Zeitgeist Addendum - Theosophy, Socialism, and The new NWO

[nowhere to run]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoKTmtoJQWA
Weird Illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist

Timing is everything.
On September 29, the United States stock market crashed, falling 777 points. Just in time for the fallout, a worldwide financial collapse, the movie Zeitgeist Addendum was released. The film, right on cue, explains the obvious, how a flawed financial system failed, and how it exploited the hard work, savings and investments of all of those that lost their money to this system. It simultaneously heaps blame on free markets and religion, while calling for a global shift in consciousness.

This new paradigm is of course an old paradigm. It’s an open call for socialism. One need look no further than Karl Marx to see the parallels between Zeitgeist Addendum’s linking a distaste for free markets and religion. This should set off some rather loud alarm bells in the minds of patriotic and freedom loving Americans.

Most of those that have been actively observing the global elite have likewise understand that a pre-planned financial crash has been in the works for some time. Nickolas Sarozky president of the EU says he wants a new global economic system to rise out of the ashes of this crash which, in his own words is expressed as a "new world.” order.

Zeitgeist Addendum seems to further the cause for this New World Order, neo-socialist paradigm. With America politicians and representatives ignoring the masses and passing off the debt of banks on to the general public, one can see the seeds of new world socialism emerging right here in America. It’s no coincidence that just as the New World Order beings implementing marxist thought in so called free countries, Zeitgeist Addendum shows up to incite the masses in a global call for marxism.

If one should prefer to save 2 hours and skip watching Zeitgeist Addendum, its proposals are clearly spelled out in a relatively unknown book entitled “The Externalization of the Hierarchy” written by Alice Bailey. Actually Bailey claimed to have channeled an “Ascended Master” known as “the Tibetan” or Djwhal Khul who penned the book through her.

Bailey was also the founder of the theosophical Lucifer Trust (later changed to Lucis Trust). Please note, that the solution to the faltering global economy offered by Zeitgeist Addendum is "The Venus Project." Venus, also known as the morning star is synonymous with the term Lucifer.

Some of the highlights from Bailey’s The Externalization of the Heirarchy include the following:

"The problem of money will have to be faced; the problem of the distribution of wealth - whether natural or human - will need careful handling and a compromise reached between those nations which possess unlimited resources and those who have few or none; the problem of the varying forms of national government must be faced with courage and insight; the restoration - psychological, spiritual and physical - of mankind must constitute a primary responsibility. The sense of security must be put on a firm basis - the basis of right relationship, and not the basis of force. Men must feel secure because they are seeking to develop international goodwill and can trust each other, and are not therefore dependent upon the strength of their armies and fleets."

For those that have seen Zeitgeist Addendum, this should sound familiar, as it is the basis for the
entire film.

Bailey’s EOTH also includes specifics as to the nature of the New World Order and the following are just some of the links between Bailey’s work and Zeitgeist Addendum:

“The new world order will recognize that the produce of the world, the natural resources of the planet and its riches, belong to no one nation but should be shared by all. There will be no nations under the category "haves" and others under the opposite category. A fair and properly organized distribution of the wheat, the oil and the mineral wealth of the world will be developed, based upon the needs of each nation, upon its own internal resources and the requirements of its people. All this will be worked out in relation to the whole.”

“The new world order will be founded on the recognition that all men are equal in origin and goal but that all are at differing stages of evolutionary development; that personal integrity, intelligence, vision and experience, plus a marked goodwill, should indicate leadership. The domination of the proletariat over the aristocracy and bourgeoisie, as in Russia, or the domination of an entrenched aristocracy over the proletariat and middle classes, as has been until lately the case in Great Britain, must disappear. The control of labor by capital or the control of capital by labor must also go.” 

“In the new world order, the governing body in any nation should be composed of those who work for the greatest good of the greatest number and who at the same time offer opportunity to all, seeing to it that the individual is left free. Today the men of vision are achieving recognition, thus making possible a right choice of leaders. It was not possible until this century.” 

“The new world order will be founded on an active sense of responsibility. The rule will be "all for one and one for all." This attitude among nations will have to be developed. It is not yet present.”
 

 “In the preparatory period for the new world order there will be a steady and regulated disarmament. It will not be optional. No nation will be permitted to produce and organize any equipment for destructive purposes or to infringe the security of any other nation. One of the first tasks of any future peace conference will be to regulate this matter and gradually see to the disarming of the nations.” 

“These are the simple and general premises upon which the new world order must begin its work. These preliminary stages must be kept fluid and experimental; the vision of possibility must never be lost, and the foundations must be preserved inviolate, but the intermediate processes and the experimentations must be carried forward by men who, having the best interests of the whole at heart, can change the detail of organization whilst preserving the life of the organism.”

One should first take into consideration the many similarities between Bailey and the marxist propaganda espoused in Zeitgeist Addendum. It is then a much simpler task to view the film’s open call for global socialism as one and the same as the New World Theosophical religious and social order being so aptly adhered to by the high level occultists that are, in fact the global elite.
In doing so, the following information should come as no shock and simply, further proof of collusion between two seemingly opposite groups. As you can see, they are no more opposite than Republican and Democrat. Outwardly so yes, but certainly behind the scenes both are controlled by the same invisible hand.

The Venus Project which has already in name been linked to Lucifer, is obviously a socialist movement. Founded by Jacque Fresco, upon first glance it may appear similar to one of the multitude of ill fated hippy communes of the 1960’s. But upon further study, it too is rooted in the same NWO/Occult/Theosophical belief structure.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.”

This is exactly what Bailey wrote of in The Externalization of the Hierarchy. The links between The Venus Project and the essence of Secret Societies does however run even deeper than the call for a communistic sharing of world resources.

33rd degree masonic author Manley P Hall said of America’s link to the new Atlantis, “The New Atlantis sets forth an ideal government of the earth. It foretells that day when in the midst of men there shall rise up a vast institution composed of the philosophic elect -- an order of illumined men banded together for the purpose of investigating the laws of life and the mysteries of the universe … The age of boundaries is closing, and we are approaching a nobler era when nations shall be no more; when the lines of race and caste shall be wiped out; when the whole earth shall be under one order, one government, one administrative body." -Manly P Hall "Lectures on
Ancient Philosophy," published by the Philosophical Research Society Inc, Los Angeles (1970)”

Hall, along side of Rosicrucians like Francis Bacon, clearly defined the New World Order’s drive to recreate Atlantis, and this theme clearly “resurfaces” in Fresco’s “architecture”, specifically in his “Circular City”. (pictured on the right)


The Circular City image (above) is one that is notably comparable to artistic visions of Atlantis based upon Plato’s description of the sunken city (below).



Another warning sign of Fresco’s New World Order mentality is
his desire to see technology steering mankind’s destiny. Many
patriots shiver at the idea of biometric identification, specifically
the idea of implantable microchips that could be used to track and
control humans in ways up until recently only envisioned in the
Bible. Fresco’s vision for the future of humanity goes well beyond
that of a simple microchip implant. He foresees humanity needing
to merge with machine or else risk de-evolution.

“When biological technology becomes further advanced, human beings as we know them, will become a modified species. If we as human beings fail to include the possibility of this development in our overall, social evolution we will witness the decline of our species” -Jacque Fresco The Best that Money Can’t buy, Beyond Politics, Poverty, & War.

These are not mere coincidences. While seemingly “revolutionary” in thought, Fresco and his school of thought as espoused by the Zeitgeist vision of rebellion against the system are part and parcel of the same social upheaval being called for, not by humanitarians, but by those that have
been planning for the New World Order from it’s earliest stages.

It should also be noted that Zeitgeist Addendum begins and ends with speaking from Krisnamurti who was raised from boyhood by the Theosophical Society to be a "world teacher". Even though he broke from the group after declining to be the messiah he maintained a friendly relationship by most accounts.

 This is not unlike others within the “Truth Movement” such as Michael Tsarion, who openly admits he was, from an early age taught by theosophist if not raised by them. his connections to the group are quite interesting.

This peculiar affinity with the occult is nothing out of the ordinary with Zeitgeist. Part 1 of the initial Zeitgeist film was based on the work of a man that loved theosophy so much he apprently named himself Jordan Maxwell after Helena Blavatsky's "Jordanus Maximus". (see also Debunking Jordan Maxwell)


Before discounting the political power of Theosophy and its desire to infiltrate the truth seekers you need to understand its concept of seed groups. These groups were sent forth to work in stealth so as to be nurtured without competition from those that would see them for what they truly are. When one wonders how or why anyone offering truth about the occult could in fact be
part of the New World Order, they need look no further than Alice Bailey.

One of the most specific goals of the theosophist, as dictated in The Externalization of the Hierarchy is the following:

“The education of the advanced thinkers, of the aspirants and world disciples in applied knowledge, expressed wisdom and occult understanding. This group synthesizes all that is available in the other two groups and thus forms the nucleus of the Kingdom of God, of the fifth kingdom which is so rapidly coming into being.”

According to the Theosophy, starting with it’s founder Blavatsky, god is really Lucifer. This is luciferian theology, not Christian doctrine.

“The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas, in the Bible he is called the "Son of God", the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer. There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (Lucifer), the "Luminous Son of the Morning," or man- vantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma. -Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine

Zeitgeist Addendum held over one central theme from its predecessor, that Jesus was and is just another name for all of the other gods of antiquity. Unfortunately in Zeitgeist’s extensive reference material webpage and/or reference book there is nothing that specifically backs up any of these claims.
If you can prove the claims in Part 1 of
Zeitgeist, by all means follow the links and win yourself some money.
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Challenge.html
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

There is actually a good reason why theosophy wants to particularly discredit this on particular religion this youtube video by a non-christian sums it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY

It should be noted that any critical thinker can’t help but to agree with many of the practical points and issues raised in the Zeitgeist Addendum. It is however, so very important to be cautious about who we as truth seekers run to while trying to seek understanding in these confusing times.

The key to understanding why the New World Order has chosen to expose itself lies in Bailey’s Externalization of the Heirarchy.

“The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.”

You know about Bohemian Grove. You know the signs and symbols that prove the elitists working towards a New World Order are part of a luciferian death cult. Now you need to ask yourself why those working to expose the New World Order are also linked to the same luciferian and occult beliefs.

The New World Order seems to have emerged to play the scapegoat for the order that will follow it. This second world order is the Theosophists’ Kingdom of God. Blavatsky told us who their god is. It is Lucifer. And how better a way to have a luciferian antichrist arrive on the scene, to be taken seriously by all as he crushes the New World Order, seemingly rescuing all of humanity
from the clutches of its tyrannical all seeing eye.

Some more interesting articles on Zeitgeist 2 Addendum

Zeitgeist 2 propagandizing natural law!!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1439;sa=showPosts

Zeitgeist Addendum = Steaming Pile of NWO Propaganda
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/67072

Alex Jones Tv:Zeitgeist Addendum"The Review"1/3
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko[/media]

My take on Zeitgeist: Addendum and The Venus Project.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread399375/pg1

[Biggs]

Google video made by No Where to Run - well worth a watch

Zeitgeist 2 Addendum is NWO Propaganda - 14 min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8780948378423258789

[toto]

This is not unlike others within the “Truth Movement” such as Michael Tsarion, who openly admits he was, from an early age taught by theosophist if not raised by them. his connections to the group are quite interesting.

That link with all the *******'s in it doesn't work - Is there another one?

Thanks.

[EasyMoney]

Here's a link to Google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=XVYOSeuvLpOwrAKmzoy0DQ&q=zeitgeist&hl=en

[snafu]

simma down nawh

[nustada]

Thanks for this post, the board has been infected with dis info agents pushing that stuff.

I think it is interesting where the go to "externalize the hierarchy".

[Mustard911]

I'm very concerned with the makers of this series.  They have the good meal, but it includes poison.   

[spudpeel]

I think theres a good deal of intolerance on this board. You would normally let people be free to discuss their visions of a better world but for some reason anyone thinking of a New World Order gets made to look evil. Do people not consider that the makers of Zeitgeist are not going to stamp on everyone in order to bring in their new model of the world, or that they are probably moral people. By all means criticise things you do not agree with but give people a chance to free their minds.

[dissident99]

Holy $h1t !!

And to think that I started the wakeup movement with the film .. You think I did more damage than good ??

[Djævlen]

Holy $h1t !!

And to think that I started the wakeup movement with the film .. You think I did more damage than good ??

not at all. Z1 arguably woke up more people than any one of AJ films. not being critical, just stating my opinion. if people are truly awake, they can see through any NWO propaganda (if it really does exist) in ZII.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Zeitgeist is not NWO. NWO is slavery under corporations, it is the military industrial complex, it is profit making on the back of others and it is the paradigm of lies that is created by the elites. Zeitgeist is none of these things. Zeitgeist shows a viable, rational and very positive alternative to the wrong system of today and to distopia of tomorrow.

The NWO has hijacked ideas like globalism, one world, etc., but that does not mean the ideas themselves are evil. Transhumanism is being misused by the globalists, but that does not mean that the idea of progress through ingenuity is, or ever will be evil. To think that is to abandon the concept of the free man and to espouse the notion of our extreme immaturity as a species, our absolute inability to make a better word, however great the effort. It calls for someone wise to "do things for us."
If anything, technopessimism should be feared as a tool of the NWO, as it opens doors to servitude under those who "know better."

[Mike Philbin]

Zeitgeist has contentious EUGENICS connotations...

NWO has contentious PROFIT connotations...

FREE PLANET is the only valid option for global continuity of our species via consideration for the planet as a whole.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Free Planet is the ultimate goal, but there are steps that must be taken in order to accomplish the goal. Zeitgeist is a possible outlining of some of these steps.

Ad eugenics, since rational control of a process is superior to randomness in it according to human nature, I wonder if even on a free planet we won't end up with some form of eugenics. But most likely it will be accomplished through micro genetics and foetal manipulations, which, unlike macro genetics (think Hitler), really do work and really can improve mankind without atrocities.

[Mike Philbin]

I don't know - I was actually thinking of using TECHNOLOGY to make floating cities ... so that we could raze all property to the ground and REWILD the Earth and its oceans ... I was alternatively thinking of making personal FORCEFIELDS so that a person could still live down in the REWILDED zoo, these forcefields could congomerate when he was near others who also had them. I don't really think we need to discuss the numbers of humans on the planet just yet simply because that mentality's communal legacy -think from back when farming commmunities needed loads of kids to carry on the work because it was dangerous and the financial rewards were minimal due to the PROFIT structure of modern finance.

Once we realise that Free Planet is where we should all be, our minds will alter and concerns about the numbers of people on our planet will remedy themselves because we'd be doing it for our planet. 

I'm wondering if any radical idea is gonna get labelled NWO on this forum. It's like we're already VERY SUSPICIOUS of anything involving technology and alternative thought. I know, we've earned our paranoia but it's getting a little tiring having to be afraid of shit all the time.

I want my technological universe where love and creativity flourish - I'm sick of hating the NWO because of their criminal tendencies   and not wanting to blossom as a race who loves his Planet.

Ad eugenics, since rational control of a process is superior to randomness in it according to human nature, I wonder if even on a free planet we won't end up with some form of eugenics. But most likely it will be accomplished through micro genetics and foetal manipulations, which, unlike macro genetics (think Hitler), really do work and really can improve mankind without atrocities.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Just a reality check: Forcefields, as in Star Trek, don't seem to be possible according to modern science. Gravitics, on the other hand, is more plausible.

But yeah, you speak straight to my soul. I totally agree with a one world scientific utopia that would be about life and not about hoarding riches; about freedom and not servitude for false money. The luddites out there don't realize how much their anti-technologism is really anti-humanism; you don't believe in progress, you don't believe in mankind, you might as well want humans to be slaves.

NWO stole the One World idea and corrupted it almost beyond recognition, as a cruel joke on all the right thinking people. We must wake up to the fact that if you are not a patriot of anything but Mankind as Whole, you are not authomaticaly a pro-NWO globalist; that Transhumanism does NOT equal Nacism; and that true and balanced progress is not evil, but beneficial and natural outlet of the creative power inherent in the soul of Man.

[Djævlen]

Zeitgeist is not NWO. NWO is slavery under corporations, it is the military industrial complex, it is profit making on the back of others and it is the paradigm of lies that is created by the elites. Zeitgeist is none of these things. Zeitgeist shows a viable, rational and very positive alternative to the wrong system of today and to distopia of tomorrow.

The NWO has hijacked ideas like globalism, one world, etc., but that does not mean the ideas themselves are evil. Transhumanism is being misused by the globalists, but that does not mean that the idea of progress through ingenuity is, or ever will be evil. To think that is to abandon the concept of the free man and to espouse the notion of our extreme immaturity as a species, our absolute inability to make a better word, however great the effort. It calls for someone wise to "do things for us."
If anything, technopessimism should be feared as a tool of the NWO, as it opens doors to servitude under those who "know better."

great points!

[Dok]

Quote from: Michal Ptacnik on Today at 03:39:04 AM
Zeitgeist is not NWO.

Sure it is, as laid out by Theosophy.

[trailhound]

 

I think theres a good deal of intolerance on this board. You would normally let people be free to discuss their visions of a better world but for some reason anyone thinking of a New World Order gets made to look evil.

 Intolerance? Nobody is stopping you from posting your thoughts and ideas, just because people dont think your ideas are very good ones doesnt mean you are being censored.  The NWO will be evil so you are right most of us are not for it no matter how much sugary bs they slap on it. If the whole world is going to live under the US Constitution as the supreme law and have a system of checks and balances in a democratic republic i might be interested. Seeing how they want to kill it in the US i dont think the world govt is going to care about my bill of rights, no its going to be "for the good of all' and it would be best for everybody if you just die.

 

Do people not consider that the makers of Zeitgeist are not going to stamp on everyone in order to bring in their new model of the world, or that they are probably moral people. By all means criticise things you do not agree with but give people a chance to free their minds.

 You assume too much.

[nustada]

Zeitgeist promotes a %100 socialist theosophy with %100 global governance control over resources. Its put out lucis (lucifer) trust.

If it isn't NWO propaganda. I don't know what is.

Zietgiest is to those seeking truth, as fly paper is to flies seeking sugar.

[Hersey]

Timing is everything.
On September 29, the United States stock market crashed, falling 777 points. Just in time for the fallout, a worldwide financial collapse, the movie Zeitgeist Addendum was released. The film, right on cue, explains the obvious, how a flawed financial system failed, and how it exploited the hard work, savings and investments of all of those that lost their money to this system. It simultaneously heaps blame on free markets and religion, while calling for a global shift in consciousness.

Dammit, I never noticed that before. Makes it somewhat hard to defend.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.”

I have no problem with that. Does nothing short of a true Utopia not sound good to you?

These are not mere coincidences. While seemingly “revolutionary” in thought, Fresco and his school of thought as espoused by the Zeitgeist vision of rebellion against the system are part and parcel of the same social upheaval being called for, not by humanitarians, but by those that have
been planning for the New World Order from it’s earliest stages.

So the plan was to make two exact opposite futures? That makes no sense to me, please explain.
 

According to the Theosophy, starting with it’s founder Blavatsky, god is really Lucifer. This is luciferian theology, not Christian doctrine.

And according to the movie all religious prophets are one in the same. So if God is really Lucifer than we have only been taught Lucifer's teaching, which either makes a)Lucifer the good guy and the NWO the correct route, or b)All religions are evil and wrong. Either way we're f**ked.

It should be noted that any critical thinker can’t help but to agree with many of the practical points and issues raised in the Zeitgeist Addendum. It is however, so very important to be cautious about who we as truth seekers run to while trying to seek understanding in these confusing times.

Without a guiding light I am lost. In such confusing times I need something real to believe in.

The New World Order seems to have emerged to play the scapegoat for the order that will follow it. This second world order is the Theosophists’ Kingdom of God. Blavatsky told us who their god is. It is Lucifer. And how better a way to have a luciferian antichrist arrive on the scene, to be taken seriously by all as he crushes the New World Order, seemingly rescuing all of humanity
from the clutches of its tyrannical all seeing eye.

The final battle of Good vs. Evil? Ying vs. Yang? Coke vs. Pepsi? Mario vs. Sonic? Mac vs. PC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgT9gy4zQA if I may.

Zeitgeist 2 propagandizing natural law!!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1439;sa=showPosts

I did not find. Thanks.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Zeitgeist promotes a %100 socialist theosophy with %100 global governance control over resources. Its put out lucis (lucifer) trust.

If it isn't NWO propaganda. I don't know what is.

Zietgiest is to those seeking truth, as fly paper is to flies seeking sugar.

Selfishness, nationalism, and nepotism, and capitalism (and it's bastard sons collectivism and socialism) that are the true evils of today; they were the main cause for grief in the twentieth century, the century of wars and ethnic cleansing. Zeitgeist stands for none of this so show me what is bad on it's concept unless you propose to perpetuate the very ideas that have already caused so much grief.

Global Governance (of the people, for the people, by the people) is an idea I would fight for, burn the flags! Yet, today it is perverted by the NWO people almost beyond recognition so I have to be against those hijackers and pirates fist so that the noble boat might sail on towards a brighter future.

Don't know anything about Lucis (Lucifer) Trust, I only know that experience states if something is labeled "devil worship," "child sacrificing," etc., it is usually labeled so wrongly and out of ignorance, as it happened with Christianity in ancient Rome (donkey worship, anyone?). Not everyone who says "Lucifer" must be a Satanist, they might have a different, more methaphorical take on the matter... or they are hard core Satanists, who really knows?

[nustada]

Selfishness, nationalism, and nepotism, and capitalism (and it's bastard sons collectivism and socialism) that are the true evils of today; they were the main cause for grief in the twentieth century, the century of wars and ethnic cleansing. Zeitgeist stands for none of this so show me what is bad on it's concept unless you propose to perpetuate the very ideas that have already caused so much grief.

Global Governance (of the people, for the people, by the people) is an idea I would fight for, burn the flags! Yet, today it is perverted by the NWO people almost beyond recognition so I have to be against those hijackers and pirates fist so that the noble boat might sail on towards a brighter future.

Don't know anything about Lucis (Lucifer) Trust, I only know that experience states if something is labeled "devil worship," "child sacrificing," etc., it is usually labeled so wrongly and out of ignorance, as it happened with Christianity in ancient Rome (donkey worship, anyone?). Not everyone who says "Lucifer" must be a Satanist, they might have a different, more methaphorical take on the matter... or they are hard core Satanists, who really knows?

Yah, and gravity, suck to, so go walk off a cliff. The selfishness and evil you refer to apples to free market, capitalism and feudalism (read socialism for you idiots). One of those is monolithic and therefore more dangerous. At least with capitalism, a republic can create laws to facilitate trade, where by definition socialism tends twards monopolies and oligarchies.

But keep enjoying your cool aid.

[Michal Ptacnik]

If you don't believe in the possibility of change for the better, that is indeed your problem. Well, it will also be our problem since we won't have you in our ranks if an opportunity presents itself to actually do the change, but can't force anyone to have hope.

I can only tell you this: That if you offer the Old World Order as a remedy for the New World Order you are SO going to fail. We must create OUR "new world order," we can't stop the march of history or go against it. The old forms are gone because they were wrong, every last one of them, including your beloved super free market AND including ALL forms of socialism, and they've outlived their usefulness.

And Zeitgeist proposes just that, Our NWO. Yes, it has much in common with what you believe the NWO to be, but the NWO is in reality not these thing. The NWO is an oligarchic, family based feudalist dictatorship, such as humanity has known for most of it's history. It IS the Old World Order, in fact, older than America itself. At the core of it is scarcity and bondage, and the rule of those born to the right blood. Show me where Zeitgeist is for such things?

Oh that Peter Joseph is a spiritual person and a New Ager, hey, he must be a Theosophist and that means he a. Worships the Devil (TM) and b. is an Illuminati Puppet (TM). Why don't you stop wildly "connecting the dots" for a moment and look at the reality? The only wrong thing I see on Zeitgeist is that it can be abused and turned into distopy BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS BAD. Every system is prone to abuse if wrong people run it, see your beloved America! That was not a reason for the Founding Fathers to go and accept the British.

You see, the FFs, they were the Zeitgeist Movement of their age! They imagined the grandest vision of new society and they made it reality! And it WAS revolutionary and it WAS even in the same spirit; you had no army, you had true freedom of the individual! That you have devolved into being a NATION from being Free Humans, and that you were born into this Nation and were formed to love the distorted values of that Nation does not mean you should stick with it and that it can't be reformed!

[Michal Ptacnik]

btw. If ever is Zeitgeist implemented I am sure the problems with the possibility of abuse will be addressed amply and fully. The people won't want another co-opted movement to rule over them in the end.

[Dok]

Oh that Peter Joseph is a spiritual person and a New Ager, hey, he must be a Theosophist



Uhm, ya!!. He was the Maitreya. Thats the same as holding up a sign.

and that means he a. Worships the Devil (TM)

Once the key to Genesis is in our hands it is the scientific and symbolic Kabbala which unveils the secret. The Great Serpent of the Garden of Eden and the "Lord God" are identical ...

Stand in awe of him, and sin not, speak his name with trembling ... It is Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god ...

When the Church, therefore, curses Satan, it curses the cosmic reflection of God ...

In this case it is but natural ... to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind.

For it is he who was the "Harbinger of Light," bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of automaton (Adam) created by Jehovah, as alleged; and he who was first to whisper, "In the day yea eat there of, ye shall be as Elohim, knowing good and evil" -- can only be regarded in the light of a Saviour. An "adversary" to Jehovah ... he still remains in esoteric truth the ever loving "Messenger"... who conferred on us spiritual instead of physical immortality ...

Satan, or Lucifer, represents the active ... "Centrifugal Energy of the Universe" in a cosmic sense ... Fitly is he ... and his adherents ... consigned to the "sea of fire," because it is the Sun ... the fount of life in our system, where they are petrified ... and churned up to re-arrange them for another life; that Sun which, as the origin of the active principle of our Earth, is at once the Home and the Source of the Mundane Satan ...

- The Secret Doctrine, Volume I, page 414, Vol II, pgs. 234, 235, 243, 245

and b. is an Illuminati Puppet (TM).

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html


You see, the FFs, they were the Zeitgeist Movement of their age! They imagined the grandest vision of new society and they made it reality! And it WAS revolutionary and it WAS even in the same spirit; you had no army, you had true freedom of the individual! That you have devolved into being a NATION from being Free Humans, and that you were born into this Nation and were formed to love the distorted values of that Nation does not mean you should stick with it and that it can't be reformed!

 

[Dok]

http://www.hourofthetime.shoppingcartsplus.com/catalog/item/2569223/7930866.htm

'Aquarius: The Age of Evil' examines the history of the new world order. It demonstrates that the new world order is New Age oriented. The Zeitgeist films and movement are exposed and shown to have ties to the New Age, Theosophy, Freemasonry and the new world order movements. It covers Benjamin Creme, Maitreya, 2012 and the utopian New Age coadjutors who have infiltrated the patriot-movement. It also shows how the Bible predicts the coming new world order dystopia.

Interviews with Constance Cumbey, Dr. Scott Johnson, and Chris White.
Researched by Keith Thompson and Eric Brame.

Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV | Part V |
Part VI | Part VII | Part VIII | Part IX | Part X |
Part XI | Part XII | Part XIII | Part XIV

http://www.youtube.com/user/KeithTruth

thanx to Mr. Anderson 

[Billll]

Charles Robinson did a interview with Peter Joseph Merola(the leader of the zeitgeist movement and venus project). As you will see anonymous has exposed the fact that Peter Joseph Merola made the videos and not Charles Robinson the character Peter has made up.

A little history on this Anticultist revealed peter Joseph Merola's last name and titles both is blogs whoispeter before the website, youtube, or anything else came about. The whoispeter videos were in fact made by peter as damage control as you will see below. This to me proves Peter Joseph Merola is a liar and twists the truth. This represents what the Zeitgeist movement and venus project are all about. Peter Joseph Merola is working on a cover up on this as we speak don't let this happen!



XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Posted on conspiracy science website (link below)

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/peter-joseph-is-charles-robinson#post-17057

'Anonymous uncover a dirty little secret of Peter Joseph Merolas, the secret is he is in fact the maker and editor and uploader of WhoisPeterJoseph videos, he is the Charles Robinson that does not exist, he is the guy who no one has met or has heard of, the guy who has never made any movies or been mentioned by Peter Joseph.

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksZHus0g0aY

So lets look at this as I have already discussed here:

Peter Joseph makes a you tube account and a website using the same creative commons and host sites as his normal zeitgeist productions. He does this all within a few days of me releasing the who is Peter Joseph blog which laid to rest who he was and his little lying hiding escapade. What is most curious about this was at the time I was certain Peter had done it because Charles Robinson was never introduced or mentioned anywhere on the zeitgeist forums. There was no advertisement anyone was” interviewing” peter, he was never a member of the forum, Peter never mentioned it, and it was all personal details prior to me releasing the blog.
The duration of the time between the “interview” with himself aka Charles Robinson and me releasing the blog, Peter kept quiet about his personal details always maintaining that he required anonymity and wanted no one to know who he was. Though we are led to believe that all of a sudden on the release of his name this video came out and he was all happy to let people know. But he didn’t make the call about it, he let a complete stranger no one knows or has heard about do it instead ?

Utter Bullshit Peter even a stupid person can see through this alone.

http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/who-is-peter-joseph/
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/who-is-peter-joseph-part-2/

But the final thread of your story snaps when we see in the video above, when you were in New York and your made up pseudonym was supposed to be in England on February 14th, somehow the very same day when the video was uploaded and completed and put online, There is a section where the screen grabs are of PJ logged into his own amazon account on February 14th looking at a book, with the date showing when another book order is going to arrive. This puts peter Joseph merola at home on his computer looking at his amazon account and taking a screen grab of it for the whoispeterjoseph movie, there is no other possibility of this happening. Therefore the very day the video is uploaded for people Peter Joseph Merola is adding final touches to its production.
You f**ked up good and proper peter, you really f**ked up. Thought you were getting away with it and had covered all the angles, if it wasnt for those pesky anonymous kids !

Making up a name and a person to release a video of you in a fake interview of you talking to yourself on camera. everyone knows you rushed this out for damage control now. Idiot. Truly sad the levels of bullshit you goto man, truly sad.

Other parts to this video can be watched here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvqVl7DYRP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqahdFp-o8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq3zrItoSb8

Taken from here:

http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/who-is-peter-joseph-part-3-charles-robinson/

[wezthebikie]

I put Zeitgeist Addendum, up on my YouTube channel, but had to edit out around 60% of it. It's great for explaining fiat currency, but then waffles off down the Stalin/Hitler path, of offering all this 'Utopia'.

[Michal Ptacnik]

If not us, then it will be them. The current system is just a temporary thing, and it is not going back to old (and warring) nation states even if all the patriots in the world united (which they won't becuse they hate each other, nation based ). Furthermore, with the prolification of technology, we are not about to escape a surveilance based society of some kind, at least in the long run, that technology is just too dangerous to be left in the hand of 1. national states and 2. people without someone watching it or them. The question is whether we will be the ones who make the break through and set stage for the new system, or if we surrender that opportunity to someone "wiser," e.g. the Elite; and also whether it will be commodity that will be watched (Zeitgeist, in implication), or the people (NWO).

As I've said many times over, we must "outglobalize" the globalists, or we can as well forget it and move to live in a mountain shack. ZA shows one possible way to do just that. Furthermore, even if there was a way how to restore the status quo of forty, sixty years ago politics-wise, I, and I hope many other at least a bit sane individuals would not do it. We are fed up with nation against nation, state against state, religion against religion.

[Ruth]

Zeitgeist is not NWO. NWO is slavery under corporations, it is the military industrial complex, it is profit making on the back of others and it is the paradigm of lies that is created by the elites. Zeitgeist is none of these things. Zeitgeist shows a viable, rational and very positive alternative to the wrong system of today and to distopia of tomorrow.

Any system or idea can be hijacked or corrupted in order to produce 'slaves'.  NWO is most likely aware of that and does not just confine themselves to certain activites.  I think they are likely to be covering all bases in a most evil way.

They probably know by now that the best disinformation contains a significant percentage of truth.

[Michal Ptacnik]

True, but that does not mean the idea that a man is not a slave and this should be really realized and not just in the law, that technology is not the enemy by default and that we should unite as a planet to stop war everywhere, that we have seen enough fruits of "nationalism" and "patriotism," a glorified divide and conquer, to be sick of it for a thousand generations, is not authomatically "of the devil."

[Ruth]

True, but that does not mean the idea that a man is not a slave and this should be really realized and not just in the law, that technology is not the enemy by default and that we should unite as a planet to stop war everywhere, that we have seen enough fruits of "nationalism" and "patriotism," a glorified divide and conquer, to be sick of it for a thousand generations, is not authomatically "of the devil."

I'd like to see man throwing off the shakles of slavery, truly I would.  But the 'disease' (is it fascism?) will eventually kill its host - especially if the host has no idea they are infected in the first place.

Nothing seems to be 'the enemy' by default except for man's ignorance of evil and how it works to deceive.  Perhaps studying the effects evil on society would be instructive?

[Dig]

If not us, then it will be them. The current system is just a temporary thing, and it is not going back to old (and warring) nation states even if all the patriots in the world united (which they won't becuse they hate each other, nation based ). Furthermore, with the prolification of technology, we are not about to escape a surveilance based society of some kind, at least in the long run, that technology is just too dangerous to be left in the hand of 1. national states and 2. people without someone watching it or them. The question is whether we will be the ones who make the break through and set stage for the new system, or if we surrender that opportunity to someone "wiser," e.g. the Elite; and also whether it will be commodity that will be watched (Zeitgeist, in implication), or the people (NWO).

As I've said many times over, we must "outglobalize" the globalists, or we can as well forget it and move to live in a mountain shack. ZA shows one possible way to do just that. Furthermore, even if there was a way how to restore the status quo of forty, sixty years ago politics-wise, I, and I hope many other at least a bit sane individuals would not do it. We are fed up with nation against nation, state against state, religion against religion.

Your argument is illogical. There is no "new system" for which we need to seize the "opportunity" before psychopaths do. That has always been the seduction by the Pharaohs for thousands of years. It represents the idea that there is no such thing as individual freedom and everyone must climb past each other to get to the capstone first. Your thinking demonstrates that you are operating within a false paradigm, that of a one world order pyramid. Just turn the pyramid upside down and it may be clearer how absurd the idea of a New World Order is when attempting to defend the rights of man.

"For we are opposed around the world by a
monolithic and ruthless conspiracy
that relies primarily on covert means
for expanding its sphere of influence--
on infiltration instead of invasion,
on subversion instead of elections,
on intimidation instead of free choice,
on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources
into the building of a tightly knit,
highly efficient machine that combines
military,
diplomatic,
intelligence,
economic,
scientific and
political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published.
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.
Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.
No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

-John F. Kennedy

more: http://www.agenturus.org/reading-list.htm

[EvadingGrid]

If not us, then it will be them. The current system is just a temporary thing, and it is not going back to old (and warring) nation states even if all the patriots in the world united (which they won't becuse they hate each other, nation based ). Furthermore, with the prolification of technology, we are not about to escape a surveilance based society of some kind, at least in the long run, that technology is just too dangerous to be left in the hand of 1. national states and 2. people without someone watching it or them. The question is whether we will be the ones who make the break through and set stage for the new system, or if we surrender that opportunity to someone "wiser," e.g. the Elite; and also whether it will be commodity that will be watched (Zeitgeist, in implication), or the people (NWO).

As I've said many times over, we must "outglobalize" the globalists, or we can as well forget it and move to live in a mountain shack. ZA shows one possible way to do just that. Furthermore, even if there was a way how to restore the status quo of forty, sixty years ago politics-wise, I, and I hope many other at least a bit sane individuals would not do it. We are fed up with nation against nation, state against state, religion against religion.

You've made 1,250 posts and appear to have learned nothing.

You only have to imagine a one world authority with my good self in charge to realise it is not a good idea.

The solution is to invert the pyramid and restore ultimate power and soverignty to "We the people".

[Jackson Holly]

There is a primary reason that the mega-wealthy/elites

ALWAYS maneuver for increased "centralization" of power.

The political history of civilization is the history of the

march to one, centralized world power.


That primary reason is ease of control ... one herd, one herdsman.


The goal of the people must always be to counter one world

government ... we must insist on de-centralization, homogenization ...

our goal must always be LOCAL CONTROL.

[Michal Ptacnik]

You've made 1,250 posts and appear to have learned nothing.

You only have to imagine a one world authority with my good self in charge to realise it is not a good idea.

The solution is to invert the pyramid and restore ultimate power and soverignty to "We the people".

I never advocated a monocratic structure of any one's good self in charge. The dilemma of sociopolitics is that humans have to be served by humans and freedom must be allowed, but also that humans tend to be crooks. Therefore a "dehumanized" segment of the ruling pyramid must balance the human free will. It is not a good solution, but it is necessary with the current state of humanity. As soon as we did this in the form of legal documents and institutions, we begun to progress from tribal states and from general chaos into a generally more ordered society. Is that all good and well? Nay, but some of the results are good, e.g. we don't die out of starvation all that often, etc. Compare the Imperial America with Somalia to get a rough picture of the difference. I think computers and science might supplement and perhaps even supplant politics and law as we see them, that if we don't do it, they'll do it for us and against us, and that if we do it, as a people, it might end up in a much better "balance point" than what will happen if we just try to "hum away" the possibility of these changes.

Your argument is illogical. There is no "new system" for which we need to seize the "opportunity" before psychopaths do. That has always been the seduction by the Pharaohs for thousands of years. It represents the idea that there is no such thing as individual freedom and everyone must climb past each other to get to the capstone first. Your thinking demonstrates that you are operating within a false paradigm, that of a one world order pyramid. Just turn the pyramid upside down and it may be clearer how absurd the idea of a New World Order is when attempting to defend the rights of man.

Unfortunatelly, to paraphrase George Bush sr., unless there is a rule of law, there will be the rule of the law of the jungle. The new system is forced upon us by the progress of human society and science, that is in turn caused by the current human nature. One can not as a sociologist change the human nature, that is a set parameter. I strongly oppose the Zeitgeist movement in this one respect. We are crooks at heart, or can become ones when a right set of circulmstances happens, e.g. the people that state "I would never commit a murder" are mistaken for the most part because if the right set of occurings happened to them, they would do it, etc.

But that is a bit off topic, I just wanted to demonstrate that there is a new paradigm forced upon us, a new world where dangerous "stuff" will become more and more commonplace and we are faced with a choice: Will we as a people seize the opportunity to use this stuff, to regulate it, and to adapt to it and around it, adapt it, and let history run it's course, or will we ignore that chance, try to be conservative, and allow the more extreme people who WILL seize the oportunity because of the same human nature that had created it to make that choice for us? I do really relate to this part of the whole "alien gospel" thing, the part where it is about us becoming "responsible as a society" as oposed to being "properties of the society." Now I'd disagree with us ever being able to become responsible as individuals, I don't believe in a functional free will (though I do believe in an onthological one) for the most part, but that is another story entirely.

As much as the society progresses scientifically because of human nature, it also must progress along other lines. One of those ways of progress is the blurring of the lines between nations that is now here, as an opportunity. For the first time in a very long age we begin to lose the innate distrust of "native vs stranger," that divisive mentality that existed here, was harnessed and misused by the Pharaohs of all ages. A new mentality is emerging, and I really don't care at this point if it is thanks to theosophy or whatever (very improbable, by the way) or rather thanks to the plane and the lightbulb and the net. It is here. We can adapt to it consciously as a society of "free" (legally, I'd say "as free as can be,") citizens or as the results of causes that are above us in a hierarchy of powers. It is as I see it on par with the dangerous stuff that comes to us with technical progress and the modes of operation are really the same here, as the dillemas are.

[Dok]

I think computers and science might supplement and perhaps even supplant politics and law as we see them, that if we don't do it, they'll do it for us and against us, and that if we do it, as a people, it might end up in a much better "balance point" than what will happen if we just try to "hum away" the possibility of these changes.

So you do want a scientific theocracy to run stuff. Like in Logans Run.

[Michal Ptacnik]

So you do want a scientific theocracy to run stuff. Like in Logans Run.

I don't know what Logan's Run is, but realistically, out of the worldly methods (seen broadly), the method of observation, catalogisation and experimentation with material things proves to be one of the least damaging on the human soul. Much less damaging than a dogmatic state, a method of stating man's laws of any kind, be they religious or otherwise, which we emply now and which most of you would like to stay with. So yes, out of the bad choices I have, I would sooner chose a "scientific theocracy," or technocracy, than most other forms of government. Of course, not any technocracy would do, see my reply to Dig and EvadingGrid.

[Dok]

I don't know what Logan's Run is, but realistically, out of the worldly methods (seen broadly), the method of observation, catalogisation and experimentation with material things proves to be one of the least damaging on the human soul. Much less damaging than a dogmatic state, a method of stating man's laws of any kind, be they religious or otherwise, which we emply now and which most of you would like to stay with. So yes, out of the bad choices I have, I would sooner chose a "scientific theocracy," or technocracy, than most other forms of government. Of course, not any technocracy would do, see my reply to Dig and EvadingGrid.

I don't know what Logan's Run is

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8zn8r_logans-run-1976-part-1

[Michal Ptacnik]

I've educated myself now on Logan's run and I have to say this about it: No fiction, unless it is written with the aid of the computers that would be those working behind the described system, can clearly, or even semi clearly portray a future scenario of a technocracy. I say this as a part time "author" of sorts. (purely for recreational / non profit reasons) So the movie is, must be by necessity, a vision of an extreme legalistic society, not a technocratic one by the virtue of this reason; this and the fact that the world in that movie apparently does not need the people to live until 30 and die, it is only the controllers that want the people in check under the dome and their "legalistic" lies. It is at best a mix of legalistic and technocratic dictatorship. A technocracy run by the people would seek ways how to get out of the dome as soon as possible, to set goals, one of them obviously being "to be able to keep our society and our natural lifespans" and then would seek ways how to implement those goals using scientific methods.

A technocratic society is what a free society, Founding Fathers way, will and must look in a world where higher technology is available and where men are men as we know them. Unless you want to debate a "consciousness shift" or something like that, a radical change into a New Man, who is conscious, free, responsible, it boils down to this: Either we will use the technology for the betterment of our own lives, or They will use it for themselves only with our welfare being at best the side product, at worse non existent or mixed with enslavement techniques.

If there would be any statement I would like to make to sum the whole issue up with it would be: In a high tech society (e.g. as a part of that society, as opposed to being "under the radar"), the luddite lives in slavery by default.

And: Legalistic is if you go by fiat, the fiat of the people, the market, the Party, the Pharaoh, etc. Technocratic is if you go by the numbers and you keep the fiat at the necessary minimum.