Folks....It's going to hit really quick...A major power shift toward Europe.

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Offline sands

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 And it won't be good....The scriptures are indeed coming to pass right now and a new monetary system will come into place very shortly and it may very well be the mark of the beast prophecied in scripture...

 google the term WEU recommendation 666......Basically it gives martial law powers to the secretary general of the WEU and the high representative fo cfsp, both positions which are held by one individual named javier solana and keep in mind that the WEU is right in with NATO.....

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shove the scriptures up yours, bible thumper :P

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Francisco Javier Solana de Madariaga, Ph.D. (born 14 July 1942 in Madrid, Spain) is the High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and the Secretary-General of both the Council of the European Union (EU) and the Western European Union (WEU). He was named Secretary General of the 10 permanent member Western European Union in November 1999. Solana was a physicist who became a political minister for 13 years under Felipe González before serving as Secretary General of NATO from 1995 to 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Solana
Since October 1999, he has served as the EU's High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy. In 2004, Solana had been designated to become the EU's Minister for Foreign Affairs for when the European Constitution was to come into force in 2009 but it was not ratified and his position has been renamed under the Treaty of Lisbon.[citation needed]
And it won't be good....The scriptures are indeed coming to pass right now and a new monetary system will come into place very shortly and it may very well be the mark of the beast prophecied in scripture...

 google the term WEU recommendation 666......Basically it gives martial law powers to the secretary general of the WEU and the high representative fo cfsp, both positions which are held by one individual named javier solana and keep in mind that the WEU is right in with NATO.....

shove the scriptures up yours, bible thumper :P

wiki-bibles?
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Here we have a perfect example of a two person (or two accounts, 1 person) false argument operation.
1. state something explicitly controversial.
2. have next comment go overtop in lambbasting the original poster.

Its like making a stew. Add ingredients and stir the pot.
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uhuh
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uhuh

Not you, sugarcakes, Sands/Nosepicker.
Your post was informative and in another context other than this obvious disinfo post would be subject for vibrant debate.
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big egos... people are killing for resources, only the next one you wouldnt imagine.. either way eu moneys better then bills.

i dont have energy to debate crap..
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Here we have a perfect example of a two person (or two accounts, 1 person) false argument operation.
1. state something explicitly controversial.
2. have next comment go overtop in lambbasting the original poster.

Its like making a stew. Add ingredients and stir the pot.

exactley some of these newbies could be here to stir.


very rude nosepicker everyone has their rite to their own opinion.

also that can result in you being band from the form. thank you for your co-operation in freindly conversations
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Here we have a perfect example of a two person (or two accounts, 1 person) false argument operation.
1. state something explicitly controversial.
2. have next comment go overtop in lambbasting the original poster.

Its like making a stew. Add ingredients and stir the pot.

  We are not the same people and the moderators can verify this..I've already reported the same  individual that has been rude to the moderators and you can check a history of my posts on here that they do pertain to the same things...They are not many but they go back a while..I just do not post very much.

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And it won't be good....The scriptures are indeed coming to pass right now and a new monetary system will come into place very shortly and it may very well be the mark of the beast prophecied in scripture...

 google the term WEU recommendation 666......Basically it gives martial law powers to the secretary general of the WEU and the high representative fo cfsp, both positions which are held by one individual named javier solana and keep in mind that the WEU is right in with NATO.....

sand please the next time you start posts please include links that we can read that your info comes from or you may stir arguments from stooges like nosepicker.

thx
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sand please the next time you start posts please include links that we can read that your info comes from or you may stir arguments from stooges like nosepicker.

thx

 Thank you...

Here's a link to recommendation 666 from the WEU website...It's very technical but alot of folks on here should do very well with the technicals of it...look specifically at 12 under recommendation 666....
 http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_adopted.php

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  We are not the same people and the moderators can verify this..I've already reported the same  individual that has been rude to the moderators and you can check a history of my posts on here that they do pertain to the same things...They are not many but they go back a while..I just do not post very much.

And the mods will check it out but my posts are to preempt any false controversy BS from starting.
We are in the midst of interesting times and that is exactly when the disinfo types come out of the woodwork.
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Here we have a perfect example of a two person (or two accounts, 1 person) false argument operation.
1. state something explicitly controversial.
2. have next comment go overtop in lambbasting the original poster.

Its like making a stew. Add ingredients and stir the pot.

Awesome.  Well stated.

Recommendation 666.  It's like they have a disease.
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 This used to be on NATO's website but it shows the 10 nations of the WEU at the very center inside the circle of NATO countries....javier solana was given emergency powers which is basically martial law under WEU recomendation 666...
 It looks like that individual will have authority over nato assets in the event of an emergency...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68203004@N00/799933907/


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do i have to ask who were looking for?

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do i have to ask who were looking for?

LOL


Check WEU recommendation 666 article 12 and it tells you exactly who is given the emergency powers..Basically martial law...The secretary gen. of the WEU and the high rep for CFSP....
http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_adopted.php

 The 10 nation WEU right in the center of NATO and other nations.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68203004@N00/799933907/

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I'm just adding the text for those who have dial-up or whatever. I still don't quite understand what I'm looking at in this resolution although the 12 provision does make sands's claim clear. If nothing else, I've learned that the WEU and EU are not the same. Which, sadly, is news to me. Must be my government training school upbringing... :P

From http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_adopted.php
RECOMMENDATION 666
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on the consequences of including certain functions of WEU
in the European Union - reply to the annual report of the Council

The Assembly,

(i) Thanking the Council for rapidly conveying the second part of its forty-fifth annual report and the detailed information contained therein;

(ii) Noting that the Council's informal reflection process on Security and Defence Europe deals with the preparation of WEU's legacy and problems connected with the inclusion of those WEU functions that the European Union regards as necessary to fulfil its responsibilities in the area of crisis management, but that the parliamentary dimension is not part of that process;

(iii) Aware that the Council and the Assembly will continue to exist for as long as the modified Brussels Treaty remains in force and that they both bear the prime responsibility for application of the Treaty;

(iv) Reminding the Council nevertheless that the modified Brussels Treaty assigns it responsibilities with a view to promoting the progressive integration of Europe and cooperation with other European organisations and that the Treaty on European Union, which states that WEU is an integral part of its development, confers upon it additional tasks in respect of the European Union;

(v) Recalling that the parliamentary dimension of European security and defence forms part of WEU's legacy and that the Council must exercise its responsibility with a view to guaranteeing the continuity of such dimension;

(vi) Stressing the fundamental importance of WEU's responsibility to ensure that the establishment of direct cooperation between the European Union and NATO can be successfully achieved once WEU ceases to play its pivotal role between the European Union and NATO;

(vii) Stressing also the need for the Council urgently to clarify what is to become of those WEU responsibilities that are not transferred to the European Union and the resultant consequences for WEU as an Organisation;

(viii) Strongly desirous that WEU, whose major achievements since its reactivation laid the foundations for the initiatives that led to the Cologne and Helsinki decisions, should do its utmost to further the success of projects to be finalised between now and the end of 2000;

(ix) Welcoming with satisfaction the Declaration issued at the Helsinki Summit which confirms that the European Union recognises that primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security lies with the United Nations Security Council,

RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL

   1. Take the measures necessary for WEU to ensure that the collective defence commitment provided for in Article V of the modified Brussels Treaty is effectively maintained, taking account of the recent decisions concerning the European Security and Defence Policy;

   2. Pursue its process of informal reflection on Security and Defence Europe and include the parliamentary dimension within it on the basis of the proposals contained in Assembly Recommendation 664;

   3. Propose to the European Union that, on the basis of the work undertaken by the Portuguese presidency and joint proposals put forward by Britain and France, it establish a Consultative Council for the CESDP bringing together European Union member states, EU applicant countries and non-EU European members of NATO, which would meet at least twice a year at ministerial level;

   4. Ensure, while respecting the European Union's decision-making autonomy, that the delegations of the non-EU European members of NATO and of the EU applicant countries have participation rights in the Consultative Council for the CESDP at least equivalent to those they have acquired in the WEU Council as associate members and associate partners;

   5. Propose to the European Council that the European Union sign a protocol to be appended to the Treaty on European Union, stipulating that the Consultative Council for the CESDP - without prejudice to the provisions of Articles 4 and 21 - shall make an annual report on those of its activities under the CFSP which have defence implications, to the European Security and Defence Assembly (ESDA) composed of representatives of the fifteen parliaments of the signatory states of the Treaty on European Union, representatives of the fifteen parliaments of the EU applicant countries and the non-EU European members of NATO, and representatives of the European Parliament;

   6. Ensure that the delegations of the non-EU European members of NATO and of the EU applicant countries have participation rights in the European Security and Defence Assembly that are at least equivalent to those they have acquired in the WEU Assembly as associate members and associate partners;

   7. Do what is necessary to ensure that during the transitional period WEU is in a position to respond more effectively to any requests from the European Union to develop and implement actions of the Union, anticipating them in so far as is possible;

   8. Assist the European Union in framing its "headline goal" of deploying and sustaining a European force capable of carrying out the full range of Petersberg missions, on the basis of the work done by WEU, in relation especially to the illustrative Petersberg mission profiles;

   9. Make public opinion and the political authorities in the member states aware of the need for additional funding to achieve the "headline goal", in particular to guarantee that the said European force is militarily self-sufficient and has the necessary capability to carry out the proposed missions;

  10. Ensure that the function WEU currently fulfils as an essential element of the European Security and Defence Identity (ESDI) within the Atlantic Alliance is in future fulfilled by the European Union's CESDP;

  11. Support efforts to set up flexible forms of closer cooperation in the framework of the CFSP and CESDP that are not strictly limited to European Union member states;

  12. Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency;

  13. Propose to the European Union that it base its relationship with NATO on a provision of the Treaty on European Union comparable with that of Article IV of the modified Brussels Treaty;

  14. Prepare and transmit to the European Union an in-depth assessment of its experience in the field of crisis management and propose to the Union that it base its new responsibilities in this area on a new provision of the Treaty on European Union drawing on Article VIII.3 of the modified Brussels Treaty;

  15. Assist the European Union in coordinating civilian and military crisis management using the CIMIC concept as a basis and inform the Assembly about this concept;

  16. Carry out an audit of those areas of the modified Brussels Treaty not transferred to the European Union and a study of the resultant consequences for WEU as an Organisation;

  17. Give the Assembly an indication of the repercussions the transfer of certain WEU functions to the EU will have for the annual report the Council has to make to the Assembly, pursuant to Article IX of the modified Brussels Treaty;

  18. Strengthen and extend the activities of the Torrejón Satellite Centre, taking into account all the implications of its transfer to the European Union, including the fact that it works in a configuration of 16 countries, and inform the Assembly of its findings before taking any decision on such a transfer;

  19. Ensure that the WEU Institute for Security Studies can continue its activities in the service of WEU and the European Union;

  20. From now on, give the National Armaments Directors, and WEAG and WEAO which the Council has decided should for the time being remain WEU's responsibility, more specific guidance and a more positive political impetus, so as to strengthen European cooperation in this connection, and consult the Assembly before taking any decision on the future tasks and institutional position of such organisations;

  21. Take a decision on the future of the Transatlantic Forum, ensuring that the European Union is able to take advantage of the Forum's acquis to help it organise security cooperation with the transatlantic allies:

  22. Ensure that all WEU bodies for a time continue their dialogue with Russia and Ukraine and consider how the acquis represented by that dialogue can be preserved if transferred to the European Union, taking account in particular of the need for continuity of the formal relations the WEU Assembly has established with both chambers of the Russian Parliament;

  23. Continue its dialogue with the southern Mediterranean countries and consult the Assembly before taking any decision as to the future of that dialogue;

  24. Oppose any solution worked out within the European Union framework that seeks to reduce associate member and associate partner participation rights in missions whose implementation is to be transferred to the European Union;

  25. Encourage the observer countries to commit themselves fully and without reservation to all aspects of the European Security and Defence Policy and invite their parliaments to send full delegations to the Assembly's meetings and sessions as the Assembly invites them so to do in Order 112;

  26. Propose to the European Union General Affairs Council that it hold a meeting with the Assembly's Presidential Committee as soon as possible.

And here's the original of the graph that sands showed earlier:
http://www.nato.int/docu/posters/0705nato-other-organ-e.pdf

So, if I understand correctly, the WEU is the real organization of power for the major nations in Europe, not the EU and and such many of slavic speaking countries and remnants of the Soviet Union would be under the control of those nations, and in the suggested case of an emergency, the two people mentioned above. I could, of course, be reading this incorrectly. Just figured everyone would want to see that original graphic. It is MUCH easier to read.
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Hey Bushido, thank you for doing that....

 Israel along with several mediterranean nations ageed to cooperate  under CSFP/ESDP crisis management in the ENP agreement that they signed on to and the authority over crisis management is under the document WEU recommendation 666...Remember the ENPI which is 7 years supports the implimentation of the ENP...

From page 5 of the ENP document.
 "Regional and international issues
Co-operation under CSFP/ESDP, crisis management
While retaining the central focus of the political dialogue in the context of the Association Council,the dialogue and co-operation should also be enhanced and diversified, at all official levels, as appropriate, and should include the following issues:
– Strategic issues and regional security
– The fight against terrorism
– Non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery, both to state and non-state actors
– Regional issues in the Middle East and elsewhere
– Co-operation in the international fora
Dialogue between cultures and religions
– Concrete measures in the fight against anti-Semitism
Concrete measures in the fight against racism, and xenophobia, including Islamophobia
Conflict prevention and crisis management, including cooperation on research and policy planning
Civil protection and peace-keeping
International development co-operation, humanitarian aid and networking to allow rapid reaction for disaster relief and other emergency situations that may arise worldwide"
http://ec.europa.eu/world/enp/pdf/action_plans/israel_enp_ap_final_en.pdf