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« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2008, 03:11:51 AM »
Vatican II pretty much went against nearly every single dogma, doctrine, and decree of the church.  From there it is pretty easy to make new edicts and embrace error.  Not everyone went along with it though.  After Vatican II nearly half the priests broke their ties with Rome.  Some joined Archbishop Lefebvre's Society of St. Pius X.  Others evolved into believing sede vacante (holy see is vacant).  I can't even count the number of times the Vatican has promoted heresy and blasphemy now.  It is so easy for them now.
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« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2008, 06:37:04 AM »
Lets count the number of times they promoted heresy and blasphemy before 1958. Heres some of them.

LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES
And HUMAN TRADITIONS
Heresy Date
   
OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross.  Both began 300 years after Christ. 310
Wax Candles introduced in church. about 320
Veneration of angels and dead saints. 375
The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted. 394
The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus 431
Priests began to dress differently from the laity 500
Extreme Unction 526
The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great 593
The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ

The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9). 600
The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church

(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 600
The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas

This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."

Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11).

Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 610
The kissing of the Pope's feet

It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9). 709
The Temporal power of the Popes

When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 750
Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized

This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115). 788
Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized 850
The veneration of St. Joseph began 890
The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV 965
Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV

Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2). 995
Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed

Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible. (Read Matthew 15:10; 1st Corinthians 10:25; 1st Timothy 4:1-3). 998
The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.

The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).   
The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII

Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15). 1079
The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans

The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13). 1090
The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion 1184
The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.

Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 1190
The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year

By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26). 1215
Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council

The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9). 1215
The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius

So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24). 1220
The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia

Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17). 1229
The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk

It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism. 1287
The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance

The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29). 1414
The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence

There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1). 1439
The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed

The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28). 1439
The Ave Maria, part of the last

It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century. 1508
The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible

By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18). 1545
The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent

These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Revelation 22:8-9). 1546
The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles

True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Galatians 1:8 ). 1560
The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX

The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47). 1834
In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility

This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).

Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l Total, 666. 1870
Pope Plus X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church

Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864. 1907
In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools 1930
In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God"

This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5). 1931
In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary 1950

CONCLUSION

What will be the next invention? The Roman Church says it never changes; yet, it has done nothing else but invent new doctrines which are contrary to the Bible, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism. Some scholar has found that 75% of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan origin.

Note:-- Cardinal Newman, in his book, "The Development of the Christian Religion," admits that ... "Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin..." (Page 359).

HERESIES are those doctrines and practices which are contrary to the Bible. They are also called "human traditions" or "doctrines of men". Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5). Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, for they transgressed the commandments of God by keeping their traditions. "in vain," He said, "they worship me by keeping for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:3,9).

The real heretics therefore, are the Roman Catholics and the true orthodox are the Evangelical Christians.

BRETHREN! The Word of God commands us to get out of Babylon, saying: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Revelation 18:4). All true Christians will remain faithful to the religion of Christ as taught in the Bible, and heed the warning of the Apostle Paul, who said: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 ).
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2008, 06:39:58 AM »
let the pillage of faith commence  :-\

im tired of this shit.
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« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2008, 06:50:30 AM »
why does the catholic church worship mary and not Christ...I think marys a fictional character?...thats why..
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« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2008, 06:55:49 AM »
why does the catholic church worship mary and not Christ...I think marys a fictional character?...thats why..

that's not really a question there?

so all other christians dont worship a fictional character either?

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« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2008, 06:58:34 AM »
that's not really a question there?

so all other christians dont worship a fictional character either?



I guess your in the camp that jesus is a fraud?...good luck..
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« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2008, 06:59:41 AM »
I guess your in the camp that jesus is a fraud?...good luck..

nahh i just think he had to have had a mother.
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« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2008, 07:02:55 AM »
nahh i just think he had to have had a mother.

I think he came the same way he left ...from the sky...
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« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:03 AM »
I think he came the same way he left ...from the sky...

When he left he had a mom.
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« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2008, 07:08:42 AM »
I think he came the same way he left ...from the sky...

almost forgot. jesus is your homeboy...
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« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2008, 07:10:40 AM »
almost forgot. jesus is your homeboy...

lol...he doesnt go by jesus anymore..but he's fighting the battle for us everyday..the NWO will never let you know he's here helping..it would crush them.
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« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2008, 07:11:14 AM »
When he left he had a mom.

lol that's original.
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« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2008, 07:15:14 AM »
When he left he had a mom.

Did the catholic church find it easier to sell immaculate conception, then space travel?...when they rewrote the bible?..and if they did rewrite the bible like I think they did, we could be in danger..
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« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2008, 07:18:01 AM »
Did the catholic church find it easier to sell immaculate conception, then space travel?...when they rewrote the bible?..and if they did rewrite the bible like I think they did, we could be in danger..

both greek and latin has respective errors.   :)
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« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2008, 07:31:54 AM »
both greek and latin has respective errors.   :)

If the masons and secret societys, sided with the beast in the final battle.. which I think they have, they could have infiltrated the catholic church, hundreds of years ago. and rewritten everything, to eliminate space travel and jesus..and form the bible to there liking. so the beast wins..If they did this rewrite.. it would have universal consequences..
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« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2008, 07:46:41 AM »
If the masons and secret societys, sided with the beast in the final battle.. which I think they have, they could have infiltrated the catholic church, hundreds of years ago. and rewritten everything, to eliminate space travel and jesus..and form the bible to there liking. so the beast wins..If they did this rewrite.. it would have universal consequences..

yes it would have created the space travel immaculate conception conundrum.

both sides play the mail man blame game on each other. when the truth was in plain sight.

so just as you said they could have re written things. greeks and romans have a superiority complex problem.
which gives you two versions, which are both suspect.
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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2008, 07:51:52 AM »
yes it would have created the space travel immaculate conception conundrum.

both sides play the mail man blame game on each other. when the truth was in plain sight.

so just as you said they could have re written things. greeks and romans have a superiority complex problem.
which gives you two versions, which are both suspect.

It's all suspect, since I know the NWO is sided with the beast...they hate God with a passion..they are satan worshippers,and they worship the draco beast..the elite think if they create a one world govt, the dracos will give them the technology to control us forever..the beast.
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« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2008, 07:54:13 AM »
It's all suspect, since I know the NWO is sided with the beast...they hate God with a passion..they are satan worshippers,and they worship the draco beast..the elite think if they create a one world govt, the dracos will give them the technology to control us forever..the beast.

that is why people can disagree and agree, the nwo is the target.
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« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2008, 07:58:01 AM »
that is why people can disagree and agree, the nwo is the target.

no your freedom and rights are the target..the global economy.is just like in the civil war..we pay good wages and have benefits...they have state owned factories, and work slaves.it cant work..they want us to be like them..rather then fight for them to be like us..it's easier to eliminate our rights and benefits. then help billions of people..
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« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2008, 08:07:15 AM »
no your freedom and rights are the target..the global economy.is just like in the civil war..we pay good wages and have benefits...they have state owned factories, and work slaves.it cant work..they want us to be like them..rather then fight for them to be like us..it's easier to eliminate our rights and benefits. then help billions of people..

so how is the nwo not the enemy?
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« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2008, 08:11:34 AM »
so how is the nwo not the enemy?

they are the enemy...of everyone who thinks they are still free...they've got there tentacles wrapped around us, but havent choked us off yet..
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« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2008, 11:44:04 AM »
Ok, I think we have either some trolls in here or some people really obsessed with attacking the Catholic faith itself.  This thread  is not about Catholic teachings.  If you want to attack the Catholic faith itself, please make another thread.  This is all just a big distraction.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2008, 12:03:38 PM »
catholicportugalian, the RCC has a very long history that preceeded the 20th century and Vatican II - Inquisitions and the murder of millions - these included people who were persecuted for having a Bible!  Not that any of it was ever justified, regardless of the reason they labeled people to be 'heretics.'  They tortured people for not converting.  How can you deny history?  I think it goes without saying, this was never a method used by Jesus Christ.  He taught the opposite. 

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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #103 on: November 25, 2008, 12:16:48 PM »
okay i really am going to split this thread up now it has degenerated into the usual proddy/catholic shouting match, but not right now as I really cannot be bothered, later today most likely.

symbolism and babylonian cultish stuff here, other stuff in a new thread,

sorry to disappoint those of you who love such things but at least you all have your own section, LOL

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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2008, 12:25:19 PM »
Thank you Biggs.    And some advice to you Puff, don't believe everything you read in history books. 
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2008, 07:25:24 PM »
Check it out, I found some more symbolism links.


Once again the Knights of Columbus badge (minus the pyramid shape at the top):



The jewel of a Sovereign Grand Inspector General, 33:

^ This is the highest publicly admitted degree in Masonry.


And we see the same shape yet again! (for more on this, see page 2 of this thread)



A Sovereign Grand Inspector General, 33 with his jewel:
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2008, 08:40:08 PM »
I do still have to say that one symbol like that can be used in so many ways, but that doesn't make the use of the symbol bad. It really just doesn't prove anything.  The K of C emblem was created well before 1958 and for good intentions, without any kind of relation to freemasonry.  Remember that freemasonry itself was the not the first to use that symbol.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2008, 09:09:04 PM »
I do still have to say that one symbol like that can be used in so many ways, but that doesn't make the use of the symbol bad. It really just doesn't prove anything.  The K of C emblem was created well before 1958 and for good intentions, without any kind of relation to freemasonry.  Remember that freemasonry itself was the not the first to use that symbol.


the only thing to say is if they wish to fit square pegs in round holes no one can tell them nothing, note the pin.

just ignore the arrogance of a pigeonhole because it is intent on division. there are far more non fluoride induced threads.

i agree that its a sh*ty attempt at making the bottom the top, they are masons trying to hide behind the ones who arent.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2008, 09:47:56 PM »
I do still have to say that one symbol like that can be used in so many ways, but that doesn't make the use of the symbol bad. It really just doesn't prove anything.  The K of C emblem was created well before 1958 and for good intentions, without any kind of relation to freemasonry.  Remember that freemasonry itself was the not the first to use that symbol.

Correct. I just found that similarity and thought I would share.

The K o C was founded in 1881, is this even the original logo? I have no clue. I don't even know where to go to find that answer. (except the library, but that would be a lot of work)

Oh, and I will be bringing up more symbolism concerning the K o C, it doesn't mean that they are evil, it's just to get you thinking that's all.


Amd - you need to take a chill pill and stop acting like a know-it-all. There is a very strong connection with the Masons and the military.

   
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2008, 09:52:34 PM »
Correct. I just found that similarity and thought I would share.

The K o C was founded in 1881, is this even the original logo? I have no clue. I don't even know where to go to find that answer. (except the library, but that would be a lot of work)

Oh, and I will be bringing up more symbolism concerning the K o C, it doesn't mean that they are evil, it's just to get you thinking that's all.


Amd - you need to take a chill pill and stop acting like a know-it-all. There is a very strong connection with the Masons and the military.

  

it is why i used sarcasm, sorry it came off in that manner.

its just the only way you can get a response is to point this out.




props to a post from c.f. its a funny pic.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2008, 09:58:46 PM »
You know that picture is going to be edited by the moderator, don't you?
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #113 on: November 25, 2008, 10:02:04 PM »
You know that picture is going to be edited by the moderator, don't you?

mods are only people also no need to think there is a monopoly on opinion now.

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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #114 on: November 25, 2008, 10:05:46 PM »
There isn't. However, there should be a monopoly on decency.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #115 on: November 25, 2008, 10:07:29 PM »
There isn't. However, there should be a monopoly on decency.

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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #116 on: November 25, 2008, 10:13:19 PM »
that is what got amish... op using decency as a cape of failure.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #117 on: November 25, 2008, 10:13:48 PM »
I tried to find the insignia pre 1990s at least and couldn't find it.  I will keep looking.
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #118 on: November 25, 2008, 10:16:03 PM »
This is what I found



The Emblem of the Order of the Knights of Columbus

The Emblem of the Order dates from the Second Supreme meeting, May 12, 1883, when it was designed by James T. Mullen who was then the first Supreme Knight.  A quick glance at the Emblem indicates a shield mounted upon a cross similar to a Maltese cross, turned sideways.  The shield is that of one associated with a medieval Knight.  The cross of Malta is the representation, in a traditionally artistic design, of the Cross of Christ through which all graces of redemption were procured for mankind.  This, then, represents the Catholic spirit of the Order.

Mounted on the shield are three objects; a mace standing vertically, and crossed behind it, an anchor and a dagger or short sword. The mace from Roman days of authority, which must exist in any tightly-bonded and efficiently operating organization. The anchor is the mariner's symbol for Columbus, patron of the Order, while the short sword or dagger was the weapon of the Knight when engaged upon an errand of mercy.

Thus the shield expresses Catholic Knighthood in organized merciful action, and with the letters K of C, it proclaims this specific form of activity. The red, white, and blue in the background of the shield and the foreground of the Cross of Malta are the colors of our beloved country As such, red is the color of stout-hearted courage, of pulsing activity and a full measure of devotion. Blue is the symbol of hope, of calm tranquility under God, and of confidence in the protection of our country, established under God. White is the symbol of nobility of purpose, of purity of aim, and of crucible tried ideals to be carried out.
 
FAITH, HOPE, CHARITY
But there is another symbolism of color in red, white, and blue. This is the ecclesiastical symbolism in which red becomes the reflection of the drops of Christ's redemptive blood, shed upon Calvary, and of the Martyr's blood shed in defense of the faith. Red, then, is the symbol of Faith, of belief in Christ, in the Redemption, and in the mission of every man to spread the knowledge and love of Jesus Christ.

White is the color of the Eucharistic Host, pledge of God's Eucharistic presence among men, of the infinite love God had for man, and of the overwhelming affection which the God-man had for each individual. White then is the symbol of Christ-like Charity.

Blue is the color of Our Lady's mantle, in which she draped her beloved Son, through Whom salvation came to a sinful world. Blue is then the symbol of Hope.

Brothers, be thus edified of the meaning of this, the noble Emblem of our Order. Always wear it with Pride, Dignity, and Honor, and be inspired to live the virtues it proclaims.
 
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Re: Knights of Columbus, OTO and other symbolism
« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2008, 01:21:58 AM »
Albert Pike & the KKK


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So what was the Klan's real flag? It is called the Grand Ensign. In the Klan's original Prescripts of 1867 the official banner of the KKK was described in detail. It was to be three feet by five feet and triangular in shape. It was to be yellow material with a red scalloped border about three inches in width. Hand painted on it in black was to be a European flying dragon (dracovolans) and the Latin motto: Quod Semper, Quod Ubique, Quod Ab Omnibus. (What always, what everywhere, what by all is held to be true.) As two original Klan flags survived to this day we know what they looked like. Below is a black and white photo copy of the original Grand Ensign of the Pulaski, TN. Klan. It is now owned by the Tennessee Historical Society at Nashville. The color picture is of the Cabarrus County, N.C. Klan and is owned by the Confederate Museum in Richmond, Va.


Quod Semper, Quod Ubique, Quod Ab Omnibus = 33 letters





The Latin motto of the original Ku Klux Klan is taken from the writings of a catholic saint by the name of Vincentius of Lrins.


Also the garments of the KKK mirror those of the Nazarenos, a catholic order found predominately in southern Spain. Their distinctive pointed hoods (called a Capirote) and mask (Antifaz) have become a trademark of the Semana Santa en Sevilla, the annual celebration in the week leading up to Easter.























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The Klan salute dates back to 1915 and possibly back to the original Klan. The Klan copied it from the ancient Roman salute.

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Let's finally set the record straight on this fiery cross controversy. I went to a Catholic grammar school and Catholic high school. We studied the origins of the fiery cross and its religious symbolism in class. Now here it is contrary to anyone else's propaganda.

According to church doctrine the first Christian Roman Emperor, Constantine, beheld a vision of a fiery cross in the sky on the eve of a battle. With the fiery cross vision in the sky were the words: "With this sign ye shall conquer." Constantine adopted the fiery cross as his symbol on his shield and won the battle. That's how it all got started and since then the fiery cross has been a religious symbol not only for the Catholic Church, but numerous Protestant churches as well. As a religious symbol these churches use the fiery cross in various ways.

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