Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism

[Conspiracy Center]

The Obelisk


The obelisk has been a part of pagan worship since the days of antiquity. Diodorus even spoke of an obelisk 130 feet high constructed by Queen Semiramis in Babylon. Originally, the obelisk was associated with sun worship. However it was also believed that the obelisk represented the male generative principal. Realizing that through sexual union life was produced, the phallus was considered, along with the sun, a symbol of life.

“Death is the inseparable antecedent of life; the seed dies in order to produce the plant, and earth itself is rent asunder and dies at the birth of Dionusos. Hence the significancy of the phallus, or of its inoffensive substitute, the obelisk, rising as an emblem of resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity at Lerna or at Sais.”

-Albert Pike, 33° Freemason, Morals and Dogma, p. 393

The word matstsebah in Hebrew means standing images or obelisk and it can be found in many places of the Bible. Here is Strong's definition of the Hebrew word matstsebah-

matstsebah (mats-tsay-baw')
something stationed, i.e. A column or (memorial stone); by analogy, an idol -- garrison, (standing) image, pillar.
-Strong's Hebrew Dictionary

In the following verses matstsebah has been translated as image(s)-

Exodus 23:24
Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Exodus 34:13
But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 7:5
But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

Deuteronomy 12:3
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

I Kings 14:23
For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree.

II Kings 3:2
And he wrought evil in the sight of the LORD; but not like his father, and like his mother: for he put away the image of Baal that his father had made.

II Kings 10:26
And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them.

II Kings 10:27
And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day.

II Chronicles 14:3
For he took away the altars of the strange gods, and the high places, and brake down the images, and cut down the groves:

II Chronicles 31:1
Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.

Micah 5:13
Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.






Another Hebrew word is also used for "sun images" or obelisks, the word chamman. Again, here is Strong's definition-

chamman (kham-mawn')
a sun-pillar -- idol, image.
-Strong's Hebrew Dictionary

In the following verses chamman has been translated as image(s)-

Isaiah 17:8
And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands, neither shall respect that which his fingers have made, either the groves, or the images.

Isaiah 27:9
By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

II Chronicles 34:4
And they brake down the altars of Baalim in his presence; and the images, that were on high above them, he cut down; and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images, he brake in pieces, and made dust of them, and strowed it upon the graves of them that had sacrificed unto them.

“The point within a Circle is another symbol of great importance in Freemasonry, and commands peculiar attention in this connection with the ancient symbolism of the universe and the solar orb.”

“...to understand this symbol, I must refer, as a preliminary matter, to the worship of the Phallus, a peculiar modification of sun-worship, which prevailed to a great extent among the nations of antiquity.”

“The Phallus was a sculptured representation of the membrum virile, or male organ of generation, and the worship of it is said to have originated in Egypt, where, after the murder of Osiris by Typhon, which is symbolically to be explained as the destruction or deprivation of the sun's light by night, Isis, his wife, or the symbol of nature, in the search for his mutilated body, is said to have found all the parts except the organs of generation, which myth is simply symbolic of the fact, that the sun having set, its fecundating and invigorating power had ceased.”

“The Phallus, therefore, as the symbol of the male generative principle, was very universally venerated among the ancients, and that too as a religious rite, without the slightest reference to any impure or lascivious application. He is supposed, by some commentators, to be the god mentioned under the name of Baal-peor, in the Book of Numbers, as having been worshipped by the idolatrous Moabites. Among the eastern nations of India the same symbol was prevalent, under the name of "Lingam." But the Phallus or Lingam was a representation of the male principle only. To perfect the circle of generation it is necessary to advance one step farther. Accordingly we find in the Cteis of the Greeks, and the Yoni of the Indians, a symbol of the female generative principle, of co-extensive prevalence with the Phallus. The Cteis was a circular and concave pedestal, or receptacle, on which the Phallus or column rested, and from the centre of which it sprang.”

-Albert G. Mackey, 33° Freemason, The Symbolism of Freemasonry, p. 111

Washington Monument, Washington D.C.-







Obelisk at Mecca in Saudi Arabia-







Supreme Court of Israel-

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St. Peter’s Square, Vatican City-



The obelisk in St. Peter's Square was brought to Rome in 37 A.D. from Heliopolis (Greek for Bethshemesh, House of the Sun), Egypt, by the Roman Emperor Caligula who placed it in the middle of his newly constructed racetrack known as the Circus Gai et Neronis. In 1586 A.D., Pope Sixtus V had this ancient symbol of sun and phallic worship moved, at great expense, the short distance to St. Peter's Square were it remains to this day.

Jeremiah 43:13
He shall break also the images of Bethshemesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall he burn with fire.

List of other obelisks from Bethshemesh (Heliopolis) in Rome.














Another Roman Catholic And Egyptian Connection

There is another connection existing between Roman Catholicism and Egyptian paganism. Below, we see a drawing of an Egyptian priest-king being carried about in what is known as a sedia, over 3,000 years ago. You will notice a large fan known as the flabellum, which was made of feathers, to the left of the priest-king. This was later to become known as the mystic fan of Bacchus.

-From Wilkinson, Vol. VI, Plate 76.




-From the tomb of Tutankhamun

Roman Catholicism-

[TheCaliKid]

WOW! Thank you for those posts Conspiracy Center. There is no denying the visual proof.

Treating the Pope like a god:



Note the checkerboard floor:



Homage salutes:

[catholicportugalian]

Oh yeah and that makes so much sense that the Ku Klux Klan was started by Catholics, since the Ku Klux Klan is just as much against Catholics as they are against blacks.  They despise Catholics folks.  Get real here.

And that photo of Pope Pius XII is not treating a man like a god.  Pius XII (requiescat in pace) was the vicar of Christ, and respect is warranted to take the authority of the pope seriously.  You did not see anyone worshiping or adoring the Pope.  That would be treating him like a god.  As it is worshipping and adoring the pope is blasphemy according to the Catholic church.


I just don't know what the rest of all that is about.

[jrh47962]

So where exactly does the Sicko OTO  come into the picture?  What is there connection to the Roman Catholics if any, ic little discussion of the these perverts even though they are in the thread title!

[Biggs]

Oh yeah and that makes so much sense that the Ku Klux Klan was started by Catholics, since the Ku Klux Klan is just as much against Catholics as they are against blacks.  They despise Catholics folks.  Get real here.

And that photo of Pope Pius XII is not treating a man like a god.  Pius XII (requiescat in pace) was the vicar of Christ, and respect is warranted to take the authority of the pope seriously.  You did not see anyone worshiping or adoring the Pope.  That would be treating him like a god.  As it is worshipping and adoring the pope is blasphemy according to the Catholic church.


I just don't know what the rest of all that is about.

the pictures speak for themselves, Pope's are worshipped, look at all the fawning crowds that followed JPII around everywhere, I agree fully the catholic church did not start the KKK, but then the above quotes do not claim they did, merely that there are distinct similarities in the symbolism used

[catholicportugalian]

John Paul II was an anti pope, and the people surrounding him were novus ordo catholics.  I don't mix with that crowd.  Popes are not worshipped, it is against Catholic teaching for them to be worshipped.  It is blasphemy and one can be ipso facto excommunicated for it.

[Dok]

What about statutes? What about Popes before John Paul?

[catholicportugalian]

John Paul II wasn't the first anti pope we ever had.

[Amd304912]

queen beatrice must be proud of the context... i particularly notice the checkerboard, moonf**kers, and christian identity symbolism.

[Dok]

John Paul II wasn't the first anti pope we ever had.

No, I think that honour belongs to Constantine.

[catholicportugalian]

Constantine wasn't a pope

[Dok]

Constantine wasn't a pope

Pope Constantine
Consecrated 25 March, 708

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04294b.htm

[catholicportugalian]

I thought you were talking about Constantine the Emperor.  And no he wasn't the first anti pope

    This note had its origins in Fido R CATHOLIC, which is where I first composed the original "List of Anti-Popes." I hope the latest incarnation posted to the Internet version of R CATHOLIC may interest some.


List of Anti-Popes

217-235 St. Hippolytus. One of the Fathers of the Church and the only anti-pope to be venerated as a saint. Elected "Pope" in opposition to St. Callistus I (r. 217-222) whom he accused of being a Monarchian heretic. Continued the schism in opposition to Urban I (r. 222-230) and St. Pontian (r. 230-235). The Imperial gov't, during the persecution of Emp. Maximin Thrax, exiled both Hippolytus and Pontian to Sardinia, where they were reconciled. Apparently, to end the schism they both abdicated.

251-258 Novatian. Consecrated bishop in opposition to St. Cornelius (r. 251-253). The major point in dispute (besides disappointed ambition on Novatian's part) was his opposition to the policy St. Cornelius pursued as regarded those Christians who lapsed during the persecution of Emperor Decius. The Pope insisted on restoring the "lapsi" to communion after doing suitable penance. Novatian demanded permanent excommunication from the Church.

309 Heraclius
355-365 Felix II
366-367 Ursinus
418-419 Eulalius
498-505 Laurentius
687 Theodore
687 Paschal
767-769 Constantine
768 Philip
844 John

855 Anastasius the Librarian. One of the more interesting anti-popes. A scholar learned in both Greek and Latin. After the death of St. Leo IV in 855, Anastasius, with Frankish support, tried to make himself Pope in rivalry to the lawful Pope Benedict III (r. 855-858). The violent hostility of the Romans thwarted him. Anastasius was treated leniently by Benedict and rehabilitated by Nicholas I (r. 858-867), whom he served faithfully.

903-904 Christopher

984-985 Boniface VII. One of the more disgusting anti-popes. Actually, twice anti-pope. In 974, supported by the Roman clan of the Crescentii, Boniface was "elected" Pope. He soon had the lawful Pope Benedict VI (r. 973-974) murdered. The outraged Romans expelled Boniface, who fled to the Eastern Roman Empire. In 980, while Benedict VII (r. 974-983) was absent, the usurper briefly seized Rome. Again expelled. In 984, with Byzantine support, Boniface again seized Rome, had John XIV (r. 983-984) murdered, and installed himself as "pope" until he died in 985.

997-998 John XVI
1012 Gregory
1045 Sylvester III. Scholars debate over whether or not he was truly an anti-pope.
1058-1059 Benedict X
1061-1072 Honorius II
1084-1100 Clement III
1100 Theodoric
1102 Albert
1105-1111 Sylvester IV
1118-1121 Gregory VIII
1124 Celestine II
1130-1138 Anacletus II
1138 Victor IV

1159-1164 Victor IV. The anti-popes of the years 1159-1180 were the creatures of the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick I during his long quarrel with Pope Alexander III (r. 1159-1181).

1164-1168 Paschal III
1168-1178 Callistus III
1179-1180 Innocent III

1328-1330 Nicholas V. Set up as anti-pope by the Holy Roman Emperor Louis IV during the latter's quarrel with Pope John XXII (r. 1316-1334).

1378-1394 Clement VII. The "election" of this anti-pope in opposition to the lawful Pope Urban VI (r. 1378-1389) precipitated the Western Schism of 1378-1415.

1394-1423 Benedict XIII
1049-1410 Alexander V
1410-1415 John XXIII
1423-1429 Clement VIII
1425-1430 Benedict XIV

1439-1449 Felix V. After "deposing" Eugene IV (r. 1431-1447) in 1439, the schismatic Council of Basle "elected" as "Pope" Amadeus VIII, Duke of Savoy (r. 1391-1440. Largely because the "council" desired as Pope a man of piety, wealth, and international standing. Amadeus accepted "election" only with hesitation and was soon disillusioned. In 1449, with Charles VII of France acting as mediator, Felix V submitted to the lawful Pope Nicholas V. Appointed cardinal bishop of St. Sabina, he died in 1451.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a13.htm

[TheCaliKid]

[catholicportugalian]

where did you get that picture from Dawnismygoddess?

[TheCaliKid]

I don't remember, I think it was on Yahoo a few weeks back.

[catholicportugalian]

who is that next to Bush?

[TheCaliKid]

I have no clue, never seen him before.

[Puff1]

Why did you ask DawnIsMyGoddess where he/she got the picture?  Pictorial proof hasn't phased you so far as to what the RCC is all about, so why would you want to know where the picture came from? 

[TheCaliKid]

Agreed. Why the sudden interest? I feel like we just go in circles with her. *sigh*

[One Revelator]

who is that next to Bush?

Carl A. Anderson-Supreme Knight – Knights of Columbus

As supreme knight of the Knights of Columbus, Carl A. Anderson is the chief executive officer and chairman of the board of the world's largest Catholic family fraternal service organization, which has more than 1.7 million members.
Mr. Anderson has had a distinguished career as a public servant and educator. From 1983 to 1987, he served in various positions of the Executive Office of the President of the United States, including special assistant to the President and acting director of the White House Office of Public Liaison. Following his service at the White House, Mr. Anderson served for nearly a decade as a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
//snip//
In 2002, Mr. Anderson was appointed a member of the Pontifical Council for the Laity by Pope John Paul II. Later that year he was named by the Holy Father as a consultor to the Pontifical Council for the Family; and in 2003, as a consultor to the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. Pope Benedict XVI appointed him a consultor to the Pontifical Council for Social Communications in 2006.

Rest of the bio here: http://www.kofc.org/un/news/releases/media/execs/bio.cfm?id=1

[Biggs]

KofC sounds seriously masonic, I wonder if they constitute the Green Lodges that were said to be behind the IRA in their fight against the British/Dutch Orange Lodges.

[One Revelator]

KofC sounds seriously masonic, I wonder if they constitute the Green Lodges that were said to be behind the IRA in their fight against the British/Dutch Orange Lodges.

Technically, according to the Iowa K of C:

March 1, 2007
A KNIGHT MAY NOT ALSO BE A MASON
For many years now, for various reasons, there has been confusion among Catholics
regarding Catholic laymen becoming members of a Masonic organization. It
should first be noted that Masons (also known as Freemasons), like the Knights of
Columbus, have a proud history of fraternalism within its membership as well as service
to the community. It is encouraging to note that Knights and Masons sometimes
congregate at a joint function, such as a meal to enjoy each other’s company. This is a
wonderful development in recent years and certainly encourages tolerance amongst
fraternal organizations and Christian religions.
//snip//
"...the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus has
maintained that its members may not also be members of a Masonic organization. It is
worth noting that there may indeed exist Knights in subordinate councils within Iowa
who are also Masons...."

Rest here:  http://www.iowakofc.org/docs/MasonicPosition.pdf

However, there has been cooperation between the 2 organizations at least as far back as 1966:

“Knights & Masons Together”  -- Time Magazine article
Here:  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,836270,00.html?iid=digg_share

Found one statement that contradicts the first idea indicating membership in both groups:

“The Knights of Columbus organization has a proud history. There are many Masons who are also involved members of the KofC and it is not unusual for KofC Councils and Masonic Lodges to share an annual 'Fellowship Breakfast' or other activities in the interests of fraternalism.”
Source: They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes and Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions
by Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, Oxford University Press, 1989.
Rest here:  http://www.masonicinfo.com/KofC.htm

And found “Masonic” K of C 4th degree rings (jewelry) for sale alongside plain K of C 4th degree rings.

[TheCaliKid]

Thanks for your post, One Revelator.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck!

[catholicportugalian]

Why did you ask DawnIsMyGoddess where he/she got the picture?  Pictorial proof hasn't phased you so far as to what the RCC is all about, so why would you want to know where the picture came from? 

I wasn't looking for pictorial proof.  i was just curious.

[catholicportugalian]

Carl A. Anderson-Supreme Knight – Knights of Columbus

As supreme knight of the Knights of Columbus, Carl A. Anderson is the chief executive officer and chairman of the board of the world's largest Catholic family fraternal service organization, which has more than 1.7 million members.
Mr. Anderson has had a distinguished career as a public servant and educator. From 1983 to 1987, he served in various positions of the Executive Office of the President of the United States, including special assistant to the President and acting director of the White House Office of Public Liaison. Following his service at the White House, Mr. Anderson served for nearly a decade as a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
//snip//
In 2002, Mr. Anderson was appointed a member of the Pontifical Council for the Laity by Pope John Paul II. Later that year he was named by the Holy Father as a consultor to the Pontifical Council for the Family; and in 2003, as a consultor to the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. Pope Benedict XVI appointed him a consultor to the Pontifical Council for Social Communications in 2006.

Rest of the bio here: http://www.kofc.org/un/news/releases/media/execs/bio.cfm?id=1

thanks for the info.  It helps me to see that Mr. Anderson is not a Catholic, and rather is in league with the non Catholics who are running the supposed Catholic church in Rome.

and again thank you, more proof that the free masons have had control of the Vatican since 1958. 
Technically, according to the Iowa K of C:

March 1, 2007
A KNIGHT MAY NOT ALSO BE A MASON
For many years now, for various reasons, there has been confusion among Catholics
regarding Catholic laymen becoming members of a Masonic organization. It
should first be noted that Masons (also known as Freemasons), like the Knights of
Columbus, have a proud history of fraternalism within its membership as well as service
to the community. It is encouraging to note that Knights and Masons sometimes
congregate at a joint function, such as a meal to enjoy each other’s company. This is a
wonderful development in recent years and certainly encourages tolerance amongst
fraternal organizations and Christian religions.
//snip//
"...the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus has
maintained that its members may not also be members of a Masonic organization. It is
worth noting that there may indeed exist Knights in subordinate councils within Iowa
who are also Masons...."

Rest here:  http://www.iowakofc.org/docs/MasonicPosition.pdf

However, there has been cooperation between the 2 organizations at least as far back as 1966:

“Knights & Masons Together”  -- Time Magazine article
Here:  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,836270,00.html?iid=digg_share

Found one statement that contradicts the first idea indicating membership in both groups:

“The Knights of Columbus organization has a proud history. There are many Masons who are also involved members of the KofC and it is not unusual for KofC Councils and Masonic Lodges to share an annual 'Fellowship Breakfast' or other activities in the interests of fraternalism.”
Source: They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes and Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions
by Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, Oxford University Press, 1989.
Rest here:  http://www.masonicinfo.com/KofC.htm

And found “Masonic” K of C 4th degree rings (jewelry) for sale alongside plain K of C 4th degree rings.

[TheCaliKid]

Yet another KoC/Masonic link:



^ "The Deputy Grand Knight acts on behalf of the Grand Knight in his absence and also serves as General Programs Director at Fr. Rosensteel Council. His emblem, the Compass, was also used by Columbus, the Mariner. The Knights of Columbus Compass, with its points being Charity, Unity, Fraternity and Patriotism, is known as the Compass of Virtue; its 32 flame-like rays represent the 32 virtues which may be possessed by men"    Note: the 32 points.


32 is one of the most important numbers in Masonry. It is the highest degree a Mason can earn (the 33rd degree is an honorary degree - you must be asked or chosen to attain the 33rd degree)


Grotto jewel. Note the 32 points of the "sunburst":

[Amishism]

If the police p, federal agent or politician will not admit membership in the organisation then it is a secret society, no?


George W. Bush addressing the KoC
"I'm proud to say that my family has contributed to your ranks. A few years ago, Governor Jeb became a Knight. And he — yes — and he recently took his Third Degree. I'll see him this weekend. His son is getting married. I'll pass on the word, aim for the Fourth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush#Religious_affiliation


I don't think Jeb has plans for anymore US politics.

[Citizenkino]

wow this is great, at my work place my boss donates money to a local church but the guy always asks to include the name Knights of Columbus...passed Wednesday i asked him what KoC was and he just said was apart of the Catholic Church. thx for opening my eyes.

[Biggs]

wow this is great, at my work place my boss donates money to a local church but the guy always asks to include the name Knights of Columbus...passed Wednesday i asked him what KoC was and he just said was apart of the Catholic Church. thx for opening my eyes.

if your boss is giving KofC money it very likely means he is getting contracts or recommendations from its members, much in the same way as if he were giving the local masonic lodge money

"will you give me a square deal?"

it is all about the corruption and the funneling of contracts to the businesses that belong to the brothers of the craft,  it is the same in KofC

[RickT]

Funny, I'm looking directly at my late grandfather's 4th degree chapeau (makes a nice ornament on my windowsill) and it was from his guidance that I got my first conspiratorial and skeptical feelings about government.

He wouldn't like my feelings about Christianity though.

[hyperqube]

The obelisk at Mecca represents Satan. 

ya know they throw rocks at this obelisk. hmmmm

[RickT]

The obelisk at Mecca represents Satan. 

ya know they throw rocks at this obelisk. hmmmm

Another ridiculous ceremony where people get trampled to death every year.  They're over in Iraq whipping their backs with blades today.  Brilliant.

[hyperqube]

Another ridiculous ceremony where people get trampled to death every year.  They're over in Iraq whipping their backs with blades today.  Brilliant.

yeah as if christians haven't been known to be into self mortification too. 

[RickT]

yeah as if christians haven't been known to be into self mortification too. 

Yeah, sick.  At least I'll give those Christians this... it doesn't end up being glorified as "freedom" on the news.

[TheCaliKid]

Here are some more pentagons that I have come across recently...


- Upwards -


Logo of the York Rite Sovereign College of North America:

^ Note: the circle (feminine, infinity), the 5 letters at the 5 points, the 9-pointed nonagram star overlaid on an inverted 7-pointed heptagram star. (also known as a septagram)


Seal of a Masonic lodge:




- Downwards -


Inverted pentagon aprons of the Order of the Eastern Star (O.E.S., or just OES):

[Amd304912]

fyi most of this babbleslober is in this thread right here http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message519576/pg1

[cover fire hero]

The Catholics adopted a lot of "Pagan" stuff because once upon a time they over the world which was "Pagan" and the people who got it going were also "Pagan." For instance Christmas was originally a "Pagan" holiday known as Saturnalia or the feast of fools.

[catholicportugalian]

The Catholics adopted a lot of "Pagan" stuff because once upon a time they over the world which was "Pagan" and the people who got it going were also "Pagan." For instance Christmas was originally a "Pagan" holiday known as Saturnalia or the feast of fools.

if you scrolled up you would see that you are not adding anything new to the conversation.  Unfortunately, you are not the only one in this forum who believes that.

[TheCaliKid]

if you scrolled up you would see that you are not adding anything new to the conversation.  Unfortunately, you are not the only one in this forum who believes that.

...and fortunately you are the only one here who doesn't believe that.