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We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« on: November 15, 2008, 09:29:13 am »
This isn't the first time we've had both (a) a Democratically-controlled U.S. House and Senate and (b) a smooth-talking Democratic President-elect with a reputation for uttering feel-good slogans about "hope" and "change" to a Bush-weary public.

That's exactly the situation we were in 16 years ago today. (Back when some of you were still in diapers -- hee hee ;D)

Consider the following quote (emphasis mine):

"The most important distinction in this campaign is that I represent real hope for change....I must challenge the American people to change....It's time to change. I want to bring that change to the American people. But we must all decide first we have the courage to change for hope and a better tomorrow."

Those aren't Obama's words. That is what Bill Clinton said on October 11, 1992, during the first Presidential debate. And those two uses of the word "hope" and five uses of the word "change" aren't patched together from various parts of the debate, but are all from the same one minute response Clinton gave at the start of the debate.

You can watch the opening minutes, including the above response, at:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-W4GWjN2kg

Now, since the TV "news" media were generally pro-Clinton throughout the 90s, few people have so much as a basic knowledge of Clinton's actual track record.

So if you'd like to authoritatively explain to any of your Obama supporting friends why the "change" they're about to get isn't even close to what they've been bullshitted into believing it is, read the book, Feeling Your Pain, by James Bovard.

Below is the introduction to that book:

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INTRODUCTION


The victory of William Jefferson Clinton in the 1992 presidential election was supposed to launch a new era in American politics. The Clinton-Gore team promised a “New Covenant” between government and the people that would propel government beyond its past failings. Clinton sought to make government strong enough to hoist and harangue the citizenry to higher ground, once and for all. And there was little to fear from expanding government power because, as Clinton promised, his would be “the most ethical administration in history.”

Yet, after nearly eight years of his rule, America is bedeviled by independent counsels crowding Washington streets, cynicism as far as the eye can see, and more hostility to government agencies across the board, from the Census Bureau to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The attempt to forcibly lift people left government in the gutter--at least in the minds of tens of millions of Americans.

From concocting new prerogatives to confiscate private property, to championing FBI agents’ right to shoot innocent Americans, to bankrolling the militarization of local police forces, the Clinton administration stretched the power of government on all fronts. From the soaring number of wiretaps, to converting cell phones into homing devices for law enforcement, to turning bankers into spies against their customers, free speech and privacy were undermined again and again. From dictating how many pairs of Chinese silk panties Americans could buy, to President Clinton’s heroic efforts to require trigger locks for all handguns in crack houses, no aspect of Americans’ lives was too arcane for federal intervention.

The Clinton administration built its “bridge to the twenty-first century” by filling every sinkhole along the way with taxpayer dollars. From AmeriCorps projects that beat the bushes to recruit new food stamp recipients, to a flood insurance program that multiplied flood damage, to programs to give the keys to lavish new single-family homes to public housing residents, the Clinton administration’s record domestic spending produced record fiascoes. For Clinton, the only wasted tax dollar was one that did not buy a vote, garner a campaign contribution, or provide a chance to bite his lip on national television.

In the same way that the success of NATO’s attack on Serbia was measured largely by continual proclamations of “record numbers” of sorties flown and “record numbers” of bombs dropped, so the Clinton administration gauged its domestic policy successes by the number of new laws passed, new programs enacted, and new activities prohibited--by record fines levied and record prison sentences imposed. Federal agencies issued more than 25,000 new regulations--criminalizing everything from reliable toilets to snuff advertisements on race cars.

While the media focused primarily on the new benefits that Clinton promised, little attention was paid to the swelling tax burden on working Americans. Federal income tax revenue doubled between 1992 and 2000. The total tax burden on the average family with two earners rose three times faster than inflation. Though the IRS wrongfully seized hundreds of thousands of Americans’ paychecks and bank accounts during Clinton’s reign, almost all of the agency’s power survived unscathed.

Faith in the coercive power of the best and brightest permeated Clinton administration policymaking. More commands, more penalties, and more handouts were the recipe for progress. The Clinton administration consistently acted as if nothing is as dangerous as insufficient government power.

The history of the Clinton administration cannot be understood apart from the president’s personal view of government. Clinton portrayed government as the Lone Ranger--or, more accurately, millions of Lone Rangers, each with a sacred mission to rescue people whether they want to be rescued or not. For Clinton, government was never merely a bunch of clerks in some drab office vegetating toward a pension. Instead, government was “a champion of national purpose,” “the instrument of our national community,” and “a progressive instrument of the common good.” Clinton urged Americans in 1998 to commit themselves “to a new kind of government...to give all our people the tools to make the most of their own lives.” Clinton’s invocation of “government as tool-meister” ignored the abysmal record of federal job training, literacy, and other programs purportedly created to help people help themselves.

Many of Clinton’s policies can be explained only by his belief in his own moral superiority. For Clinton, the officially proclaimed intent of a specific government policy or action far transcended whatever force government agents use against citizens. And any protests about excessive force were met by appeals to “the rule of law”--regardless of whether the law was on the side of federal agents. The more people government brings to its knees, the fairer society becomes--simply because government power is the personification of fairness.

And the loftier the goal Clinton proclaimed, the more irrelevant private collateral damage became. One visionary foreign policy speech was more important than a thousand cluster bombs dropped on foreign civilians. Vigorous denunciations of international terrorism were more important than the cruise missiles that destroyed Sudan’s only pharmaceutical factory. Continual invocations of “the children” at every political whistle-stop mattered more than the deaths of dozens of children after an FBI gas attack at Waco.

The Clinton recipe for public safety was: if politicians frighten enough of the people enough of the time, then everyone will be safe. Because Clinton felt government must constantly intervene in people’s lives, people had to be convinced that they are doomed unless politicians save them on a daily basis. The result: constant efforts to alarm the citizenry on everything from health care to speed limits, to secondhand smoke, to global warming, to garbage dumps, to radon, to guns.

Clinton owes much of his popularity to his “stealth statism.” Clinton was the master of intellectual shell games. In his 1996 State of the Union address, he announced “the era of Big Government is over.” Yet, once he had won reelection by campaigning as a moderate (or, in the words of presidential adviser Dick Morris, “campaigning as Pope”), he opened the floodgates. In his 1997 State of the Union address, Clinton called for a “national crusade for education standards” and federal standards and national credentials for all new teachers; announced plans “to build a citizen army of one million volunteer tutors to make sure every child can read independently by the end of the third grade”; called for $5 billion in federal aid to build and repair local schools, a new scholarship program to subsidize anyone going to college, a $10,000 tax deduction for all tuition payments after high school, and federal subsidies for private health insurance; demanded a new law entitling women who have had mastectomies to stay in the hospital 48 hours afterwards; advocated a constitutional amendment for “victims’ rights”; urged Congress to enact a law criminalizing any parent who crossed a state line allegedly to avoid paying child support; and proposed enacting juvenile crime legislation that “declares war on gangs,” hiring new prosecutors, and increasing federal spending on the war on drugs. Clinton also announced plans to expand NATO and declare “10 American Heritage Rivers” (thereby effectively prohibiting thousands of landowners from using their property along those rivers). Clinton, deeply concerned about American ethics, also demanded that “character education must be taught in our schools.” (This demand was not repeated in later State of the Union addresses.)

In his 1999 State of the Union address, Clinton proposed more than 40 new laws and programs. Citizens applauded proposals for more government regardless of how poorly existing government programs functioned and despite the fact that most Americans personally distrusted Clinton at the time he sought more power over them. In his 2000 State of the Union address, Clinton talked for almost an hour and a half and, according to one estimate, proposed the equivalent of $4 billion of new federal spending per minute.

This book focuses primarily on the Clinton administration’s domestic policies and programs. A chapter on the war against Serbia is included because that adventure vividly illustrates the Clinton administration’s moralism and arrogance. The Clinton presidency must not be judged solely on whether the Senate convicted him on impeachment charges, or whether he and his wife were shown to have obstructed justice during the Whitewater investigation, or whether a federal judge fined him for perjury, or whether a clear link is discovered between Chinese military front companies and Clinton’s 1996 reelection campaign. The danger of focusing narrowly on the best-known scandals is that people may forget or fail to realize how much misgovernment occurred during the 1990s.

Far more Americans have been affected by IRS depredations, HUD-ruined neighborhoods, and FDA-denied drugs than by Clinton’s personal misbehavior. Many of the worst abuses of the Clinton administration never appeared on the media’s radar screen. Instead, they were buried in Inspector General reports, General Accounting Office studies, or the proceedings of court cases followed by few.

The Clinton administration changed the political fabric of this nation and the political expectations of the American people and the American media. Clinton’s policies and rhetoric helped infantilize the American populace. The entire political system was subtely transformed year by year, crisis by crisis, hoax by hoax.

Clinton’s administration was far from unique in its contempt for constitutional or taxpayer rights. Most of the pernicious trends in federal policy started long before Clinton’s arrival in Washington. President Franklin Roosevelt was as voracious for power as was Clinton. Lyndon Johnson was more successful in passing sweeping laws to swell the federal government. The Bush administration was as feckless in its resolution to terminate failed government programs--and even President Ronald Reagan was far more tolerant of wasteful government spending than many of his fans recall.

The fact that the Clinton administration championed so many flawed programs and policies does not mean that good government would have resulted if the Republican Party held the White House. The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress for six of the eight years of Clinton’s administration. Most Congressmen of both parties showed little understanding of, or curiosity about, how federal programs were functioning.

This is not an attempt to pass final judgment on the Clinton administration. Such an effort must await the unraveling of numerous cover-ups and the surfacing of further flaws in new programs and policies. Instead, it is an effort to present many details and key issues that must be part of a broad assessment of the impact of the Clinton administration on America.

Once a president leaves office, his record usually quickly blurs. All that is recalled are a few high points, a few catch phrases, and a few indictments. The rest is swept under the rug of failing memories and the spin-doctoring of supporters and detractors. Americans cannot understand the nation’s political course without recognizing the follies and fiascoes of the recent past, the constant expansion of government programs and power, and the resulting momentum for ever more coercion.

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As the old saying goes: "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 09:49:54 am »
Thanks for a great post GEO, and for reminding us about the Man From Hope and his Bridge To the 21st Century.

It is now obvious that the Bush/Clinton/Bush years was DEFINITELY a bridge from bad-to-worse, a descent into Hell, a nightmare of millennium fever.

Now we have been given the Black Messiah - problem-reaction-solution - to step in, six guns a'blazin', to make-the-tuff-decisions, to create the one-world-government, to bring mankind together in joyful RAPTURE, to save-the-planet.

Uh oh ... gotta stop ... this is making my ulcer act up!
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 10:48:11 am »
You know, I have been thinking about this lately.

Maybe, on a larger picture/ cosmic scale, we are getting another chance at the holocaust-- an opportunity to do it right this time. A chance to lay down our complacency and pick up our balls (so to speak- as I have no literal balls).

This may well be a second chance for our race (humanity) to get it right.

Let's do exactly that!
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2008, 12:18:59 pm »
Thanks for a great post GEO, and for reminding us about the Man From Hope and his Bridge To the 21st Century.

You're quite welcome.

It is now obvious that the Bush/Clinton/Bush years was DEFINITELY a bridge from bad-to-worse, a descent into Hell, a nightmare of millennium fever.

Now we have been given the Black Messiah - problem-reaction-solution - to step in, six guns a'blazin', to make-the-tuff-decisions, to create the one-world-government, to bring mankind together in joyful RAPTURE, to save-the-planet.

Yup, all under the public relations cover of "hope and change."

Maybe, on a larger picture/ cosmic scale, we are getting another chance at the holocaust-- an opportunity to do it right this time. A chance to lay down our complacency and pick up our balls....

This may well be a second chance for our race (humanity) to get it right.

Let's do exactly that!

I'm all for trying, of course, but as long as the vast majority of Americans insist on letting the corporate TV "news" media do all of their thinking for them, the odds will remain very much against us.
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2008, 12:58:28 pm »
Great post!

It appears we still won't get rid of the Clinton's on this ride either.  >:(

She'll be in this Administration and he will be heading for U.N. ambassador.  ::)

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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2008, 02:04:54 pm »
Great post!

Well of course. You were expecting anything less from yours truly?  :P ;) 8)

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It appears we still won't get rid of the Clinton's on this ride either.  >:(

More accurately, it's the Bush-Clinton string-pullers we won't be getting rid of.

And what is particularly frustrating about that is that the power is always in the hands of the masses to turn things around, if they would only stop letting the corporate TV "news" do all of their thinking for them and start exerting non-stop pressure on Congress to listen to them for a change instead of Wall St.

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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 03:22:45 pm »
Since Obama trolls apparently like to browse this forum, I should probably mention that James Bovard is very much a non-partisan, equal opportunity critic of the political establishment:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/bovard2.html



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5143.htm
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2008, 07:32:49 pm »


Well of course. You were expecting anything less from yours truly?  :P ;) 8)

More accurately, it's the Bush-Clinton string-pullers we won't be getting rid of.

And what is particularly frustrating about that is that the power is always in the hands of the masses to turn things around, if they would only stop letting the corporate TV "news" do all of their thinking for them and start exerting non-stop pressure on Congress to listen to them for a change instead of Wall St.



Yeah you're right--very frustrating.
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 11:54:56 am »
Below is the latest proof that, the more things "change," the more they stay the same.

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Leaked Memos Reveal Holder’s Involvement In OKC Murder Cover-Up

Obama’s Attorney General nominee had role in keeping lid on Trentadue death, link to Oklahoma City Bombing

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, December 4, 2008

Leaked DOJ memos shed new light on the role of Barack Obama’s Attorney General nominee Eric Holder in the cover-up of the death of Kenneth Michael Trentadue, who was tortured to death by FBI agents after they confused him with one of Timothy McVeigh’s accomplices in the Oklahoma City bombing.

[Continued...]


Obama Doesn't Plan to End Occupation of Iraq

By JEREMY SCAHILL
CounterPunch
Friday, December 5, 2008

The New York Times is reporting about an "apparent evolution" in president-elect Barack Obama's thinking on Iraq, citing his recent statements about his plan to keep a "residual force" in the country and his pledge to "listen to the recommendations of my commanders" as Obama prepares to assume actual command of US forces. "At the Pentagon and the military headquarters in Iraq, the response to the statements this week from Mr. Obama and his national security team has been akin to the senior officer corps' letting out its collective breath," the Times reported. "[T]the words sounded to them like the new president would take a measured approach on the question of troop levels."

The reality is there is no "evolution."

Anyone who took the time to cut past Barack Obama's campaign rhetoric of "change" and bringing an "end" to the Iraq war realized early on that the now-president-elect had a plan that boiled down to a down-sizing and rebranding of the occupation. While he emphasized his pledge to withdraw U.S. "combat forces" from Iraq in 16 months (which may or may not happen), he has always said that he intends to keep "residual forces" in place for the foreseeable future.

It's an interesting choice of terms. "Residual" is defined as "the quantity left over at the end of a process." This means that the forces Obama plans to leave in Iraq will remain after he has completed his "withdrawal" plan. No matter how Obama chooses to label the forces he keeps in Iraq, the fact is, they will be occupation forces.

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Obama’s National Security Team: Minions of the New World Order

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
December 1, 2008

President elect Barack Obama made choices today for “a broad and diverse team” in Chicago, reports the Associated Press. Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, former Gen. James Jones, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, and Susan Rice “round” out this “change” team which is, of course, not change but a seamless transition between the Bush neocons and Obama’s decidedly neoliberal choices.

Consider the following uncomfortable facts that the corporate media will never tell you in a month of Sundays:

[Continued...]


Obama's Economic Foxes To Guard Financial Henhouse
Newly announced team consists of the very people who created the crisis
   
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, Nov 24, 2008
 
Today President elect Obama officially introduces his economic team to the world. What many may fail to recognize, however, is the fact that those tasked with rescuing the economy are the very people who helped create the financial crisis in the first instance.

[Continued...]

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If you know any Obama cultists, try sharing the above information with them and see what response you get.
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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2008, 11:58:12 am »
Two more commentaries on Obama's bait-and-switch on the Iraq war:

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A Loud Silence
That's the response from the "antiwar" wing of the Democratic party to Obama's Iraq sellout

by Justin Raimondo
Antiwar.com
December 5, 2008


Is it really possible that President-elect Barack Obama intends to break his campaign promise to "end the war" in Iraq, and keep US troops in that country well beyond the sixteen month timetable for withdrawal he advocated during the campaign?

The answer, according to the New York Times, is a fairly certain yes:

    "On the campaign trail, Senator Barack Obama offered a pledge that electrified and motivated his liberal base, vowing to "end the war" in Iraq.

    "But as he moves closer to the White House, President-elect Obama is making clearer than ever that tens of thousands of American troops will be left behind in Iraq, even if he can make good on his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months.

    "'I said that I would remove our combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, with the understanding that it might be necessary — likely to be necessary — to maintain a residual force to provide potential training, logistical support, to protect our civilians in Iraq,' Mr. Obama said this week as he introduced his national security team."

Tens of thousands – a prime target for terrorists, a "residual force" that, in any other context, would be seen as an army of occupation, and a reminder to the Iraqis that they still aren't free of us, nor we of them. That "residual" force, we are told, could number as high as 70,000 troops "for a substantial time even beyond 2011." At a cost of billions, to be sure.

This is not "ending" the war.

[Continued...]


Analysis: Obama defense agenda resembles Gates'
Analysis: Campaign differences aside, Obama's defense agenda similar to Bush's Pentagon chief

ROBERT BURNS
AP News
Dec 06, 2008 09:53 EST


For a Democrat whose opposition to the Iraq war was a campaign centerpiece, President-elect Barack Obama is remarkably in sync with Defense Secretary Robert Gates on many core defense and national security issues — even Iraq.

The list of similarities suggests the early focus of Obama's Pentagon may not change dramatically from President George W. Bush's.

Given that Obama made the unprecedented decision to keep the incumbent Republican defense secretary, it would seem natural to expect that they see eye to eye on at least some major defense issues. But the extent of their shared priorities is surprising, given Obama's campaign criticisms of Bush's defense policies.

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Will Obama cultists finally admit they've been punked, or will they go on drinking the Kool-Aid?

"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2008, 12:00:08 pm »

Will Obama cultists finally admit they've been punked, or will they go on drinking the Kool-Aid?



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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 01:43:40 pm »
Hi Geo.

Good job on that one, and the replies were also good++++. Hats of to ya.

They have been paving the road for the NWO 50 years, ?close?

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Re: We learn from history that we do not learn from history
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 01:52:46 pm »
Fascinating post, well done. Bovard's book surely one for the Christmas stocking wish-list