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US, Allies, Torture Kids in Iraqi Prisons
http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/us-allies-torture-kids-in-iraqi-prisons/4827/
Saturday, November 8th, 2008
By Sherwood Ross

Since it invaded Iraq in 2003, the U.S. has detained thousands of juveniles—some of whom were tortured and sexually abused, according to published reports. Figures of the number of children behind bars vary. Some estimates put the number as high as 6,000.

While the criminal abuse of male prisoners at Abu Ghraib is well known, child and women prisoners held there have also been tortured and raped, according to Neil Mackay of Glasgow’s “Sunday Herald.” Abu Ghraib prison is located about 20 miles west of Baghdad.

Iraqi lawyer Sahar Yasiri, representing the Federation of Prisoners and Political Prisoners, said in a published interview there are more than 400,000 detainees in Iraq being held in 36 prisons and camps and that 95 percent of the 10,000 women among them have been raped. Children, he said, “suffer from torture, rape, (and) starvation” and do not know why they have been arrested. He added the children have been victims of “random” arrests “not based on any legal text.”

Former prisoner Thaar Salman Dawod in a witness statement said, “(I saw) two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and (a US soldier) was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners.”

Iraqi TV reporter, Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz, arrested while making a documentary and thrown into Abu Ghraib for 74 days, told Mackay he saw “hundreds” of children there. Al-Baz said he heard one 12-year-old girl crying, “They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.” He said he heard her whimpering daily.

Al-Baz also told of a 15-year-old boy “who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed.” Amnesty International said ex-detainees reported boys as young as 10 are held at Abu Ghraib.

German TV reporter Thomas Reutter of “Report Mainz” quoted U.S. Army Sgt. Samuel Provance that interrogation specialists “poured water” over one 16-year-old Iraqi boy, drove him throughout a cold night, “smeared him with mud” and then showed him to his father, who was also in custody. Apparently, one tactic employed by the Bush regime is to elicit confessions from adults by dragging their abused children in front of them.

The Los Angeles Times as far back as August 26, 2004, reported U.S. military police at Abu Ghraib “used Army dogs to play a bizarre game in which they scared teenage detainees into defecating and urinating on themselves.”

And reporter Hersh told the American Civil Liberties Union convention he has seen videotapes of Iraqi boys that were sodomized, “and the worst part is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking.”

Jonathan Steele, wrote in the British “The Guardian” this past Sept. 9th, “Hundreds of children, some as young as nine, are being held in appalling conditions in Baghdad’s prisons, sleeping in sweltering temperatures in overcrowded cells, without working fans, no daily access to showers, and subject to frequent sexual abuse by guards, current and former prisoners say.” Sixteen-year-old Omar Ali told the “Guardian” he spent more than three years at Karkh juvenile prison sleeping with 75 boys to a cell that is just five by 10 meters, some of them on the floor. Omar told the paper guards often take boys to a separate room in the prison and rape them.

As the occupying authority in Iraq, the Bush administration cannot escape legal responsibility for the torture crimes of Iraqi jailers or for the deplorable conditions in the prisons they operate.

Raad Jamal, age 17, was taken from his Doura home by U.S. troops and turned over to the Iraqi Army’s Second regiment where Jamal said he was hung from the ceiling by ropes and beaten with electric cables.

Human Rights Watch(HRW) last June put the number of juveniles detained at 513. The grounds: they pose “imperative security risks.” In all, HRW estimates, since 2003, the U.S. has detained 2,400 children in Iraq, some as young as ten.

HRW said the children “are subject to interrogations, have no access to lawyers, and sometimes are held for more than a year without charge, in violation of the United States’ own regulations.” It said children “have very limited contact with their families.” HRW called upon the U.S. to “ensure that children it takes into custody are treated according to their status as children, and given prompt judicial review and access to independent monitors.” Apparently, this has not been the case.

Clarisa Bencomo, of HRW’s Children’s Rights Division said, “The vast majority of children detained in Iraq languish for months in U.S. military custody. The U.S. should provide these children with immediate access to lawyers and an independent judicial review of their detention.”

IRIN, the humanitarian news service, last year quoted Khalid Rabia of the Iraqi NGO Prisoners’ Association for Justice(PAJ), stating: “Children are being treated as adults in Iraqi prisons and our investigations have shown that they are being abused and tortured.” IRIN was refused permission to visit child prisoners.

Five boys between 13 and 17 accused of supporting insurgents and detained by the Iraqi army “showed signs of torture all over their bodies,” such as “cigarette burns over their legs,” she said.

One boy of 13 arrested in Afghanistan in 2002 was held in solitary for more than a year at Bagram and Guantanamo and made to stand in stress position and deprived of sleep. And 15-year-old Omar Khadr, a Canadian, was held in Guantanamo for two years without being allowed to see a lawyer or have contact with his family. Khadr has been held for a total of six years. According to the current “Catholic Worker,” Mohammed Jawad was 17 when captured in Afghanistan and was subjected to sleep deprivation at Gitmo day and night for two weeks. Every three hours jailers shackled and transfered him to another cell under a “frequent flier” program, forcing him to change cells 112 times.

Jawad’s defense lawyer Air Force Major David J.R. Frakt said the most likely reason Gitmo authorities tortured the youth (who had attempted suicide five months earlier) was “for sport, to teach him a lesson, perhaps to make an example of him to others.”

Officials from UNAMI, the United Nations Assistance Mission to Iran, said that children awaiting trial at severely overcrowded Tobchi prison, Baghdad, said they had been tortured and sexually abused while in custody in adult facilities prior to their transfer to Tobchi, and showed the marks to prove it. And at Karkh juvenile prison, children showed skin sores from lying on soggy mattresses in temperatures that average 112 during the day.

Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in “Our Endangered Values”(Simon & Schuster) that the Red Cross found after visiting six U.S. prisons “107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old.” And reporter Hersh, (who broke the Abu Ghraib torture scandal,) reported 800-900 Pakistani boys aged 13 to 15 in custody. President Carter wrote that the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the Pentagon “have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse.”

In an effort to conceal conditions in its Iraqi compounds, the U.S. has closed them to human rights monitors such as AI, HRW, and the International Federation of Human Rights, says Ciara Gilmartin, the Security Council Program Coordinator at Global Policy Forum(GPF), a New York-based organization that seeks to strengthen international law.

GPF called for opening the Iraqi detention facilities “to national and international observers” and for establishing clear accountability for U.S. officers and contractors in charge of the prisons.

“The whole abusive system must be thoroughly overhauled or closed down,” Gilmartin said. “U.S. military and civilian leaders are not the only ones complicit in the abuse and lack of due process of Iraqi detainees. All who stay silent in the face of the Iraq gulag allow it to continue.”

In 2005, the AP reported from Geneva that UNICEF was “profoundly disturbed” by reports of abuse of children in Iraq prisons. “Any mistreatment, sexual abuse, exploitation or torture of children in detention is a violation of international law,” UNICEF spokesman Damien Peronnaz said.

According to a report by Felicity Arbuthnot published last June 9th in Global Research, the UN Special Representative for Children in Armed Conflict, Radhika Coomarswarmy, said children are not allowed any outside lawyers and may be held hostage to force an adult family male to give himself up.

HRW said that as of February of this year the length of detention for children was more than 130 days and “some children have been detained for more than a year without charge or trial, in violation of the Coalition Provisional Authority memorandum on criminal procedures. Not surprisingly, “One of the biggest complaints (by Iraqis) is that the vast majority of (U.S.) detainees have not been charged with any crime,” David Enders writes in the October 27 issue of The Nation.

Although President Bush says he reads the Bible, the words about children Matthew ascribes to Jesus may not have sunk in and so are worthy of repeating: “Who so shall offend one of these little ones…it were better that a millstone was hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 10:56:09 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 12:23:19 am »

We need to figure out some ways to defend these people...

how can we defend and protect them?

Thank God we woke up.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 01:00:02 am »
Um, I don't understand why these soldiers would go through the effort of tying somone up and beating them.  What use is that to them?  Are these soldiers just bored and this is their only for of entertainment?  f**k man, I wish I had some kind of superpower where I could just appear there, kill the assholes, free the people, then *poof*....gone....

These poor people have no protection, no one to help them...

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 01:03:47 am »
   We have people inside the US torturing and raping children and women.  The sheeple just dont give a damn.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 01:07:47 am »



  They have been so burned out by war that they have no consciences anymore!  Will this happen at the upcoming FEMA camps.  I would think so.   So my family is not going to partake in their food and fun.  FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 01:23:35 am »


  They have been so burned out by war that they have no consciences anymore!  Will this happen at the upcoming FEMA camps.  I would think so.   So my family is not going to partake in their food and fun.  FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS.

How true. This shit has got to stop! We need to organize to make sure this doesn't happen here. What's happening to these poor people I cannot describe how I feel in words. The worste horror movie can't even come close to the reality of this evil.
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How true. This shit has got to stop! We need to organize to make sure this doesn't happen here. What's happening to these poor people I cannot describe how I feel in words. The worste horror movie can't even come close to the reality of this evil.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 01:40:06 am »
We need to figure out some ways to defend these people...

how can we defend and protect them?



I don't know if there's that much we can do at this point.

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U.S. And Allies Tortured Kids In Iraqi Prisons
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 07:10:45 am »
U.S. And Allies Tortured Kids In Iraqi Prisons

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Saturday, November 8th, 2008
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m48612&hd=&size=1&l=e

Since it invaded Iraq in 2003, the U.S. has detained thousands of juveniles—some of whom were tortured and sexually abused, according to published reports. Figures of the number of children behind bars vary. Some estimates put the number as high as 6,000.

While the criminal abuse of male prisoners at Abu Ghraib is well known, child and women prisoners held there have also been tortured and raped, according to Neil Mackay of Glasgow’s "Sunday Herald." Abu Ghraib prison is located about 20 miles west of Baghdad.

Iraqi lawyer Sahar Yasiri, representing the Federation of Prisoners and Political Prisoners, said in a published interview there are more than 400,000 detainees in Iraq being held in 36 prisons and camps and that 95 percent of the 10,000 women among them have been raped. Children, he said, "suffer from torture, rape, (and) starvation" and do not know why they have been arrested. He added the children have been victims of "random" arrests "not based on any legal text."

Former prisoner Thaar Salman Dawod in a witness statement said, "(I saw) two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and (a US soldier) was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners."

Iraqi TV reporter, Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz, arrested while making a documentary and thrown into Abu Ghraib for 74 days, told Mackay he saw "hundreds" of children there. Al-Baz said he heard one 12-year-old girl crying, "They have undressed me. They have poured water over me." He said he heard her whimpering daily.

Al-Baz also told of a 15-year-old boy "who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed." Amnesty International said ex-detainees reported boys as young as 10 are held at Abu Ghraib.

German TV reporter Thomas Reutter of "Report Mainz" quoted U.S. Army Sgt. Samuel Provance that interrogation specialists "poured water" over one 16-year-old Iraqi boy, drove him throughout a cold night, "smeared him with mud" and then showed him to his father, who was also in custody. Apparently, one tactic employed by the Bush regime is to elicit confessions from adults by dragging their abused children in front of them.

The Los Angeles Times as far back as August 26, 2004, reported U.S. military police at Abu Ghraib "used Army dogs to play a bizarre game in which they scared teenage detainees into defecating and urinating on themselves."

And reporter Hersh told the American Civil Liberties Union convention he has seen videotapes of Iraqi boys that were sodomized, "and the worst part is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking."

Jonathan Steele, wrote in the British "The Guardian" this past Sept. 9th, "Hundreds of children, some as young as nine, are being held in appalling conditions in Baghdad’s prisons, sleeping in sweltering temperatures in overcrowded cells, without working fans, no daily access to showers, and subject to frequent sexual abuse by guards, current and former prisoners say." Sixteen-year-old Omar Ali told the "Guardian" he spent more than three years at Karkh juvenile prison sleeping with 75 boys to a cell that is just five by 10 meters, some of them on the floor. Omar told the paper guards often take boys to a separate room in the prison and rape them.

As the occupying authority in Iraq, the Bush administration cannot escape legal responsibility for the torture crimes of Iraqi jailers or for the deplorable conditions in the prisons they operate.

Raad Jamal, age 17, was taken from his Doura home by U.S. troops and turned over to the Iraqi Army’s Second regiment where Jamal said he was hung from the ceiling by ropes and beaten with electric cables.

Human Rights Watch(HRW) last June put the number of juveniles detained at 513. The grounds: they pose "imperative security risks." In all, HRW estimates, since 2003, the U.S. has detained 2,400 children in Iraq, some as young as ten.

HRW said the children "are subject to interrogations, have no access to lawyers, and sometimes are held for more than a year without charge, in violation of the United States’ own regulations." It said children "have very limited contact with their families." HRW called upon the U.S. to "ensure that children it takes into custody are treated according to their status as children, and given prompt judicial review and access to independent monitors." Apparently, this has not been the case.

Clarisa Bencomo, of HRW’s Children’s Rights Division said, "The vast majority of children detained in Iraq languish for months in U.S. military custody. The U.S. should provide these children with immediate access to lawyers and an independent judicial review of their detention."

IRIN, the humanitarian news service, last year quoted Khalid Rabia of the Iraqi NGO Prisoners’ Association for Justice(PAJ), stating: "Children are being treated as adults in Iraqi prisons and our investigations have shown that they are being abused and tortured." IRIN was refused permission to visit child prisoners.

Five boys between 13 and 17 accused of supporting insurgents and detained by the Iraqi army "showed signs of torture all over their bodies," such as "cigarette burns over their legs," she said.
One boy of 13 arrested in Afghanistan in 2002 was held in solitary for more than a year at Bagram and Guantanamo and made to stand in stress position and deprived of sleep. And 15-year-old Omar Khadr, a Canadian, was held in Guantanamo for two years without being allowed to see a lawyer or have contact with his family. Khadr has been held for a total of six years. According to the current "Catholic Worker," Mohammed Jawad was 17 when captured in Afghanistan and was subjected to sleep deprivation at Gitmo day and night for two weeks. Every three hours jailers shackled and transfered him to another cell under a "frequent flier" program, forcing him to change cells 112 times.
Jawad’s defense lawyer Air Force Major David J.R. Frakt said the most likely reason Gitmo authorities tortured the youth (who had attempted suicide five months earlier) was "for sport, to teach him a lesson, perhaps to make an example of him to others."

Officials from UNAMI, the United Nations Assistance Mission to Iran, said that children awaiting trial at severely overcrowded Tobchi prison, Baghdad, said they had been tortured and sexually abused while in custody in adult facilities prior to their transfer to Tobchi, and showed the marks to prove it. And at Karkh juvenile prison, children showed skin sores from lying on soggy mattresses in temperatures that average 112 during the day.

Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in "Our Endangered Values"(Simon & Schuster) that the Red Cross found after visiting six U.S. prisons "107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old." And reporter Hersh, (who broke the Abu Ghraib torture scandal,) reported 800-900 Pakistani boys aged 13 to 15 in custody. President Carter wrote that the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the Pentagon "have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse."

In an effort to conceal conditions in its Iraqi compounds, the U.S. has closed them to human rights monitors such as AI, HRW, and the International Federation of Human Rights, says Ciara Gilmartin, the Security Council Program Coordinator at Global Policy Forum(GPF), a New York-based organization that seeks to strengthen international law.

GPF called for opening the Iraqi detention facilities "to national and international observers" and for establishing clear accountability for U.S. officers and contractors in charge of the prisons.

"The whole abusive system must be thoroughly overhauled or closed down," Gilmartin said. "U.S. military and civilian leaders are not the only ones complicit in the abuse and lack of due process of Iraqi detainees. All who stay silent in the face of the Iraq gulag allow it to continue."

In 2005, the AP reported from Geneva that UNICEF was "profoundly disturbed" by reports of abuse of children in Iraq prisons. "Any mistreatment, sexual abuse, exploitation or torture of children in detention is a violation of international law," UNICEF spokesman Damien Peronnaz said.

According to a report by Felicity Arbuthnot published last June 9th in Global Research, the UN Special Representative for Children in Armed Conflict, Radhika Coomarswarmy, said children are not allowed any outside lawyers and may be held hostage to force an adult family male to give himself up.

HRW said that as of February of this year the length of detention for children was more than 130 days and "some children have been detained for more than a year without charge or trial, in violation of the Coalition Provisional Authority memorandum on criminal procedures. Not surprisingly, "One of the biggest complaints (by Iraqis) is that the vast majority of (U.S.) detainees have not been charged with any crime," David Enders writes in the October 27 issue of The Nation.

Although President Bush says he reads the Bible, the words about children Matthew ascribes to Jesus may not have sunk in and so are worthy of repeating: "Who so shall offend one of these little ones…it were better that a millstone was hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
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(Sherwood Ross is a Miami-based public relations consultant and reporter that can be reached at sherwoodr1@yahoo.com Ross compiled this article from news sources he believes to be reliable and is particularly indebted to the Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday Herald.)




 

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2008, 07:50:58 am »
the usa is going straight to hell non-stop. there is such a thing as karma and there is no escape from it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2008, 10:11:01 am »
This shit is messed up. So so wrong. Bet these soldiers feel realy tough when they are doing this shit. i hope they go home and the end of the tour and hang themselves in shame!

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2008, 04:04:18 pm »


Castration or nuetering would be a fitting punishment.

Can't handle hearing that this shit is going on, and can't write what I'd like to see done to these sadistic freaks.

The lives of these kids are in peices never to return to normal.

A freak I had to partner with my first few weeks in nam told me he was going to rape a young girl, working in the rice patty below us. she was no more than 10 or eleven.
I was scared shit of this guy, but when it dawned on me what he was going to do I leveled a M16 at his head, scared out of my fN wits, but told him, you try and I'll kill ya. I wonder how I didnt wack him I was shaking so hard with my finger on the triger. Anyhow he didn't. Just told me he was looking at a dead man.

These type of people need a FN lesson, or suicide.

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2008, 05:45:16 pm »
I should have realized America was irredeemable after the My Lai massacre, where our soldiers murdered 14-year-old girls by ramming bayonets into their vaginas and then Lt. Calley was welcomed back to his home town as a hero.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2008, 05:55:37 am »
Chris Jones,
He probably raped multiple children after you were no longer partnered with him.
You really should have blown his head off.

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2008, 06:48:25 am »
This surprises me not. They've gone and killed 1.5 million, going into villages and killing anything that moves. This is probably the least of their crimes. I absolutely do not support the troops, despite what propaganda would suggest I do.

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 10:42:24 am »
This is for a reason, I keep getting told "God is in control". It looks obvious, God is NOT on our side!

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 11:16:58 am »
god is letting us f**k ourselves over

Exactly. It's not God's fault that America's turned into a slothful nation of mindless idiots.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2008, 11:27:50 am »

If I remeber right, there was pact made between good and evil.

The proving grounds for human beings, tested, what are they made of, will they be the faithfull, will they have courage, ya know the whole nine yards.

Kinda like, mortals putting their souls together and showing the reality of what they truly are.

Looks like this may be that test of fire........................

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2008, 12:32:24 pm »
This is for a reason, I keep getting told "God is in control". It looks obvious, God is NOT on our side!

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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2008, 02:02:13 pm »
Well I guess it's like what someone else said here.  We can learn from THIER mistakes and make sure that we never become this way.  We can also make certain that it never happens here.  If it does, then we have to stop it.

See, in war there are all types of killers but never the killer who defends the innocent it seems...

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2008, 04:47:38 pm »


I understand your feelings, please attempt to understand mine.

Most of the young folk are right out of high schooll and left their playstation behind, or poverty stricken and took this as a way out, unknowingly what it would be, the whys and wherefors. Innocent and ignorent to the truth.


I am in no way defending the sadism or the cold blooded murder, on the contrary I despise this side of humanity.

Personelly I blame those who sent them there.

But in all honesty there are good men who found out the truth, do you remember Tillman, he was a man of honor who defended the innocents and stood against the manipulators, he was two tapped, why, he was a public figure and would draw attention.

I was witness to suicides what seemed to be on a daily basis in Vietnam. I watched men inflict wounds on themsleves to get out, shoot their legs or foot.

War, is not condusive to a peacefull state of mind. many troopers are against the war, its public knowledge that 70% of Ron Pauls supporters were Veterans.

Please, don't label all of them, certainly there are groups of men, pyscos who enjoy the killing, wether it be there or here.

I saw men defend the innocents in Nam, I also saw many a good man break, destroyed mentally. More Nam vets committed suicide than were actual killed during the war.

This regimes tactics is to welcome sadism, promote it, profile the freaks and let them enjoy their sadism. Look to the superiors before examining the kids, the human mind is breakable, it is fragile, war is not.

I am not supporting the tactics used in this illegal invasion, they have been drilled into the minds of the youths, I lay blame on their commanders, and the JCS and of course our illustrious leaders.

Though I must add those freaks who abused innocents must be held accountable. You can be certain that their superiors are aware, you can be certain this administration has initiated torture into their methodry, condoned it cheered for it, or it would not exist.

You will not find the statistics in the NSM's daily concerning the number of suicides in Iraq and on their return, I feel certain it will be stagering .

Labeling all troopers as cold blooded, warmongers is far from the absolute.

Who are the true criminals, firstly the administration and their cohorts, they have orchestrated this abomination knowing full well the results.

However I hold the Military high uppers in contempt, from the JCS to the light bird colonels. It is they who could speak out, and for lack of moral courage have not. Those who have stood up to Bushmaster have been farmed out, Generals in fact.

I sincerly hope I have made a point here, these troppers can not all be categorized and labled, I feel thats a travesty especialy so for the youngster with a conscience who finds himself in the valley of death and knows not why. This regime has created enemies within the system, more I beleive than they realize.


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Re: U.S. AND ALLIES TORTURE/RAPE CHILDREN AND WOMEN IN IRAQI PRISONS
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2008, 09:11:50 am »
Any and all of those who commit such atrocities need to be dealt with in a most severe manner, namely with their lives. These are not children but full adults in possession of their faculties enough to be trusted with a loaded firearm in the service of the military and / or their counterparts, therefore being able to discern between right and wrong. No excuses ever should be made for this kind of behavior.
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 09:50:27 am »
Any and all of those who commit such atrocities need to be dealt with in a most severe manner, namely with their lives. These are not children but full adults in possession of their faculties enough to be trusted with a loaded firearm in the service of the military and / or their counterparts, therefore being able to discern between right and wrong. No excuses ever should be made for this kind of behavior.
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Though I must add those freaks who abused innocents must be held accountable. You can be certain that their superiors are aware, you can be certain this administration has initiated torture into their methodry, condoned it cheered for it, or it would not exist.

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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 09:56:09 am »
Hi Wolf.
Though I must add those freaks who abused innocents must be held accountable. You can be certain that their superiors are aware, you can be certain this administration has initiated torture into their methodry, condoned it cheered for it, or it would not exist.


Prior Quote. First, I make no excueses for these freaks, this is a proir write in.

Castration or nuetering would be a fitting punishment.Can't handle hearing that this shit is going on, and can't write what I'd like to see done to these sadistic freaks.

My reply was based on anothr write in for a member who beleives all troopers are basically the same.

No excuses were intended, nor none were made.

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2008, 10:11:16 am »
when your sexually flustrated would you rape someone?some people will and those people need shot.


Sigh....for the 500,723rd time, rape is not about sex.  It is about power, especially when combined with torture. This is just indicative of the f**ked up brainwashing of the military and the psychological horror of actually putting that brainwashing to use.  Those people need to come home and undergo intensive and extensive therapy! Yes, I feel the need to "put them out of their misery" as well but like chrisjones has said, they are PAWNS in a game.  Everyone is born innocent and I do not call MOST pimple-faced teenagers or early 20 year olds full adults.  It is a fact of biology that there is still brain development occurring at those ages that has not reached the "adult" stage. 
 I am completely sick at heart over this amongst too-numerous-to-mention other atrocities running rampant in this world.
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2008, 10:22:32 am »
Each and every day the wickedness on this earth just seems to build, and get more wicked.  It all just makes me feel so sad and sick inside.