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« on: October 01, 2008, 07:26:21 PM »

The €400bn battle
Irish Independent
1 October 2008




THE Government last night battled for sweeping powers to allow it to step in and prevent troubled banks from going under.

Following a long day of drama, the full details finally emerged of Taoiseach Brian Cowen’s unprecedented €400bn guarantee to safeguard the country's six banks. But the wide-ranging new laws go far beyond just guaranteeing loans.

New legislation to back up €400bn worth of loan guarantees for banks, introduced to the Dail late last night, gives Finance Minister Brian Lenihan the ability to step in “as he sees fit” to help out with financial support, including loans, guarantees, exchange of assets, and buying up shares.

In effect, the legislation stops just short of nationalising a bank, if the Government thinks it is necessary, as it allows for a stake to be bought up. It also provides for the overriding of competition laws if a merger of a bank is required, similar to a recent case in Britain.

The action taken by the Government in giving €400bn worth of guarantees to six of the main banks prompted a bounce back on the domestic financial market.

However, the numerous delays in introducing the legislation to the Oireachtas were described as a “farce”, and the scale of the legislation sparked concerns on the opposition benches, especially since no reference is made in the law to the pay of chief executives of banks availing of the guarantees. There was also little detail on the level of scrutiny involved or on the amount the banks had to pay to get their loans guaranteed.

The day began with the Government decision to safeguard the Irish banking system being announced at 6:45am and ended with the Dail debate adjourning at midnight.

Mr Lenihan said the move was “in no way a bailout for the Irish financial system”.

“This guarantee is not ‘free’ and the taxpayer who ultimately underwrites this support will be remunerated for the value of the support provided. The terms and conditions on which the guarantee is provided will ensure that the taxpayer gets value for money,” he said.

Fine Gael, Labour and Sinn Fein backed the passing of the law in principle, but wanted their concerns addressed in this morning's debate.

Fine Gael said the specific powers it wanted in relation to regulation of banks was not dealt with. The party also wanted to ensure the legislation was robust and would pass the scrutiny of European Union directives.

Fine Gael finance spokesman Richard Bruton said the Government was seeking to play down the exposure of the taxpayer and the rules were being changed.

The Labour Party said it was alarmed by the lack of detail on how much the banks would have to contribute and wondered if deposits will flood towards Irish banks because of the added guarantees.

Labour finance spokesperson Joan Burton said there was no indication if any limitations would be put on the pay packets of executives in the banks who avail of the guarantees.

“This bill is an extraordinary blank cheque to the Minister for Finance, the Financial Regulator and the Central Bank to offer terms and conditions of support to banks,” she said.

Mr Cowen insisted there would be no exposure of the taxpayer in helping out the banks.

He said the stability of the Irish banking system would have been put at risk if he had done nothing in the face of the liquidity crisis facing Irish banks. The new law, the Credit Institutions (Protection) Bill 2008, was intended to be signed off on by the Dail and Seanad and signed by President Mary McAleese last night.

But debate on the legislation will continue today in both the Dail and Seanad, due to the delays in the drafting of the bill. The bill passed the second stage of the legislative process in the Dail last night and will be completed today.

The Government was forced into crisis talks after a sell-off across the four listed banks on Monday, following a raft of bailouts across Europe over the weekend.

Anglo Irish Bank, whose share price had tumbled 46.2pc on Monday, had borne the brunt of the collapse in confidence, and was understood to be main focus of the talks to avert an implosion in the system. The lender's stock rocketed 67.1pc higher yesterday in light of the Government lifeline.

One trader reported that Ireland may well be seen as the safe haven for European cash and investments after the Government's decision to underwrite the Irish banks.

However, among concerns raised were those voiced by the Financial Services Authority in Britain which suggested that the Irish action had resulted in depositors draining funds from British banks to place with Irish institutions.

There were also concerns that the Government guarantee could fall foul of the European Commission which last night said it would study the details of the guarantees to see whether they constituted illegal state aid.
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2008, 07:39:35 PM »

Get out of jail free.
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Do collect €400bn.
Laughing all the way to the banksters....
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2008, 07:42:38 PM »

Irish bank guarantee unfair, say competitors
http://euobserver.com/9/26840
1 October 2008




The Irish government's €400 billion plan to guarantee deposits and debts of six Irish banks has prompted protests from foreign-owned banks operating in the Republic.

The UK-owned Ulster Bank Group, Royal Bank of Scotland and Denmark's National Irish Bank have asked the Dublin authorities to be covered by the same guarantee, saying they will otherwise suffer a competitive disadvantage, reports the Irish Times.

"There is a clear risk that customers are going to move their money into another bank, which makes totally sense in the situation, we see in the world today," spokesperson Jonas Torp from Danske Bank told Danish media.

Danske Bank is the parent bank of the National Irish Bank. Client deposits in Danish banks are guaranteed by the state up to €40,000, but this does not cover clients using Irish branches of the bank.

The Irish guarantee also covers customers using UK branches of the six Irish banks concerned.

"If this is legal, then I'm a banana," a British senior banker told UK paper the Times, arguing that the Irish guarantee amounted to unfair state aid.

Irish bank shares crashed this week amid fears that depositors were pulling out their money, but they recovered as soon as the rescue plan was announced.

"In the absence of a Europewide system, there is an onus on the Irish government as the sovereign body with responsibility in this state to take action," Irish finance minister Brian Lenihan said, according to the Financial Times.

Money paid by the Irish state as financial support under the scheme will be repayable with interest once funds to do so are available to the company, the draft bill states.

The European Commission has so far held back on implementing EU state aid rules during the ongoing financial turbulence.

"The European Commission ... is supporting .. the decision of Irish government to guarantee deposits with Irish banks," the commission's chief spokesman Mr Laitenberger said at a press conference in Brussels on Tuesday (30 September).

"This shows that public authorities in Europe can live up to the task of preserving financial stability and protecting savings where different EU countries are concerned."

The Irish parliament is expected to pass the bill today, while Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen is in Paris for talks with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

A similar guarantee may be offered by the French government, with measures announced at the end of the week, a spokesperson for the French president said, according to the Irish Times.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2008, 07:48:16 PM »

Savings flow to Irish accounts as Republic offers solid guarantee
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4856987.ece
1 October 2008




Savers on both sides of the Irish Sea started to empty accounts of UK banks and put the proceeds into Irish-owned banks in the wake of a controversial plan by the Republic of Ireland yesterday to guarantee all deposits.

Dublin was accused of making matters worse for non-Irish banks, with corporate treasurers and large savers pulling money out and putting it into the safer haven of Irish banks.

“If this is legal, then I’m a banana,” one disappointed senior British banker said, arguing that the Irish guarantee amounted to unfair state aid.

Lord Lipsey, the chairman of the Financial Services Consumer Panel in the UK, said it was “a national disgrace” that British depositors might be worse compensated than their Irish counterparts in the event of a bank failure. The dispute erupted as British bank chief executives were preparing to argue for policy changes to tackle the financial crisis. A conference call with Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, was scheduled for last night.

Some banks would like there to be a more explicit deposit guarantee announcement from the Government; others want a relaxation of the rules of the Bank of England’s Special Liquidity Scheme.

The Irish Government announced the guarantee in an attempt to avert a run on the Republic’s banks. Irish bank shares crashed on Monday amid fears that depositors were pulling out their money.

Anglo Irish Bank’s shares rose by 68 per cent after Brian Lenihan, the Irish Finance Minister, announced the €400 billion (£317 billion) guarantee. The Government will also underwrite the banks’ loans and debts for an undisclosed fee. The guarantee extends to hundreds of thousands of savers in the UK, who hold deposits with the banks’ subsidiaries, including savers with cash in accounts run by the Post Office.

“If funds are not secured by the Irish banks, it will be a very, very serious matter for the economic life of this community,” Mr Lenihan said.

Brian Cowen, the Taoiseach, told the Dail: “The option of doing nothing, of not making a move, would put at risk the entire stability of the Irish financial system.”

UK depositors using UK branches of Allied Irish Bank and Bank of Ireland are covered.

Irish banks said yesterday that British customers were clamouring to open sterling accounts. Allied Irish Bank, which has £12 billion in UK deposits, mainly from corporate customers, reported an increase in interest from new customers yesterday and said that its website had been swamped with inquiries.

Savings accounts offered by the UK Post Office are covered by the guarantee because they are administered by the Bank of Ireland.

Angela Knight, the head of the British Bankers’ Association, acknowledged that UK banks would lose out. “You’re bound to see a bit of flow,” she said. “Governments will need to iron these things out.”

Although ministers have assured depositors in British banks that their savings are safe, they have stopped short of issuing an explicit government guarantee, as they were forced to do for Northern Rock depositors in the wake of the panic in September last year. President Sarkozy, of France, and Didier Reynders, the Belgian Finance Minister, have made much more straightforward promises to depositors in the past few days.

Kevin McConnell, an analyst for Bloxham Stockbrokers, said that the Irish Republic was now the safest place in Europe for global depositors to store funds. “This could act as a blueprint for a lot of countries across Europe in how they fix the credit crisis,” he said.

However, the move could backfire and hit the credit rating of the Republic. Credit default swaps on Irish sovereign debt - basically, insurance policies against default - ballooned yesterday.

One policy reform being pushed by some British banks is an extension of the Bank of England’s Special Liquidity Scheme to allow assets of inferior quality to be pledged in return for highly tradable government bonds. At present, only high-quality securitised mortgage assets can be pledged, but bankers are pushing to be allowed to offer securities backed by buy-to-let mortgages, self-certified mortgages and even more toxic assets.

Some banks are also pressing hard for measures to insulate them from mark-to-market accounting rules, which force them to write down the value of assets to market levels.

Treasury insiders and other well-placed official sources played down any immediate prospect of a “grand plan” to bail out British banks.

Any decision was likely to wait to see whether the US Congress approves a revamped bailout plan for the financial industry, which larger British banks are expected to be able to access.
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US must take responsibility for global crisis, Brussels says
http://euobserver.com/9/26835
1 October 2008




EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Commission has expressed impatience with Washington over the defeat of a $700 billion bailout for Wall Street, calling on the US to "take responsibility" for the crisis. Meanwhile, fears are growing that the money central banks are pumping into markets are not putting out the financial fire.

Calling the Monday vote by the US House of Representatives a "disappointment," commission spokesperson Johannes Laitenberger in unusually strong language said on Tuesday (30 September) that "the turmoil we are facing has originated in the United States. It has become a global problem."

"The US has a special responsibility in this situation [and] the commission expects the decision will go through soon. The US must take its responsibility [and] must show statesmanship for the sake of their own country and for the sake of the world."

The commission expects "the decision to go through soon" despite the bill's initial failure, he added, contrasting Europe's response to the events.

"The last few hours have once again shown that European authorities are assuming their responsibilities. Europe is engaging and calling for international cooperation," Mr Laitenberger said, highlighting a call by the French EU presidency for an international conference on the crisis in autumn.

With the crisis still unfolding, the Irish government on Tuesday decided to guarantee all deposits held in the country's banks along with all money borrowed by the banks for two years.

Dublin made the €400 billion move following a massive decline in the shares of Irish banks Allied Irish, Anglo Irish Bank, Bank of Ireland, Irish Life and Permanent, Irish Nationwide Building Society and the Educational Building Society.

In mainland Europe, the Belgian and French governments gave €6.4 billion of tax payers' money to rescue Belgo-French bank Dexia, the world's biggest lender to local governments.

"The European Commission ... is supporting [government action to rescue] Dexia and the decision of Irish government to guarantee deposits with Irish banks," the commission's Mr Laitenberger explained. "This shows that public authorities in Europe can live up to the task of preserving financial stability and protecting savings where different EU countries are concerned."

Liquidity loans hoarded

The EU official also praised national central banks in Europe and the Frankfurt-based European Central Bank (ECB) for providing liquidity to struggling money markets, saying the ECB has done a "superb job."

Brussels' praise came despite concerns that some private banks were taking ECB money and re-depositing it with the ECB for safe-keeping, instead of lending it to other banks to get markets moving again.

Banks have as of Monday "parked €44 billion with the ECB deposit facility" ECB spokesperson William Lelieveldt told EUobserver, citing the most up to date figures available. This figure was €1.4 billion one week ago on 23 September, climbing to €4.2 billion on 25 September and hitting €28 billion by 26 September.

"It is true that this is a relatively high amount," said Mr Lelieveldt. "But this must be compared to the much larger sums provided to these banks by the ECB."

Some economists say government action may be required to get banks to lend to each other once again.

"Banks are hoarding their money as there is no expectation that loaning money will be profitable and not loss-making," UK economist Barry Gills of Newcastle University said. "Central banks have been injecting massive amounts of liquidity for months but the insolvency problem within banks is actually spreading."

"All this liquid is not putting out the fire," he said.

"We need a much higher level of co-ordinated action than at member state or even EU level. We need a global regulator. It's the logical outflow of the globalisation of finance - the globalisation of financial regulation," he added.

The expert predicted that economies in eastern Europe, especially Ukraine and the Baltic states, will find it harder than old Europe to weather the storm, saying the International Monetary Fund may have to be called in to deliver stabilisation loans.

'Casino capitalism'

The Socialist group in the European Parliament meanwhile is demanding the "urgent and profound reform of the worldwide financial system."

"This crisis confirms the excesses of casino capitalism," Socialist group leader Martin Schultz said, denouncing "a savage capitalism that no longer invests in enterprise and the creation of jobs, but contents itself to let loose to make money with more money."

The Green group questioned the European Commission's position on government bailouts of ailing banks.

"The commission seems to have suspended its normal operating procedure of responding to mergers and state aid and this may be okay given the scale of the emergency, but in the longer term what we need is a joined-up politics," British Green MEP Caroline Lucas told EUobserver. "The solution to the financial crisis is the solution to the ecological crisis."

Echoing US President Theodore Roosevelt's reaction to the Great Depression in the 1930s - his 'New Deal' - Ms Lucas called for a stricter regulatory regime and concomitant investment in environmental protection providing jobs to prevent social fall-out from the crisis.

"We need a green New Deal - the re-regulation of the financial system and massive investment in green infrastructure, renewable energies, new technologies and so on that will deliver quality jobs to Europeans - the hiring of a carbon army, if you will - to ensure we don't have millions thrown into unemployment."
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Bill allows State to take stake in any financial institution given aid
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1001/1222724599362.html
1 October 2008




THE GOVERNMENT'S emergency legislation to guarantee the Irish banking system will allow the State to take a stake in any financial institution that receives financial support from the exchequer.

The Bill gives the Minister for Finance wide-ranging powers to protect financial institutions and allows for competition law to be set aside to allow bank mergers, if deemed necessary to protect the stability of the financial system.

In an unprecedented move, the Government pledged early yesterday to guarantee deposits and debts totalling €400 billion at six Irish-owned lenders in a move to protect the country's financial system after Irish bank shares suffered their greatest fall in more than a quarter of a century on Monday. The liabilities amount to almost 10 times the value of the national debt of about €45 billion.

The aim of the move, which guarantees the banking system for two years, is to improve the banks' access to international funds frozen by the global credit crunch.

Introducing the Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008, the Minister for Finance, Brian Lenihan, told the Dáil last night that it was not about protecting the interests of the banks but about safeguarding the economy and everyone who lived and worked in this country.

He added that the guarantee to the banks was not "free" and taxpayers would be remunerated for the value of the support provided.

"There is understandable concern that the Exchequer is potentially significantly exposed by this measure. I want to reassure the House and the Irish people that this is not the case. The risk of any potential financial exposure from this decision is significantly mitigated by a very substantial buffer made up of the equity and other risk capital," said Mr Lenihan.

He added that total assets of the six Irish financial institutions concerned exceed their guaranteed liabilities by approximately €80 billion - half of Ireland's total GNP.

"By any measure there is, therefore, a very significant buffer before there is any question of the guarantee being called upon," he said.

The Bill enables the Minister to set a higher charge for the State guarantee on financial institutions which have been engaged in higher risk lending. This is designed to counter the "moral hazard" argument of the Government being seen to support banks that take higher risks.

AIB, Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank, Irish Life Permanent, Irish Nationwide Building Society and EBS building society, as well as their subsidiaries, are all covered. Stock markets responded positively to the guarantee, as Irish financials rose 28 per cent. Anglo Irish Bank, the third-largest Irish publicly-quoted bank, rose 67 per cent, recovering all of the ground lost on Monday.

Foreign-owned banks operating in Ireland, including UK-owned Ulster Bank Group, Bank of Scotland (Ireland) and the Danish-owned National Irish Bank, have asked the Government to be covered by the guarantee, claiming the scheme will put them at a competitive disadvantage.

Today's talks in Paris between the Taoiseach and French president Nicolas Sarkozy will be dominated by the global financial crisis, and, in particular, the Irish Government's bank guarantee. Last night, the president's spokesman said Mr Sarkozy "has followed and discussed" with Mr Cowen the Government's move.

A similar guarantee will be offered by the French government, with measures announced at the end of the week, the spokesman said.

The European Commission has said it will investigate whether the Government bank guarantee breaches EU law, but it has also signalled that it would continue to adopt a flexible approach to implementing EU state aid rules.

The emergency Dáil debate only began at 10 pm last night having being deferred on four occasions during the evening. Instead of passing all stages in the Dáil and Seanad last night as planned, the committee and report stages of the Bill will be taken today, as will the Seanad debate.

Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny described the continued adjournments of the Dáil as "high farce" while Labour chief whip Emmet Stagg said he had never witnessed such chaos.

The Bill specifies that all financial support provided shall, so far as possible, ultimately be recouped from any bank that receives support. It also allows the Minister for Finance to regulate the competitive behaviour and commercial conduct of banks that receive such support.

Where financial support is provided to banks it will be reviewed by the Minister to establish when it is no longer necessary. He will also report to the Dáil on the level of any support provided and the payments made in return.

The decision to proceed by way of a Bill to support banks in difficulty was taken by the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance in the early hours of yesterday morning after meetings at Government Buildings involving the Attorney General Paul Gallagher SC, senior officials, Central Bank governor John Hurley, and the chairman and chief executives of AIB and Bank of Ireland, the country's two biggest banks.

The decision was approved by an "incorporeal" Cabinet meeting at which Ministers were consulted on the phone through the Cabinet secretary, Dermot McCarthy.

The option of allowing one particular bank to fail and then moving to nationalise it was seriously considered, but it was decided that legislation to protect the entire banking system would had a better prospect of achieving long-term stability.
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Financial hurricane that put the wind in Brian Lenihan's sails
Irish Independent
5 October 2008





It was just after 6pm last Monday, following a day of absolute turmoil on the Irish stock exchange. Taoiseach Brian Cowen, in his impressive oak-lined office in Government Buildings, took a call from AIB CEO Eugene Sheehy and Bank of Ireland CEO Brian Goggin -- two of the best paid and most senior bankers in the country, who told him starkly: "We have a major problem."

The problem they spoke of was a crisis in liquidity and confidence in the Irish banking sector. The bankers -- backed by the governor of the Central Bank -- were calling on the Government to urgently bail them out, even though some of them had been utterly reckless in their trading.

The events of last week are unprecedented in the recent history of the State. Bank bailouts, emergency legislation, crisis meetings, cabinet votes taken over the phone in the middle of the night, overnight parliamentary sessions, unanswered questions and international rancour at our unilateral action -- all in the space of 48 hours.

This saga began early last month when officials at the Department of Finance, the Central Bank and the National Treasury Management Agency met amid growing concern about the stability of the Irish banking system.

Due to overexposure to the collapsed property sector, and the international credit crisis, Irish banks were finding it very tough to raise money. A sharp 60 per cent drop in their share prices in less than a year reflected this. The Government, on foot of recommendations from the Central Bank, felt it needed a contingency plan in case an Irish bank was to go to the wall.

Move forward to Brian Cowen's visit to the United States, in the wake of the collapse of Lehman brothers. He was confronted first-hand by the stark reality of a major bank going under. Senior sources said that, on his return, he called in his own officials and Department of Finance personnel, and instructed them to get a plan together, and quickly.

Last weekend, as the papers here were full of coverage of the pending Budget, and as Bradford and Bingley bank was being nationalised in Britain, and politicians in Washington edged closer to a $700bn bailout deal, officials here were working late into the night on that plan. When they awoke last Monday morning, none of them expected the 72 hours they had ahead of them.

Given the recent turmoil in banking, and the introduction of the €100,000 State deposit guarantee, regular meetings were taking place between the Government, the Central Bank, Financial Regulator Patrick Neary, and senior management of the banks. Such a meeting took place early last Monday at the Central Bank.

Present were several of the CEOs, including AIB's Eugene Sheehy, Bank of Ireland's Brian Goggin, Fergus Murphy of the EBS and senior officials from Brian Lenihan's Finance Department.

The banks made it very clear how shaky the liquidity position was. Sources close to the meeting said the phrase "tipping point" was used heavily, and finance officials were made aware of how close at least one bank was to going under. Nationalisation was discussed, but it was felt that the danger did not merit that. It was also made clear, that the Budget was the key priority for the next three weeks and any plan would have to wait.

But events on Monday changed all that, very quickly. Firstly the Irish stock market suffered its worst day since January 5, 1983, dropping a record 13 per cent. The banks were the worst affected. Anglo Irish's share price dropped by 46.2 per cent, while Irish Life and Permanent fell 37 per cent. Then came the rejection of the US bailout package by the House of Representatives, prompting a sharp drop in the US stock markets, which suffered the worst losses since the October 1987 crash. The Dow Jones recorded its biggest one-day drop ever.

Things were bad, very bad and action was needed immediately, the banks said.

Shortly after the markets closed, AIB CEO Eugene Sheehy and Bank of Ireland CEO Brian Goggin called Brian Cowen's office.

They warned that the Irish banks couldn't sustain another day like they just had on the markets, and they needed a protection plan overnight. It has also emerged that the Central Bank considered the option of nationalisation but this was resisted by the banks, thus adding to the crisis.

A call was also made from the governor of the Central Bank, John Hurley, to Finance Minister Brian Lenihan -- who later claimed the bold guarantee ahead was prompted by his belief that the entire "house of cards" that is the banking system was about to collapse.

Events on the stock market and in the US had brought the crisis to a head and the Irish banking system was seriously threatened -- because there wasn't enough money for at least one of the banks to meet their cash flow needs.

"At that time, I had to inform the Minister that the risks to financial stability were becoming unacceptably high with knock-on effects for the wider economy," Mr Hurley said later.

At 8pm on Monday, Brian Cowen summoned Brian Lenihan and they discussed how best to move forward. Very soon after, senior officials from the Central Bank -- including John Hurley and the bank's director general Tony Grimes, the Financial Regulator Patrick Neary, and core finance people from Brian Lenihan's team, gathered at Government Buildings. The Attorney General Paul Gallagher SC also arrived.

The Taoiseach's top advisor, Joe Lennon, economics advisor, Peter Clinch, and Government press spokesman Eoin O Neachtain were also in attendance.

The officials split up into sub-groups to discuss specific issues, and were told by Brian Cowen to present him with a range of options which the Government could choose from. Interestingly, it has emerged that the option chosen could have been the inspiration of an outside figure. Senior government sources have said the suggestion came from JP McManus, while Dermot Desmond's name has also been associated with the plan. David McWilliams has led the charge to claim the credit for it, much to the ire of Lenihan and his officials.

However, even more intriguing is the confirmation this weekend that former Irish finance minister and now EU Commissioner Charlie McCreevy played a role in the formulation of the plan.

The initiative announced last Tuesday morning bears the hallmarks of a Charlie McCreevy masterstroke -- and it is no coincidence that he was confirmed to have played some part in its development.

Amid the backdrop of the mounting financial crisis, Lenihan met McCreevy in Nice during last month's gathering of Europe's finance ministers and the pair had a "long discussion" about the various contingency plans that were being explored by the Government.

According to senior government sources, McCreevy was also in regular contact with his former cabinet colleagues during the process, and was the first EU Commissioner to be told of the Irish decision to go ahead with the guarantee plan.

Shortly before 10pm on Monday, the Cabinet's secretariat began contacting members to inform them of what was going on.

At about the same time, AIB chairman Dermot Gleeson and chief executive Eugene Sheehy, along with Bank of Ireland chairman Richard Burrows and chief executive Brian Goggin, arrived at the Taoiseach's department for a face-to-face crisis meeting. They were led to the Sycamore Room and were left to stew as Cowen and team discussed policy.

Speaking to the Sunday Independent, Brian Lenihan said: "We had substantial discussions ourselves, the Taoiseach, myself, the governor of the Central Bank before we met the banks.

"They came to the room and we heard what they had to say, and we asked them to leave the room. It's very important when representations are being made to you -- by whatever source -- that policy is not discussed with them."

The chief executives of the other four financial institutions which would eventually be covered by the guarantee, didn't know about the meeting until very late. They were merely contacted about what was going on.

EBS chief executive Fergus Murphy and other senior management were actually on their way to a function in Donegal on Monday evening when they heard about what was going on.

"They could hardly complain, could they, about what was happening -- especially the likes of Anglo and Irish Life and Permanent -- given the day that they had had on Monday. They were the beggars at the feast," one senior Government source said.

As midnight passed, Mr Sheehy and Mr Goggin were brought in and informed of which option the Government intended on taking -- the system-wide €400bn guarantee of all deposits, bonds and debts owed by AIB, Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank, Irish Life and Permanent, Irish Nationwide and the EBS.

"They were told, in no uncertain terms, that this was not a free pass, and that the Government would be insisting on hard assurances in order to stand over the guarantee," according to the senior source.

For over an hour, specific legal, public relations and operational matters were hammered out before Goggin and Sheehy left the department to go home.

Despite it being almost 1.30am, officials -- led by Department of Finance Secretary General David Doyle and his deputy Kevin Cardiff -- continued to tweak the intended press statement, and began drafting the relevant Bill for the pending Dail and Seanad debates later that day.

It was at this stage that the incorporeal cabinet meeting took place, which means that cabinet ministers were contacted by phone and asked to vote for or against the plan.

It has emerged that, while the majority voted in favour of the plan, several ministers voiced concerns and asked for more details.

With the cabinet vote sealed, the Taoiseach and the Finance Minister left for home for some sleep. It was at this stage that the first official contact was made with the EU. Lenihan arrived back in the department at about 6am, and the first thing he did was make a call to Jean Claude Juncker, chairman of the Eurogroup, to inform him officially of the Irish decision. He also made calls to Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore to inform them of what was going on.

As the country awoke, unaware of the night's drama, Lenihan addressed a hastily arranged press conference, announcing to the country and to the world that Ireland had taken this drastic step to safeguard the Irish banking sector.

The nation's media quickly sought to get a handle on what exactly the guarantee meant, and Europe quickly gave its damning verdict on Ireland's unilateral move.

Some of Europe's top politicians, including French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde were furious with Ireland for going it alone -- as was British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's government.

The Cabinet met on Tuesday afternoon for an extended discussion on the guarantee, before the shambolic start to the debate in the Dail on Tuesday night. For various reasons, the debate was delayed four times and the opposition were furious that they were only given 15 minutes to view the plan before the debate. Brian Cowen strongly defended the move in the Dail, which sat until 11.40pm and adjourned until the following morning.

The move certainly had an impact on the stock market as it rebounded by 8 per cent on Tuesday. Brian Cowen was not in the Dail when proceedings recommenced on Wednesday morning. He was in France meeting President Nicholas Sarkozy, and would later report that his new friend supported the move.

He was back in time for the final round of debate, which ran late into the night. Leinster House was a hive of activity like it hasn't seen since the several heaves against Charlie Haughey in the Eighties. Electricity was in the air and TDs and senators from all parties seemed to revel in the novelty of the occasion. As one senior Fianna Fail TD said: "There's nothing like the smell of a crisis to get the adrenaline going".

Brian Lenihan told the Dail during the debate: "There is understandable concern that the Exchequer is potentially significantly exposed by this measure. I want to reassure the Irish people that this is not the case. The risk of any potential financial exposure from this decision is significantly mitigated by a very substantial buffer made up of the equity and other risk capital."

The Dail bar was buzzing, but as news deadlines came and went, the number of hacks began to dwindle down to the hardcore team who were prepared to stay with it until the very end.

Shortly after 2am on Thursday morning, the Dail overwhelmingly passed the bill, by 124 votes to 18, after a number of changes had been made. Fine Gael, despite having some concerns, voted en bloc with the Government, while Labour voted against it on a point of principle.

Fine Gael was exposed badly on this. While Richard Bruton may have known what this was all about, many others on the FG front bench, including the dangerously quiet Enda Kenny, were not so solid. Tom Hayes, the party chairman said his party was prepared to "trust the Government" and supported the deal in the national interest.

In contrast, Eamon Gilmore, Labour leader said too many questions hadn't been answered and it was not acceptable to support something when they were being asked to vote blind.

He said: "What is the full extent of the exposure of the Irish taxpayer? What will the banks pay for this cover? What will the impact be on the cost of borrowing by the Irish Government, with further knock-on consequences for the Irish taxpayer?

"We did not get satisfactory answers to those questions on Tuesday. We did not get them during the Dail debate. And we still have not got them -- even with the legislation now passed. As I said on Tuesday morning, the Labour Party was not opposed to action being taken to rescue the banking system. Now that the guarantee has been given, I hope it works."

Things then moved on to the upper house for debate, which began just after 2.30am, with Lenihan present. One of his cabinet colleagues said: "He's had a rough few months, but this allows him a chance to show his qualities. Just look at him tonight, he's revelling in the storm."

Immediate reaction to the move was mixed. On radio, the next day, Colm McCarthy, UCD economist said that the Government was punishing the prudent banks and rewarding the reckless, and speculated that one of the lucky six could now have negative capital.

He said: "What the Irish Government has done is written a blank cheque for double the country's GNP. No bank has been deemed sufficiently reckless as so to be told to go off and fail. Every bank is being treated the same. One of those six banks in my opinion has been very prudent over the years, one wildly imprudent -- but both are equally wonderful in the eyes of the Government.

"This could cost an awful lot of money. The stock markets are saying the banks have lost an awful lot of their capital and the share prices of the banks are a quarter of what they were a year ago. It is entirely likely that one of the banks could have negative capital."

It has emerged, meanwhile, that Lenihan had also received two phone calls from his British counterpart Alistair Darling on Wednesday, who pleaded for the Government to think twice and later to do something to prevent a run of money to the Irish banks based in the UK. It also emerged that Gordon Brown made calls to the president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, in disgust at the Irish move.

Pressure was also brought to bear on Lenihan to extend the guarantee to the foreign banks based here, also to ensure they don't experience a run. Bank of Scotland, National Irish and Ulster Bank applied for inclusion in the scheme, and Lenihan said he would consider all applications.

By late Thursday, a relative calm had been restored, but the focus of the guarantee had turned to the likely cost of it to the banks.

"Everyone is waiting to see what form the guarantee will take, the devil is in the detail as they say, so we must wait and see," one senior bank source said.

It was confirmed by the Sunday Independent that several of the more prudent banks, like the EBS and Irish Permanent, were applying for individual deals, partly because they felt they did not want to be penalised by the more reckless elements in Irish banking.

It also emerged on Thursday that Michael Ahern, chairman of the Oireachtas Finance Committee, is to call the heads of the banks back to Leinster House to explain themselves.

"We need to discuss how the current banking situation came about and how things changed since our previous meeting. We also need to get some assurances and detailed answers from the banks on how they plan to proceed in light of the Government guarantee."

By Friday, the short term joy of getting one over on the Eurocrats and the British was replaced by the fingering of blame as to how this crisis came about. There was increased pressure on the Financial Regulator Patrick Neary -- and many felt his dismissive performance on RTE's Prime Time did little to relieve the pressure on him. There was mounting criticism from the opposition and within government circles about his role.

It also emerged on Friday that Michael Fingleton Jnr, the son of Irish Nationwide boss Michael Fingleton Snr, had sent out a predatory email touting for business in the UK on the back of the Irish government guarantee.

He was widely criticised by all sides, including the Taoiseach, who said it was "unacceptable."

There were mounting calls for him to be removed from his position.

In almost perfect symmetry, the US House of Representatives finally passed a watered down version of the bailout package late on Friday, which is expected to greatly relieve concerns on the international markets.

Attention now moves to what form this Irish deal will take, and Brian Lenihan is correct: we are in the eye of the storm, and this is only the beginning of the reform.

The guarantee was not the silver bullet or panacea to Ireland's financial problems, but it allows time for the greedy bankers to get their houses in order.
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Titanic Bailouts to Sink Ireland And The West
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When the banks cash in the €400 billion promise the Irish government has guaranteed them, which bankers from around the world have praised, the 4.2 million people of Ireland, all the men, women, and even all the children will owe €94,343 each. €377,372 for a family of four. The Daily Mail is the only paper I know of to have published this, “the £315billion [€400 billion] cost leaves each Irish resident liable to the tune of £75,000. It is nine times the country’s national debt.” If the U.S. was to adopt the same reckless measures as Irish politicians, and also pledged €94,343 ($128,098) to the bankers for it’s population of 305 million people it would add €28.8 trillion ($39 trillion) to it’s national debt, the international community would be discussing it’s complete and utter bankruptcy despite the U.S. military might propping up the Dollar.

Last week international investors placed large bets that Ireland will go completely bust after Irish politicians unwisely guaranteed banks a titanic €400 billion. Such bets on bankruptcy are placed on the international level through Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and they went through the roof to the highest level in recorded Irish history of CDS at 63.5. “The decision lead to the CDS swaps on Irish sovereign debt blowing out in the last two days,” Hugh Hendry, chief investment officer and Partner at Eclectica Fund, told CNBC last Thursday. He said, “That is the market’s best estimate, best hunch, as to the probability of defaulting on debt. And we have similar probabilities for corporations, we do it everyday. And the reality now is the market believes that McDonalds, the burger chain, is of greater integrity, greater solvency, greater robustness than Ireland.”

The Daily Mail reported the following:


How can Ireland afford it?

The reality is that it can’t. The total liabilities of the six institutions involved are more than three times Ireland’s total economic output. And the move has led to an increase in the cost of borrowing for the Dublin government.

In the past every time a very large company engaged in criminal management that put it on the brink of bankruptcy the same excuse currently being used has always been used: “[Insert Company Name] is so large that to let if fail would do more damage to the economy, jobs, and the [nationality] people.” However these bailouts cause every citizen to pay for the bad debts and keep failed but favoured businesses going. When bankers changed the leading and leveraging rules 10 years ago they knew from past experiences the more reckless they are the safer the guarantee, paid by the citizens. Hugh Hendry also told CNBC, “we have seen in the last ten years something unprecedented. It was never the case, your loans were never twice your deposits, never until the last ten years. And that was a massive, massive gaming of the system. Politicians stand up with bailout plans[…] there is no such thing, we end up paying for it. What I contend is leverage ratios of 30 or 50 to 1. That is bank of America today, that is Barclays bank today, that is HBOS today.”

Government aided large scale monopolies have been the status quo (especially in the U.S.) for decades. How can capitalist countries allow this one might ask? On the large scale the West has not been capitalist for over 100 years, this is not the fall of “capitalism”, what is happening is the rise of something else.

Last year Ireland was listed as the fifth richest country in the world based on GDP, not based on hospital quality or anything like that, but in 1987 Ireland’s national debt to GDP stood at a whopping 117%. When the banks cash in on the Irish government’s non-existent kitty, the titanic €400 billion guarantee (the number thought needed and signed into law) will have to be borrowed and it will bring the people of Ireland’s debt to over 240% to the current GDP. The hard times of the 80’s are going to be a picnic compared to the new Ireland and new Western world that will emerge from this astronomical debt. Are you ready for that?

The high gross national product (GDP) over the last few years allowed Ireland to payout approximately €1.8 billion per year in interest on our relatively small national debt. If Ireland borrows the €400 billion at 0%, which certainly won’t happen, and Ireland pays money directly off this massive debt it would take over 220 years to clear. 220 years at the same Celtic Tiger economy level. That is the best case scenario when the current politicians in control of Ireland’s government sellouts the nation by borrowing billions from international bankers to keep others bankers in business who’s criminal management guaranteed the people’s savings would be wiped out. Instead of only bailing out the country’s savings and arresting bankers responsible, the Irish finance minister Brian Lenihan spoke with central bankers and decided to bailout the bank’s bad loans, a much larger sum than the savings. The bailout was then voted for by the majority of politicians. The individuals in control of the Irish government are the same ones who agreed to 0% commission on Ireland’s natural gas it gave away to Shell. Do you still have faith they serve your best interests?

There is a cost to creating more money, there is a cost to creating more money, there is a cost to creating more money, otherwise we’d have an unlimited funded utopia. The cost is higher costs, when more money is created, eventually prices rise to catch up. All the money created to pay these non-capitalism global bailouts to save bank profits will devalue your savings, your savings will buy less as prices rise. Banking profits from ignorance, Banking is built on deception that would be called financial fraud in any other type of business, so if you have misunderstood this before that is they way you were supposed to “understand” it. Can you see wealthy bankers sitting back laughing when politicians and the main stream media tell the public these bank bailouts are to protect your savings knowing it will cause prices to rise? Excessively wealthy private bank owners in the western world have put almost every nation in the same situation. In addition to bailout money the private ECB, as declared in the Maastricht treaty,  is creating billions of Euro everyday to keep European banks from sinking. Meanwhile the U.S. is continuing to add billions to the trillion it created a few weeks ago. Hyper inflation will occur as these trillions of Euros and Dollars are manifested on computer screens. Who will be laughing when almost all the citizen’s of the west will be plunged into debt, debt that will take generations of labour to pay off? We are going in to a new world system. On CNBC the chief investment officer and Partner at Eclectica Fund brought up the point, “if that is allowed to stand it will bring down the Euro, the Euro is not a tenable currency if you have member states making such decisions. There is no such thing as a free lunch, politicians have got to understand it. The reality is there is no such thing as a free lunch.”


Irish Times:

TWO FOREIGN-OWNED Irish banks have been requested to forward detailed submissions to the Department of Finance progressing their applications to join the Government’s guarantee scheme

Including Ulster Bank and Halifax-Bank of Scotland (Ireland) would increase the liabilities covered in the guarantee from €400 billion to about €490 billion, with Ulster Bank accounting for roughly €60 billion and Halifax-Bank of Scotland (Ireland) about €30 billion.

Do you support the bailout in its current form? There is still time to demand the government throw out the legislation that covers bad debt.


The Crisis Tool

International elites tend to gain a number of plunders from crisis they create; one involves “solutions” that give greater centralized control.

New York Times reports, “benefit from the current turmoil is that it often takes a crisis to propel European integration forward. ‘Progress in Europe is usually the result of a crisis,’ Mr. Eijffinger [adviser to the European parliament] said. ‘This could be one of those rare moments in E.U. history.’”

Before last Saturday’s  “mini-summit” of European leaders the International Monetary Fund chief, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said,“the banks’ losses are the worst we’ve ever seen,” and “the IMF thinks it’s a global problem that needs a global response.”

Was the desired result of the solutions thought of first and the right crisis to bring it about second? Do elites think like this?

May 1990, West Magazine Canada publishes an article from journalist Daniel Wood on his Maurice Strong interviews. Elitist Maurice Strong was co-chairman of the World Economic Forum, Secretary-General of the UN Environment Program, president of the World Federation of United Nations and held many other high positions. The article describes Maurice Strong boasting about a novel idea, “each year, he explains as background to the telling of the novel’s plot[…] he then says: ‘What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries[…] They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about? This group of world leaders, bring about an economic collapse. These aren’t terrorists. They’re world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world’s commodity and stock markets. They’ve engineered, using their access to stock exchanges and computers and gold supplies, a panic.’ I sit there spellbound. This is not any storyteller talking, this is Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it. ‘I probably shouldn’t be saying things like this,’ he says.”
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 02:07:12 PM »

and your point is?



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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 06:36:32 PM »

It's news from another country wiseass Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 10:05:48 AM »

EU endorses bank deposit guarantees
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7 October 2008




EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The 27 EU leaders have vowed to "take all measures necessary" to ensure the stability of the ailing financial system.

According to a statement issued by EU French presidency on Monday evening (6 October), EU governments will not hesitate - if needed - to inject liquidity from central banks, to adopt measures targeted at certain banks or to enhance deposit guarantees.

"No depositor in the banks of our countries has suffered losses and we will continue to take the necessary measures to protect the system and depositors," reads the political declaration on behalf of all European leaders.

In addition, they once again pledged "close co-ordination and co-operation" as they deal with the domestic effects of the ongoing crisis.

However, thus far, the words of solidarity have yet to be translated into deeds.

The Irish government was the first to take concrete steps towards blanket guarantees last week. Since then, Greece, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and the UK have all acted unilaterally in also promising full or significantly higher deposit guarantees.

EU solution

"My preference would be by far an EU solution," EU competition commission Neelie Kroes told the European Parliament on Monday (6 October).

"That would be the best way to co-ordinate national actions and maximize their effectiveness, and at the same time, secure that negative spill-overs into other financial institutions and member states are limited."

According to Ms Kroes, it is "the very large scope" of the Irish guarantee and its discriminatory potential that have raised concerns - the scheme covers not only existing deposits and credit, but also all future credit to all six Irish banks.

"I'm confident with some fine tuning, the Irish guarantee scheme could be put in line with EU law," the commissioner concluded.

In general, the EU's fair competition watchdog took a softer stance towards other full bank deposit guarantees.

"The current financial crisis poses a systemic threat to EU banking sector ... and in this systematic context, general guarantees, protecting retail deposits and bank debts held by retail clients can be a legitimate component of the public policy response," she said.

Future clarity

The commission announced it would provide EU governments with "clarity and legal certainty" on the matter over the next few days.

According to Zsolt Darvas from the Brussels-based centrist think-tank Bruegel, the full guarantee should be only temporary solution.

"There is a fear that households will go to banks, take out their money and the bank will face not only liquidity, but also solvency problems," Mr Darvas said, adding that guaranteeing deposits could be a good solution because it could comfort bank clients.

"But in a long run, the authorities should develop regulations that would prevent such situations as we are facing now from happening again," the analyst concluded.

The issue - including amounts of guarantee and an impact on other EU states - will be debated on Tuesday (7 October) by all 27 EU finance ministers, EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner Joaquin Almunia said.
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Brussels may now have say in bailout
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8 October 2008




THE details of the Government's bank guarantee scheme are unlikely to come before the Dail until next week after the Taoiseach dampened expectations yesterday.

Despite a promise that the safety net legislation would be introduced this week, Mr Cowen told TDs in the Dail yesterday that it was still being worked on by the Central Bank, Financial Regulator and Department of Finance.

And he acknowledged that the Government was still in discussion with the European Commission on the matter -- leading to speculation that Ireland may even submit the plan for pre-approval by Brussels.

This follows some European criticism of Ireland's unilateral action last week, including some dark suggestions that it may break EU rules on State aids.

Yesterday there was evidence of Ireland heeding EU warnings as Finance Minister Brian Lenihan moved to cap inflows to guaranteed banks from other countries.

The Taoiseach said the deal was at an advanced stage, but he could not say exactly when the terms and conditions would be published. Labour leader Eamon Gilmore complained that it appeared the scheme was beginning to drift.

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And Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny pointed out: "This is not a Central Bank scheme, this is not a Financial regulator scheme, it is a Government scheme -- underwritten to the extent of €200-250,000 per worker. It's very important that we know what we are signing up to here."

The Taoiseach reiterated that foreign parent banks may submit their Irish subsidiaries for consideration for inclusion in the scheme, but the Government would have to be satisfied that they met the criteria involved.

"It is not intended to allow predatory activity based on unfair competitive advantage," said Mr Cowen, in an apparent reference to last week's email from Michael Fingleton Jr of Irish Nationwide that was interpreted as touting for deposit business in Britain.

Meanwhile, Mr Gilmore said bad Exchequer figures, increasing live register numbers and a gloomy forecast from the ESRI -- coupled with the Aer Lingus jobs-cut announcement -- had all piled up since the Dail last met.

The Taoiseach had been unable to cite any new initiative since before the summer to deal with the increasingly serious problem of unemployment and job losses, he said.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 10:21:22 AM »

They are going after every secure market available to usher in a new world financial order that is totally based on manipulation without one penny in capital backing it up.

They will be able to cause complete bubbles and busts within seconds.

TOTAL Bilderberg/CFR control
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 04:33:37 PM »

240% of GDP as a bailout, yeah good one, as if they can in any way shape or form afford to make the guarantee

they could bankrupt the country FOR EVER, but instead they will simply default if it comes to it beyond the first 50billion or so, which makes the guarantee a bit pointless.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 06:19:12 PM »

The Republic of Ireland has set itself up for a fall IF, the world financial system fails completely, which is possible.
However,  the pigs in control may be drowning in a trough overflowing with swill & bad unrecoverable debt.
Nationalism is their number one enemy & it looks as though their first scalp is Iceland!
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 08:41:36 PM »

The Iceland Banks have completely dried up, deposits are frozen, and credit is automatically denied to all customers now... Iceland looks like the first to go, and will be a model of what will happen to the rest of the world in the coming weeks.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aarH9BaUZJZY&refer=uk
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