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Happy Veterans Day - Nov 11
« on: November 11, 2008, 06:32:44 AM »
This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'

An open letter from war resisters calls for an end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


By Benjamin Lewis and Brandon Neely, AlterNet
Posted on November 11, 2008, Printed on November 11, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/106404/


On this day, Veteran's Day, we would like to express to the American public why we, veterans of the Global War on Terror, have chosen to refuse orders to reactivate into military service. We are direct witnesses to the horrors of this war, having experienced its atrocities at their source, and we have decided that we can no longer carry out these illegal and immoral policies.

We believe that veterans and active-duty GIs are in a key position to stop illegal and unjust war, and we are inspired by the resistance of troops who stood against the war in Vietnam. One of the preeminent reasons for the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam was increasing dissent among the active-duty troops stationed abroad and at home. By the end of the war, there were entire units refusing to participate in combat, many going as far as outright mutiny.

The United States learned a lesson from the Vietnam War: that it is unlikely, except in the event of self-defense, that regular civilians will execute the life-threatening orders that are given to them by military authority. The solution of policy makers was to create an all-volunteer force that negated the need for a draft. This translates into a mercenary force composed of America's disadvantaged: a sector of the U.S. demographic that is particularly susceptible to military recruitment for lack of other options and finding themselves with deployment orders again and again.

To compensate for huge pitfalls in recruitment since the invasion of Iraq, the military has resorted to recalling former service members. This policy is known as "involuntary activation" and utilizes deactivated service members who still have time on their contracts in the Individual Ready Reserves (IRR) to fill shortcomings in specific job specialties. The abuse and misuse of this policy has escalated under the current administration to such a degree that it can now only be viewed as a "backdoor draft" that targets the same disadvantaged individuals the military sought out for enlistment, namely because they are better at not questioning orders.

However, we have now begun to question these orders. We are veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and members of the IRR who have refused or will refuse any activation orders that would lead to us serving an unjust and imperial U.S. foreign policy. It is a prevailing notion that this refusal is unpatriotic, but we consider our actions the only choice. Not only did the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan do great harm to the people of those countries, but it undermined the ostensible goal with which the wars were begun: Instead of stopping terrorism, it has proliferated terrorism, an expectation that was predicted well before the war started.

By refusing activation, we are refusing to participate in wars that serve the purposes of furthering the careers of politicians and high-ranking officers. We openly support other IRR members who follow in these footsteps. The military is a force that rules through fear of retribution for disobeying its will. In reality, more than a third of IRRs simply refuse to report to duty. Most of the rest report out of fear that the military will change their discharge status or prosecute them for desertion, but up to this point, prosecution has been rare. Members of the IRR are not under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), and thus far, the military has had a practice of not prosecuting them with criminal charges unless they report in some form or function to activate. Very few willingly volunteer for activation.

There can be no promise that President-Elect Barack Obama will stop the stressful and unfair techniques of back-to-back deployments, "stop-loss" or the "backdoor draft" that are damaging the psychology of veterans in irreparable ways. Nor that he will stop encouraging global violence by unlawful uses of force. It is in this vein that we turn to organizations like Courage to Resist, Iraq Veterans Against the War and many other large-scale and grassroots organizations to solicit change in a largely unrepresentative democracy, and to allow the voices of the people to ring through the halls of the Capital.

Benjamin Lewis, former Marine Corps mortarman, Iraq veteran, IRR recall resister, peace activist

Brandon Neely, former U.S. Army Military police officer, Iraq veteran, IRR recall refuser


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A Veterans Day Tribute
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 07:08:51 AM »
 

November 11, 2008

A Veterans Day Tribute

 
David R. Henderson


Every Veterans Day, I try to do something special to remember or honor a veteran. I don't like the standard flag-waving event that this day has become for many people. In many Veterans Day speeches, the speakers talk about the hundreds of thousands of American veterans who gave their lives for our freedom. The problem with that is twofold: (1) Very few of those who were killed in war literally gave their lives but instead had their lives ripped away, and (2) very few of them fought for our freedom. So my tribute this time is to a veteran who did not give his life and knew that he wasn't fighting for our freedom. That veteran is Richard H. Timberlake, Jr.

Dick Timberlake, who has become a personal friend, is a fairly well-known monetary economist and a veteran of World War II. Timberlake's book They Never Saw Me Then is his account of his time in World War II, first training to be a pilot in the United States and then being a co-pilot of a B-17 on bombing raids over Germany. The book ends with his being wounded in one such raid and then recuperating in hospitals in England and the United States. The title of his book, he explains, comes from the thought that he and his buddies had about their wish for various friends, relatives, and "enemies": "Boy, if they could see me now." But because they couldn't see him then, he writes, his recourse is to tell the story himself. He tells it well.

One thing that is clear throughout the book is that Dick Timberlake had one main goal during the war: to preserve the life of Dick Timberlake. And, he points out, this was the norm. He quotes from Arthur Hoppe, a journalist for the San Francisco Chronicle: "I suppose there were a few in World War II who were fighting for freedom or democracy, but in my three years in the Navy I never met one of them. … [W]e were fighting to stay alive. And that is the true horror of war."

Arthur Hoppe, writes Timberlake, "had it right."

But if this is how everyone thought, what makes Timberlake's book special? Not mainly that he's a good writer, but that he is willing to speak out about the horror of war. It helps, also, that Timberlake is a free-market economist who understands the harmony that markets lead to and the chaos and destruction that war causes.

We often hear about soldiers in World War II trying to go after Hitler. But Timberlake recognizes the reality. He writes:

"All of my fellow airmen and I knew that Hitler and his henchmen were atrocious and loathsome examples of the human race. Yet, any U.S. soldier or airman who thought even briefly about his job of trying to kill and destroy 'the enemy,' knew that he was not within range of damaging Hitler and other Nazi leaders. We could not reach their personal environments or influence their decisions; our activities were many magnitudes removed from hurting them. We could only chip away at the peripheries of their domain and hope that they would realize the futility and fallacy of their ways. To do so, we had to try and kill our enemy counterparts with whom we had no personal quarrel at all. We aimed our bombs at their strategic war-making industries and infrastructure, but in the process we knew that we could not avoid hitting churches, schools, and innocent people. Many of us thought that a better way must exist. Fifty-six years later, I still think so."

Reading the line about killing counterparts with whom he had no personal quarrel, I thought of a vignette I read years ago:

General: "Men, we're surrounded, but the enemy has the same number of soldiers we do. So some man out there is going to try to kill you, and your job is to kill him first."

Private: "General, could you point to the man you want me to kill? I believe that he and I can make another arrangement."

Timberlake gives a pithy statement of the essence of war: "War is the mutual destruction of capital, both human and non-human."

Timberlake also recognizes the cause of war. He writes:

"Finally, in their external affairs governments must resist any temptation to intervene in the affairs of other peoples. It takes a government to wage a war. So governments must take the same oath of nonintervention – live-and-let-live – with other governments as each individual observes with other individuals. The model for this point-of-view is the political system the Founding Fathers put together when they wrote the Constitution of the United States."

So what do we owe our veterans on this Veterans Day and, indeed, on all days? Timberlake has an answer:

"Surely, if societies owe anything to the veterans of former wars and the innocent soldiers and people destroyed in these catastrophes, it is a responsibility to avoid further warfare by every practicable means. So far as I can see from my vantage point, societies and governments are not following my simple prescription – or any other effective strategy – for preventing wars of all varieties. In not doing so, they are betraying the trust that my wartime colleagues, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, and I reposed in them."

Copyright © 2008 by David R. Henderson. Requests for permission to reprint should be directed to the author or Antiwar.com.
 
 
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Re: A Veterans Day Tribute
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 07:10:03 AM »
Consider this on Tuesday


By Dimitri Vassilaros
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, November 7, 2008
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_597203.html


When remembering the brave Americans on Tuesday who served this republic -- especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice -- remember the people who put them in harm's way.

Veterans Day, which was known as Armistice Day until 1954, honors American veterans of all wars on Nov. 11.

What many of them experienced doing their duty is almost incomprehensible. Sing their praises to the heavens. Shower them with all the glory they so richly deserve. Thank God so many put their lives on the line to help make this the greatest nation in history.

But after the parade bands stop marching, the bunting is decommissioned and the bystanders stop waving those little American flags, consider why so many have been wounded or lost -- and if anything can be done to lessen the need for more rehab hospitals and national cemeteries.

The public should ask itself if it's ever done a disservice to its service men and women when expedience trumped the U.S. Constitution. And if so, how many in our military paid -- and how dearly.

Congress has formally declared war during five conflicts: with Great Britain in 1812, Mexico in 1846, Spain in 1898 and the two world wars.

However, this nation has used its armed forces abroad in situations of military or potential conflict (or for other than normal peacetime purposes) more than 420 times, according to a report by Richard F. Grimmett, a congressional research service defense specialist at the Library of Congress.

U.S. forces have been in Afghanistan to Zaire, the Fiji Islands, Hawaiian Islands and Falkland Islands, Samoa, Sumatra and, yes, even Soviet Russia. The U.S. battled Barbary pirates and Mexican bandits but also deployed troops to protect American interests in foreign lands -- too many times and in too many places (like Korea and Vietnam) -- to fight and maybe die.

There have been about 100,000 American military fatalities in these undeclared wars or "conflicts" abroad, says Eric Garris. "It's horrendous." He is the director of antiwar.com, a site supporting a noninterventionist U.S. military policy and adherence to the rule of law.

"A lot of the presidents' actions take place not for strategic planning, just political events. How can you justify even one person being killed for that reason?" Mr. Garris asks. "At best, Congress has passed advisory votes that say to presidents, 'We advise you to get out within a year.' They essentially have left it to the presidents, which is a violation of the U.S. Constitution. They are relinquishing their responsibility."

Like the undeclared war in Iraq.

Congress abrogated its responsibility, says Jacob Hornberger, lawyer and president the Future of Freedom Foundation, a nonprofit organization in the Washington, D.C., area that espouses libertarian philosophy. "They said, 'We don't want to make that call. We'll just delegate to the president to make the call.' They weren't declaring war. It's not only unconstitutional, it was the height of political cowardice."

CNN reports that the U.S. conducted a "successful" strike in Syria on Oct. 26, targeting a suspected smuggler of foreign fighters, money and weapons into Iraq.

Enjoy the parades on Tuesday.

Dimitri Vassilaros can be reached at dvassilaros@tribweb.com or 412-380-5637.





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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 07:40:34 AM »


Your guys are making us proud, and calling attention to the abomination these F&¨%$¨&&*kers in power did to this nation.

Us Nam vets are with you, and more truthers than you can foo%%en imagine.

We need you guys, lets bring the truth out, and wake up this f&¨$¨ken nation.

Go for it, balllls to the wall.




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Re: A Veterans Day Tribute
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 07:54:37 AM »


The man is right.

Who in their right mind wants to go to another land , risk life and limb, be forced to kill, see the ravages and destruction, the genocide, and know full well it was a staged deception.

Think about it, all troopers are not robotic Bushys, the majority are our sons and daughters of this nation caught up in the trickery of the Elite.

The NSM is not with us, they sold out, its up to us to bring the truth to the people of this nation.

This regime has ripped the heart from this nation, lets get it back.


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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 09:02:21 AM »
I responded. I don't know if they'll leave it up or not.

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I have to vehemently disagree with anyone who thinks your refusal to participate in the evil deeds the Bush regime has perpetrated is "unpatriotic."

It seems to me that "patriotic" has become a word used to coerce people into accepting the immoral as moral. To make catastrophic failures on the part of our government into 'acceptable losses.'

I count your actions as among the HIGHEST and MOST "patriotic" of all. And not only are you being deeply patriotic to the USA, but to all humanity.

You're not as alone as you seem to feel. Many of us will support your choice 110% (and more). I would die for your right to say you will NOT serve this brutal regime (or any other that seeks to destroy you so that they can further themselves on the bodies of the innocent dead).

People who still support the war are lying to themselves, and being lied to. They refuse to see the truth that is there right before everyone's eyes. And they still listen to the media who tells them that only "the bad people" die, and if a civilian does now and then, well... it's not ON PURPOSE, you know.

These are human beings. It's time that people stop allowing the media and our government to dehumanize them. WE ARE KILLING HUMAN BEINGS.

And you are absolutely RIGHT to stand up and say, "No, I WON'T!"
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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 09:39:05 AM »
And, again this year, Commerce Bank will be open on Veterans Day, Thursday, November 11.
http://www.tdbank.com/tdbank_news/newsdetail.cfm?newsid=108

i noticed some big banks were open today, but isnt veterans day a federal holiday?
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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 09:44:27 AM »
And, again this year, Commerce Bank will be open on Veterans Day, Thursday, November 11.
http://www.tdbank.com/tdbank_news/newsdetail.cfm?newsid=108

i noticed some big banks were open today, but isnt veterans day a federal holiday?

Most banks are open on any day that the Wall Street is open. That's why my husband doesn't have the day off.

I don't know why Wall Street doesn't take Veteran's Day off.
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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 10:03:31 AM »
Most banks are open on any day that the Wall Street is open. That's why my husband doesn't have the day off.

I don't know why Wall Street doesn't take Veteran's Day off.

wall street just deals with papal, i was thinking that most banks were closed. seeing how banks deal with federal property laws and whatnot it just shows they dont give 2 sh(ts about laws.

i dont know, wall st has no federal rights so its not the peoples problem, banks are open today in the usa to ignore observance days..

its real disrespectful to veterans.
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Re: This Veterans Day, U.S. Soldiers Say 'Stop the War'
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 10:06:30 AM »
wall street just deals with papal, i was thinking that most banks were closed. seeing how banks deal with federal property laws and whatnot it just shows they dont give 2 sh(ts about laws.

i dont know, wall st has no federal rights so its not the peoples problem, banks are open today in the usa to ignore observance days..

its real disrespectful to veterans.

It certainly is.

But then again, our country has an abysmal track record in caring for our veterans, not only in a moral and emotional sense, but even in basic financial and physical senses, too.
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The mortar shell that wrecked Chuck Luther's life exploded at the base of the guard tower. Luther heard the brief whistling, followed by a flash of fire, a plume of smoke and a deafening bang that shook the tower and threw him to the floor. The Army sergeant's head slammed against the concrete, and he lay there in the Iraqi heat, his nose leaking clear fluid.

"I remember laying there in a daze, looking around, trying to figure out where I was at," he says. "I was nauseous. My teeth hurt. My shoulder hurt. And my right ear was killing me." Luther picked himself up and finished his shift, then took some ibuprofen to dull the pain. The sergeant was seven months into his deployment at Camp Taji, in the volatile Sunni Triangle, twenty miles north of Baghdad. He was determined, he says, to complete his mission. But the short, muscular frame that had guided him to twenty-two honors--including three Army Achievement Medals and a Combat Action Badge--was basically broken. The shoulder pain persisted, and the hearing in his right ear, which evaporated on impact, never returned, replaced by the maddening hum of tinnitus.

Then came the headaches. "They'd start with a speckling in the corner of my vision, then grow worse and worse until finally the right eye would just shut down and go blank," he says. "The left one felt like someone was stabbing me over and over in the eye."

Doctors at Camp Taji's aid station told Luther he was faking his symptoms. When he insisted he wasn't, they presented a new diagnosis for his blindness: personality disorder.

"To be told that I was lying, that was a real smack in the face," says Luther. "Then when they said 'personality disorder,' I was really confused. I didn't understand how a problem with my personality could cause deafness or blindness or shoulder pain."

For three years The Nation has been reporting on military doctors' fraudulent use of personality disorder to discharge wounded soldiers [see Kors, "How Specialist Town Lost His Benefits," April 9, 2007]. PD is a severe mental illness that emerges during childhood and is listed in military regulations as a pre-existing condition, not a result of combat. Thus those who are discharged with PD are denied a lifetime of disability benefits, which the military is required to provide to soldiers wounded during service. Soldiers discharged with PD are also denied long-term medical care. And they have to give back a slice of their re-enlistment bonus. That amount is often larger than the soldier's final paycheck. As a result, on the day of their discharge, many injured vets learn that they owe the Army several thousand dollars.

According to figures from the Pentagon and a Harvard University study, the military is saving billions by discharging soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan with personality disorder.

In July 2007 the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs called a hearing to investigate PD discharges. Barack Obama, then a senator, put forward a bill to halt all PD discharges. And before leaving office, President Bush signed a law requiring the defense secretary to conduct his own investigation of the PD discharge system. But Obama's bill did not pass, and the Defense Department concluded that no soldiers had been wrongly discharged. The PD dismissals have continued. Since 2001 more than 22,600 soldiers have been discharged with personality disorder. That number includes soldiers who have served two and three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This should have been resolved during the Bush administration. And it should have been stopped now by the Obama administration," says Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense. "The fact that it hasn't is a national disgrace."

On Capitol Hill, the fight is not over. In October four senators wrote a letter to President Obama to underline their continuing concern over PD discharges. The president, almost three years after presenting his personality disorder bill, says he remains concerned as well.

Veterans' leaders say they're particularly disturbed by Luther's case because it highlights the severe consequences a soldier can face if he questions his diagnosis and opposes his PD discharge.

Luther insisted to doctors at Camp Taji that he did not have personality disorder, that the idea of developing a childhood mental illness at the age of 36, after passing eight psychological screenings, was ridiculous. The sergeant used a vivid expression to convey how much pain he was in. "I told them that some days, the pain was so bad, I felt like dying." Doctors declared him a suicide risk. They collected his shoelaces, his belt and his rifle and ordered him confined to an isolation chamber.

Extensive medical records written by Luther's doctors document his confinement in the aid station for more than a month. The sergeant was kept under twenty-four-hour guard. Most nights, he says, guards enforced sleep deprivation, keeping the lights on and blasting heavy metal music. When Luther rebelled, he was pinned down and injected with sleeping medication.

Eventually Luther was brought to his commander, who told him he had a choice: he could sign papers saying his medical problems stemmed from personality disorder or face more time in isolation.

'Every Night It Was Megadeth'

Luther entered the Army in 1988, following in the footsteps of his grandfathers, both decorated World War II veterans. In 2005, after Hurricane Katrina, he and his unit were deployed to New Orleans, where he helped evacuate residents and dispose of bodies left in the street. In 2006 he was deployed from Fort Hood in Texas to Camp Taji, where he performed reconnaissance with the First Squadron, Seventh Cavalry Regiment, led by Maj. Christopher Wehri. "Luther was older and more mature than most of the soldiers. He was forthcoming, very polite," says Wehri. "He seemed to have a good head on his shoulders."

Doctors at the aid station didn't see him that way. Following the May 2007 mortar attack, Luther entered the base's clinic and described his concussion symptoms to Capt. Aaron Dewees. Dewees, a pediatrician charged with caring for soldiers in the 1-7 Cavalry, grew suspicious of Luther's self-report. "It is my professional opinion," Dewees wrote in his medical records, "that Sgt. Charles F. Luther Jr. has been misrepresenting himself and his self-described medical conditions for secondary gain." The doctor suggested that Luther was faking his ailments to avoid reconnaissance duty. He called the sergeant "narcissistic" and said Luther's descriptions of his injuries were a mixture of "exaggeration and flat-out fabrication."

Luther's medical records document severe nosebleeds and "sharp and burning" pain. Still, the sergeant says he could sense that his doctors didn't believe him. It was at that point--frustrated, plagued by blinding migraines--that he spoke of pain so severe he wished he were dead. "I made clear that I was not going to kill myself, that it was just a colorful expression to explain how much pain I was in." Dewees agreed. In their records, Luther's doctors note a "suicide gesture" and "'off-handed' comments" that the sergeant was going to kill himself, but Dewees said those gestures were "unlikely to have been a serious attempt" at self-harm. Nonetheless, Dewees wrote, such statements "must be taken seriously and treated as such," that Luther "remains a threat to himself and others given his need for attention, narcissistic tendencies and impulsive behavior."

Luther was taken to an isolation chamber and told this was his new sleeping quarters. The room, which Luther captured on his digital camera, served as a walk-in closet. It was slightly larger than an Army cot and was crammed with cardboard boxes, a desk and a bedpan. Through a small, cracked window, he could look out onto the base. Through the open doorway, the sergeant was monitored by armed guards.

Both Dewees and Lt. Col. Larry Applewhite, an aid station social worker, declared Luther mentally ill, suffering from a personality disorder. The next step was to remove him from the military as fast as possible. "It is strongly recommended that Sgt. Luther be administratively separated via Chapter 5-13," wrote Applewhite, citing the official discharge code for personality disorder. In a separate statement, Dewees endorsed the 5-13 discharge and urged that it be handled rapidly. "I feel the safest course of action," he wrote, "is to expedite his departure from theater."

That didn't happen. For more than a month Luther remained in his six-by-eight-foot isolation chamber, weeks he describes as "the hardest of my life." He says the guards would ridicule him and most nights enforced sleep deprivation, keeping the lights on all night and using a nearby Xbox and TV speakers to blast heavy metal into his room. "Every night it was Megadeth, Saliva, Disturbed." The sergeant pulled a blanket over his head to block out the noise and the light, but it was no use.

"They told me I wasn't a real soldier, that I was a piece of crap. All I wanted was to be treated for my injuries. Now suddenly I'm not a soldier. I'm a prisoner, by my own people," says Luther, his voice tightening. "I felt like a caged animal in that room. That's when I started to lose it."

Isolated, exhausted, the sergeant who had been confined for being mentally ill says he began feeling exactly that. Finally Luther snapped. He stepped out of his room and was walking toward a senior official's office when an altercation broke out. In the ensuing scuffle, Luther bit one of his guards, then spit in the face of the aid station chaplain. The sergeant was pinned to the floor and injected with five milligrams of Haldol, an antipsychotic medication. Sedated, Luther was returned to isolation.

Staff Sgt. James Byington, who was serving at Camp Taji with the 1-7 Cavalry, walked the half-mile to the aid station to visit his fellow soldier. Byington says that off the battlefield, Sergeant Luther was "animated and peppy," the comedian of the chow hall. During combat, he says, Luther was focused and prepared, a key component in a farmland raid just outside Taji that discovered a cache of weapons and money. The man he found in the isolation chamber was neither the soldier nor the comedian, he says, but something altogether odd and decrepit. "He wasn't energetic like he used to be. He wasn't cutting jokes. Chuck's one of those guys that talks with his hands. You go into a room with twenty guys, and you're going to hear Chuck Luther," says Byington. "Now he seemed half-asleep. He looked worn out."

A few hours after Byington's visit, Luther was called to his commander's office. Major Wehri was frank. He held the personality disorder discharge papers in his hand. "And he said, 'Sign this paperwork, and we'll get you out.' I said, 'I don't have a personality disorder.' But it was like that didn't matter," says Luther. "He said, 'If you don't sign this, you're going to be here a lot longer.'"

The sergeant signed. "They had me broke down," he says. "At that point, I just wanted to get home." Luther's voice grows quiet as he recounts that final meeting. "I still remember Wehri's face," he says. "He was smiling."

Wehri confirms his statements to Luther. He says he pressed the sergeant to sign because he felt it was in Luther's best interest and in the best interest of the Army. The sergeant, he says, "had gotten so belligerent. If we had returned him to his unit, he would have been a danger to himself and to others. His behavior was not suitable to military service. And he wanted to get home. So I told him, 'If your goal is to get home, and we've diagnosed you with personality disorder, your fastest way is to sign the papers. If you don't sign, you're just subjecting yourself to further anguish and discomfort.'"

Wehri insists that his comments to Luther were not pivotal to the sergeant's discharge. Even without a soldier's signature, a PD dismissal can proceed. But the papers would then move to an Army lawyer, and the process would be delayed. "You can't force anyone to sign," he says. "But if you're going to be stubborn and not sign, try to play hardball, you run the risk of a dishonorable discharge. With Luther's biting and spitting, I could have court-martialed him out right there for failure to perform in a military manner."

The major says Luther's real story is that of a good soldier who came home for leave, saw his wife's new haircut and slimmed figure and was driven mad by fears of her infidelity. "When he came back to Iraq, something had changed. He had a negative attitude. He wouldn't respond to direct orders. His head wasn't in the game." Wehri says it became clear to him that Luther was intent on returning home right away, a realization that left him disappointed but not shocked. "Soldiers are conniving," he says. "They are manipulative. If they get in their minds they want to do something for personal gain, including going home, they'll go to any lengths to get it."

Wehri rejects the idea that the mortar attack and subsequent concussion could have triggered Luther's woes. "That mortar attack was nothing," he says. "Insignificant. Maybe he fell down. Sure. I've fallen down lots of times." The major wonders aloud whether Luther is using that injury to justify his instability. He says if he thought the attack was significant, he would have investigated it fully and gotten the ball rolling for a Purple Heart.

The major confirms that Luther was confined to the aid station for several weeks and that his room was minuscule. But he says those circumstances were unavoidable. "Discharging a soldier with personality disorder is a very long and drawn-out process," he says. "And Luther was a danger to himself and others. He needed to be watched. The aid station, that's where they had 24-7 supervision."

Wehri says he marvels at the idea that Luther could be a poster child for false personality disorder discharges. He has seen seven personality disorder cases in his career, he says. "And Chuck Luther was by far the clearest one." The major says that when Luther's troubles began, the sergeant's behavior confounded him. Then, says Wehri, he heard from a commander who said Luther's family had spoken with him and revealed that Luther had suffered from psychiatric problems before entering the military and had been treated with medication. "Then suddenly it made sense to me," says Wehri. "This was not new. His symptoms were just popping up now, after he'd kept a lid on them for many years. It all clicked into place."

But Luther's wife and his mother say that story is flatly false. Both say they never had such a conversation with an Army commander and are emphatic that the sergeant never faced any psychiatric problems before entering the military. "Hearing that makes me really angry," says Luther's mother, Barbara Guignard. "Chuck was an all-American boy. He never took any medication, and he never had a problem."

How Dewees and Applewhite came to the conclusion that Luther was suffering from a pre-existing mental illness remains unclear. They declined to elaborate on their notes or discuss the diagnosis of personality disorder in general. What is clear is that neither Dewees nor Applewhite spoke with Luther's family before determining that his problems existed before his military service. The sergeant's wife and his mother say that had they been asked, both could have provided key information demonstrating Luther's stability and health before the mortar attack.

Spc. Angel Sandoval says he could have helped as well. Sandoval, who was stationed at Camp Taji and served under Luther in the 1-7 Cavalry, laughs at the idea that the sergeant was mentally ill. "Chuck was a lot more than 'not mentally ill,'" he says. "He saved my life." Sandoval describes heading into combat under Luther's command. The specialist was ready to dump his side-SAPIs, large ceramic plates that strap to the side of a bulletproof vest, protecting the kidneys from machine-gun fire. "They're bulky and kinda heavy, but he said, 'No way, you have to wear them,'" says Sandoval. "Two days later I got shot right there, under my arm. It could have killed me."

Luther, he says, was "one of the greatest leaders I had. He never steered me wrong. If they thought he was ill and needed medical help, they should have given it to him instead of kicking him out of the Army."

But it was Wehri and Applewhite's view that mattered. Soon after signing the personality disorder papers, Luther was placed in a DC-10 and whisked back to Fort Hood. There he would learn about Chapter 5-13's fine print: he was ineligible for disability benefits, since his condition was pre-existing. He would not be receiving the lifetime of medical care given to severely wounded soldiers. And because he did not complete his contract, he would have to return a slice of his signing bonus.

At the base, a Fort Hood discharge specialist laid out the details. "He said I now owed the Army $1,500. And if I did not pay, they'd garnish my wages and assess interest on my debt," Luther says.

Luther was then released into a pelting Texas rain. He called his wife, Nicki, to pick him up. "When I got to Fort Hood he was in the parking lot, alone, wet, sitting on his duffel bag," Nicki recalls. "He had lost a lot of weight. He looked like...a little boy. I remember thinking, My God, what have they done to my husband?"

The President 'Continues to Be Concerned'

Luther's case is not an isolated incident. In the past three years, The Nation has uncovered more than two dozen cases like his from bases across the country. All the soldiers were examined, deemed physically and psychologically fit, then welcomed into the military. All performed honorably before being wounded during service. None had a documented history of psychological problems. Yet after seeking treatment for their wounds, each soldier was diagnosed with a pre-existing personality disorder, then discharged and denied benefits....

http://www.thenation.com/article/disposable-soldiers

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I bet they can't wait until they get their Clone Army - or better yet, machines - to do their fighting for them.  Then they won't even have to pretend to give a shit about the soldiers.  Just toss 'em out when you're done with 'em.
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140k vets in prison on Veterans Day, 107k vets homeless, 2.5M on food stamps... and the elites think it's f**king hilarious while they enjoy the fruits of the earth off of the backs of our dead sons and daughters!  I have/had relatives who served in 'Nam and WWII and they were really f**ked up from it.  The VA is a disaster, but yet all of the defense money goes to Israel, Raytheon, Boeing, GE, BoozAllen, etc. while the poor conned vets wave their gold-fringed flag.   Notice how the establishment refers to dead soldiers as "sacrifices".  Yeah, because the elite sacrificed soldiers' souls to Lucifer.  We're just a bunch of pawns on their f**king "Grand Chessboard" as reptilian-looking Zbig calls it.

That's why I never joined the f**king military.  Even before I even knew about the NWO, global governance, left-right paradigm, and all of that crap, I knew the military was bulls**t.  The Mexican border is wide f**king open, there is horrible crimes all over the streets of central Phoenix, and the Pentagon is worried about "stability" in countries thousands of miles away on the other side of a vast ocean.  I remember that 2pac song that goes "They got money for war, but can't feed the poor", and that other 2pac song "there's more war on our streets, than in the middle east!"

I remember all the propaganda, about how the troops fight for our "freedom", and i used to laugh (and still laugh) at that BS because everyone I knew had folks who worked 2 dead end part time jobs just to pay the rent and the bus fare/car note.  There ain't no f**king freedom, we're all slaves to f**king banksters.  Fighting the Nazis in WWII, and fighting the "commies" in the Cold War almost seems like a waste of time, because now we have TSA perverts  molesting women and children, and we have treasonous pieces of s**t cops and military setting up checkpoints all over the place.

I'm just glad that there are some Oathkeepers out there, who still give a s**t about the Constitution.

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  I am one of those lucky vets that is not in prison yet.  We moved from the Union of Socialist Counties of IOWA last month.  We are now in Montana--one of the last great states.  No sales tax and they seem to treat the vets well here--a nice hospital near the capital (Helena).  Montana still has "vigilante"  groups running around and the other day, the State of Montana said that gay and lesbian "couples" have no special rights.  In Iowa the Supreme Court said that the homosexuals said they have special rights BUT THE PEOPLE FINALLY WOKE UP AND VOTED 3 OF THE SUPREME COURT JUDGES OUT ON NOVEMBER 2ND.  They are now jobless but they will never be homeless.

  Our community is having a dinner for all of us veterans tonight.

  We all need to keep fighting the NWO at every level. 
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  I am one of those lucky vets that is not in prison yet.  We moved from the Union of Socialist Counties of IOWA last month.  We are now in Montana--one of the last great states.  No sales tax and they seem to treat the vets well here--a nice hospital near the capital (Helena).  Montana still has "vigilante"  groups running around and the other day, the State of Montana said that gay and lesbian "couples" have no special rights.  In Iowa the Supreme Court said that the homosexuals said they have special rights BUT THE PEOPLE FINALLY WOKE UP AND VOTED 3 OF THE SUPREME COURT JUDGES OUT ON NOVEMBER 2ND.  They are now jobless but they will never be homeless.

  Our community is having a dinner for all of us veterans tonight.

  We all need to keep fighting the NWO at every level. 
          I lived and worked in South America for some time & Currently in Brazil.
 Brazil, any veteran who has served in a war receives full pay for life and compensation  for dependents.
 No beurocracy, no games, no bending over. If you put your life on the line you receive for life.
 I assume they beleive that a citizen who served his country is entitled to his country doing the same for him.
         Veterans rights were fought for. 1930's, veterans of WW I, gathered in Washington, with familys to protest the fact they did not receive their promised bonus payment for the Ol Gov. ( the trench wars were slaughter houses).
 Our pols (Hoover) grew tired of the pizzed off peons cluttering up their streets & malls and sent in Mcarther and Patton along with a battalion of infantry to get rid of the vets, bloodshed followed.
           You can bet -These medics (doctors) who evaluate the troops with PD are obeying orders.         
                   
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And these fools will rip your throat out if they here you say anything bad about the government, the flag, or the military.

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It wasn't uncommon for me to encounter military veterans on the street when I was homeless, unfortunately the majority wouldn't listen to what I had to say.

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TO ALL YOU VETERANS, HAPPY VETERANS DAY
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 03:21:57 PM »

 STILL ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I HAVE EVER DONE.

    I served at FT HOOD,TX.

    1ST CAVALRY DIVISION

    15TH MEDICAL BATTALION



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Re: TO ALL YOU VETERANS, HAPPY VETERANS DAY
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 03:25:05 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/11/10/veterans-freebies-military-free-meals/3469207/


Vets can rake in freebies all day and all night

Savvy vets and active military can eat their way for free through Veterans Day this year.



Vets and active military can spend the entire day and night getting all kinds of freebies
Free breakfast, lunch and dinner on Veterans Day is easy to find for vets
There are other free services, too, even massages

You served your country. On Veterans Day, if you play your cards right, it's going to serve you right back — on the house.

From the moment you wake up until you hit the hay, Veterans Day is Freebie Day. But you've got to plan.

Sure, there are a few catches — and most require proof of military service. (You need to check company websites for the fine print.) But if you're a vet or active military, you might plan out a Freebie Monday that goes something like this:

• You wake up hungry.Head over to Denny's for all-you-can-eat stacks of buttermilk pancakes. But you've got to pay up for anything else you get.

•You're feeling scruffy. Great Clips has you covered. Vets can walk in on Monday — with no appointment — and get free haircuts. If you don't have the time Monday, or just got a buzz cut, you can still snatch a rain check for a freebie haircut.

• You yearn for the outdoors. Check out any of the nation's 100 national parks. All parks with admission fees are waiving them for vets over the three-day weekend.

• You're ready for lunch — with pizzazz. You might try Hooters, which offers vets free meals to $10.99 — as long as you buy a beverage. And, ah, no charge for the ambience.

• You're stressed from lunch. Participating Massage Envy shops in Washington, D.C.; Maryland; and Northern Virginia region offer a free, one-hour massage (worth $49) to active military and veterans. Appointments are mandatory. A standard 20% tip (about $10) will be expected — but not required. No rain checks.

• You savor an afternoon snack.If the snack you're lusting for is pizza, California Pizza Kitchen will serve vets any pizza on its menu for free — even The Works.

• You need financial advice. Vets get free access on Monday to a Kiplinger's and Wells Fargo-sponsored online tool — valued at $49.95 — that helps vets create a personalized strategy to boost Social Security benefits. Instructions at www.SocialSecurityforVeterans.com.

• You're hankering for dinner. Golden Corral rolls out a free buffet dinner and free beverage to active-duty and retired military.
Or head to Applebee's: Veterans and Active Duty Military get a FREE Signature Entrée. Veterans will be given a selected menu to choose from and must have proof of military service
And Olive Garden: Veterans and current service members get a free meal from a special menu.
Chili's: Free entree for veterans and active military personnel, dine in only. Beverage and tip not included. Show military identification.

•You desire dessert. Participating Krispy Kreme stores will feed a veteran's sweet tooth with a free doughnut and small coffee.

• You're getting sleepy. OK, this one's not on the house. But Red Roof Inn is offering 15% off at more than 350 properties nationwide all November to vets, active-duty military and their families.

•You've still got the munchies. Red Robin has got the cure: a free Tavern Double burger — served, of course, with bottomless fries.

• You don't want the day to end.You might cap it off with a caffeinated salute at Starbucks, which will pour a free, tall brewed coffee to vets and active military — and their spouses.
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Re: TO ALL YOU VETERANS, HAPPY VETERANS DAY
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2013, 12:01:29 PM »
STILL ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I HAVE EVER DONE.

    I served at FT HOOD,TX.

    1ST CAVALRY DIVISION

    15TH MEDICAL BATTALION




Thank You for Your Service Doc. and to all the Veterans---a Man or Woman will Serve With Pride When Their Heart is in the mission. No Wars are good : but some serve a MISSION!
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Re: TO ALL YOU VETERANS, HAPPY VETERANS DAY
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2013, 02:34:21 PM »
 Hi Larson..
               I'm at a loss of words. I guess I would be more animated had we truly served for the ideals we were raised with rather than a gang of Political shiitbags and their mateys on the sukstraw.
             
 (That said )......., your a friend and a brother.. Bless your heart. 
 
   

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2013, 04:38:10 PM »
Remember folks (VETS) it is really going to be up to us when the hammer falls so remember that freedom isn't free and to be prepared.

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2013, 05:34:41 PM »
Hi Larson..
               I'm at a loss of words. I guess I would be more animated had we truly served for the ideals we were raised with rather than a gang of Political shiitbags and their mateys on the sukstraw.
             
 (That said )......., your a friend and a brother.. Bless your heart. 
 
   

  Hi Chris,  We just watched PATTON the other day.  He was a true leader.  His men loved him.  He didn't get along with Eisenhower.  Eisenhower's main goal was to be president some day.  Eisenhower let a lot of people die after the war.  PATTON WANTED TO MARCH INTO RUSSIA.   HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO--THEREFORE WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM AFTER THE WAR.  THERE WAS THE COLD WAR UNTIL REAGAN TORE THE WALL DOWN. Even though, they portrayed Patton as a none stop cusser in the movie, he was a Christian man.  I like Patton because he was a no nonsense guy---he got things done. Patton died in a car wreck in 1945 at the age of 60.  SOME SAY THAT EISENHOWER WAS BEHIND THE "WRECK".

  If things were like they are today, I would have never served.  Hiel Hagel wants TO CUT MILITARY PAY---WHAT JERKS!!!!

http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

Eisenhower's Holocaust - His
Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans



"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944)
 
First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.
 
It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.
 
You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.
 
No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can't do this to us! There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with no shelter from the cold, biting rain.
 
Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.
 
Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General Dwight David Eisenhower.
 
One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific in the language of those orders was this statement,
 
"Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts."
 
Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.
 
Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible.
 
Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.
 
Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2013, 05:35:32 PM »
Thank You for Your Service Doc. and to all the Veterans---a Man or Woman will Serve With Pride When Their Heart is in the mission. No Wars are good : but some serve a MISSION!

  Thanks iamc2.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2013, 05:38:07 PM »
Remember folks (VETS) it is really going to be up to us when the hammer falls so remember that freedom isn't free and to be prepared.

  Well the big drill is this week---Nov 13 and 14. 

  See the stickied thread above.

  The Veterans will be ready.  We have some fine people (non-vets) also up here in MT that believe in FREEDOM.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2013, 06:52:29 PM »
My thanks to all vets,  God bless you all.  Who knows if things keep as they are this patriot will stand with ya in our 2nd war for independence.  Take care.
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2013, 09:02:35 PM »
  Thanks iamc2.
You are VERY WELCOME Doc  ;)---but: we have one more battle and I am glad you will be on our side--peace my friend; and May GOD always Bless you and your Clan---AMEN--
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Happy Veterans Day
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2014, 11:48:10 AM »
Thread for and about the History of Veterans Day and Veterans TODAY ....
Before 9/11 there was 11/11


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/11/11-11-11-mystical-meaning-armistice-day

11/11/11: mystical meaning or simply Armistice Day?

... the 11th day of the 11th month of the 11th year. Photograph: Cate Gillon/Getty Images

http://www.va.gov/opa/vetsday/vetdayhistory.asp

History of Veterans Day
 
World War I – known at the time as “The Great War” - officially ended when the Treaty of Versailles was signed on June 28, 1919, in the Palace of Versailles outside the town of Versailles, France. However, fighting ceased seven months earlier when an armistice, or temporary cessation of hostilities, between the Allied nations and Germany went into effect on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

For that reason, November 11, 1918, is generally regarded as the end of “the war to end all wars.”
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In November 1919, President Wilson proclaimed November 11 as the first commemoration of Armistice Day with the following words:

"To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country’s service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of the nations…"

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An Act (52 Stat. 351; 5 U. S. Code, Sec. 87a) approved May 13, 1938, made the 11th of November in each year a legal holiday—a day to be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated and known as "Armistice Day."

Armistice Day was primarily a day set aside to honor veterans of World War I, but in 1954, after World War II had required the greatest mobilization of soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen in the Nation’s history; after American forces had fought aggression in Korea, the 83rd Congress, at the urging of the veterans service organizations, amended the Act of 1938 by striking out the word "Armistice" and inserting in its place the word "Veterans."

With the approval of this legislation (Public Law 380) on June 1, 1954, November 11th became a day to honor American veterans of all wars.

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President Eisenhower signing HR7786, changing Armistice Day to Veterans Day.
From left: Alvin J. King, Wayne Richards, Arthur J. Connell, John T. Nation, Edward Rees, Richard L. Trombla, Howard W. Watts

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The Uniform Holiday Bill (Public Law 90-363 (82 Stat. 250)) was signed on June 28, 1968, and was intended to ensure three-day weekends for Federal employees by celebrating four national holidays on Mondays: Washington's Birthday, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Columbus Day. It was thought that these extended weekends would encourage travel, recreational and cultural activities and stimulate greater industrial and commercial production. Many states did not agree with this decision and continued to celebrate the holidays on their original dates.

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Veterans Day continues to be observed on November 11, regardless of what day of the week on which it falls. The restoration of the observance of Veterans Day to November 11 not only preserves the historical significance of the date, but helps focus attention on the important purpose of Veterans Day:

A celebration to honor America's veterans for their patriotism, love of country, and willingness to serve and sacrifice for the common good.



http://gossipsofrivertown.blogspot.com/2013/11/ninety-five-years-ago-today.html




The photograph is from the archives of the New York Daily News and shows "the first 'unofficial' celebration of Armistice Day" in New York City, which took place on Fifth Avenue and 34th Street on November 11, 1918.

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Related: 1918 Spanish (Swine) Flu Pan-Epidemic 1918 (One reason for the "end" of WWI was that it was mission complete with the Pandemic



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Re: Happy Veterans Day
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2014, 12:01:46 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSC1lbfXfRQ
PBS Documentary: The March of the Bonus Army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91huA98Q8s
VETERANS MARCH ON WASHINGTON, DC 1932

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/11/142224795/the-bonus-army-how-a-protest-led-to-the-gi-bill
The Bonus Army: How A Protest Led To The GI Bill
November 11, 2011 3:55 PM ET



In 1932, a group of WWI veterans in Portland, Ore., rallied the Bonus Army to Washington to lobby for early payment of their promised bonuses. They set up camp along the Anacostia River that May. But by July, officials lost patience and went into the camp to evict the marchers. It turned violent. A soldier torched a tent, and the Army began torching everything still standing.

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In 1932, another group of protesters set up encampments and vowed to stay until their voices were heard.

The Bonus Army

As World War I drew to a close in 1918, millions of American veterans returned home to the promise of a cash bonus — compensation for their overseas service.

There was a catch, though: The money would not be paid out until 1945.

Then, the Great Depression struck. Millions of Americans were left hungry and homeless. Veterans of the war were desperate for relief.

So in 1932, a group of veterans in Portland, Ore., led by a man named Walter Waters, decided to go to Washington to lobby for early payment of their promised bonus


They went down to the railroad yards, with a bugle and an American flag, and hopped onto freight trains. They called themselves the Bonus Army.

As they moved eastward, their idea caught on. Radio stations and newspapers began to pick up the story. Veterans from all over the country began jumping on freight trains, heading for the capital.

Tom Allen, co-author of The Bonus Army: An American Epic, says the movement "was a magnet for the veterans and their families who had nothing.

"Suddenly, out of the whole Depression, comes guys doing something," he says. "There was hope there. They have a mission, they have a destination — and it's called Washington, D.C."
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On July 13, 1932, Brig. Gen. Pelham D. Glassford, superintendent of the Washington, D.C., police, asked a group of war veterans on the Capitol grounds to raise their hands if they had served in France and were 100 percent American
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On July 28, officials sent in the Washington police to evict the marchers. The action was peaceful, until someone threw a brick, the police reacted with force, and two bonus marchers were shot.

The situation quickly spiraled out of control, and the Hoover administration sent in the Army, led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

At the time, Blacher was standing on the corner waiting for a trolley. All of a sudden, he says he saw cavalrymen coming up the avenue toward the National Mall.

"The horses were so beautiful, I thought it was a parade," he remembers. "I asked a gentleman standing there, 'Do you know what's going on? What holiday is this?' He says, 'It's no parade, bud. Army's coming in to wipe out all these bonus people down here.' "

A newsreel called it the greatest concentration of fighting troops in Washington since 1865.

"These guys start waving their sabers, chasing these veterans out," Blacher says. "And then they start shooting tear gas. There was so much noise and confusion, hollering. There was smoke and haze. People couldn't breathe."

As night began to fall, the Army crossed into the Anacostia camp. MacArthur gave the marchers 20 minutes to vacate. Thousands of veterans and their families fled. A soldier took a torch and ignited one of the tents. And the Army began torching everything that was still standing.

John diJoseph was a wire service photographer in Washington. He remembers the night they burned everything.

"The sky was red," he says. "You could see the blaze all over Washington."

Within a week, the images of that night were all over the country. In every little town, people watched the newsreels, and they saw the tanks in the street, the tear gas, and MacArthur driving out the troops that had won the first World War.

"The reaction to it was, we can't let that happen again," author Tom Allen says.

Four years later, the WWI vets received their bonuses. And in 1944, Congress passed the GI Bill to help military veterans transition to civilian life, and to acknowledge the debt owed to those who risk their lives for their country.
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Re: Happy Veterans Day
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2014, 01:42:19 PM »
Interesting  - "A Separate Peace" with Germany 1921 ... Chatham House/CFR created ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93German_Peace_Treaty_(1921)
U.S.–German Peace Treaty (1921)

 The U.S.—German Peace Treaty is a peace treaty between the U.S. and German governments, signed in Berlin on August 25, 1921, in the aftermath of World War I. The main reason for the conclusion of that treaty was the fact that the U.S. Senate did not ratify the multilateral peace treaty signed in Versailles, thus leading to a separate peace treaty. Ratifications were exchanged in Berlin on November 11, 1921, and the treaty became effective on the same day. The treaty was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on August 12, 1922

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see:
Woodrow Wilson and Colonel House: A Personality Study  By Alexander L. George, Juliette L. George

http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/house.htm
Edward Mandell House (1858-1938), self-styled "Colonel" House (colonel in nickname only) served as President Woodrow Wilson's closest confidant during the four years of the First World War.
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.. embracing the Allied cause, House courted potential personal and political disaster during his second visit to Europe in January-March 1916.  There, he met and agreed with the British Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey in February 1916 what amounted to an ultimatum to Germany: submit to American mediation on pain of U.S. military intervention.

Such an approach went far beyond anything that Wilson himself would have considered.  However, House was spared from a likely breach with Wilson when the British government itself disavowed the agreement (commonly known as the House-Grey Memorandum).

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After his "stroke" Wilson was controlled by Col. House and Wilsons wife ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/02/AR2007020201698.html
A President's Illness Kept Under Wraps
 
Newly revealed documents show how Wilson's inner circle, including physician Grayson, right, tried to conceal his poor health, which preceded a major stroke in 1919. The 28th president was debilitated for the rest of his term.

Newly revealed documents show how Wilson's inner circle, including physician Grayson, right, tried to conceal his poor health, which preceded a major stroke in 1919. The 28th president was debilitated for the rest of his term.  (Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library) 

By Michael Alison Chandler
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Saturday, February 3, 2007
 
STAUNTON, Va. While U.S. troops were fighting in World War I in the summer of 1918, President Woodrow Wilson underwent treatment for a breathing problem in a hushed episode that foreshadowed worse health troubles to come.

The White House doctor, Cary T. Grayson, later recounted the incident to his wife in one of a slew of newly public documents that show how far Wilson's innermost circle went to conceal his frail condition amid major world events.

" The patient is progressing most satisfactorily, so far, and I have good reasons to hope for a most beneficial result. It has been a big undertaking. . . . No one knows anything about it except Miss E., Miss Harkins, Hoover -- It is one secret that has been kept quiet, so far, and I think it is safe all right now," the doctor wrote Alice Grayson in a July 16 telegram.

The episode, which caused Grayson great anxiety, most likely involved an operation to remove polyps from the president's nose, according to Michael Dickens, a Charlottesville physician familiar with Wilson's medical history and the telegram. Historians say the telegram indicates that the procedure was then known only to Grayson; the president's wife, Edith Wilson; a nurse; and a White House usher.

Grayson's account was revealed to the public recently through a cache of personal files his family donated to the Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library here in the Shenandoah Valley. The letters, photographs and other documents had been stored for decades at a family home in Fauquier County.

The papers offer new insight into the 28th president's fragile health and how those around him tried to keep it quiet. Although historians have known for years about Wilson's debilitating stroke in late 1919 and his poor health beforehand, including previous possible strokes, the estimated 10,000 documents in the Grayson collection offer fresh and intimate details about the president's mental and physical condition from a man whom several Wilson biographers call an extraordinary eyewitness: his personal physician.


"He literally had his finger on the pulse of the president," said historian A. Scott Berg, who has been studying the Grayson papers for a forthcoming Wilson biography. "Dr. Grayson enjoyed a unique position in Woodrow Wilson's life as both his personal physician and a personal friend."

The Grayson documents are the first major donation to the eight - year-old Wilson library, which unveiled them in late December on C-SPAN. The documents are drawing historians to this city two hours southwest of the Washington area where Wilson was born to a Presbyterian minister and his wife 150 years ago. Researchers say about 15 percent of the documents have been explored so far.

Grayson, born in Culpeper County in 1878 to a well-connected Virginia family, was a naval surgeon who rose to the rank of rear admiral.

At the family home in Upperville, Cary T. Grayson Jr. is surrounded by black-and-white photos of his father in an impeccable Navy uniform posing with his "number one patient," as the elder Grayson sometimes called the president. The younger Grayson, now 87, lives there with his wife, Priscilla. He said the papers reveal that the doctor-patient relationship was about much more than health.

In the doctor's weekly planners, now at the library, Grayson chronicled frequent golf games, automobile rides and nights of theater with the president. From inauguration day in 1913, when they met, to the Sunday morning in February 1924 when Wilson died, Grayson was an almost constant companion. He stayed often at the White House, traveled with Wilson to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 and was one of a few people who saw him regularly after his stroke that October.

The stroke was a turning point for Wilson's presidency and, many argue, the world. Wilson collapsed Oct. 2 in the White House after a national tour seeking support for the Treaty of Versailles and America's entrance into the League of Nations. He went into seclusion for the remainder of his presidency. The treaty he had so strongly championed was rejected by the Senate in March 1920.
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Re: Happy Veterans Day
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WWI HAD to be financed (borrowed) by the creation of the Federal Reserve Act ... Which was signed by Prez Wilson before WWI started ...  There was a plan for WWI MANY years before WWI "happened"

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1908_1928USb_16s2li111lcn_F0t


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cfr_04.htm

The way the CFR works is clearly explained by the famous journalist Walter Lippmann. Lippmann was a member of the mysterious  Round Table   Group; editor of the publication THE NEW REPUBLIC; member of America’s first intelligence organization the INQUIRY; the official interpreter of the meaning of Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points to the British Government; attended the Paris Peace Conference after World War I; and a Council on Foreign Relations founding father.1
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The Council on Foreign Relations was formally established in Paris in 1919 along with its British Counterpart the Royal Institute of International Affairs. The Council on Foreign Relations and Royal Institute of International Affairs can trace their roots back to Rhodes secret society. Rhodes became fabulously wealthy by exploiting the people of South Africa. Rhodes is the father of Apartheid.

 Many American members were American intelligence officers that belonged to the first American Intelligence Agency -- THE INQUIRY. Many British members were British Intelligence Agents. THE INQUIRY and its members, who included such notable Americans as Col. Edward Mandel House, Walter Lippmann, Isaiah Bowman, and James Shotwell, wrote most of Woodrow Wilson’s 14 points.

The INQUIRY members attended the Paris Peace conference and traded off most of the Fourteen Points to establish the League of Nations. Wilson was so disturbed by the INQUIRY’s betrayal he suffered a stroke and physical collapse and refused to speak to his influential advisor INQUIRY member Edward House ever again. The American people refused to join the League of Nations, because they did not want to belong to an organization that could force America to go to war and whose intent was to be an international police force.

Col. House was an active member of the American Round Table Branch before becoming a Council on Foreign Relations founding father. House would play a key role in establishing a Graduated Income tax and the Federal Reserve System.
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On March 13, 1907 a financial panic was triggered by rumors that the Knickerbocker Bank, and The Trust Company of America were about to become insolvent. The rumors were started by the House of Morgan. There was a run on the banks. Morgan helped to avert the panic he helped to create. Morgan imported $100 million worth of gold from Europe to stop the run on the banks. This exercise was a Round Table psycho-political operation. It provided America with the perception and rationalization that what the United States needed was a central banking system.9

 The Senate created the National Monetary Commission to study the problem. Senator Nelson Aldrich (John D. Rockefeller’s father-in-law) headed the commission. To investigate the matter the Commission toured the continent of Europe to study the European central banking system. Aldrich didn’t have any banking experience. It took nearly two years and $300,000 of tax-payer money to wine and dine the men of the European central banking system before the committee was able to complete their study. Towards the end of 1910, a group of men held a secretive meeting on Jekyll Island, Georgia. 10

 The purpose of the 1910 Jekyll Island meeting was to write the final recommendations for the National Monetary Commission report. Senator Aldrich arranged the meeting. The men who attended included: 

• Henry P. Davison (House of Morgan - J.P. Morgan and Co.)
• Benjamin Strong (House of Morgan - Bankers Trust Co.)
• Frank A. Vanderlip (House of Rockefeller - National City Bank )
• A. Piatt Andres (Assistant Secretary of the Treasury)
• Paul Warburg ( House of Warburg and House of Khun-Lobe & Co.)

According to the memoirs of Frank Vanderlip, 

"Despite my views about the value to society of greater publicity for the affairs of corporations, there was an occasion, near the close of 1910, when I was as secretive - indeed as furtive - as any conspirator... I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System." 

Congress acted on the report and created the Federal Reserve act which President Woodrow Wilson signed on 23 December 1913. 11

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Wealth Disparities in U.S. Approaching 1920's Levels

One bit I'd like to get into is the WWI war loans made by the U.S. Treasury and the FEDRES was needed to make those loans.

These [loans] were made possible by the FIAT federal reserve system which had just been started in 1913. Without it the loans could not have been made. Rockefeller and Rothschild could loan via the Fed (which they owned) on MARGIN. Then they bought up the Treasury bonds and were paid 5 percent .

The loans were never paid back, but Rockefeller/Rothschild/Morgan got paid principal and 5 percent, and the Fed made a percentage too. 

Reproduced below is the speech recorded by the industrialist and philanthropist John D. Rockefeller, Jr. in 1917 entitled Fundraising. -  one of America's most vilified business figures for a period in the early years of the 20th century - threw his weight behind government efforts to fund America's military participation in World War One.  To this end Rockefeller spoke in favour of the United War Work campaign  

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Do you want to see the flower of the manhood of this country, which has brought everlasting glory to our nation, neglected in the hour of its greatest need, and afraid to face temptation?  Then withhold your contribution to this fund.

Or do you want to see a chapter of moral victory and prowess as superb and as glorious as that of the victories of arms which have already been achieved, added to the annals of the history of this country, and high standards of morality maintained and perpetuated by our sons and brothers in the days to come?



Doesn't this sound familiar to our current situation? Fed printing money while the banker's are made whole with interest?

One could say that the WWI U.S. Loans Default, in-directly led to the Great Depression in 1929....

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3401804606.html

WORLD WAR I WAR DEBTS. During and immediately after World War I, America's cobelligerents borrowed some $10.350 billion ($184.334 billion in 2002 dollars) from the U.S. Treasury.

These funds were used mainly to finance payments due the United States for munitions, foodstuffs, cotton, other war-related purchases, and stabilization of exchange. Of that sum, $7.077 billion represented cash loans extended prior to the armistice; $2.533 billion was advanced to finance reconstruction after the armistice; and postarmistice relief supplies and liquidated war stocks amounted to an additional $740 million. Total foreign indebtedness—including interest due before funding of the original demand obligations but excluding loans to Czarist Russia, for which no hope of collection remained—came to $11.577 billion ($206.186 billion in 2002 dollars).

In turn, the U.S. government borrowed from its own citizens, mostly through Liberty Bonds paying 5 percent interest.

During the period of economic disorganization in Europe following the termination of hostilities, the administration of Woodrow Wilson agreed to grant the debtor nations a three-year postponement of interest payments. But it indicated that eventually the debtors would be required to repay the loans.

In February 1922 Congress created the World War Foreign Debt Commission, on which representatives of the House and Senate flanked the secretaries of state, commerce, and the Treasury. Congress directed the debt commission to seek funding arrangements providing for amortization of principal within twenty-five years and an interest rate of not less than 4.25 percent.

Disregarding this limitation on its mandate, the commission managed to reach agreement with thirteen European debtor nations before its five-year term expired. The settlements all provided for repayment of principal over sixty-two years. Assuming that the debtors would continue to pay for sixty-two years, the settlements as a whole were equivalent to cancellation of 51.3 percent of what could have been required on a 5-percent basis. Actually, those who drafted the agreements did not expect them to continue in force much beyond a generation, so that the true percentage of the debt forgiven was appreciably larger.

Nevertheless, the governments of the four principal debtor nations—Great Britain, France, Italy, and Belgium—believed that the debts should have been canceled altogether as the American contribution to a common struggle. They settled most unwillingly—Great Britain, to avoid losing its own standing as a creditor nation and banking center, and the Continental countries, to avoid being barred from access to American capital markets.

In 1931 the Hoover Moratorium provided for temporary cessation of all intergovernmental transfers to cope with the international banking crisis that accompanied the Great Depression. After the moratorium expired, the debtors found various excuses not to resume regular payments. By 1934 every European nation except Finland had defaulted. Congress expressed its displeasure in April 1934 by passing the Johnson Debt Default Act, effectively prohibiting defaulting governments from further borrowing in American markets for several crucial years.

American policy planners later drew an opposite lesson. During World War II and its aftermath, they extended credits under Lend-Lease and the Marshall Plan without expecting integral reimbursement.

http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/U.S._Policy_on_War_Loans_to_Belligerents
Washington, August 10, 1914

My Dear Mr. President:

I beg to communicate to you an important matter which has come before the Department. Morgan Company of New York have asked whether there would be any objection to their making a loan to the French Government and also the Rothschilds -- I suppose that is intended for the French Government. I have conferred with Mr. Lansing and he knows of no legal objection to financing this loan, but I have suggested to him the advisability of presenting to you an aspect of the case which is not legal but I believe to be consistent with our attitude in international matters. It is whether it would be advisable for this Government to take the position that it will not approve of any loan to a belligerent nation. ...


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More about the WWI budget:

WWI finally over
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8029948/First-World-War-officially-ends.html
Germany pays off her Reparations for World War one. 28 Sep 2010 
 

I find this very interesting. The debt to the U.S. was written off (when the "allies" could not collect from Germany). 

I document this in Wealth Disparities in U.S. Approaching 1920's Levels .

The U.S. put out 10 billion (in 1920 dollars) in loans to the "allies" which were never paid back. Rockefeller/Rothschild bought the treasuries "bonds" and were paid back with interest.  The U.S. spent another 10 Billion on the war. So about 20 Billion total which can be seen in the U.S. Budget in 1918

The federal budget up until 1918 was below 2.5 Billion Dollars
See: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1917_0.html#usgs302  2.3 Billion in 1917 ,
13 Billion in 1918  , 18 billion 1919 , 6 billion 1920

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3401804606.html
WORLD WAR I WAR DEBTS. During and immediately after World War I, America's cobelligerents borrowed some $10.350 billion ($184.334 billion in 2002 dollars) from the U.S. Treasury.

These funds were used mainly to finance payments due the United States for munitions, foodstuffs, cotton, other war-related purchases, and stabilization of exchange. Of that sum, $7.077 billion represented cash loans extended prior to the armistice; $2.533 billion was advanced to finance reconstruction after the armistice; and postarmistice relief supplies and liquidated war stocks amounted to an additional $740 million. Total foreign indebtedness—including interest due before funding of the original demand obligations but excluding loans to Czarist Russia, for which no hope of collection remained—came to $11.577 billion ($206.186 billion in 2002 dollars).
 
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1514.html
Hoover Moratorium
A final effort to find an orderly solution to the war debt and reparations issues was made at the Lausanne Conference in mid-1932, prior to the expiration of the moratorium. This bid ultimately failed because of the U.S. refusal to cancel Allied war debts.

When the moratorium finally expired, a handful of former Allies continued to make at least token payment to the U.S., but in the end only Finland was willing and able to discharge its obligation fully.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1515.html
Lausanne Conference July 9, 1932

It was amply clear to the delegates that the deepening depression had made it impossible for Germany to resume its reparations payments. They came to an agreement on a two-point plan:

Not to press Germany for immediate payments

To reduce German indebtedness by nearly 90 percent and require Germany to prepare for the issuance of bonds valued at three billion Reichsmarks to be administered by the Bank for International Settlements and issued when world economic conditions warranted. This provision was close to cancellation, reducing the German obligation from the original $33 billion to $714 million.

It was informally agreed among the delegates that these provisions would be effective only in the event that the United States agreed to cancellation of war debts owed by other Allied governments.
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When the moratorium expired, the international debt situation was technically returned to the terms of the earlier Young Plan, but in fact the system had collapsed. Germany did not resume reparations payments and once the National Socialists (Nazis) had consolidated power, the debt was repudiated.

For a short period in 1933, the United States continued to receive war debt payments from several former Allies. After 1934, however, only two nations continued to honor their obligations — Hungary paid until World War II erupted in 1939 and Finland discharged its entire debt.

http://current.com/news/92696098_germany-to-pay-last-wwi-reparations.htm
Germany to Pay Last WWI Reparations
source: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,720156,00.html

But in 1953, West Germany agreed at an international conference in London to service its international bond obligations from before World War II. In the years that followed it repaid the principal on the bonds, which had been issued to private and institutional investors in countries including the United States.  ... France and Britain needed the reparations to repay their own debts. Both countries had borrowed vast sums from the US during the war

more at link... "...private and institutional investors in countries including the United States"

aka Rockefellers, Fords, Harrimans, Morgans, Rothschilds, Federal Reserve, Queen of England, basically the entire New World Order funding both sides of the wars.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/29/65945/550
British Make Final Payment of WWII Debt to USA  - Dec 29, 2006
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While the debt for WWI is unserviced, the UK still maintains bonds issued to pay for the Napoleonic wars and before
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Re: Happy Veterans Day
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2014, 12:10:28 PM »
https://samaritansentinel.com/uploads/The_Culling_of_Man_Final_Copy_3_7_13.pdf
The Culling of Man
Rise of the New World Order

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"The governments of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semi occult power which....pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War I." -British military historian Major General J.F.C. Fuller, 1941

WWI was planned and fought with the main goal of uniting all nations under a single world authority in the bloody aftermath, and the secondary goal of making money off the loans needed to finance the war, further putting the Western nations on the hook to the Illuminati bankers.

[ As an example of the mystery of WWI ,  Interesting one of the most horrific conflicts in history where the losers burned the plans and would not talk about them after they lost ... hmmmm.. ]
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan

The Schlieffen Plan (German: Schlieffen-Plan, pronounced [ʃliːfən plaːn]) was a 1905 German General Staff thought-experiment which later became a deployment-plan and set of recommendations for German Commanders to implement using their own initiative.

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The Schlieffen myth

Example of an erroneous and misleading map, purported to represent a "Schlieffen Plan" by post-war writers.

Most of the pre-1914 planning of the German General Staff was secret and documents were destroyed but guesses have passed into public discourse.

In the 1990s the discovery of RH61/v.96 which was used a 1930s study of pre-war German General Staff war planning, using incomplete records and other documents which were made available by the fall of the German Democratic Republic, made an outline of German war-planning possible for the first time, proving many of the guesses wrong. A fundamental inference that all of Schlieffen's war-planning was offensive, came from the extrapolation of Schlieffen's writings and speeches on tactical matters to the realm of strategy,

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Interesting No Rockefeller fought in WWI ... hmmmm ....

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/rockefeller.html
Rockefeller Associates
By Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion!

The Rockefellers were heavy financial backers of the American Liberty League.
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In the 1880s, an oil boom was brewing in Tsarist Russia, around the Caspian Sea town of Baku. Robert Nobel, the son of Alfred Nobel (originator of Sweden’s peace prize and the inventor of dynamite), was soon competing with the Parisian Rothschilds for control of Central Asia oil treasure. Their exports threatened Rockefeller’s near global oil monopoly, especially when Marcus Samuel, future founder of Shell Oil, developed tankers to carry the Rothchild’s oil to Europe and Asia.

In 1903, Rockefeller made a deal with the Tsarist government to lease and then buy the Baku oil fields. Besides selling vast quantities of American oil to pre-Soviet Russia, Rockefeller also had millions invested there. Thereafter, seeing an inevitable revolution looming on the horizon, Rockefeller also invested in anti-Tzarist forces to protect this branch of his empire. The Soviets did expropriate the Caspian oil fields from the Nobels and Rothschilds. Rockefeller’s National City Bank also lost assets, thanks to the revolution. Its lawyer, Joseph Proskauer, fought a legal battle to get Rockefeller’s money back. In 1926, Walter Teagle, the president of Standard Oil of New Jersey, successfully negotiated oil concessions in the Soviet Union.

By that time though, Standard Oil’s near global monopoly had been broken up. In 1911, the U.S. Supreme Court decided it was violating anti-trust laws and dissolved it into about three dozen companies. Many of these are now household names like Chevron (Standard Oil California), Amoco (Standard Oil Indiana), Mobil (Standard Oil New Jersey) and Exxon, previously called Esso (Standard Oil New Jersey).

When the U.S. was debating whether to join WWI, a group of so-called “War Hawks,” calling themselves the National Security League, knew that this war would be a major boon to profits. This League of bankers and industrialists, including Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Coleman du Pont and H.H. Rodgers of Standard Oil, promoted increases in arms production and universal military training.

By 1917, they had helped build war hysteria to a fever pitch. But not all Americans were on their side. The Woman’s Peace Party, many suffragists and others, strongly opposed America’s entry into WWI. However, the League was successful and the War Hawks’ profits skyrocketed.

Soon after WWI and the Russian revolution, many among America’s wealthy elite felt threatened by rising radicalism, particularly among unions.

In April 1919, letter bombs, destined for John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan and others, were supposedly discovered in the U.S. postal system. The media quickly stirred up a massive Red Scare by blaming unions, communists, anarchists and foreign agitators. John Spivak says: “Trade unions were openly disbelieving and denounced with anger the so-called discoveries as a deliberate frame-up to provide excuses for more raids against organized labour” (A Man in His Time, 1967). This incident and others were used as pretexts for the Palmer Raids, during which the government rounded up more than ten thousand activists across the country.

Throughout the 1920s and 1930s, while the persecution of leftists continued, corporate leaders on the extreme right, continued their criminal rampages in pursuit of profit. Although Rockefeller’s many links to Nazism are too numerous to list here, a few examples are worth noting. In the 1920s, Exxon entered into partnerships with Germany’s top chemical cartel members, BASF and I.G. Farben. The Bank for International Settlements, which helped fund the Nazis before and during WWII, was created in 1930 by the world’s central banks, including the Federal Reserve Bank of NY. Its creation was inspired by the Nazi government and its bankers. Its first president was Gates McGarrah, a Rockefeller banker formerly of Chase National Bank and the “Fed.”
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[ The war was going to be too short and ending around 1914  without food relief .... so enter Herbert Hoover and the CRB ... ]

http://socialarchive.iath.virginia.edu/xtf/view?docId=commission-for-relief-in-belgium-1914-1930-cr.xml

Commission for Relief in Belgium (1914-1930)
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When the CRB was founded in October 1914, Prime Minister Herbert Asquith and Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey initially approved the concept of food shipments from neutral ports on neutral ships to land in Rotterdam for overland transport to Belgium, provided the Germans did not seize the food. Asquith immediately faced a rebellion from his cabinet, including Lord Kitchener, Lloyd George, Churchill, and Reginald McKenna, all of whom objected to humanitarian aid. Their reasoning followed traditional military thinking, which was totally alien to Hoover. In this view, as the invading force, the German army had the complete responsibility for provisioning the population in occupied territory. This situation would force Germany either to divert funds to feed the country or face food riots and world condemnation. Food relief would only be diverted to feed German troops. By maintaining a tight blockade of the Continent, Britain could use the hunger in Belgium to undermine the German military machine. In an effort to sound less cynical, the British cabinet maintained that relief in Belgium would prolong the war and lead to more suffering in the long run.

Hoover was well aware that public opinion did not accept this cold logic and that the British cabinet, unlike the German high command, was very sensitive to public pressure. While he succeeded in securing official British approval of the CRB, he never overcame the resistance of the British military, which presented a continuing series of obstacles from bureaucratic inertia to a formal investigation of Hoover on trumped-up charges of espionage, at Churchill's instigation. Each time the Germans evaded their agreements and profited from Hoover's shipments, the British responded with new demands and conditions for permitting food through the blockade. Hoover, caught in the middle, played each side against the other. Over the long run, British support for the CRB strengthened as the moral idealism of the CRB proved to have unexpected advantages in modern warfare. Hoover won over a major ally in the Foreign Office, Lord Eustace Percy, who facilitated the interests of the CRB with increasing finesse throughout the war.

The most problematic country in Hoover's geopolitical balancing act was Germany. For the Germans, outside food subsidies presented the strong advantage of relieving the occupation authorities of any financial responsibilities toward feeding the population of 7 million Belgians and later 2 million Frenchmen. Without that subsidy the German occupation army faced food riots and civil disturbance, perhaps outright rebellion, that would divert energy from the front lines. In addition, the Germans exploited any loopholes in their agreements and weaknesses in security to divert Belgian-produced food to the German army. The scale of thefts was kept very small by Hoover's consistent efforts to plug any holes in security as they appeared. Despite assurances to the British to the contrary, Hoover was well aware of the benefits of his program to the German occupation forces under the command of Governor-General von Bissing, and he freely used this card in negotiations with him.
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https://thedaysofnoah.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/the-rothschild-1901-1919-the-secret-creators-of-world-war-1/
The Rothschild 1901 – 1919: The secret creators of World War 1
By Peculiar Voice   

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1907: Rothschild, Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., in a speech to the New York Chamber of Commerce, warns that, “Unless we have a Central Bank with adequate control of credit resources, this country is going to undergo the most severe and far-reaching money panic in its history.” Suddenly America finds itself in the middle of another typical run of the mill Rothschild-engineered financial crisis, which ruins as usual ruins the lives of millions of innocent people throughout America and makes billions for the Rothschilds
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1912: In the December issue of, “Truth,” magazine, George R. Conroy states of banker Jacob Schiff, “Mr Schiff is head of the great private banking house of Kuhn, Loeb, and co, which represents the Rothschilds interests on this side of the Atlantic. He has been described as financial strategist and has been for years the financial minister of the great impersonal power known as Standard Oil.” He was hand in glove with the Harrimans, the Goulds, and the Rockefellers in all their railroad enterprises and has become the dominant power in the railroad and financial power of America.”
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1913: On March 4, Woodrow Wilson is elected the 28th President of the United States.

Shortly after he is inaugurated, he is visited in the White House by Ashkenazi Jew, Samuel Untermyer, of law firm, Guggenheim, Untermyer, and Marshall, who tries to blackmail him for the sum of $40,000 in relation to an affair Wilson had whilst he was a professor at Princeton University, with a fellow professor’s wife.

President Wilson does not have the money, so Untermyer volunteers to pay the $40,000 out of his own pocket to the woman Wilson had had the affair with, on the condition that Wilson promise to appoint to the first vacancy on the United States Supreme Court a nominee to be recommended to President Wilson by Untermyer. Wilson agrees to this. Jacob Schiff sets up the Anti Defamation League (ADL) in the United States. This organisation is formed to slander anyone who questions or challenges the Rothschild global conspiracy as, “anti-semitic.” Strangely enough, the same year that they do this they also set up their last and current central bank in America, the Federal Reserve.

Congressman Charles Lindbergh stated following the passing of the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, “The Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized…….The greatest crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.”

It is important to note that the Federal Reserve is a private company, it is neither Federal nor does it have any Reserve. It is conservatively estimated that profits exceed $150 billion per year and the Federal Reserve has never once in its history published accounts.

1914: The start of World War I. In this war, the German Rothschilds loan money to the Germans, the British Rothschilds loan money to the British, and the French Rothschilds loan money to the French.

Futhermore, the Rothschilds have control of the three European news agencies, Wolff (est. 1849) in Germany, Reuters (est. 1851) in England, and Havas (est. 1835) in France. The Rothschilds use Wolff to manipulate the German people into a fervour for war. From around this time, the Rothschilds are rarely reported in the media, because they own the media.

 1916: On June 4, Ashkenazi Jew, Louis Dembitz Brandeis is appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States by President Wilson as per his agreed blackmail payment to Samuel Untermyer some three years earlier. Justice Brandeis is also the elected leader of the Executive Committee for Zionist Affairs, a position he has held since 1914. The middle of World War I Germany was winning the war as they were being financed by the Rothschilds to a greater extent than France, Italy and England, because Rothschilds, did not want to support the Tsar in Russia, and of course Russia was on the same side as France, Italy and England. Then a significant event occurred. Germany, although they were winning the war and not one foreign soldier had set foot on their soil, offered armistice to Britain with no requirement of reparations. The Rothschilds were anxious to make sure this didn’t happen as they were expecting to make far more money off this war, so they played another card they had up their sleeve.

Whilst the British were considering Germany’s offer, Rothschild agent Louis Brandeis sends a Zionist delegation from America to Britain to promise to bring America into the war on the side of the British, provided the British agree to give the land of Palestine to the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds wanted Palestine for the following reason: They had great business interests in the far east and desired their own state in that area along with their own military which they could use as an aggressor to any state that threatened those interests. The British subsequently agree to the deal for Palestine and the Zionists in London contact their counterparts in America and inform them of this fact. Suddenly all the major newspapers in America that up to that point had been pro-German turned on Germany running propaganda pieces such as: German soldiers were killing Red Cross Nurses; German soldiers were cutting off babies hands, etc, in order to manipulate the American public against the Germans.

This same year, President Woodrow Wilson, ran a re-election campaign under the slogan, “Re-Elect The Man Who Will Keep Your Sons Out Of The War.”
On December 12, Germany and her allies offer peace terms to end the war.

1917: As a result of Germany’s offer of peace the Rothschild war machine goes into overdrive in America, spreading propaganda which leads to President Wilson under the instructions of American Zionist leader and Supreme Court Justice, Louis Dembitz Brandeis, reneging on his promise to the electorate and taking America into the first world war on April 6. As per the Rothschild Zionist promise to the British, to take America into the war, they decide they want something in writing from the British to prove that they will uphold their side of the bargain. The British Foreign Secretary, Arthur James Balfour therefore drafts a letter which is commonly known as the, “Balfour Declaration,” which is reprinted below.

 Foreign Office November 2nd, 1917

 Dear Lord Rothschild,

 I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

 His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

 Yours sincerely,
 Arthur James Balfour

1914-18 - World War I - US military Deaths: 116,516 - The total number of casualties in World War I, both military and civilian, were about 37 million: 16 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 6.8 million civilians

[ Brandeis the first Jewish supreme court judge was a Frankist: ]

http://www.spickardssigns.com/mayjune2010brief.htm


^ THE MOVIE, EYES WIDE SHUT is said to be about Frankist sexual rites and based on a 1926 novella Dream Story by Arnold Schnitzler.

Schnitzler  was either a Jewish Frankist himself or quite familiar with Frankist practices as shown in this feature film remake of his work by Stanley Kubrick.  Schnitzler was an outrageous philanderer in his lifetime and kept a detailed diary of his multiple sexual trysts and, ...even his orgasms.

Kubrick apparently had some Frankist connections to want to remake this novella, also but did not live long enough to see the film released... Perhaps, he revealed too much...

The words, "eyes wide shut," is a mystical phrase used in Monarch Mind Programming and Satanic Cults meaning "whatever you see, don't reveal,"

which was the theme of the movie. It should be noted, that the sexual rituals and activities featured in this film go back to the 1920's, thus showing that this is NOT a new phenomenon... and that Frankism was alive and well in that era as well as today in the Catholic Church. Indeed, after Jacob Frank (shown right ) was on the scene long enough to espouse his "mystery religion," what was known as the "Hell Fire Club" sprang up in conjunction to Frank's "sacred sexuality" practices in the 18th-century. American Revolutionary Patriot and Freemason,  Benjamin Franklin was a frequent guest to this Club in England.

Jacob Frank, who claimed to be a Messiah of the very spirit of Tzvi, taught his followers to convert to another religion and hide behind that religion to practice their Satanism, hence the Frankists converted to Catholicism en masse in 1759 amid a great deal of fanfare. This action also meant that Frankists would integrate with existing Sabbatean elements in the Roman Catholic Church to facilitate eventual takeover of the Vatican.

Another one of Frank's prominent teachings was the accumulation of wealth and riches, even by the most devious and criminal actions, thus this is why the Bible calls such the formation of "The Rich Men."

Frank lived out his life supported by his large following and subsidized by European nobility. Frank nominated his daughter Eva or Eve, to continue the work of his movement until her own death in 1816. She became the object of a devotional subcult herself, with some followers keeping small statues of her in their homes or pictures of her portrait. A copy image of her portrait is a very rare find.



ONLY A THUMBNAIL IMAGE of Eva Frank is available of an portrait commissioned by her father in the late 18th Century. Eva Frank was regarded as a very beautiful, intelligent, and charming woman. The official portrait of her is a well guarded relic available only to practicing Frankists. A priest profiled in Lucifer's Lodge showed his devotion to her when he went back into his burning house to retrieve her portrait. Supreme Court Justice Lewis Brandeis, a known Frankist, was also a Eva Devotee and kept a framed portrait of her on his very desk

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Frankists have also infiltrated the highest levels in commerce, media, religion, and government,  especially in the United States.

The Frankists, Sabbateans (another Apostate Jewish cabal ) and the Illuminati, among other esoteric groups, represent  what is called the "Rich Men" in the Bible because  of their great wealth.

This phenomenon of the "Rich Men" is revealed in the "End Times of the Last Days" (roughly a period from 1967 to present). The Roman Catholic Church directly pressured the formation of this cabal known as the Illuminati in Conspiracy Literature, by persecuting Jews in the Middle Ages and beyond, particularly in the Spanish Inquisition, by forcing them to accept Catholic Christianity. It was the wish of some Jews to overcome the yoke of cruel Catholic anti-Semitic persecution that led them to initially embrace Sabbatianism from which Frankism evolved. These Jewish "Conversos,"  are  also called  "Marrano" Jews.

Jacob Weishaupt, a Catholic Jesuit Jewish Theologian (who also founded/reformed  the Illuminati ), and the followers of Jacob Frank, now in turn, exhibit clandestine control in, and collaboration with,  the Catholic Church.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/Louis_Brandeis.htm

Louis Brandeis in Palestine (center, in pith helmet)  with Chaim Weizmann and British soldiers, 1919
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At a crucial moment in the deliberations of the British government regarding the Balfour Declaration, American support was needed.

Brandeis apparently got President Wilson to reverse his policy of non-intervention, favored by his adviser Colonel House, and to provide the necessary support, still insisting that it must not be made public.   

Brandeis helped to organize the 1918 Pittsburgh conference of the Zionist Organization of America, which evolved from the American Zionist Federation and which, at that time, was truly representative of American Jewry.


http://judaicaused.blogspot.com/2012/11/louis-brandeis-jacob-frank_4530.html
Louis Brandeis & Jacob Frank, Frankists Today

Jacob Frank is long dead and his followers and practices long forgotten, but is his effect still being felt?

Louis Brandeis was a descendant of one of the prominent Shabbatean/Frankist families of Prague. They did not follow Frank’s example of conversion to Islam or Catholicism, but maintained a Jewish identity, though very detached from Jewish ritual and practice. His mother Frederika Dembitz Goldmark Brandeis “disdained formal religious ceremonies and encouraged her children to value ethical teachings of religion, including Judaism, while eschewing the age-old rituals.” Brandeis grew up in the family environment, where, though born a Jew, he was not raised as a Jew. In fact, he celebrated Christmas, but not the Jewish holidays; neither did he keep the kosher laws, or the sabbath. He was very disengaged from Jewish practice.

 Brandeis’s maternal uncle, Gottlieb Wehle, wrote an ethical will in which he exhorts members of his family to “respect their ancestors’ tradition of antinomian disdain for the normative Judaism of traditional rabbis.” This was perhaps a reaction to the family’s waning allegiance to the Frank sect. It was Justice Brandeis’s relatives, who revealed a copy of a portion of this will to Gershom scholem, who published it. In fact, Brandeis manifested a great interest in his mother’s background as evidenced by his insistence that she write down the history of the family, which she did. Although she never clearly expressed her Frankist background, she did allude to it. In her letters she gives some insight into why Louis Brandeis was so divorced from traditional Judaism. The environment as presented in her letters in which she detailed her family background evinces an anti-traditional atmosphere. It harkened back to a time in Prague when it was normative to be Jewish ethnically, German culturally, and Austrian politically. Yet, the Brandeis family, obviously influenced by the Frankist sect, had shunned their Jewishness and failed to expose their son Louis to anything more than the vagaries of Jewish identity.

 Brandeis’s mother gave him a copy of a picture of Eva Frank (who was Jacob Frank’s daughter and his spiritual successor upon his death), which was handed down and reserved for those who were privileged descendants of Frankists. This generation of Frankists had thrown off and/or forgotten the deviant ways of the founder; previous generations had actually destroyed the written remnants of their affiliation with the sect, even going door to door to collect any memoirs or written traces of the sect, so that they could discard the embarrassing “evidence.” They continued, however, to maintain a certain elitist pride about being connected to the sect’s past. This pride was reflected in Brandeis’s mother’s letters to her son; her descriptions of the close-knit community bespeak the Frankist sect in clandestine terms. Hence, we know that Louis Brandeis knew of this “ghost in the closet,” that would not be wise to profess openly. This may have made him particularly sensitive about the importance of the right to privacy (which he defined in his co-authored Right to Privacy article as the right to an “inviolate personality”) and the right to speak one’s conscience.

 Louis Brandeis took his second cousin, Alice, as his bride, a practice not uncommon for Jewish people and Frankists during this era. she too was a descendant of the circle of Crypto-Frankist Jews, and was undoubtedly aware of the secret of the family’s past.

 Brandeis' Frankist roots might explain his distance from anything Jewish until relatively late in his life. Only at age 56, in the year 1912 did he become active in the Zionist arena, probably as a conscious response to the Pogroms in Eastern Europe. He was very active for the next few years only to back off in 1919 after breaking off with Chaim Weizmann.
 
How many other Frankists are still among us, we may never know, and how much Frank had an effect on the abandonment of Jewish Traditions by the vast majority of today's Jews will probably remain a Mystery. On the other extreme of Judaism, Prof. Immanuel Etkes of Hebrew University says, "No doubt the Vilna Gaon suspected that the Hassidim were a sect like the Frankists".

 If you are in to conspiracies, there is much more. It seems there are all-conspiracy-believing anti-Semites who believe that Frankists are still around today under a different name. Here is a quote from one of their sites "The Frankists today no longer call themselves by that name. The Organization has grown into an international group labeled by outsiders as the Cult of the All-Seeing Eye". While we are at it, Barry Chamish, an Israeli author, whom some might know from his work trying to prove that Yitzchak Rabin was not killed by Yigal Amir states "The initial financiers of Labor Zionism and Theodore Herzl were barons of the Rothschild clan. Their goal was the creation of a state in the image of their Sabbatean/Frankist beliefs: that is, anti-Torah, anti-Talmudic, anti-religious and anti-Jewish". Pretty much any Jew in a power of authority in the last few hundred years has been or is accused by one nut or another of being a Frankist, who knows, perhaps in a few instances they are right.

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http://therecoveringbrit.wordpress.com/2011/10/

Close to the gazebo is a beautiful and touching war memorial, “Boys of WWI”.


http://gofrance.about.com/od/nordpasdecalais/ss/World-War-I-A-Tour-Of-New-Memorials-Cemeteries-And-Tanks.htm

'Cobbers' is the striking statue commemorating the devastating loss of so many Australians at the Battle of Fromelles, fought in July 1916.
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2014, 01:53:16 PM »


  Happy Veterans Day to My Fellow Brothers---Chris and Others

  Let us know if you are a veteran.
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2014, 02:06:49 PM »
This year:

http://www.france24.com/en/20140319-wwi-shell-kills-two-near-ypres-belgium/
WWI shell kills two near Ypres, Belgium
Latest update : 2014-03-19



Two construction workers were killed Wednesday after a World War I shell exploded near the Belgian town of Ypres, site of some of the bloodiest battles in the conflict.

Two other men were hurt, one left fighting for his life, after they disturbed the shell as they worked near the Ypres canal.

http://meinkampfvol1.blogspot.com/2013/09/hitler-der-soldat-1914-1918-hitler.html


'Shell-Shock'

The constant exposure to fear and terror resulted in a derangement of body and brain, paralyzing nerve and muscle centers, which frequently produced "shell-shock" (a form of psychosis) from which many men never fully recovered.


Hitler with Army Comrades and 'Foxl'

Hitler was cautious, sensible, resolute, and quite fearless.
As one of his officers would state, he was "an exceedingly brave, effective, and conscientious soldier."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Adolf_Hitler
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Hitler was twice decorated for bravery. He received the relatively common Iron Cross, Second Class, in 1914 and Iron Cross, First Class, in 1918, an honour rarely given to a Gefreiter.[8] Hitler was nonetheless not promoted above corporal; there is no evidence he desired another job, but given his eccentricities he probably would not have been recommended for one.[8] Hitler's First Class Iron Cross was recommended by Hugo Gutmann, a Jewish List adjutant.[9] According to Weber this rare award was commonly awarded to those posted to regimental headquarters, such as Hitler, who had more contact with more senior officers than combat soldiers ...

[ Notice it was the BRITISH who used the GAS: ]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/adolf-hitler-wounded-in-british-gas-attack
Oct 14, 1918: Adolf Hitler wounded in British gas attack
 
Among the German wounded in the Ypres Salient in Belgium on October 14, 1918, is Corporal Adolf Hitler, temporarily blinded by a British gas shell and evacuated to a German military hospital at Pasewalk, in Pomerania.

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[ The French were the first to use gas in WWI ,.... ]

http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWgas.htm

Poisonous gases were known about for a long time before the First World War but military officers were reluctant to use them as they considered it to be a uncivilized weapon. The French Army were the first to employ it as a weapon when in the first month of the war they fired tear-gas grenades at the Germans.

In October 1914 the German Army began firing shrapnel shells in which the steel balls had been treated with a chemical irritant. The Germans first used chlorine gas cylinders in April 1915 when it was employed against the French Army at Ypres. Chlorine gas destroyed the respiratory organs of its victims and this led to a slow death by asphyxiation.
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It was important to have the right weather conditions before a gas attack could be made. When the British Army launched a gas attack on 25th September in 1915, the wind blew it back into the faces of the advancing troops. This problem was solved in 1916 when gas shells were produced for use with heavy artillery. This increased the army's range of attack and helped to protect their own troops when weather conditions were not completely ideal.
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Both sides found that phosgene was more effective poison to use. Only a small amount was needed to make it impossible for the soldier to keep fighting. It also killed its victim within 48 hours of the attack. Advancing armies also used a mixture of chlorine and phosgene called 'white star'.

Mustard Gas (Yperite) was first used by the German Army in September 1917. The most lethal of all the poisonous chemicals used during the war, it was almost odourless and took twelve hours to take effect. Yperite was so powerful that only small amounts had to be added to high explosive shells to be effective. Once in the soil, mustard gas remained active for several weeks. The Germans also used bromine and chloropicrin.
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 Clive Ponting, the author of Churchill (1994) has argued: "The technology in which Churchill placed greatest faith though was chemical warfare, which had first been used by the Germans in 1915. It was at this time that Churchill developed what was to prove a life-long enthusiasm for the widespread use of this form of warfare."
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Re: Happy Veterans Day
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2014, 02:25:00 PM »
 Larson..
             There isn't a day that goes by I don't say a prayer for the Vets who didn't make it back , for those who did as well &  the innocents sacrificed.
              I have often wondered if humanity has ever been at peace.
                 
 Who was it that said, " without profit there would be no wars"?
                  The blood of the poor man ,Psycho controll , entertainment & profit for crews on high.
PS: I remember hearing the phrase," the war to end all wars ", I believe it was after  WWII, a curious statement?

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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2014, 02:32:53 PM »


  Tahoe,  I remember my dad telling me to never go in the forests of France when I was a young child BECAUSE OF THE UNDETONATED BOMBS OUT THERE.  I remember a farmer getting killed by one of these bombs. 
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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2014, 02:38:39 PM »
Larson..
             There isn't a day that goes by I don't say a prayer for the Vets who didn't make it back , for those who did as well &  the innocents sacrificed.
              I have often wondered if humanity has ever been at peace.
                 
 Who was it that said, " without profit there would be no wars"?
                  The blood of the poor man ,Psycho controll , entertainment & profit for crews on high.
PS: I remember hearing the phrase," the war to end all wars ", I believe it was after  WWII, a curious statement?

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  Yes, we dedicate Memorial Day to those who were killed in wars.

  Yes, the NWO is responsible for most of these deaths because they profit from wars--most of the times funding both sides.

  We had a special dedication of 3 soldiers that lost their lives in Iraq/Afghanistan yesterday here at the local high school---one father said he lost his only son who understandably was also his best friend.
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2014, 02:45:40 PM »
My father never got his degree from Texas A&M ... the class of '42 LEFT school before finals and were given degree's (many posthumously) after the war ... in those years  cadets left to enlist ... Nearly the whole cavalry class of '42 was wiped out in the invasion of Italy (Mark Clarkes FAILURES) fortunately my father stayed in school, later enlisted and was in WWII (japan pacific) and later went to Korea....

http://aggietraditions.tamu.edu/community/volunteer.html
Student Volunteerism
Since its inception, Texas Aggies have demonstrated a strong commitment to serving others within their ranks, as well as throughout their community, state, nation and world. The entire graduating classes of 1941 and 1942 enlisted to help their nation during World War II. Now each spring the Big Event, the largest single-day student-run service project in the nation, is a small reminder of the countless ways thousands of Aggie students give of themselves every day to help others.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_W._Clark


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muster_(Texas_A%26M_University)
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The most well-known Aggie Muster took place during World War II in 1942 on the Philippine island of Corregidor. At this time, Corregidor was the last American stronghold against the Japanese forces in the Philippines, and Japanese artillery and warplanes were constantly attacking. An estimated 1.8 million pounds of shells pounded the island in one five-hour stretch.

The American artillery commander on Corregidor was Brigadier General George F. Moore, a 1908 graduate of Texas A&M. With the help of Major Tom Dooley, class of 1935, Moore gathered the names of 25 other Aggies under his command. Despite the fierce fighting as the Japanese laid siege to the island, on April 21, 1942 Moore held a roll call—known as muster in army terms—calling the names of each of the Aggies under his command

Only twelve of the twenty-five survived the battle and the POW camps to which the survivors were sent.[4] Dooley told a United Press correspondent about the gathering, and the reporter sent an article back to the USA about the 25 Aggies who had "Mustered." The story captured the imagination of the country and "helped boost American spirits at a time a lift was badly needed."[5] (Lt. Col. (Ret.) William A. Hamilton, Jr., Class of 1940, is currently recognized as the last living survivor of the Corregidor Muster.)
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5