth to 4 children? Shall I then conclude that every straight person is like that and that society as a whole has a duty to percieve every straight person in the same way as any child molester and murderer?

Seriously, drop the crap.


Your argument is a straw man.

Oh and where did I make an argument in my previous post? I just ridiculed your own flawed argument... Now for this post you may state how bad my argumentation is though.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 09:18:45 AM »
It dosent surprise me in the least that youd fall on that side of the fence. Had to throw your hate around too. Sheesh.

But any way NAMBLA is pushing the same agenda. Consenting people should love one another regardless of age. Society sets rules in place for a reason. This being one of them. Maybe they would have had a more receptive chance if they didnt do the stuff they do in the streets, or demand special days like Gay Day at walt disney world. Plus if they couldnt get this passed in california well then, society at large has spoken. And they have said no.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 09:28:41 AM »
It dosent surprise me in the least that youd fall on that side of the fence. Had to throw your hate around too. Sheesh.

Please show me where I did that...


But any way NAMBLA is pushing the same agenda. Consenting people should love one another regardless of age.

From what I've read, NAMBLA has essentially ceased to exist, so it isn't pushing any agenda at the moment. Try to stay up to date.


Maybe they would have had a more receptive chance if they didnt do the stuff they do in the streets, or demand special days like Gay Day at walt disney world. Plus if they couldnt get this passed in california well then, society at large has spoken. And they have said no.

Talking about flawed and unrelated argumentation. You do have an idea what the situation in California was all about? In simple terms: the vote was about the banning of same-sex marriage, nothing about this whole NAMBLA stuff...


I do apologize to the OP for derailing this thread though, but I had to set a few things right.

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2008, 09:29:51 AM »
By being gay who do I hurt physically or mentally? By your argument we should treat people who have a certain sexual fetish (like SM, leather, do it doggy style or whatever), who like to dress up differently or who like apple pie, the same as those child molestors or muderers? Or is your argument that every gay person is a child molester? I had to look up NAMBLA, as I'm Dutch and had no clue what it is. So there was an organisation in the past that held the following views (quoting a few loose things):

"end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships"
"the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."
"NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for people seeking sexual contacts"
"and it does not engage in any activities that violate the law [or] advocate that anyone else should [violate the law]."

So what is your argument with this organisation? That everyone who is gay is like that? That NAMBLA speaks for the entire gay community? Should I look up the statistics for you that percentage wise the most child abuse cases are being perpetrated by straight people? Go on to the internet and without even any trouble you will find websites of 4 to 12 year old girls posing in the most disgusting ways for those hordes of horny straight men. Ever heard of a gay person holding his child hostage for over 10 years and banging that poor girl causing her to give birth to 4 children? Shall I then conclude that every straight person is like that and that society as a whole has a duty to perceive every straight person in the same way as any child molester and murderer?

Seriously, drop the crap.


Oh and where did I make an argument in my previous post? I just ridiculed your own flawed argument... Now for this post you may state how bad my argumentation is though.

Sure will,

Society has rules against child molesters the problem is those laws are not being enforced with the will that they should be. The argument still applies to gays, they claim they are born this way. Child moleesters claim they are born this way NAMBLA (which is still around) claim the are born this way. Again by your guys thinking we should allow there behavior, because they were born this way. People with certain sexual fetishes should keep it in the bedroom not broadcast to society as a whole. You didn't ridicule my logic at all, if 2 gay men can have a relationship than why cant a gay man and a gay 12 year old. Whats wrong as long as they are consenting. Why cant a man marry 4 woman, or have a 12 year old wife? Whats the harm if they are consenting?

The argument comes back to society setting the moral codes for it's self. Or really just where does moral disgust starts and ends. You might approve of 2 gay men but not a man and a teenager, why? If they are consenting to one another than you should have no problem with it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2008, 09:30:20 AM »
Please show me where I did that...


From what I've read, NAMBLA has essentially ceased to exist, so it isn't pushing any agenda at the moment. Try to stay up to date.


Talking about flawed and unrelated argumentation. You do have an idea what the situation in California was all about? In simple terms: the vote was about the banning of same-sex marriage, nothing about this whole NAMBLA stuff...


I do apologize to the OP for derailing this thread though, but I had to set a few things right.

That post isnt for you.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2008, 09:39:39 AM »
But for the most part, the ridiculous comparison to pedophilia or murder is just that- ridiculous. It's one thing to force or coerce another person into losing their freedoms, but quite another to have two people mutually consent to do something that you just happen to disagree with.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2008, 09:41:44 AM »
Hundreds of homosexual activists rushed out of bars and swarmed a group of Christians who were singing songs in San Francisco's Castro District – and some even threatened to kill the worshippers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsxojbyAQGI

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2008, 09:42:07 AM »
What an idiotic argument. Saying that consenting people regardless of age is the exact same thing as consenting people who are of age makes you look like an idiot. But then again, what else can we expect. Take away your copy and paste ability and you'd have a hard time talking at all. Children cannot consent to sex, because they can't understand the full ramifications of what they are consenting to. All children consent to when they consent to sex is pleasing the adult and asking for their love. The adult is who sets the parameters of how the child may please them, and thus it is clearly the adult that has coerced the child into an inappropriate relationship that endangers not only their mental health, but their body as well.

It would be a very good thing for society to be able to tell you what you may and may not do and thing with any other consenting adult. Then we could keep you from ever reproducing. You might not like that idea, but there are obviously people who really LOVE that idea. It would be good for society to tell you not to reproduce with anyone, or even to risk it through having sex with anyone. In this way, the rest of us can have more resources and be more comfortable in life, without you and your progeny stealing things right out of our mouths.

Plus, I don't like looking at you holding hands in public, and I don't like you running around with your nasty little animal rug-rats. How embarassing to have to see people with children and know they f*cked and then pushed a baby out of their steaming, bloody hole. How perverse and disgusting.

Yeah... you ARE just like the NWO. They have the same hatred for you and your lifestyle as you have towards homosexuals. When I see posts like yours, I actually see where they are coming from. You want to control others and you hate others and you hate looking at them... and the NWO feels that way about you. They want to control you, they hate you, they hate looking at you. They don't care if you are two consenting heterosexual adults, they just want you dead, and see you as less than animals. In fact, they see you as WORSE than pedophilia.

Judge not, lest ye be judged by the same measure as ye judge others. No wonder we are in this mess, we were predominantly Christian for so long, with so many people determined to control and hate others... and now we are the ones that others want to control, and are hated. Good job, assholes.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2008, 09:46:29 AM »
Judge not, lest ye be judged by the same measure as ye judge others. No wonder we are in this mess, we were predominantly Christian for so long, with so many people determined to control and hate others... and now we are the ones that others want to control, and are hated. Good job, assholes.

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2008, 09:53:10 AM »
What an idiotic argument. Saying that consenting people regardless of age is the exact same thing as consenting people who are of age makes you look like an idiot. But then again, what else can we expect. Take away your copy and paste ability and you'd have a hard time talking at all. Children cannot consent to sex, because they can't understand the full ramifications of what they are consenting to. All children consent to when they consent to sex is pleasing the adult and asking for their love. The adult is who sets the parameters of how the child may please them, and thus it is clearly the adult that has coerced the child into an inappropriate relationship that endangers not only their mental health, but their body as well.

It would be a very good thing for society to be able to tell you what you may and may not do and thing with any other consenting adult. Then we could keep you from ever reproducing. You might not like that idea, but there are obviously people who really LOVE that idea. It would be good for society to tell you not to reproduce with anyone, or even to risk it through having sex with anyone. In this way, the rest of us can have more resources and be more comfortable in life, without you and your progeny stealing things right out of our mouths.

Plus, I don't like looking at you holding hands in public, and I don't like you running around with your nasty little animal rug-rats. How embarassing to have to see people with children and know they f*cked and then pushed a baby out of their steaming, bloody hole. How perverse and disgusting.

Yeah... you ARE just like the NWO. They have the same hatred for you and your lifestyle as you have towards homosexuals. When I see posts like yours, I actually see where they are coming from. You want to control others and you hate others and you hate looking at them... and the NWO feels that way about you. They want to control you, they hate you, they hate looking at you. They don't care if you are two consenting heterosexual adults, they just want you dead, and see you as less than animals. In fact, they see you as WORSE than pedophilia.

Judge not, lest ye be judged by the same measure as ye judge others. No wonder we are in this mess, we were predominantly Christian for so long, with so many people determined to control and hate others... and now we are the ones that others want to control, and are hated. Good job, assholes.

Where did i copy and paste here? You just cant see past your blinders can you. Your such a joke that its not even funny talking to you any more. Just where dioes your moral line get crossed hunh? At 12 years, at 13  maybe 14. Your just mad that society is still clinging to some decencey here. If you allow this than where do you stop? Just where do you draw the line on a moral scale? Society has spoken deal with it.

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Judge not, lest ye be judged by the same measure as ye judge others. No wonder we are in this mess, we were predominantly Christian for so long, with so many people determined to control and hate others... and now we are the ones that others want to control, and are hated. Good job, assholes.

These people have judged themselves. You know whats in store or at least you claim to. HA ha, i bet you cannot wait untill all Christians are gone. then what kind of society will you have then. have fun with it.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2008, 09:59:12 AM »
But speaking of 'Judgments' - how is it that these people causing problems know those people voted against gay marriage?

"All gays are child molesters" - is as much of an idiotic statement as "all Christians seek to prevent gay marriage". right? It's making an assumption on both ends, that's likely false.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2008, 10:00:05 AM »
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So by your thinking we should allow child molesters and serial murders to run amok also? I mean that is an individual choice.

These statements are ignorant and filled with hate.   They're like a white elephant in the room which everyone keeps praying will leave.

No Doc, it's not Pheonix's fault, don't attack the messenger, your statements on this thread are totally inappropriate.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2008, 10:04:20 AM »

These statements are ignorant and filled with hate.   They're like a white elephant in the room which everyone keeps praying will leave.

No Doc, it's not Pheonix's fault, don't attack the messenger, your statements on this thread are totally inappropriate.

My statements are valid. Where do you cross the line on Morals? Where do you say enough is enough. And there are groups out there working to get consent laws lowered. And she ony posted here to attack me. We have a hate love relationship.
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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2008, 10:16:35 AM »
Hi Dawn:

Funny, they love it when the majority votes 51%-49% on a pro-Gay issue.

But they sure have a problem if it is the other way around....that vote was CLOSE.


Yes and WAY too close. Homosexuality is an abomination to God and Scripture says people doing such things are ‘worthy of death.’ Romans 1:32. The people in California had better get this right before the whole place goes up in smoke. 

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2008, 10:20:46 AM »
Homosexuality is an abomination to God and Scripture says people doing such things are ‘worthy of death.’

Why don't you man the death squads and take them out?  I see you want to kill people with different lifestyle choices.  How nice of you.

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 10:24:41 AM »
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2008, 10:29:24 AM »
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Life giving wisdom :)   Amen.

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2008, 10:39:49 AM »
Where did i copy and paste here? You just cant see past your blinders can you. Your such a joke that its not even funny talking to you any more. Just where dioes your moral line get crossed hunh? At 12 years, at 13  maybe 14. Your just mad that society is still clinging to some decencey here. If you allow this than where do you stop? Just where do you draw the line on a moral scale? Society has spoken deal with it.

You didn't copy and paste here, which is probably why your statements lack even a modicum of intelligence.

There you go again, with the moronic idea that anyone who thinks adults having consentual homosexual sex is not immoral, must then think that diddling kids is fine, too. Why stop there, why not just claim that I MUST of course think that diddling newborns is good and wholesome? Why stop at 13 or 14, just be honest about your bullshit. Instead of making somewhat radical claims about how all people who aren't against homosexuality are pedophiles, just be straight with it.

The age of consent in most states is 16, I personally think that is too low, particularly in our culture, where the influence passes beyond what the parents teach and includes many tv shows and magazines that portray adult women in a child-like manner physically. Where children THINK they are grown up and mature long before they are. If anything, I would RAISE the age of consent because of the social climate in which we live. Perhaps once 16 year olds were level-headed and mature compared to their modern compatriots. But today's 16 year olds are NOT, on average, nearly mature enough to decide if and when to have sex, since peer pressure is massively FOR it.

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These people have judged themselves. You know whats in store or at least you claim to. HA ha, i bet you cannot wait untill all Christians are gone. then what kind of society will you have then. have fun with it.

The people in the OP, and the people in a few other places may have judged themselves through acting like dickheads. But then again, I guess we should consider all Christians to be like the f-tards who were picketing soldier funerals, shouldn't we. Yes, indeed, that's what we should do, since that's what you are doing. You are judging all homosexuals by these, and by those who were doing obviously illegal things in the streets.

Therefor, now you understand why there is so much "hatred" towards CHRISTIANS instead of just CHRISTIANITY (which is what I dislike and think is evil and subversive- CHRISTIANS are just misled and unwilling to see the truth of how they are misled- just like the rest of the sheep, only different area of life). Because you are being judged the same way you are judging others.

The NWO hates you and wants to destroy you. They want to control everything you do. They think that, no matter the truth of whether you are one or not, that you are a monster, a parasite, who lives only to devour and destroy. You are being judged by the worst of all people, by the worst of all Christians.

Don't like it? Don't do it to others, and maybe you'll get less of it in return.
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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2008, 10:41:05 AM »
Sure will,

Society has rules against child molesters the problem is those laws are not being enforced with the will that they should be. The argument still applies to gays, they claim they are born this way. Child moleesters claim they are born this way NAMBLA (which is still around) claim the are born this way. Again by your guys thinking we should allow there behavior, because they were born this way. People with certain sexual fetishes should keep it in the bedroom not broadcast to society as a whole. You didn't ridicule my logic at all, if 2 gay men can have a relationship than why cant a gay man and a gay 12 year old. Whats wrong as long as they are consenting. Why cant a man marry 4 woman, or have a 12 year old wife? Whats the harm if they are consenting?

The argument comes back to society setting the moral codes for it's self. Or really just where does moral disgust starts and ends. You might approve of 2 gay men but not a man and a teenager, why? If they are consenting to one another than you should have no problem with it.

Again you are directly implying that being gay is the same as being a child molester. That is an opinion (however wrong it is), fine by me. But like you said in regards to sexual fetishes, keep it to yourself. People like to stereotype as much as they can, as it makes it easier for them to make 'sense' of the world. But in this case it just doesn't hold any grounds...

Lets give the following example: Black people. If we lived 100 years ago, being black automatically meant that you are not to be trusted, prone to stealing, raping young white virgins and would kill a white man with every chance they had. Was that a correct view in those days? White people thought it was (heck, too many still think so these days). Yet I hope that these days it has been proven amply that such a view was blatently wrong.

Society setting moral codes for it self is nothing else but who has the loudest voice at that point in time. The church put people to death because they thought that the earth revolved around the sun. Any idea how ridiculous that would sound these days?

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2008, 10:46:01 AM »
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The age of consent in most states is 16, I personally think that is too low, particularly in our culture, where the influence passes beyond what the parents teach and includes many tv shows and magazines that portray adult women in a child-like manner physically. Where children THINK they are grown up and mature long before they are. If anything, I would RAISE the age of consent because of the social climate in which we live. Perhaps once 16 year olds were level-headed and mature compared to their modern compatriots. But today's 16 year olds are NOT, on average, nearly mature enough to decide if and when to have sex, since peer pressure is massively FOR it.

Wow sometimes you can still amaze me. I agree with you.
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2008, 10:47:19 AM »
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


It is actually quite well documented that the bible has been mistranslated and misunderstood throughout the years. Have a look at this site which explains it all in a lot more detail than a simple (mistranslated) quote can:

http://www.jeramyt.org/gay.html

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2008, 10:47:55 AM »
Gay bashing is the oldest sport in the book, but some will make you think the communist invented it.

Here's one example from this thread:

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

Now for the comic relief, cause I'm all hated out...

Juvenal Satire 2

Lines 82-107 (trans. by Braund 2004)

Some day you will dare something more disgusting than this clothing.  No one ever became utterly abominable overnight.  Little by little you'll be welcomed by men who in the privacy of their homes wear long bands on their forehead and have their necks entirely covered with jewelery and who placate the Good Goddess - with the udder of a young sow and with a large bowl of wine.  But by inversion of the normal custom, women do not cross their threshold and are sent packing - the alter of the goddess is open to males alone.  "Get away, you impure women!" is their cry.  "No music girl with her horn pipes here."  Rites like these were celebrated by torchlight in secret by the Baptae, who used to exhaust Cecropian Cotyto.  One of these men has blackened his eyebrows with damp soot and is extending them with a slanting pencil, raising his fluttering eyes as he applies the makeup.  Another is drinking from a phallus glass with his substantial hairdo filling a golden hairnet, dressed in a tartan pattern of different shades of blue or in green satin, and with his slave swearing by his master's Juno.  Another holds a mirror, the accoutrement of the pathic Otho, spoils of Auruncan Actor, in which he used to admire himself when he'd put on his armor, while giving orders to advance in battle.  It's a matter that deserves its mention in the recent annals and modern history, that a mirror was part of the kit for civil warfare.  It's the mark of a supreme general, I suppose, to slaughter Galba while pampering his skin, to aspire to the Palatine throne while plastering his face with a mask of dough...

Lines 126-138

O father of Rome, where has it come from, this appalling outrage that afflicts the shepherds of Latium?  Where has it come from, this itch that taints your descendants, Gradivus?  Look: a man illustrious in family and fortune is handed over in marriage to anther man - and you're not shaking your helmet, or striking the ground with your spear, or complaining to your father?  Off with you, then -withdraw from the acres of the stern Campus which you don't care about.  "Tomorrow at sunrise I have a ceremony to attend in the valley of Quirinus."  "What's the occasion?" "Oh, just a friend of mine marrying a man, and he's invited a few guests."  If we are allowed to live just a little longer, those marriages will take place, they'll take place openly, they'll even want to be reported in the news...


Now if you take Juvenal too seriously, epic fail on your part, it is satire after all.

My point here, in case ppl. miss it, is that men have been doing men since the beginning of time, get over it...

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2008, 10:48:32 AM »


Society setting moral codes for it self is nothing else but who has the loudest voice at that point in time.  

LOL.  You've got to be kidding.

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2008, 10:50:34 AM »
LOL.  You've got to be kidding.

Nope, have a look at my examples of black people and the earth sun revolving thingies... I think you are confusing morality with law though.

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2008, 10:51:35 AM »
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Society setting moral codes for it self is nothing else but who has the loudest voice at that point in time. The church put people to death because they thought that the earth revolved around the sun. Any idea how ridiculous that would sound these days?

Society needs to set rules, if they didnt than you would live in total anarchey and the strogest person would rule. The American society has set a moral standard on this issue. That being we dont want it.

Now about the Catholic Church. Maybe if they read there Bibles they would have known the truth.
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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2008, 10:52:37 AM »
Nope, have a look at my examples of black people and the earth sun revolving thingies... I think you are confusing morality with law though.

Morals must guide the law. If not than your examples apply.
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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2008, 10:53:30 AM »
They should riot at a Mosque.  ;D

helllllllllllla nah lol.

it is sad how savage they are over the right to be human capital; traded by psychos on wall street. they totally miss that point all together so the argument is not the straw man, its the tin man.

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Re: Christians on the defense in California
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2008, 10:54:50 AM »
Nope, have a look at my examples of black people and the earth sun revolving thingies... I think you are confusing morality with law though.

If it weren't for the Olde Booke rule of law wouldn't have been established to begin with.  Read it.