Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism

[catholicportugalian]

actually no I am not the only one who doesn't believe that.  If you looked around you would see that I have some friends.

[TheCaliKid]

"some friends" being the key phrase...

[Amd304912]

"some friends" being the key phrase...

i see that there are some that are friends that believe that masons are just normal people....

you know, innocent unaware people...

[TheCaliKid]

Here is something interesting I found today.

Yet another example of what I am now calling the "pentagon with ears symbol" for lack of a better name. (see my previous posts in this thread for more on this symbol)



Royal Arch Degree imagery:

[catholicportugalian]

still reading way too much into this.  For one it's just the Knights of Columbus. They are not this great powerful organization.  They are a fundraising organization which began to help widows during the Civil War who had nothing when their husbands died.  it is not this all powerful group that we need to fear.  I just don't get why you are spending so much time trying to compare pictures of this group when there is nothing to fear from them.

[shirteesdotnet]

Ha! What a bunch of horny bastards!

[Biggs]

still reading way too much into this.  For one it's just the Knights of Columbus. They are not this great powerful organization.  They are a fundraising organization which began to help widows during the Civil War who had nothing when their husbands died.  it is not this all powerful group that we need to fear.  I just don't get why you are spending so much time trying to compare pictures of this group when there is nothing to fear from them.

you mean like

"is there nobody to help a poor widow's son"

the more aware will get my little joke

[Amd304912]

yep biggs. god kill the queen.

[catholicportugalian]

Ha! What a bunch of horny bastards!

I still don't know what those pictures are supposed to be of since Dawnismygoodess refuses to answer.

[shirteesdotnet]

I still don't know what those pictures are supposed to be of since Dawnismygoodess refuses to answer.

I think those pictures were of some spanish catholics. On page 3 of this thread people were talking about it. You also didnt have much to say about the problems Catholics have caused throughout the past 2000 years. I agree with you that we have an anti-pope, I just think it all started way before Vatican II. Im not here to attack you Portugalian. You do offer a lot of ideas and thoughts for research. But with the writing on the wall, with all these images people are finding... its right in front of you ther Catholic church was hijacked a long time ago, but youre stuck almost in this myopic viewpoint of vatican 2 this, vatican 2 that. It feels to me (at least this thread anyways) that people are trying to get you to crack out of your "vatican 2" shell and see things for what they really are.

[catholicportugalian]

I think those pictures were of some spanish catholics. On page 3 of this thread people were talking about it. You also didnt have much to say about the problems Catholics have caused throughout the past 2000 years. I agree with you that we have an anti-pope, I just think it all started way before Vatican II. Im not here to attack you Portugalian. You do offer a lot of ideas and thoughts for research. But with the writing on the wall, with all these images people are finding... its right in front of you ther Catholic church was hijacked a long time ago, but youre stuck almost in this myopic viewpoint of vatican 2 this, vatican 2 that. It feels to me (at least this thread anyways) that people are trying to get you to crack out of your "vatican 2" shell and see things for what they really are.

show me Catholics dressed like that before 1958.

and if you want to talk about the past 2000 years, I have talked about it and given sources but no one wants to credit my sources because I am a Catholic and my sources are not anti Catholic.  History is written by men who can often exaggerate and lie.

[TheCaliKid]

still reading way too much into this.

You may very well be correct.

However, I have a flair for investigatory work - I look for patterns and similarities.

I am just posting this symbolism for everyone to see, to get them thinking, and let them come up with their own conclusions. If anything, I think the material I have posted is intriguing and fascinating.

Hopefully, my work will inspire some to begin the undertaking of their own journey into asking the why/what/where/when/who?


 

[Atomgrad]

Dawn, do you know whether all Masons hve this ring (the Mason symbol in black onyx, next to the little finger)?

[TheCaliKid]

No, they do not.

Many "old school Masons" are ashamed of those Brothers who flaunt their membership. (e.g., bumper stickers, rings, etc.) They feel it should be an entirety private affair.

At least this is what the Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of England told me via message board posting...

 

[Atomgrad]

No, they do not.

Many "old school Masons" are ashamed of those Brothers who flaunt their membership. (e.g., bumper stickers, rings, etc.) They feel it should be an entirety private affair.

At least this is what the Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of England told me via message board posting...

 

But it`safe to assume anyone wearing one of those rings is a mason?

[Brocke]

Pope Benedict XVI, welcomes Grand Master of the Order of Knights of Malta Prince Fra Andrew Bertie for their private audience at the pontiff's private library in the Vatican, Friday, June 22, 2007.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/00ma8iH5lG25D

[TheCaliKid]

But it`safe to assume anyone wearing one of those rings is a mason?

I would think so. They don't take too kindly to those who are pretending.

[Atomgrad]

Aye, so I`ve heard. Isn`t one of the Jack the Ripper murders apparently a Masonic punishment killing?

[shirteesdotnet]

On a side note, my dad just went to the Holy Land for a two week tour of all the places related to Jesus (a catholic tour). Hes got a lot of digital pics so when I get some time, I want  to sift through them all and look for any masonic or sun-god like symbols. My sister went too.. she actually took a lot more pics... Like 4,000 so Im sure I'll find something. If I do I will post here. They said many of the holy places in Jerusalem and other holy places are run by orthodox christians.

[Amd304912]

DawnIsMyGoddess you still haven't awnsered my attestation; I will rephrase it.

Haven't the masons predated the K-C? If they had been then can you give some good statements of the connections from the beginning of the merger please? i would like a little text dialogue (from you not the paradigm) to fully represent and support the imagery purported.

[TheCaliKid]

DawnIsMyGoddess you still haven't awnsered my attestation; I will rephrase it.

Haven't the masons predated the K-C? If they had been then can you give some good statements of the connections from the beginning of the merger please? i would like a little text dialogue (from you not the paradigm) to fully represent and support the imagery purported.

Oh, sorry I somehow missed your post/question.

Yes, the Masons pre-date the KoC by hundreds of years.

The way I see the KoC is kind of like the proverbial "birds of a feather flock together" - in other words if you are a Catholic Mason you are going to want to join a fraternal organization of like-mined men. (esp. since the Lodge supposedly forbids the talk of politics and religion by its members while at Lodge meetings, etc)

I do not know of any connections before the creation of the KoC, if that is what you are asking. I just feel that the KoC is Masonically dominated like all the other groups/clubs, such as the Lions Club or Rotary Club, etc.

This does not mean that they are "bad" or "evil" in any way. But it does mean that all these different groups are never operating outside the system.   

 

[catholicportugalian]

there is no such thing as a Catholic Mason.  A Catholic is forbidden to be one.  If he should become one he is ipso facto excommunicated.

[Biggs]

there is no such thing as a Catholic Mason.  A Catholic is forbidden to be one.  If he should become one he is ipso facto excommunicated.

Catholics are also forbidden to have premarital sex or use contraception, don't know if you know any Catholics but the ones I know have all been at it like rabbits since they were 15/16

there is Catholic law and then reality in the eyes of most Catholics, the two are not the same thing

[TheCaliKid]

there is no such thing as a Catholic Mason.  A Catholic is forbidden to be one.  If he should become one he is ipso facto excommunicated.

portugalian - it is like talking in circles with you.


I have been in contact with a high-ranking Catholic Freemason, so I asked him about your claim. Here is his reply:



"There are Catholic Freemasons. I am one.

However we are banned by the Holy Church from receiving the Holy Sacraments. The Vatican regards the Moderns form of freemasonry to be a "naturalistic religion" and a mortal sin.

Excommunication is definitely NOT a factor, it is an exaggeration and a mistaken assertion. We are simply in a state of mortal sin.

The Vatican too does not realise that Christian Freemasonry, pre-1717 still exists."

[voodo0]

there is no such thing as a Catholic Mason.  A Catholic is forbidden to be one.  If he should become one he is ipso facto excommunicated.

[Amd304912]

Oh, sorry I somehow missed your post/question.

Yes, the Masons pre-date the KoC by hundreds of years.

The way I see the KoC is kind of like the proverbial "birds of a feather flock together" - in other words if you are a Catholic Mason you are going to want to join a fraternal organization of like-mined men. (esp. since the Lodge supposedly forbids the talk of politics and religion by its members while at Lodge meetings, etc)

I do not know of any connections before the creation of the KoC, if that is what you are asking. I just feel that the KoC is Masonically dominated like all the other groups/clubs, such as the Lions Club or Rotary Club, etc.

This does not mean that they are "bad" or "evil" in any way. But it does mean that all these different groups are never operating outside the system.   

 

Thank you,

Many people inside the organization have grown to begin criticising the decrees from the vatican more openly since 1992 when that pope endorsed the "charismatic renewal" due to the point it made the communites accept fundamentalism's which goes against laws in the bible. The statements issued from the vatican since the latin mass was replaced called for things like evangelizing and speaking in toungs. That means it began the process of forcing catholics protestants and all christians under the same rules, which by all means we can see no one wants to accept. I dont try to blame the second commission for everything but it did begin the destruction of the faiths based off christianity from the bottom up by pitting every denomination against each other, meanwhile as we see undermining sovereign countries with those denominations to establish a national religion like we see in england. I have talked to many 4th degree's since they live in town or own small businesses to query some criticisms and find a common level, that they have been forced to accept jews protestants muslims and other factions like the rotary, masons, shriners and others and growing dispair they share over the radical changes.

other then all of that, there are tons of symbolisms in the faith. every christian faith has been structured under the same dualistic manner while concurrently under the jesus is head. the main reason for all of the symbolics is to represent that every christian under any denomination is under one authority of jesus. Christians that are catholics or not are all being used to further the dualistic methods, they enforce that faith; ill call this "Yashu" is the only way representing the light or white side, while community organizations of every denom' enforce that fellowships and societies catholic or not are under the same authority; ill call that "Jesus 2" is the dark or the black.

It has been a point for the papacy to use this dualistic method in a way that makes catholics reject the vatican due to cardinals destroying biblical law in turn making them all "heretics" therefore we can see that the papacy evidently vacated and excommunicated it self over the past few decades of these changes. at the same time it created a second movement of non catholics to attack catholics due to the rejections established before research.

[JayDyer]

Catholicportugalian, I wouldn't waste your time.  Those outside cannot see. This is an example of irresponsible symbology.  So, whenever I see a dove, does that mean the OTO and KOC are involved?  Its childish.

[Atomgrad]

there is no such thing as a Catholic Mason.  A Catholic is forbidden to be one.  If he should become one he is ipso facto excommunicated.

Unfortunatley CP, you are wrong.


http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2917448

The thread is Entitled "Ask Me About Freemasonry". The guy answering questions is an admitted 3rd degree Mason, here`s part of one of his answers, taken from the first page.

Lodges consist of brothers from all religous aspects - Jew, Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, everyone is welcome.

[Puff1]

Roman catholicism has been a Babylonian mystery religion from the time of it's inception.

[JayDyer]

You must have spent some time in such great scholarly works as Alexander Hislop. Lol.

[Puff1]

You must have spent some time in such great scholarly works as Alexander Hislop. Lol.

Actually I've read the book, however I've also read the Bible - so it's quite obvious.

[Jackson Holly]

^ Puff1:

Do you think Hislop (Two Babylons) is not good info?

Do you think Christianity just popped up like a mushroom with no connections to the spiritual world around it?

[Puff1]

^ Puff1:

Do you think Hislop (Two Babylons) is not good info?

Do you think Christianity just popped up like a mushroom with no connections to the spiritual world around it?

You must have me confused with someone else. 

Go back and re-read the posts again.

(Also, the early Christians did not integrate the pagan practices of today into their worship.  There are Christians, and then there are Christians in name only.  Personally, I would recommend Hislop's book, and I've posted a link to it here on a couple of occasions.)

[Jackson Holly]

Puff1, I'm sorry  ... I was obviously speaking to JAN. My bad.

But, you don't see the ties/similarities in the Jesus / Mithras cults, for instance.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=73880.msg404840#msg404840

[Puff1]

Puff1, I'm sorry  ... I was obviously speaking to JAN. My bad.

But, you don't see the ties/similarities in the Jesus / Mithras cults, for instance.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=73880.msg404840#msg404840

I do see it (Mithras, Nimrod, Ra and various other pagan "son" Gods who were Christ counterfeits.)  We've talked about all of this here before.  Much of this was brought in to paganize Christianity when it was declared the "state" religion of Rome - leaving the Biblical Christians who carried on the teachings of early Christianity out in the cold (and persecuted.)  The paganism of Mithras in particular is found all over the pagan holiday "Christ-mass" as you probably know, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the Yeshua (Jesus Christ) of the Bible.

[catholicportugalian]

Unfortunatley CP, you are wrong.


http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2917448

The thread is Entitled "Ask Me About Freemasonry". The guy answering questions is an admitted 3rd degree Mason, here`s part of one of his answers, taken from the first page.

they are not Catholic even if they claim to be.  It is automatic excommunication for a Catholic to be a mason.  So they can call themselves Catholic all they want.  They are ipso facto excommunicated.

[Puff1]

they are not Catholic even if they claim to be.  It is automatic excommunication for a Catholic to be a mason.  So they can call themselves Catholic all they want.  They are ipso facto excommunicated.

Hey CP, did you read the postings on the Maitreya thread?  Didn't you say that the traditional catholics believe that the real "pope" is in hiding?  According to Share International, Jesus Himself has reincarnated and is in Rome, about to assume the "throne of St. Peter."  Is this the new pope that you've been waiting for?

[catholicportugalian]

no.  Jesus Christ will not be reincarnated.    Anyone claiming to be is an anti christ.  As far as the real pope goes.  Somewhere in the world right now is the man who would be pope if the church was the way it should be.  He may not even know it.  And the Catholic prophecies say that it will get so bad that Sts. Peter and Paul will come down from Heaven themselves and appoint the true pope.   In the past when there were three men claiming to be pope, only one of them was the real pope whether he knew it or not.  That is the way it goes.

[Puff1]

no.  Jesus Christ will not be reincarnated.    Anyone claiming to be is an anti christ.  

I'm glad that you understand that. 

And the Catholic prophecies say that it will get so bad that Sts. Peter and Paul will come down from Heaven themselves and appoint the true pope.   In the past when there were three men claiming to be pope, only one of them was the real pope whether he knew it or not.  That is the way it goes.

Better be looking for the return of the real Jesus Christ rather than a pope.   

And just as a side note, I was very reluctant to go to Share International's website in the first place. 

[catholicportugalian]

I'm glad that you understand that. 

Better be looking for the return of the real Jesus Christ rather than a pope.   

And just as a side note, I was very reluctant to go to Share International's website in the first place. 

Of course Christ won't be reincarnated.  He is God.  He doesn't need to be born again to die again.  That happened once and only once.  This time the world must answer its own offenses against God.  It isn't going to be a bed of roses.  We are going to see real evil roaming and ruling the world soon and only those cloaked with the armor of the Holy Ghost will be able to fight against that evil.

The real Jesus Christ will restore the church.  That is what I am looking for.

I hope you don't take my tone of writing to mean that I am speaking angrily toward you.  Only toward the crazies who believe Christ will be born again into the world.  He had one Mother, not two.  Nowhere in scripture or prophecy does it say He will come back again in the conventional way.