Zeitgeist Addendum - Theosophy, Socialism, and The new NWO

[Michal Ptacnik]

... and once there is the potentiality for a higher technology and even higher sociological concepts (e.g. people seeing themselves actually as "once race" as opposed to nations), there is not comming back without tyranny applied at least on the human mind, more likely over the broad spectrum, be it a high tech one, or a luddite one. In other words, without a destructive fiat aimed against the human nature (or it's natural effects), however little we might think of it in it's current state.

[EvadingGrid]

A technocratic society . . . . etc . . .

Got some more bad news.

I was a fully time research scientist, so your still at risk of being ruled by my good self. Common sense and my posting record should persuade you that is an inherently bad idea.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Got some more bad news.

I was a fully time research scientist, so your still at risk of being ruled by my good self. Common sense and my posting record should persuade you that is an inherently bad idea.

I know several research scientists and I would MUCH rather be ruled by them, ruled as in legalistically ruled, than by the current garniture.

That said, I would not be ruled by you, I would be ruled by The People as in a Democratic Republic and by the numbers that you would produce that would form the decisional basis for the self rule of The People. There is a big difference between just being a "cog in the machine" and being the "head honcho," right? Now I don't like the concept of there ever being cogs in the machine of people any more than you do but it is necessary in this day and age, see my post.

Of course corruption is very much possible in this system, corruption that is in part compatable, in part will have to happen, but so is the current system corruptible and corrupt and no one complains... so loudly as so the politicians would actually be obliged to do something really significant with it. The Checks and Balances the Control of the People, the Market, all of this DOES NOT WORK, or rather, does not work ANYMORE. Get over it.

It is still better than anything that we ever had before, granted, and even the beginnings of the NWO will be better than anything we had before in turn, but that does not mean we just have to fell in praises and stop thinking, as the Ancient Greeks liked, to about "which things should change?" It is, in short, not working compared to what we could have if we invested a bit of efford and open mind into these things. No less and certainly no more. Politics is not everything. We just have to make sure politics does not kill us, and now ew are threatened by just that by the system breakdown crysis. The solution must be a new one (since old situations are past and with them old solutions), and the scientific-democratic technocratic republic based in part on ZTM ideas, part on their common sense modifications (assume that all people are crooks in potential) is the best bet IMO, in this high tech day and age and for the near future.

This I call "out globalizing the globalists."

[Novus Ordo]

There is evidence that we are starting to adopt more of a ‘spherical reasoning’ but getting the average Joe to reject the pyramid is long way off I fear.

[Michal Ptacnik]

There is evidence that we are starting to adopt more of a ‘spherical reasoning’ but getting the average Joe to reject the pyramid is long way off I fear.

True. That is why I believe that we have already lost, in a sense, at least on the big level; if the best the Resistance can come up with is to return to warring nation states, they are not dangerous to the Dark Side which had used these in the past with great success anyways.

There will have to be an external change and even that won't be probably enough, and enough even for a reasonable victory, let alone a true victory; only a truly divine intervention can help with that.

But if the information spreads, if the old "gods" of capitalism and nationalism are dead and burried then, when the new gods of so called socialism and elitism are moribund and not crowned and conquering like they are now, we might start over, in a better way. Meanwhile, we could develop pockets of "holographic" government regionally without breaking the laws and later, when the laws tighten, we could move to the fringes of the world, and wait. This is what I believe we could do IF there is enough energy in the world to move this way.

[EvadingGrid]

True. That is why I believe that we have already lost, in a sense, at least on the big level; if the best the Resistance can come up with is to return to warring nation states, they are not dangerous to the Dark Side which had used these in the past with great success anyways.

These warring states was only ever like that because of the Parasitic Elites, with the insane occult belief in Sacrifice and Culling The Herd. Secondly, those states not controled by The Evil Ones, was run by tyrannts who used the Machivellian tactic of creating external enemies to prevent popualr uprisings.

Without these loonies, I see absolutely no reason why these states would ever wish to go to war.

[Michal Ptacnik]

I do. Nations. Fear. Religions. Greed. Famine. Too many males. These things breed warlords, warlords + wrong ethical system (emphasis on bravery, etc.) breed wars. Succesful wars breed empires and empires breed elites. Sorry, it's just the way it is. The same problem really is with capitalism. In 19th century it was quite OK, sans the famine, dying "have nots" but let's ignore that for the moment. The real problem was that within the system of capitalism there is already the seed of it's eventual turn into fascism. When there is abundance, resources and power is going to gravitate, and political power must follow the real, economic power.

Sorry, but states, even capitalism can not work after there is an X amount of infrastructure+people+technology. I am all about regional administration, that is well and good and even Zeitgeist positive, but these regions must not be able to bear arms above "machine gun in every family." That is healthly. Abrams tanks and explosives are not. And you have to have someone to enforce that.... all the way to the top where there has to be a slow enough, yet brilliant enough power center, or connected power centers or chaos will rule instead. The ol' man Bush WAS right, the best lie is when you speak 99% of truth and 1% of lethal deception.

IF people behaved like some people I know in real life, who would absolutely never go to war, who are really all into brotherly love and helping mankind, and all the people were like this, then yes, we would not need "the Man at the top." Look around you and tell me if it is so. Even if we did set less draconian prerequisites, say, where are the millions of people protesting war in principle? Where are the Parades to Disarm the Army? The Comitee to End All Debt? The Union to Help Nigeria? Sorry I would not right now feel safe in a place where nation states would be the top of the power structure.

[Kilgore Trout]

There is evidence that we are starting to adopt more of a ‘spherical reasoning’ but getting the average Joe to reject the pyramid is long way off I fear.

That is quite a way to put it , very interesting.