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Obama is charismatic, cunning, very eloquent and well-spoken, and he has most of the general public fooled. He also has a legion of spellbound, cult-like followers who view him as the messiah, when in fact he is just a modern-day Hitler-like puppet, who's strings are being pulled by Brzezinski and Soros. This is why I view him as the more dangerous of the two candidates. McCain is a continuation of the fascist, neocon regime of saber-rattling chicken hawks that have had direct control of the executive branch for eight years. However, I agree with Tarpley's analysis that McCain is just a lame duck, and has likely been placed in the election for the sole purpose of losing and fooling the people into going back to sleep as the Obama administration wraps it's hands around America's neck.
But this does not change the fact that both are extremely dangerous. Like I said earlier, we cannot afford to vote for the "lesser of two evils" (doesn't seem to matter though, one of these two f**kers is probably already sitting in the oval office).
Don't give either of these puppets the satisfaction of your vote!
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I like Rivero although I don't agree that Obama will be better than McCain. I won't endorse either of their philosophies or policies by giving them my vote. But I would relish the chance to see all the leftists whining when their savior betrays them on the war, healthcare and nafta. The Rebulicans already know what their getting with McCain(more war) and seem ok with it. But the Dems have got a big f**king surprise comming when Their messiah starts to actually have to govern instead of just bs ing on the campaign trail. Maybe some more people on the left will wake up after Barkey keeps falling short of their lofty expectations.
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2008, 06:11:40 PM » |
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Sounds like it judging from his latest appearance on the Alex JOnes Show.
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I raised this issue a coupla days ago and got some stick for it. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=66251.0I wondered if maybe I was being a little too harsh on Michael Rivero, but since Alex and most people on this forum substantially agree with my comments I feel justified. There's great work on WRH and perhaps the newsroll will get back to being a daily essential once Obama wins and they start holding him to the fire as MR promises, but it's clear that Rivero doesn't actually believe in two of the basic premises of the infowars/Alex Jones philosophy: 1) that there's a NWO controlling both parties, and 2) that they wish us ill. If he believed this he wouldn't back EITHER of the establishment candidates, never mind their Chosen One. |
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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2008, 11:14:15 PM » |
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Sitting on the sidelines is too easy. Voting third party - Baldwin, Barr, McKinney - is valid. But I thought my state was going to be very close, and I asked myself "One of these two men is going to be President - if my vote decided the election, which one would I rather have be President and controlling the nuclear trigger and all the vast powers of the federal government?" Answer was Obama.
I go back to 11/22/63 and 9/11/01 - McCain is DIRECTLY tied to the men and networks that did these assaults on America. He must be defeated. I have seen no proof Obama is tied to these networks - JFK's daughter, brother and nephew support and advise him. Richard Clarke, who in a limited way gave us so many clues to the neocon treachery on 9-11, advises him. Even Gen. Powell, who I am not a fan of, but who had the honesty to call the neocons "the crazies", supports him. Yes, Obama has ties to Wall Street, the Eastern Establishment and the corrupt Chicago Daley machine - just like JFK did. But JFK fought the CIA/Mafia/Fascist network and their oil/arms/drug allies. Obama has called out the neocons by name, opposed their illegal wars, opposed most of their assaults on the Constitution and said we must destroy the Afghan heroin crop that fuels and funds these politically protected criminal-intel networks that were at the heart of the JFK murder and 9-11.
I voted Perot in 92/96 and Libertarian (Browne) in 2000. But with mixed feelings, I voted for, volunteered for, and fund raised for Obama and House Democrats this year because McCain and what he is part of must removed from power, as a first step. But I agree no real change will come until we get a third party grouped around Ventura/Paul.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2008, 06:01:31 AM » |
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It's pretty clear from those streams that he shouldn't be trusted anymore. Anyone who wastes his time covering that 'Obama victim' with the B on her cheek and using terms such as 'race baiting' is clearly spouting NPR-bull. He belongs on The Young Turks or TPM, not Alex Jones Show. |
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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2008, 09:34:15 AM » |
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I give up on the delusional duped and dupers.
Rivero supported Obama almost from the start, but has disingenuously and dishonestly continued with his "Oh they're both bad...but Obama.." deception. The rest of the time, when not indulging in this false hand-wringing, his ardent support for Obama comes through unambiguously.
So aswell as everything else, Rivero is treating his audience and readership (what's left of it) like idiots.
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2008, 11:05:26 AM » |
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It's pretty clear from those streams that he shouldn't be trusted anymore. Anyone who wastes his time covering that 'Obama victim' with the B on her cheek and using terms such as 'race baiting' is clearly spouting NPR-bull.
He belongs on The Young Turks or TPM, not Alex Jones Show.
Right on! I can't stand those young left gatekeepers. They make me puke. Are they still rude to 911 Truthers? A few years back when I was listening to Mike Malloy on Air America, I used to listen on occasion to the Young Turks and they were so far behind the 8 ball it wasn't funny. |
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2008, 02:44:41 PM » |
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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2008, 04:17:14 PM » |
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call me crazy but deep down i think obama is a good person, call it a gut feeling but i still have some faith in him.
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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2008, 05:10:35 PM » |
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I give up on the delusional duped and dupers.
Rivero supported Obama almost from the start, but has disingenuously and dishonestly continued with his "Oh they're both bad...but Obama.." deception. The rest of the time, when not indulging in this false hand-wringing, his ardent support for Obama comes through unambiguously.
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call me crazy but deep down i think obama is a good person, call it a gut feeling but i still have some faith in him.
Was he a good person when he and Tony Rezko were ripping off the blacks in the Chicago slums? http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/rezkos-slum-housing-obamas-district.htmlExcerpt from article---Incredulous, Martin wrote: "Obama's law firm represented Rezko in his sleazy slum landlord dealings" and Obama, a "presidential candidate works in a law firm that represents a major slum landlord and he 'knows nothing about the client? The slum landlord client has slum buildings in the then-state senator's district and the presidential candidate has no idea?" |
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2008, 05:33:20 PM » |
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call me crazy but deep down i think obama is a good person, call it a gut feeling but i still have some faith in him.
Con artists are called "artists" for a reason -- because they're able to play people's emotions as artfully and skillfully as a master violinist plays a fiddle. Bill Clinton had that gift. Obama has it too. That's part of why the elite picked him.  http://www.amazon.com/Barack-H-Obama-Unauthorized-Biography/dp/0930852915 |
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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2008, 12:58:23 AM » |
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wow hawk,, that is just what i hear from the little sheep who have a gut feeling about mccain, it gives me pause for great concern when I get a feeling in my stomach and usually is followed by a large pile of something that stinks.
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Let's just give Rivero a break. Alex still likes him, I still like him. He's a little goofy and that's what this whole Obam thing is about, there's some new rumor going around that MAYBE Obama is PLAYING the New World Order and that he MAY refuse to obey them. It's al bullsh_t OF COURSE, but maybe Rivero is buying in....It's ok, I like Mike.......... It IS KINDA weird to think I'M more awake than Mike Rivero. jeez If you're giving Rivero a pass, that's your biz--but I wouldn't define that as being awake. These may come in handy--  |
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« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2008, 02:17:55 PM » |
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I like Rivero. He thinks that Neocons are the biggest danger, and if you believe that, you would tend to vote for Obama over McCain.
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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2008, 11:46:46 AM » |
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I like Rivero. He thinks that Neocons are the biggest danger, and if you believe that, you would tend to vote for Obama over McCain.
Geez... So you're voting for Obama then? Does this mean that we can hold you, among others, responsible for what he will do for the world in the next four years? After all, if you are giving him your support, whatever he does, he will do in YOUR name, with YOUR support. That is what representative democracy is all about. You are not FORCED to vote for any of the two main candidates are you? How about a protest vote if you are displeased with the current system and/or candidates? |
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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2008, 01:40:32 PM » |
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Voting for Baldwin or Barr is valid. I voted Perot in 92/96 and Libertarian in 2000. This time, I feel McCain is so terrible, and backed, funded and advised by so many terrible people, on the issues of Iraq, Iran and the Constitution I feel there is enough difference that I voted for Obama.
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« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2008, 01:44:36 PM » |
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He's basically saying that he will support Obama because he is the "lesser of two evil".
I do NOT understand that kind of reasoning. How can you support anyone that is any kind of "evil"?
None of the above!
False left/right paradigm. Rivero is as guilty of it as is the OP. Using the word liberal. Ha, we are all liberals because we love liberty, individualism and the need to be left the eff alone by the government. We are all conservatives because we value our own traditions, morals and sense of place/participation in our society. But the elites have done the mass mind rape really well. You have to work hard and concentrate even harder to defeat the divisional programming in our minds. Put there by years of television, radio and group think. |
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« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2008, 01:49:51 PM » |
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Yes we all know Carroll Quigley and how the system is set up with two very similar parties. Both Dems and GOP support NAFTA, WTO, Fed, IRS, War on Drugs, Iraq War and most other issues. Yet given a choice between an establishment candidate who opposed the Iraq War, opposes attacking Iran and voted against suspending habeas - and a Bush clone who supports unlimited war against Iraq, Iran, Syria, Russia and voted for ending habeas, I choose to depart from my usual third party vote and voted for Obam. I know that is a minority position on here. Anybody else do as I did or leaning that way?
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Voting for Baldwin or Barr is valid. I voted Perot in 92/96 and Libertarian in 2000. This time, I feel McCain is so terrible, and backed, funded and advised by so many terrible people, on the issues of Iraq, Iran and the Constitution I feel there is enough difference that I voted for Obama.
Well today I voted for McKinney. I know everybody on here would rather vote for Baldwin or write in Ron Paul, but the reason I vote for McKinney is because of the way the Democratic Party treated her like shit over Troopergate. Cynthia McKinney would be a much better president than Obama or McCain. |
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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2008, 01:57:15 PM » |
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Yes we all know Carroll Quigley and how the system is set up with two very similar parties. Both Dems and GOP support NAFTA, WTO, Fed, IRS, War on Drugs, Iraq War and most other issues. Yet given a choice between an establishment candidate who opposed the Iraq War, opposes attacking Iran and voted against suspending habeas - and a Bush clone who supports unlimited war against Iraq, Iran, Syria, Russia and voted for ending habeas, I choose to depart from my usual third party vote and voted for Obam. I know that is a minority position on here. Anybody else do as I did or leaning that way?
Obama voted for FISA, Indian Nuclear Treaty, Telecoms Immunity, PATRIOT Act reauthorization, and for more military funding for the war he is supposedly against. For most of his votes he also didn't vote at all. One plus for him is he did vote against the Military Commissions Act. http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=9490 |
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« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2008, 02:21:28 PM » |
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Well today I voted for McKinney. I know everybody on here would rather vote for Baldwin or write in Ron Paul, but the reason I vote for McKinney is because of the way the Democratic Party treated her like shit over Troopergate. Cynthia McKinney would be a much better president than Obama or McCain.
Absolutely--voted for Mckinney myself. Anyone with the guts to ask the tough questions to scumbags like Rummy and his ilk--deserves our support. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1mpmh9RStwAnd she never turned her back on 911 Truth. |
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2008, 02:39:03 PM » |
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Perhaps Mike honestly does not give a shit about the Constitution. Just a thought - or he hasn't read Carrol Quigley's books and doesn't know it's all a scam - no matter who he votes for. |
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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2008, 07:19:29 PM » |
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Rivero has never seen this as the lesser of two evils.
He openly promotes Biden as a person who will "make good decisions". Rivero covered up for Biden's corruption recently saying they were "the usual political allegations" and tried to explain away Biden's comments about the challenge to Obama by saying that they were just "general non-specific remarks" stating the obvious - exactly Madeleine Albright's line.
He says Obama is far better than McCain and that he will "hold Obama to his promises". Ridiculous.
Rivero's views are Rivero's business however they may have destroyed his credibility, but my problem is that he has been so incredibly dishonest about them and still - even now - claims to be supporting neither but leaning to Obama. It is this dishonesty taint that will stick with him long after this election.
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Rivero has never seen this as the lesser of two evils.
He openly promotes Biden as a person who will "make good decisions". Rivero covered up for Biden's corruption recently saying they were "the usual political allegations" and tried to explain away Biden's comments about the challenge to Obama by saying that they were just "general non-specific remarks" stating the obvious - exactly Madeleine Albright's line.
He says Obama is far better than McCain and that he will "hold Obama to his promises". Ridiculous.
Rivero's views are Rivero's business however they may have destroyed his credibility, but my problem is that he has been so incredibly dishonest about them and still - even now - claims to be supporting neither but leaning to Obama. It is this dishonesty taint that will stick with him long after this election.
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Yeah its very dissapointing that he is really in love with Obama. If he wants to vote for him its fine but why does he post all that propaganda crap of him on the website? Those videos of celebrities groveling to Obama saying how good he is and aaah change for the better and all that crap. You vote counts so lets all vote for change... vote Obama. Every day half of his site is used on that BS propaganda. Its so sad.
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Obama “Naturnal Born” Suits Spread To Eight StatesOctober 26th, 2008
While a Philadelphia judge has thrown out Democrat activist Phil Berg’s lawsuit questioning the “natural born” status of US Presidential candidate Barack Obama, a total of eight similar lawsuits have popped up across the nation.
The suits, located in Hawaii, Washington state, California, Georgia, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio pose a serious threat to the credibilty of the Obama campaign, as questions surrounding the DNC and Obama campaign’s behavior in handling Berg’s original suit come to bear.
Responding to Berg’s lawsuit, the Obama campaign has already stated on its “Fight the Smears” website that Obama was a Kenyan citizen until 1982.
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Yeah its very dissapointing that he is really in love with Obama. If he wants to vote for him its fine but why does he post all that propaganda crap of him on the website? Those videos of celebrities groveling to Obama saying how good he is and aaah change for the better and all that crap. You vote counts so lets all vote for change... vote Obama. Every day half of his site is used on that BS propaganda. Its so sad.
The mesmerized Obama koolaid drinkers make me want to puke. This guy hasn't even won the election and I've about had all the hope and change I can stand for a lifetime. As far as I can tell, no one has ever been allowed to question anything about him throughout this campaign without being shut down. It's straight out of the Twilight Zone. Obama and his message of so-called hope and change never fooled me for even half a second. He's as phony as the day is long. |
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Yeah its very dissapointing that he is really in love with Obama. If he wants to vote for him its fine but why does he post all that propaganda crap of him on the website? Those videos of celebrities groveling to Obama saying how good he is and aaah change for the better and all that crap. You vote counts so lets all vote for change... vote Obama. Every day half of his site is used on that BS propaganda. Its so sad.
Well those celebrites care about nothing but themselves, their egos, their status, who they associate with, their connections, and their bling. Angelina Jolie does NOT give a rat's ass about the starving children in southeast Asia. She uses them for her own personal gain as a CFR member. She is one of the biggest whores for the NWO. And sadly, people like her will be running the FEMA camps and giving out the execution orders. |
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I'm starting to think Rivero is a disinfo agent hired to infiltrate the patriot movement.
His lead headline today is to some .pdf of a report the government put out ( in summer 2007 ) that, according to Rivero, 'debunks Loose Change'. http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/%E2%80%9Cloose-change%E2%80%9D-debunkedIs it new 'news' that the government is still supporting the official myth?  |
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