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« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2008, 11:23:40 AM »


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Why Barack Obama Got My Vote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/why-barack-obama-got-my-v_b_89017.html

By Naomi Wolf

 
I just flew back from Australia, where I was speaking about the erosions of our civil liberties. Believe me, the rest of the world is agog at our inaction as what makes us Americans is being set aflame; and they are more scared of what an unsheathed US could do to the rest of the world than we are.

They also get more news out in the rest of the world about these depredations than we do here in our media bubble.

For instance: As the Australian reported earlier this week, New South Wales Justice of the Peace Mamdouh Habib is suing the Australian federal government -- which under the Howard administration had colluded with the US in committing various abuses against detainees and due process -- for having allowed him to be arrested wrongly in Pakistan in 2001, kidnapped and sent illegally to Egypt. There this Justice of the Peace was illegally imprisoned and tortured for six months. After that the United States held him for FOUR YEARS in Guantanamo. His complaint notes that he is a law-abiding citizen who was swept up under false pretexts. "It turns out that Habib has incontrovertible proof of his good standing," the Australian noted. "[H]e is a fully accredited Justice of the Peace in NSW. A search of the NSW Attorney General's Department website reveals that not only Habib, but his wife Maha Habib, is a JP." To become justice of the peace in New South Wales, the Australian added, "you have to be NOMINATED BY A MEMBER OF THE NSW PARLIAMENT and submit to a full character inquiry, including a criminal records check by NSW Police." (ALL CAPS mine)

Get that? A justice of the peace in a developed-world democracy. Had you heard of that?

Me neither.

This gave me chills because, once again, it is so scarily predictable: when I first started trying to alert people about the ramifications of the Military Commissions Act, and how it gives the US power to seize innocent people off the street simply by the President's naming them 'enemy combatants', I pointed out that nothing would prevent the US from rendering an EU minister off the streets of Belgium -- and flying him or her to a `black site' for torture -- if he or she opposed a US pipeline plan, or was prosecuting US war criminals such as Rumsfeld in the Hague. And that the clear lesson of Germany and other closing societies such as Argentina is that once those 'disappearances' begin, that is it; few are then brave enough to object -- and at that point objection is too weak to be effective anyway.

They rendered an Australian justice of the peace -- and that rendition did not even make the US news. So how can we be sure there is something so sacred about an American justice of the peace or even a judge? Say, an American judge who ruled against the Military Commissions?

This kind of leap to the next level of threat to us as citizens seems implausible to many people because they assume that there is an orderly and effective democratic response to this kind of eruption of lawlessness --- (oh gosh, actually it isn't lawlessness any more, now is it) -- or, I should say, to this kind of abrupt shift to a heightened level of state sadism; Well -- someone would bring charges!, one assumes. Or: someone would sue! Or: surely the ACLU would do something!

But seriously, I ask you to consider: What would indeed happen as a countermove if a US justice of the peace or a judge was rendered? The Bar Association would protest? Scary. Intimidating.

I raise this as an urgent matter in part because of a recent conference call I participated in with Hamid Khan, the head of the courageous movement of Pakistani lawyers and judges. In the call, which he made in spite of great danger to himself and probably to his family, there was a moment when he described the internecine warfare and factionalism of the opposition to Musharraf. In his voice was the tired, frustrated sound I have heard so often in this country when groups on the left JUST CAN'T GET IT TOGETHER. No matter how urgent the need is. Whereas in Pakistan's case they were having trouble getting the anti-Musharraf forces to act together -- and there was so much at stake.

What became clear from that call is that we are fools to assume that if the government makes a dramatically violent move, which all the laws I have highlighted now make entirely possible, that anyone will know clearly what to do or how to implement what should be done in response. In Pakistan, it was clear, in spite of this powerful grassroots movement, no one had a clear Plan B when Musharraf declared a state of emergency and began rounding up the lawyers and arresting the judges. No one had an unquestioned leadership structure in place for the countermovement; no one had a subcontinent-sized phone tree or a nice big -- oh, nation-sized -- conference room in which to meet.

We need to consider this right now when we think about our own country: In a sudden sharp move on the part of the US government, even a `small' one such as this imagined scenario of the rendition of a handful of US judges, there is nothing a democracy is prepared effectively to do; that is the nature of democracy. There is no War Room for democracy; no one has an organizational chart detailing who would do what; no one would have a master strategy.

When people think about the many laws that invite this kind of overreaching now in the US -- the National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD 51), for instance, that would give the President control over all branches of government -- executive, legislative, and judicial -- in the event of an emergency -- they just assume that, gosh darn it, WE WON'T TAKE IT. And it may well be that we wouldn't want to take it and we would be willing in great numbers to run to the ramparts. But here is what I have to report to you, that the conference call made clear, and my Pakistani friend would confirm this: in a crackdown, even in the best-case scenario, NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE RAMPARTS ARE.

Many people have expressed faith in the Military. I am sure most of our military are patriots and cherish freedom; but who would direct a resistance to such an edict? What would be the chain of command? What about ordnance? Many people have expressed faith in the courts, but if they went after the judges -- just a handful of judges -- as they did in Pakistan, would the judiciary prevail? How? All closed societies have judiciaries; the judges just know which way to rule.

Many others assume the media will cover such a depredation and rouse people; well, ideally -- but just days ago we saw a curious blackout of a 60 Minutes report on Don Siegelman, the Democrat probably wrongly jailed in Alabama, by a TV affiliate with close ties to the White House.

Resistance? Sure, but how? The trouble with an aggressive move in any one of these directions on the part of the government is that THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN and we have not. They aren't surprised or shocked; we are. They have a plan; we don't.

So surely, better to roll back these terrifying laws. Just in case.

I have noted it is always true that societies that begin by torturing people at the margins end up torturing members of their own citizenry. Consider again: the Oscar-winning documentary for this year, Taxi to the Dark Side, which proves that any of us can become a monster torturer, following orders, and proves also that the edict to torture was systemic and came from the very top, won't be seen by most Americans. This is because the Discovery Channel bought it hoping to air it -- but then backed out. (Its affiliates have close ties to the military-industrial complex.) Will the Oscar win get it on the airwaves? Doubtful. Watch it somehow and drag all your friends to see it. Then consider that what happened to Dilawar, an innocent Afghani taxi driver, could happen to you or me.


When I went to see it in a theatre there were six people present. So America can't know in time what is being done to others to take steps to protect ourselves.

What is leadership? Leadership means getting out in front of where people are and waking them up. Right now, given these violent possible threats to us and our families, we are sleeping.

Which is why I am formally coming out of the closet with my support for Senator Barack Obama. Of all the candidates running now, he is the leader on understanding the threat to the Constitution and actually taking action, not just mouthing soundbites, on the need to deny torturers space in our nation and to restore the rule of law.

"Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama," read a recent headline on the Boston Globe's political blog. In the article, reporter Charlie Savage notes that "More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid. The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to 'restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community.'"

The lawyers who signed this letter -- prominent names on the list included Washington lawyer Thomas Wilner, retired federal appeals court judge John Gibbons, and retired Rear Admiral Donald Guter, who was the Navy's top JAG officer from 2000 to 2002 -- applauded Obama for having stood up in 2006 against aspects of the Military Commissions Act. Unfortunately, his fight was ultimately unsuccessful -- which is why we are all still in danger. But unlike other candidates he truly fought and he understood the nature of the danger: "When we were walking the halls of the Capitol trying to win over enough Senators to beat back the Administration's bill, Senator Obama made his key staffers and even his offices available to help us," the lawyers wrote. "Senator Obama worked with us to count the votes, and he personally lobbied colleagues who worried about the political ramifications of voting to preserve habeas corpus for the men held at Guantanamo. He has understood that our strength as a nation stems from our commitment to our core values, and that we are strong enough to protect both our security and those values. Senator Obama demonstrated real leadership then and since, continuing to raise Guantanamo and habeas corpus in his speeches and in the debates."

Senator Clinton also opposed the law. In 2006 she said: "If enacted, this law would give license to this Administration to pick people up off the streets of the United States and hold them indefinitely without charges and without legal recourse." She gets the danger; many of her colleagues do too. But this issue requires bold language and action. Senator Clinton has not foregrounded the issue of the subversion of the rule of law in her appearances or speeches; and I am very VERY sorry to say that she did not oppose torture until she opposed it.

I say this with regret: She and her husband really know how to run a country; they delivered eight years of peace and prosperity. I know her to be a skilled politician and motivated by sincere love of country. Mrs. Clinton would be a terrific executive -- in a stable democracy. But that is not enough right now. These are times that should try men's souls -- and women's also. In a closing society, a leader has to be willing to face down evil, engage it and call it by its name.

Remember: when activists started to push hard to raise awareness of the dangers of torture and indefinite detention, many on the Hill were scared to join the fight because it was then politically unpopular. But to me, if you are not really against torture -- always and under every political change in climate, and let us note that former torture victim and prisoner of war John McCain shamefully dropped his fight against the torture loopholes in the law as well -- then you are not really, in my view, fit to be an American President.

Gender has nothing to do with it. Race has nothing to do with it.

Integrity has something to do with it.

That is why Barack Obama has my vote. Of all the leading candidates, he is the only one on these issues who has consistently acted like a true American.

And if I hear -- as I am likely to -- from legions of US feminists outraged at me for choosing this man over that woman, I will gladly sit down and explain why I am certain that these issues are so urgent that they overshadow absolutely everything else.

Anyway, the man is a feminist; he has a woman-friendly policy vision. And while it would be a thrill to see the first woman elected President, in the last analysis, a real feminist need not define people or support on the basis of gender. Certainly not when our house -- with the precious Constitution held without representation within it -- is burning down.
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« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2008, 12:43:45 PM »

That is why Barack Obama has my vote. Of all the leading candidates, he is the only one on these issues who has consistently acted like a true American.

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted to reauthorize the anti-Bill of Rights/pro-police state "Patriot" Act?

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted to legalize the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens?

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted for the very "bailout" that you yourself described as a "coup"?

Oh, that's right, it's only anti-American fascism when Republicans support such things. How silly of me.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2008, 01:29:48 PM »

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Why Barack Obama Got My Vote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/why-barack-obama-got-my-v_b_89017.html

By Naomi Wolf

 
I just flew back from Australia, where I was speaking about the erosions of our civil liberties. Believe me, the rest of the world is agog at our inaction as what makes us Americans is being set aflame; and they are more scared of what an unsheathed US could do to the rest of the world than we are.

They also get more news out in the rest of the world about these depredations than we do here in our media bubble.



Yeah I think we all read that around 7-8 months ago, but since then Naomi has been pretty vocal about the obvious threats to the United States by a completely outlaw regime. 

Obviously she should explain her words back then which were written before the surveillance issue and most definitely before the BAILOUT bill.

After the Fascist BAILOUT bill, these are her words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

And they understandibly share the same emotions and urgency as these words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOp_9VfR6o

The anti-constitutional and illegal bailout has shattered the left/right false paradigm that used to keep people like Naomi Wolfe from having a voice in such a constitutional movement as the truth movement.  They really prematurely acted with that bill and people like Naomi no longer can find solice in faux Rockefeller/Rothschild faux anti-saviors like Obama as she has explained in her most recent radio interview.

It is indeed an amazing time to see the downfall of their two party tyranny and deception.
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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2008, 01:31:22 PM »

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted to reauthorize the anti-Bill of Rights/pro-police state "Patriot" Act?

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted to legalize the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens?

Was he acting like a "true American" when he voted for the very "bailout" that you yourself described as a "coup"?

Oh, that's right, it's only anti-American fascism when Republicans support such things. How silly of me.  Roll Eyes

dude she wrote it in february, Protean conveniently left out the date she wrote it.
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« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2008, 01:33:24 PM »

Has she got any current quotes re Obamanoid?
Some of the liberal folks I know love her and a NWolf putdown of Mr. Sock Puppet would be powerful...
so please send links if you have any.
I can't find any...
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« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2008, 01:40:31 PM »

Has she got any current quotes re Obamanoid?
Some of the liberal folks I know love her and a NWolf putdown of Mr. Sock Puppet would be powerful...
so please send links if you have any.
I can't find any...

I do not have seen anything recent except for the radio interview.

Also it is important to note that she wrote that to say that Barack has her vote in the fricking primaries!

Not the general election.


She worded the politically correct article to counteract the Bilderberg plan (as exposed by AJ and others) to put Clinton in the White House (running against Giuliani).  She assisted (along with AJ and others) to ensure that Hillary would not get close.  When she said my vote is for Barck it meant my vote is against Hillary.  She also had that article published in the Huffington Post which caters to a mostly democratic audience.  She was a Clinton advisor and to go against Clinton like that was fairly independent.
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« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2008, 02:10:18 PM »

dude she wrote it in february, Protean conveniently left out the date she wrote it.

Ah, ok, I assumed she wrote it within the past week. My bad.
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« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2008, 04:27:32 PM »

dude she wrote it in february, Protean conveniently left out the date she wrote it.


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The link is there and you can check the date. I actually found this link/story posted to Rense.com today.

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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2008, 04:36:08 PM »



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The link is there and you can check the date. I actually found this link/story posted to Rense.com today.

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(I knew the Naomi Wolf defenders would be out in full force.)

just like the Naomi Wolf attackers

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Damn the plot thickens concerning the timing of posting the article...

Why recirculate an 8 month old article done during the primaries to try and minimize the impact of her warning about the implications of the anti-constitutional bailout?

Jeff should have Naomi on the show, has he had her on before?
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« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2008, 05:15:15 PM »

just like the Naomi Wolf attackers

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Damn the plot thickens concerning the timing of posting the article...

Why recirculate an 8 month old article done during the primaries to try and minimize the impact of her warning about the implications of the anti-constitutional bailout?

Jeff should have Naomi on the show, has he had her on before?

Not that I've been able to find out--but I believe it was Devy Kidd, on Jeff's show this last week, that was discussing Naomi Wolf's recent surge in popularity.

I think Naomi helps swing more radical political people toward Obama, who would have voted independent.
But, for me, the jury is still out as to whether she is out of touch with the NWO picture or she's working as an agent to distract from the bigger issues--???---
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« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2008, 06:36:18 PM »


I think Naomi helps swing more radical political people toward Obama, who would have voted independent.


Well she ain't helping swing any people that I know of to vote for the Rothschild/Rockefeller Borg.  In fact, she was helpful (especially with that February article) in convincing many to go against Hitlery.

And her last video exposes the democratic leadership's agenda (including Obama's) to keep stealing from AMericans until fascism is declared.  She recommends alerting the jsutice systems throughout the states to arrest the leaders of the coup.  I think that does not fit well in the Obama campaign.  Have you seen her video yet?

And for anyone remotely thinking that Obama is any different, please watch this video ASAP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxHFELqmtE

And Jerome Corsi and Webster Tarpley (like her) have recommended voting for one NWO puppet to block another NWO puppet.  I still respect both Webster and Jerome for their work.  I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law.
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« Reply #91 on: October 12, 2008, 09:52:53 PM »

Well she ain't helping swing any people that I know of to vote for the Rothschild/Rockefeller Borg.  In fact, she was helpful (especially with that February article) 1. in convincing many to go against Hitlery.

2. And her last video exposes the democratic leadership's agenda (including Obama's) to keep stealing from AMericans until fascism is declared.  3. She recommends alerting the jsutice systems throughout the states to arrest the leaders of the coup.  I think that does not fit well in the Obama campaign.  Have you seen her video yet?

And for anyone remotely thinking that Obama is any different, please watch this video ASAP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxHFELqmtE

And Jerome Corsi and Webster Tarpley (like her) have recommended voting for one NWO puppet to block another NWO puppet.  I still respect both Webster and Jerome for their work.  I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law.

1. She helped pave the way for Obama?

2. "her last video exposes the democratic leadership's agenda (including Obama's)"
Which video was that? This one that started this thread? She is supportive of Obama in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

If not, please post the video you are talking about.

3. "I think that does not fit well in the Obama campaign."
It fits perfect, Obama is a Dem, the "arrest the leaders of the coup" are Repubs--the left right spin game.

I agree with you Obama is bad news--we'll most likely go into full tilt boogie fascism.

4. "I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law."

It shouldn't matter how "old" an article is, if it is relevant* and the author has not retracted their beliefs--if they have, then we need to add a note of the re-traction and if there has been a more recent article demonstrating this new view/retraction, it would be nice to have it posted as well.

* The relevance is for those of us posting on this forum, who are not sold on Naomi Wolf. This article she wrote comes out in support of Obama.
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« Reply #92 on: October 12, 2008, 10:44:14 PM »

1. She helped pave the way for Obama?

2. "her last video exposes the democratic leadership's agenda (including Obama's)"
Which video was that? This one that started this thread? She is supportive of Obama in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

If not, please post the video you are talking about.

3. "I think that does not fit well in the Obama campaign."
It fits perfect, Obama is a Dem, the "arrest the leaders of the coup" are Repubs--the left right spin game.

I agree with you Obama is bad news--we'll most likely go into full tilt boogie fascism.

4. "I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law."

It shouldn't matter how "old" an article is, if it is relevant* and the author has not retracted their beliefs--if they have, then we need to add a note of the re-traction and if there has been a more recent article demonstrating this new view/retraction, it would be nice to have it posted as well.

* The relevance is for those of us posting on this forum, who are not sold on Naomi Wolf. This article she wrote comes out in support of Obama.

1. helping to get hillery out of the race is cool by me

2. she specifically said that we cannot trust congress and exposed that the bailout equals fascism. how is obama immune to this?

3. she is banished from the campaign and has to resort to small radio programs. the leaders of the coup are now mostly democrat as the bill was only enacted because of pelosi, reid, frank, schumer, etc.  this is a dem bill all the way. the GOP was the most vocal against this

4. it most certainly should be relevant whether or not it is the only relevant thing is moot.  leaving out the date and the context (mainly going against hillery whom she was an advisor for) does not allow for a full independent opinion of it.  if the date and context should not matter, why not include it.

5. you still have not addressed something that has a more recent date and a much more relevant context:

"And Jerome Corsi and Webster Tarpley (like her) have recommended voting for one NWO puppet to block another NWO puppet.  I still respect both Webster and Jerome for their work.  I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law."

Is it not possible to look at the breath of her work (especially in the last year) as we do with Webster and Jerome?  perhaps it is not, i am just asking the question.

6. Also, has Rense had Naomi on like AJ did?  That interview was pretty amazing, I would love to hear JR interview her to find out wazzup.
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« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2008, 11:36:10 PM »



1. helping to get hillery out of the race is cool by me--not if we get something worse

2. she specifically said that we cannot trust congress and exposed that the bailout equals fascism. how is obama immune to this?
2. I thought you meant her speaking out against Bush and Co. for the Coup--that was in the first video, --from: Video/ Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty, Obama is immune in that Naomi is supportive of Obama in this interview and not including him in the bailout scheme, saying he may not get his chance in office, because Bush will stay on with his Martial Law

3. she is banished from the campaign and has to resort to small radio programs. the leaders of the coup are now mostly democrat as the bill was only enacted because of pelosi, reid, frank, schumer, etc.  this is a dem bill all the way. the GOP was the most vocal against this
I wasn't referring to this.

4. it most certainly should be relevant whether or not it is the only relevant thing is moot.  leaving out the date and the context (mainly going against hillery whom she was an advisor for) does not allow for a full independent opinion of it.  if the date and context should not matter, why not include it.
I didn't post it because it was part of the formatting at the top of the web page, and after a copy and paste it transferred email links, etc--I edited it out without thinking about the date, after all since I posted the link, it could be sourced for a date.

5. you still have not addressed something that has a more recent date and a much more relevant context:

"And Jerome Corsi and Webster Tarpley (like her) have recommended voting for one NWO puppet to block another NWO puppet.  I still respect both Webster and Jerome for their work.  I wonder why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy only for a primary should be recycled to address a very new perspective on the NWO's plans for martial law."
I have already answered this: why an 8 month old article proposing a similar strategy. Refer to my previous relevant comment.

Is it not possible to look at the breath of her work (especially in the last year) as we do with Webster and Jerome?  perhaps it is not, i am just asking the question.
Certainly it is possible--but hopefully that breath of her work will not excuse her from people asking questions about what she says and stands for.


Sane--let's agree to disagree on this issue. You have your views about her, I have mine.
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« Reply #94 on: October 12, 2008, 11:53:02 PM »

Sane--let's agree to disagree on this issue. You have your views about her, I have mine.


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« Reply #95 on: October 13, 2008, 10:43:09 AM »

Alex has just said he wants to get Naomi back on this week. Maybe she will set clear about her support for Obama. Hopefully she will be fully awake, but it usually takes longer than a month. We have been programed in the right/left paradigm for so long, it is difficult to break free. It would still be great to hear what she has to say. The right/left paradigm is also why we see such apathy in the non-affiliated, the people know something is wrong they just haven't connected the dots. Most become to frustrated to deal with it, but they just need to process all the info. 

Has anyone noticed the hatred these two political groups have for one another is growing? I have  started to wonder if they will break out in civil war. They call us paranoid, these 2 have the market cornered on paranoia.  
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« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2008, 02:44:47 AM »

I just looked at the video and the count on the views is now 311,020...and THANKs for that post!!  I've been sending out the link to those who are still blinded by woo.  That includes the people I work with, and they're passing it around as well. 
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« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2008, 02:46:04 AM »

This one deserves to be watched far and wide.  It's pretty short and sums things up very well.  She's calling for the arrest of the President and states that a coup has taken place on Oct 1st.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

Thanks...her count is up to 311, 020 with a 5 star rating.  Thanks guy!!!   Grin
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« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2008, 05:34:44 AM »

I believe Naomi is sincere in her plea(s) to stop this country from falling into tyranny, yet I still feel she is not quite ready to totally give up her left vs right paradigm thinking, the interview she did with Alex had me wondering how such a smart woman could miss so much that is obvious to you and I unless she still held to her old political beliefs even if only a little.

I found the interview on Utube would be a great starting point for hopefully awakening those on the edge, have made copies and giving them away.
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« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2008, 05:38:31 AM »

And I believe Naomi is nothing more than a left leaning dictator supporter just as the bush coolaid drinkers are right wing dictator supporters  If only they would lean over enough so that they fall and knock some sence into their skulls.
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« Reply #100 on: November 03, 2008, 09:30:19 AM »

I think we have covered Naomi Wolf's opinions extensively in these posts. When Obama is president and does something in the name of tyranny, where will she stand then? Until then it becomes a mute point in arguing for her or against her, but she is right about the neo-cons no matter where she comes from.

This forum has started to show the true Obama administration and its beliefs. Our intensive research in Obama will start earnestly as soon as he takes office. Then we will see our lefty posters here leave without haste. They believe left is right as long as they are in power, tyranny becomes more acceptable as long as their beliefs are the ones being enforced. Our enemy's enemy becomes our enemy very quickly when their policies are being implemented by tyranny.

Most of us have gravitated towards this forum because we are free to express our thoughts, we follow a different path then our neighbors. This forum has become a haven for the political outcast, but what is truly funny is our beliefs use to be main stream. Our neighbors have become progressive in their beliefs, while we have stayed true to form. I pledge, I will embrace my political beliefs with vigor and never back down from the growing hordes of Marxists or fascists.
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« Reply #101 on: November 03, 2008, 09:44:22 AM »

Our neighbors have become progressive in their beliefs, while we have stayed true to form.

As a progressive libertarian, I take issue with the implication that the term "progressive" signifies a belief in a fascist or communist dictatorship. It quite simply does not.
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« Reply #102 on: November 03, 2008, 11:31:47 AM »

As a progressive libertarian, I take issue with the implication that the term "progressive" signifies a belief in a fascist or communist dictatorship. It quite simply does not.

Common Geo, you know as well as I do the left take a lot of terms and uses them as their own. Liberal has been so bastardized by the left that it is used in exclusive terms of the left now. You ask people what the term progressive means in politics and most answer left or democrat point of view. They even have "Progressive Radio" and trust me it doesn't have many libertarian thoughts or beliefs. 

You want to take a movement like the libertarian movement and make another sub group out of it? How so provincial of you.       
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« Reply #103 on: November 03, 2008, 11:56:15 AM »

Common Geo, you know as well as I do the left take a lot of terms and uses them as their own. Liberal has been so bastardized by the left that it is used in exclusive terms of the left now.

The same could be said about the term "conservative," in view of how that term has been bastardized by neocons.

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You ask people what the term progressive means in politics and most answer left or democrat point of view.

See above.

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They even have "Progressive Radio" and trust me it doesn't have many libertarian thoughts or beliefs.

Likewise, if you say "conservative radio" to the average person on the street, he or she will think of Rush Limgaugh or Sean Hannity, not Alex Jones. 

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You want to take a movement like the libertarian movement and make another sub group out of it? How so provincial of you.

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It's the other way around: the libertarian movement has its roots in classical liberalism -- the philosophy of John Locke, Thomas Paine, Adam Smith, etc. -- and it was extreme right-wing ideologues (mostly from the Austrian School) who created a sub-group out of it.

I don't want to hijack this thread, so if you feel compelled to respond, please do so here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=60049.0
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