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« on: October 17, 2008, 03:50:53 AM »

    * Asia

Nikkei 225   8,693.82   +235.37   +2.78%
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Hang Seng   14,554.21   -676.31   -4.44%
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Straits Times   1,878.51   -72.69   -3.73%
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Hong Kong and Singapore indexes still down. Tokyo up but only slightly.


    * Europe

FTSE 100   3,921.72   +60.33   +1.56%
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DAX   4,657.01   +34.20   +0.73%
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CAC 40   3,219.82   +38.82   +1.22%

European stocks are manipulated by the European Central Bank injecting Tons of Euros in the market every single day.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 04:08:23 AM »

dow futures down


Oct 17 5:55am † Change %Change Level
 
 Dow -237.00 -2.64% 8,729.00
 NASDAQ -45.00 -3.40% 1,278.00
 S&P -27.50 -2.92% 913.50
 
 DJ Wilshire 5000 +389.01 +4.25% 9,549.42

Oct 17 5:52am† Change %Change Level
 
 FTSE +29.67 +0.77% 3,891.06
 DAX -5.37 -0.12% 4,617.44
 Nikkei +235.37 +2.78% 8,693.82
 
 U.S. Dollar vs Euro -0.0058 -0.43% 1.3422
 U.S. Dollar vs Yen -0.9400 -0.93% 0.0099

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 04:13:13 AM »

Why is the Euro constantly losing value against the US Dollar? I thought the US Dollar was going to collapse? Looks like quite the contrary.
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 04:19:20 AM »

Why is the Euro constantly losing value against the US Dollar? I thought the US Dollar was going to collapse? Looks like quite the contrary.

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The east is in the red
By Stefan Wagstyl

Published: October 16 2008 20:11 | Last updated: October 16 2008 20:11

When Lev Partskhaladze, a Ukrainian property developer, was preparing to float his company on the London stock market three years ago, he saw no end to his country’s home and office construction boom. Today, with cranes standing idle over Kiev building sites and property sales evaporating, he admits the global credit crunch is bringing the boom to a halt.

“We are seeing a financial crisis transforming into an economic crisis in the world. It has not fully hit Ukraine yet but it’s close,” says the chairman of XXI Century Investments. With its shares down 97 per cent from their peak, the company is trying to raise cash by offloading projects to other developers.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Comment: Panic passes but the causes remain - Oct-14John Gapper: Some blame lies closer to home - Oct-08Editorial Comment: Fighting the fire calls for boldness - Oct-07Editorial Comment: Russia finds it is in same sinking boat - Oct-07Analysis: Short shrift - Oct-05Analysis: Europe in it together - Oct-03Mr Partskhaladze is not alone in having to confront the region’s changed realities. Across central and eastern Europe, the global crisis is biting hard, albeit very unevenly. In Russia, the authorities have set aside nearly $200bn (£116bn, €149bn) for a financial market rescue, Ukraine is in talks with the International Monetary Fund over emergency loans of up to $14bn, Hungary was on Thursday bailed out with a €5bn ($6.7bn, £3.9bn) loan facility from the European Central Bank.

Below: Baltic states

Latvia and Estonia are suffering the region’s first recessions in a decade, while growth in oil-rich Kazakhstan has slowed to a crawl. Even in Poland, where Donald Tusk, the prime minister, insists his country is “an island of stability”, the crisis has raised doubts about Warsaw’s euro entry plans.

Stock markets have plunged accordingly, with Polish shares trading at less than half their peak levels and Ukraine’s down by three-quarters. Property markets have slowed, even if developers are still trying to hold up prices. After riding high earlier in 2008, some currencies have come under pressure, notably the Hungarian forint. In Ukraine, where the central bank has intervened to support the hryvnia, the credit default swap rate, a risk measure, has soared 1,400 points to 1,900, among the world’s worst.

Graphic: Forecasts for growth

The financial whipsaw has cut billionaires down to size, not least Oleg Deripaska, the Russian metals oligarch, who has sold valuable stakes to raise cash. Others are grabbing opportunities to buy cheaply: Mikhail Prokhorov, the Russian nickel investor, acquired 50 per cent of Renaissance Capital, a Moscow bank, for $500m – about one-quarter of its value of a year ago.

With the global crisis still raging, despite the calming effects of this week’s support moves in the US and the European Union, it is impossible to predict how events will play themselves out in a region increasingly important to the west as an export market and low-cost production base. But hopes it might escape unscathed have evaporated. Apart from corporate casualties, some countries could run into difficulties funding current account deficits. Erik Berglof, chief economist of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, says: “There is enormous uncertainty right now ... These countries could deal with rising borrowing costs and an economic slowdown coming from the US and western Europe, but a complete shutdown of international borrowing – nobody can withstand that.”

The result of this shock will, as in the west, increase the state’s role in the economy once more – and possibly provoke political conflicts over the share-out of scarce financial resources. As in the west, there could be public anger against those who profited from the boom years, often spectacularly so. Hungary, which first ran into economic trouble two years ago, has already experienced social tensions.

Economic growth is slowing sharply, with the IMF forecasting a decline in real gross domestic product growth for central and south-east Europe from 5 per cent this year to just 3.5 per cent in 2009. For Russia and the former Soviet Union, it predicts around 7 per cent for this year and 5.5 per cent for 2009.

By global standards, with the US and western Europe facing recession, these are respectable numbers. In non-crisis circumstances, a moderate slowdown would even have been welcome in some countries. Until the summer their main danger was overheating, with inflation running as high as 31 per cent in Ukraine. Thanks to bumper harvests, tumbling food costs are helping to curb consumer price rises but inflation is still high in some countries, notably Russia, with 15 per cent.

Also, the region as a whole is less exposed to financial turmoil because companies and households have mostly taken less credit than in the west. Raiffeisen International, the Austrian bank, says bank assets were just 90 per cent of GDP in 2007 in central Europe and 65 per cent in Russia, compared with 250 per cent in the eurozone.

But these generalisations conceal many country risks. As Jan Krzysztof Bielecki, chief executive of Poland’s Bank Pekao, says: “The development of the situation over the last few weeks has shown that there is nothing more mistaken than calling this a single region. The differences between Poland and Kazakhstan are like the difference between heaven and hell.”

A key danger is the region’s dependence on external finance, especially bank credit. According to the Institute of International Finance, total private capital and credit flows into “emerging Europe” (including Turkey) are likely to fall from a record $394bn last year to $322bn in 2008 and $262bn in 2009. Given that $262bn is still a high figure by historical standards, there is great scope for a much bigger drop. Within this total, bank credit is set to fall particularly fast, from $219bn in 2007 to $155bn in 2008 and just $74bn next year.

While foreign direct investment is forecast to increase modestly to nearly $90bn next year, it cannot compensate for the dramatic decline in bank lending. Nor will portfolio investment save the day: the flows are far too small, peaking last year at just $8.5bn.

The biggest financing needs are in Russia, where the central bank estimates $39bn in debt falls due this year and $116bn in 2009. Little wonder that bankers and oligarchs are queuing for credits the authorities are distributing from their $560bn in foreign exchange reserves. Russia is in no danger of default but banks are under pressure – with fears of a panic increasing this week after Globex, a midsized lender, banned depositors’ withdrawals.

If the crisis persists, even the wealthy Russian state will have to count its roubles. Relative to the size of the national economy, Moscow’s financial rescue package is bigger than the $700bn programme launched by the US. Russia’s budget spending is more than doubling to $586bn in 2010, just as the oil price has roughly halved from its peak. Further declines will put spending under pressure. But with inflation high, driving up pay and pensions, there is little scope for painless cuts, especially as Russia is committed to huge infrastructure projects, including the Sochi 2014 winter Olympics.

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In Ukraine, banks have also borrowed heavily overseas to finance credit growth and are struggling to refinance themselves. At the same time, the current account deficit is widening as prices for steel, Ukraine’s main export, plummet. So Kiev’s external financing needs are growing just as credit is short and foreign direct investment, a big source of finance in recent years, is slowing.

Ukraine’s authorities insist the economy is in good shape. The central bank has maintained order by taking control of one bank and supporting 20 other lenders. But efforts to ease the crisis are hampered by political turmoil, with president Viktor Yushchenko calling early parliamentary elections for December. Yulia Tymoshenko, prime minister, on Thursday confirmed Kiev was turning to the IMF, which she said was considering lending “$3bn-$14bn”.

In central and south-east Europe and the Baltic states, many economists assumed countries would be protected from the global storm because their banks’ finance came not from markets but from the multinational banks that have bought most local lenders. But as Mr Berglof of the EBRD says, with parent banks now under pressure, this assumption may no longer apply. “This strength is turning into a vulnerability,” he warns.

Individual banks deny they have plans to pull out. But they have been raising the costs of foreign exchange denominated loans, which account for around half of corporate and household lending in central Europe. This week, leading Hungarian banks cut such foreign exchange lending, in moves which on Wednesday precipitated the biggest daily drop in the forint in five years. On Thursday the currency rallied sharply after the authorities announced public support from the ECB – unprecedented for a country outside the eurozone – and liquidity boosting measures. Janos Veres, finance minister, says the IMF stands by to support Hungary but will intervene only in extremis.

Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia are in better economic condition than Hungary, having avoided the profligate public spending in which Budapest indulged until running into financial difficulties in 2006. The Czechs, with low local interest rates, are free of foreign exchange loans. But like Hungary, these countries are exposed to another painful shift – an expected steep decline in demand from western Europe. Slovakia, with its heavy dependence on a single industry – cars – is particularly vulnerable.

Except for Hungary, however, bankers are less concerned about central Europe than the Baltic states and south-east Europe, where current account deficits are high. All have relied heavily on a mix of foreign direct investment and credit for financing recent rapid growth. But with economies slowing, bankers wonder which countries can avoid a hard landing – or worse. Estonia and Latvia, which ran into financial difficulties even before the global crisis, are already in recession. Lithuania is not far behind. But at least Baltic current account deficits are falling, from 18 per cent of GDP on average last year to 8.6 per cent in 2009, according to the IMF.

In south-east Europe, the Fund predicts deficits to stay at 14 per cent next year, including 21.5 per cent for Bulgaria. “Action is needed to rein in rising external and internal imbalances, mindful of more volatile external financing conditions,” the IMF says But whether that action will come in time is a moot point. Analysts at Citigroup rank Romania and Bulgaria alongside the Baltic states, Hungary and Ukraine as countries vulnerable to “a risk to financial stability”.

As credit growth decelerates across the region, putting a brake on economies, current account deficits should decline as credit-financed imports fall. So soft landings are certainly well within reach. The difficulty comes in bridging the financing gaps that are bound to emerge in the most hostile financial conditions in 60 years. If there is a crumb of comfort, it is that these ex-communist states have more experience than most of implementing tough economic policies under pressure.

Additional reporting by Jan Cienski in Warsaw, Roman Olearchyk in Kiev and Thomas Escritt in Budapest

BALTIC STATES: Climate turns harsher but Icelandic conditions are a way off

The Baltic states appear at first sight to have all the ingredients to make as explosive a cocktail as Iceland, writes Robert Anderson. Easy credit, amassed since Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia joined the European Union in 2004, created housing bubbles and the highest inflation rates and current account deficits in the bloc.

Boom turned to bust at the end of last year, pushing Estonia and Latvia into recession and leaving households and the nations themselves heavily indebted. In Estonia, domestic credit soared to 95 per cent of 2007 gross domestic product from 51 per cent in 2003, while gross external debt almost doubled to 112 per cent of GDP.

Yet the Baltic states also have significant differences from Iceland. Estonia and Lithuania operate currency boards that fix their exchange rates against the euro and cover with foreign exchange reserves the amount of local currency in circulation. The Latvian central bank, which runs a euro peg system, has had to intervene to prop up the lat this month but its strong reserves have enabled it do so with ease.

The Baltic states have tended to run responsible budgets, while the countries’ banks have conspired to block hedge funds taking short positions on local currencies. Credit default swap spreads on Baltic state debt have widened significantly, signalling that they seen as are less safe than before, but this matters little so long as the nations do not need to borrow.

That may soon change, however, as slowing economic growth pushes budgets into deficit. Lithuania’s deficit looks set next year to breach the EU’s limit of 3 per cent of GDP and the government needs to make a €400m ($541m, £313m) bond issue when conditions permit. This will test investors’ appetite for Baltic risk.

Another big strength of the Baltic states compared with Iceland is that their banks are largely foreign owned – funded by solid Swedish lenders that have been less affected by the global financial crisis than their European peers. So far they have borne the pain of the Baltic slowdown without flinching, though questions remain over how long they can continue to do so.

Swedbank, which has more clients in the region than in Sweden, has seen its share price halve this year because of its Baltic exposure, cutting its valuation to just four times forecast earnings. The bank’s ratings were downgraded this month by all three big rating agencies, pushing up the cost of its wholesale funding.

Swedbank points out that Baltic unemployment remains low and there have been few company insolvencies or mortgage foreclosures so far. That is even though apartment prices in the Estonian capital, Tallinn, for example, have fallen by one-quarter since their peak in April last year. The bank is forecasting modest losses of 1.2 per cent of its Baltic loans next year, enough to halve its operating profit from its subsidiaries there.

Above all the Swedish banks remain conscious that they are responsible for keeping the Baltic economies running and that if they panic they will cause the deep and destabilising recessions that they fear. “A sudden shutdown [of credit] would cause a shock to the economy and significantly worsen the situation,” says Erkki Raasuke, head of Swedbank’s Baltic operations.

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US Futures & Markets Indicators     
Dec 2008 Change Level Last Update†   
 
S&P 500 -24.40 916.60 10/17 6:06am 
Fair Value  948.15 10/16 10:00pm
Difference*  -31.55 
 
NASDAQ -50.00 1273.00 10/17 6:02am 
Fair Value  1320.13 10/16 10:00pm
Difference*  -47.13 
 
Dow Jones -257.00 8709.00 10/17 6:01am
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Stock Gyrations May Roil Trading as 80 Million U.S. Options Set to Expire The U.S. stock market's wildest swings since 1929 may get even bigger as almost 80 million options expire today.



Stock Gyrations May Roil Trading as 80 Million Options Expire

By Jeff Kearns

Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. stock market's wildest swings since 1929 may get even bigger as almost 80 million options expire today.

Owners of the contracts on stocks, indexes and exchange- traded funds have until today's close to take advantage of the rights granted by the calls and puts they own. Investors are preparing for the possibility that market makers will boost volatility by buying and selling stock to hedge the risk of the option trades they have facilitated, according to Scott Nations, president of Fortress Trading Inc.

``I'd expect some fireworks,'' said Herb Kurlan, president of Vtrader Pro LLC, a San Francisco-based options and futures brokerage. ``The unwinding of positions is going to be more pronounced because of the high volatility.''

About a quarter of the approximately 337 million existing options expire today, according to Chicago-based Options Clearing Corp., which settles all trading of exchange-listed contracts and is the world's largest derivatives clearinghouse.

The Standard & Poor's 500 Index moved more than 1 percent in 10 of the 12 trading sessions in October, or 83 percent of the time, amid concern the global economy will enter a recession. That puts the benchmark index for U.S. stocks on track for the biggest swings since November 1929, when gains or losses of at least 1 percent occurred 88 percent of the time, according to S&P analyst Howard Silverblatt.

The most widely owned S&P 500 options expiring this week are October 1,150 puts. The S&P 500's 18 percent retreat from that strike price profited buyers of those contracts, which increased almost sixfold in value this month. Even after yesterday's 4.3 percent surge, the index has slumped 22 percent in three weeks.

Market Makers Hedge Risk

``There could be significant volatility as market makers who are short the options try to hedge that risk,'' said Nations, president of Fortress Trading, a Chicago-based firm that trades options and futures. ``If you're short puts as the market goes down, you have to sell more of the underlying, and if it goes up, you have to buy more back.''

The market already proved volatile yesterday. The S&P 500 jumped 9 percent from its low to its high, the ninth consecutive session that the trough and peak were more than 5 percent apart. The average difference this year is 2.2 percent, compared with 1.2 percent in 2007 and 0.8 percent in 2006.

The Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, a measure of expected share-price swings and option prices, surged to an intraday record 81.17 yesterday. It dropped 2.4 percent to 67.61 at the close of trading.

`All Hands on Deck'

``We're going to have all hands on deck'' for today's trading, said Joseph Cusick, senior market analyst at OptionsXpress Holdings Inc., a Chicago-based online brokerage. ``There's a possibility it could be explosive, but it should be relatively orderly.''

Last week, the number of options traded in 2008 surpassed the full-year record of 2.86 billion contracts set last year, according to the OCC. U.S. trading of exchange-listed options began in 1973 at the CBOE.

October options on the S&P 500 and other stock indexes finished trading yesterday. The settlement price for those contracts will be determined by today's first trade. For S&P 500 options, which are the most actively traded U.S. contracts, about 24 percent of the total open interest of 17.6 million expires today, according to the CBOE.

Contracts on stocks and ETFs continue trading through today's close.

``We're going to be in for a wild ride,'' said Michael Nasto, the senior trader at U.S. Global Investors Inc., which manages $6 billion in San Antonio. ``It's going to be like going to Coney Island.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Jeff Kearns in New York at jkearns3@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 17, 2008 00:01 EDT

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TAX INCREASES OF 37-78% ??

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The General Accounting Office (GAO) has issued a sobering picture of the future economic condition of the United States, a scenario where a full economic collapse is inevitable, with the only remaining questions being "how and when the nation’s current imprudent and unsustainable path will end."

The faster the US begins to address this problem the easier it will be to correct it, says the GAO report. The present course of the "ship of state" is to ignore warnings that "economic icebergs lie ahead," a course which will result in unprecedented tax increases (37–78%).

The 14-page GAO report, which reveals a disconnect between politicians and economic reality (and can be read online), is written in government-speak and is more easily understood when translated into plain language.

Discretionary spending

The term "discretionary spending" used by the GAO is simply one-time spending the US Congress votes, such as add-ons to the war budget, which affect the overall federal budget in that year. For example, the $700 billion economic bailout of the financial industry is an off-budget item. The 2005 $2.08 trillion Federal budget had $402 billion added in off-budget spending.

From fiscal 1995 through fiscal year 2000 all additions to the Federal budget totaled $21 billion. For comparison, supplemental spending since the start of fiscal 2001 thru 2006 (the GW Bush years) was $577 billion.

This means a balanced budget, even if attained, is subverted by add-on spending bills in Congress. It’s like dieting all year and losing 20 pounds and then engorging yourself with food in the last 2 weeks of the year and gaining it all back, and still bragging you lost all that weight. Congressional representatives can then boast they authored budget-balancing legislation that was passed, but forget to mention that their budget cuts on paper later became meaningless because of off-budget "discretionary" spending.

Voting for cost reductions, then rescinding them

"Alternative simulation" is a term used by GAO in its report to describe what Congress does annually, such as reverse the legislated 5% annual cut in Medicare physicians fees, which makes any budget-cutting legislation simply become lip service.

Under current law, physician payments are scheduled to be reduced by 10 percent in 2008 and 2009 and by 5 percent for nearly every year from 2010 through 2016. The GAO report says: "In practice, Congress is virtually certain to prevent some or all of the scheduled reductions through new legislation, as it has for 2003 through the first half of 2008."

Medicare costs dwarf other budget items

The growth in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and interest on debt held by the public dwarfs the growth in all other types of spending. Already the first members of the baby boom generation have begun receiving Social Security retirement benefits and in 2011 will become eligible for Medicare benefits. A $75 trillion budget shortfall is predicted just for Social Security and Medicare. Medicare costs represent $62 trillion of that shortfall.

Unless something is done to change the current disease-care system into a true preventive health care system, the country will become insolvent. Currently, preventive medicine is a subterfuge where colonoscopies, mammograms, PSA tests, etc. are performed to find more disease to treat and bill Medicare, not to cut healthcare costs. Expensive new medical technology must be replaced by 10-cent cures, such as vitamin D, folic acid, fish oil, vitamin C, and resveratrol. Modern medicine is taking no steps in this direction.

Fortunately, medical costs are soaring to the point where Americans can’t afford health insurance and consumers will likely be forced to search for alternatives, such as ways to avoid doctoring and insurance altogether by staying healthy. The healthcare industry knows this and is pushing for universal health insurance which is designed to benefit doctors and drug companies, not consumers.

Another government give-away will obviously raise taxes

The public doesn’t understand this money grab and believes their medical bills will be covered with passage of a universal health insurance package, not recognizing their tax bill will rise overall and that their country is headed for insolvency even without universal health care. Passing legislation like universal health care, that will further impoverish the American people, should not even be on the legislative agenda. This is no time for more government entitlements.

Also, with Medicare, there is no incentive for consumers to save money and only incentives to "get services you have been paying for all your life."

Health plans in league with pharmaceutical companies have collaborated to produce drug plans that cost consumers only $1 in out-of-pocket costs per prescription, but presents exorbitant costs to Medicare since Congress refuses to mandate competitive bidding for medications. Less problematic dietary supplements, which more appropriately address the cause of disease, cost ten to twenty times more than prescription drugs in out-of-pocket costs because Medicare does not pay for vitamins.

Increase taxes or cut costs?

To balance the budget in the year 2040, federal revenue as a share of Gross Domestic Product would have to increase by one-third or non-interest federal spending would have to be cut by one-quarter. Don’t count on Congress being able to significantly cut any Federal spending. It’s not their modus operandi.

Congress could significantly reduce Federal debt if it had the resolve to cut military spending, which represents 54% of the current federal budget ($1.449 trillion a year according to the War Resisters League). Yet the moment defense spending is cut, critics claim the country is not adequately supporting its troops in war zones.

By the year 2040, if changes in federal individual income taxes were the sole means used to balance the budget, taxes would have to increase by almost 60 percent in that year, says the GAO report. The "worst-case" scenario shows a $54 trillion budget shortfall requiring a 78.3% increase in individual income taxes. At this point, the Federal government takes so much tax from wage earners that the country becomes a socialist state. The idea that America is a capitalist country becomes a thing of the past.

Voters haven’t the gumption to throw the bums out

Many taxpayers are dismayed that the most developed country in the world has so rapidly become "the late, great United States of America." The financial minister in Germany says "the United States will lose its status as the superpower in the world financial system."

Despite this, Congressmen are still tacking on "earmarks" to other spending bills for pet projects as well as voting for the $700 billion financial industry bailout with money it either has to borrow from foreign governments or print at the inflationary printing press. Yet the public keeps them in office.

There is a huge disconnect between voters and Congress. Congress has a dismal 15% approval rating, but Senators and Representatives keep getting re-elected. Better than 9 of 10 incumbent Congressional candidates are elected to office, despite the gloomy state of the economy.

According to a recent Gallup poll, just 36% of U.S. registered voters say most members of Congress deserve re-election. Furthermore, in the past 16 years, never more than 58% of voters have said most members of Congress deserve re-election, but election after election the incumbents win.

The masses would rather point fingers at the opposing political party rather than fix the problems. Both sides of the political aisle are to blame for the nation’s financial mess.

For example, Democrats Chris Dodd and Barney Frank claimed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were financially sound in July, while both financial organizations were cooking their books to overinflate their value by $28 billion and $36 billion respectively and were hiding tens of thousands of home loan foreclosures. Christopher Cox, the Republican appointee to the Securities and Exchange Commission, admits failure of a self-regulatory program over financial institutions. And the chief law enforcement officer of the republic, the President, blamed Wall Street for its greed, but did nothing to stop it in 8 years in office. In fact, the Executive Branch bailed out the crooks and sent the bail-bondsman’s bill to the taxpayers.

The news media ignored the only Presidential candidate who had a solid fiscal policy (the end of fiat money and fractional banking and the introduction of gold-backed currency) in Ron Paul. Outside of Lou Dobbs at CNN and MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, there are few main TV network journalists who have expressed outrage over the present lack of leadership in the country. Without the public embracing a third-party candidate, the nation is left with the two main political parties who only give lip service to the idea of change.

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Oct 17 8:51am † Change %Change Level
 
 Dow -161.00 -1.80% 8,805.00
 NASDAQ -27.50 -2.08% 1,295.50
 S&P -15.80 -1.68% 925.20
Oct 17 8:46am† Change %Change Level
 
 FTSE +72.25 +1.87% 3,933.64
 DAX +71.62 +1.55% 4,694.43
 Nikkei +235.37 +2.78% 8,693.82
 
 U.S. Dollar vs Euro -0.0042 -0.31% 1.3438
 U.S. Dollar vs Yen -0.7600 -0.75% 0.0099
*NYMEX Crude Oil -4.69 -6.71% 69.85
 Gold -21.50 -2.67% 783.00
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 07:11:52 AM »

What bothers me about all this is that it is always the crooks and criminals politicians and their big business people friends who get out without any trouble living incredibly posh lifestyles even in the worst of financial situations while us we have to scrimp and save and struggle and deprive ourselves of most of the things we like.

Looks like it will never change. The time of Castro and Che Guevara and revolutions are long over. A good 98% of the world wide population is sheepy and totally brainwashed by the TV channels and media. The 2% leftover are too few numbers to change anything. The creepy leaders know it.  Angry
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 07:26:32 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 08:15:49 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 09:46:35 AM »

Those tax increases are nothing that the average joe couldnt predict. So, the country has a debt of 10 trillions... someone has to pay for it... and it wont be the wealthiest, but the pawns of this game... you and me!
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 10:59:48 AM »

PPT is working hard today..

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 11:13:20 AM »

Those tax increases are nothing that the average joe couldnt predict. So, the country has a debt of 10 trillions... someone has to pay for it... and it wont be the wealthiest, but the pawns of this game... you and me!

When is the "average Joe" going to go to the streets and revolt against this treachery?
What are they waiting for to start revolting? Are they going to wait until they are crushed down to their bones?
Or maybe they are all totally masochistic and they are all enjoying their present condition and they are all happy about the prospect of paying three times more taxes?
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 11:44:29 AM »

When is the "average Joe" going to go to the streets and revolt against this treachery?
What are they waiting for to start revolting? Are they going to wait until they are crushed down to their bones?
Or maybe they are all totally masochistic and they are all enjoying their present condition and they are all happy about the prospect of paying three times more taxes?

1- maybe never
2- probably
3- Ostrich syndrome
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 11:52:28 AM »

When is the "average Joe" going to go to the streets and revolt against this treachery?
What are they waiting for to start revolting? Are they going to wait until they are crushed down to their bones?
Or maybe they are all totally masochistic and they are all enjoying their present condition and they are all happy about the prospect of paying three times more taxes?

Who do they revolt against? Burn the exchange down? Sure and then we wake up in hardcore martial law.
What are they waiting for? Comfort is still to be had. The Revolution of 1776 was preceded by years of economic hardship brought about by the Bank of Englands policies of ruination.
Yuppies enjoy their enslavement. Instead of wondering when the people (and you) get to jump off, maybe be active with your time now. Sabotage things at work, spray paint the walls, plaster Truth stickers on the police cars, the metro buses, take out ads in the local rags with a Bush/Cheney Wanted for War Crimes poster, hand out free dvd's explaining the problem.

The possibilities are only limited by the creativity and drive in your own mind.

Flex your head.
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 12:37:35 PM »

oh yeah the PPT is working up a sweat today spending more of our hard earned tax dollars to bail out the Rich F##ks!!

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 12:45:30 PM »

Nailer, I think the PPT might have taken a break.
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