New Florida License Plates have RFID !!!!

[Jeffro]

A friend of mine was just pulled over today driving his girlfriends car here in Central Florida.  His girlfriend just recently renewed her license plate registration and they gave her a new plate instead of a sticker.  Her driver's license is suspended but his is fine.  When he was pulled over he was told that they have a new system.  If you come within like 100 yards of a police car, and the owner of the car has a suspended driver's license, it automatically pops up on the cops computer that a registered car's owner has a suspended license and he can then find and follow the car.  He was pulled over to see who was driving the car, if she was driving, she would have went to jail.  This is done by RFID.  They can now track every car. I imagine they can also see the arrest record of everyone too, just by coming within distance of the cop car.

[otero1]

I'm sure they can track you from long-range too.

[knas]

Remember that this is for your own good.
Now cops can sit in an alley eating donuts all day, waiting for the crime to come to them.

[Jackson Holly]

This RFID setup seems to be an update on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA5Gy32aqdo

which has been around, I guess, for a while.

THE MATRIX

[Jeffro]

This RFID setup seems to be an update on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA5Gy32aqdo

which has been around, I guess, for a while.

THE MATRIX

I guess now they dont need the camera's anymore...thx for that find.  I live in Central FL and didnt know they had that camera system in 2006. 

[snarky comment]

http://www.accenture.com/Global/Technology/Radio_Frequency_Identification/R_and_I/SmartLicensePlates.htm

[kevlar442]

I'm sure if you can locate it in the plate, you can smash it.

[AlphaM]

You sure it wasn't ALPR?

[gEEk squad]

I'm sure if you can locate it in the plate, you can smash it.

Or microwave it. You may want to use a microwave you don't care if you break and have a fire extinguisher ready. :x

[barndoor77]

Microwave would work, running current through the plate would not as the RFID is embedded sealed inside a plastic cocoon laminate.

A Ball Pen Hammer would work nice, question is where do you hit the plate?

RFID Enabled License Plates to Identify UK Vehicles

http://www.rfidnews.org/2004/06/10/rfid-enabled-license-plates-to-identify-uk-vehicles

The new e-Plates project uses active (battery powered) RFID tags embedded in the plates to identify vehicles in real time. The result is the ability to reliably identify any vehicle, anywhere, whether stationary or mobile, and - most importantly - in all weather conditions. (Previous visually-based licence plate identification techniques have been hampered by factors such as heavy rain, mist, fog, and even mud or dirt on the plates.)

The e-Plates project has been under development for the past three years at a cost of more than £1 million, and is currently under consideration by a number of administrations. It is hoped that e-Plate will be one of the systems trialled by the UK Government in its forthcoming study of micro-chipped licence plates.

e-Plate is the leader in Electronic Vehicle Identification (EVI) using active RFID tagging. Why this technology? Because governments across the world are looking to tagging to optimise the use of road space, reduce non-compliance, combat vehicle crime and fight terrorism.

http://www.e-plate.com/

So there you go, the E-Plate Makers have just told us what the 'governments' want to do with it, more than the governments want to state themselves.

[Jeffro]

That company that makes those protective sleeves for credit cards and passports that blocks RFID needs to make clear sleeve for license plates now.

[snarky comment]

I couldn't find any info on them being used in the US yet...

[sickofitall]

In NC they gave me a new plate last year when I renewed my tags too.

[scoffer]

This information is concerning although not surprising. I was required to get a new plate for one of mu vehicles this year, and charged for it. The DMV says the new plates are more reflective, I am still going to take it off my car and have a good look at it.

[scoffer]

Additionally, has it occured to anyone that the law enforcement complacency likely to result from this will negate any of the benefits they expect from this program, there are just way too many ways to creatively misinform the system.

[Overcast]

This information is concerning although not surprising. I was required to get a new plate for one of mu vehicles this year, and charged for it. The DMV says the new plates are more reflective, I am still going to take it off my car and have a good look at it.

Yeah, I have the 'Fallen Officer's Trust' tag - and they issued me a new one last year as well. With some stupid excuse about you couldn't read the 'F' on the label of the plate. That's all the 'cryptic' information I got was.

But... think about it.

In the near future, all sorts of laws will start popping up about compromising these things. And they'll be hauling people off to jail for it.

So now's the chance to fiddle with it

http://rfidiot.org/  - Is a good resource. I haven't poured over it all in detail, but there seems to be a lot of good info there.

Thing is - if they are re-programmable, it will cause issues if someone is so inclined to play around with it. What if someone decides to play a game in a parking lot - switching grandma's RFID code on the plate for the RFID code on a plate they picked up in the 'bad area' of town.

Grandma goes driving down the road and gets cuffed and booked because she has a warrant out for her. I mean, well - that's what the computer said.

People who aren't real techie take what the computer tells them like it's the bible or something. Especially these 'state' workers. They have this idea that the system they work for is infallible. And that's the biggest mistake of them all....

[HYDROGENPAL]

what if you hooked it up to a car battery rechager? that would fry it 2 right just hook it up turn it on leave it for a few seconds and turn off

WHY WOULDNT A HAMMER WORK?

[Overcast]

WHY WOULDNT A HAMMER WORK?

It probably would. If you want to be sure, I'd recommend a nice brazing over the grill the next time you cookout - heat will always destroy electronics. It's their worst enemy.

Pair of Tongs, Cookin' Apron, and about 700 degrees - that should do the trick. Just be careful not to bubble the paint!!

[Overcast]

http://www.spychips.com/faqs.html#

Q: What do I do if I find an RFID chip? Can I kill or disable it?
A: You can disable a chip for all practical purposes by disconnecting it from its antenna. It is usually pretty obvious where the chip is located in an RFID tag (all the antennas will run to it). Once you find the tiny black square you can use a pair of scissors or a knife to cut it off. To ensure that the tiny chip cannot later be read (assuming anyone could even find a device so small), you can puncture it with a straight pin, crush it, or pulverize it. (Note: While burning or microwaving can destroy a chip, we do not recommend these methods because of fire risk. See the Q & A below.) Do not try to "drown" it, since water does not generally destroy RFID chips. Running a magnet over the chip will not work, either.



License plate shouldn't present a fire risk, assuming your grill isn't like the fires of hell and/or you don't leave it on too long, heh

[shirteesdotnet]

This bites.

If your RFID shows visible signs of tampering, couldnt that be on offense? I think it is with the new RFID passports. Not sure though. I would say this... call up the phone book and call up some industrial places and see if the have a "demagnetizer" (aka degausser). Run your plate or RFID through that. Im sure it would fcuk it up!

Here is a tiny unit on Amazon.com... http://www.amazon.com/Goodson-SPD-46-Small-Parts-Demagnetizer/dp/B0009RGYA4/

We've got a huge floor model at my work... if someone forgets to take their watch off when they get near this thing, the arms on the watch start rotating about 2 or 3 hours a second.

[Overcast]

This bites.

If your RFID shows visible signs of tampering, couldnt that be on offense? I think it is with the new RFID passports. Not sure though. I would say this... call up the phone book and call up some industrial places and see if the have a "demagnetizer" (aka degausser). Run your plate or RFID through that. Im sure it would fcuk it up!

Well, is heating is 'tampering' or just 'sterilizing' it...? You decide

Wow, I didn't know it would mess anything up. Of course, it's not going to show anything, if it's not dipped right into a fire. Of course, this should only be done if it's not against the law, of course.

Of course, if they say "there's no chip in there" - then I don't see why it would be against any law, assuming you don't damage the plate in anyway. If they do disclose there is a chip in there, and it's against the law to tamper with it, then I wouldn't suggest anything like that.

[jimwill]

This bites.

If your RFID shows visible signs of tampering, couldnt that be on offense? I think it is with the new RFID passports. Not sure though.

First they would have to admit that the tag had an RFID!

"Oh, is that what that was. I thought it was a speck of dirt!"

[Overcast]

First they would have to admit that the tag had an RFID!

"Oh, is that what that was. I thought it was a speck of dirt!"

Florida Law States:

320.061  Unlawful to alter motor vehicle registration certificates, license plates, mobile home stickers, or validation stickers or to obscure license plates; penalty.--No person shall alter the original appearance of any registration license plate, mobile home sticker, validation sticker, or vehicle registration certificate issued for and assigned to any motor vehicle or mobile home, whether by mutilation, alteration, defacement, or change of color or in any other manner. No person shall apply or attach any substance, reflective matter, illuminated device, spray, coating, covering, or other material onto or around any license plate that interferes with the legibility, angular visibility, or detectability of any feature or detail on the license plate or interferes with the ability to record any feature or detail on the license plate. Any person who violates this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Doesn't really say anything about subjecting it to energy of any specific type. And specifically states "or detectability of any feature or detail on the license plate" - on, not *in* the license plate.

So literally, doesn't sound like it's an issue, but you know how they can get...