Religulous by Bill Maher = Zeitgeist on quaaludes

[Dig]

Very true Sane, as has been said earlier in the thread, Maher is a big supporter of Israel, yet claims all religons are "stupid."

Funny, isn't all of Israel Jewish?

Sorry Maher, but unlike most of your HBO viewers, I can put 2 and 2 together to equal bullshit.

The thing is he says that extremists can easily use religion to stop any cooperation among the world.  Then he shows religious jews meeting with Achmadinajad and makes them look like they are insane.  His entire premise is so fricking absurd.  The anti-religious organizations of zionism, wahabbi elitism, and freemasonry contribute more to dividing masses of people than religious faith.  Once he praised zionist genocide and demonized religious people of faith for trying to reach common ground, he seemed to totally screw up his whole movie and any credibility.

[maim]

any links to this movie plz?

[InfoTruth]

Very true Sane, as has been said earlier in the thread, Maher is a big supporter of Israel, yet claims all religons are "stupid."

Funny, isn't all of Israel Jewish?

Sorry Maher, but unlike most of your HBO viewers, I can put 2 and 2 together to equal bullshit.

Thats true, the state of Israel is based on religious beliefs. He doesn't attack Israel because his Jewish side of him tells him they need a place to call home. Bill Maher needs to stay consistent in his attack on religion.

[Dig]

Thats true, the state of Israel is based on religious beliefs. He doesn't attack Israel because his Jewish side of him tells him they need a place to call home. Bill Maher needs to stay consistent in his attack on religion.

Actually this is a bit off.  Israel is a national socialist state founded by zionist nazis who also want to rid the world of religion.  The hypocricy is that he states that religion causes all problems and then defends Israel who causes acts of naked aggression.  He then demonizes a group of religious jews who meet with achmadinijad (sic) at a seminar questioning the official story of the holocaust.  In other words, he is upset with religion because of their strict interpretation of events, but when an inquiry into one event comes up and religious people attend it, he complains because they have a differing opinion about the event (the holocaust).  Total fricking hypocrite/

[zeke105]

If there is enough people that want to see this movie to understand the discussion a bit more, I can create a private group and upload a copy to Veracity Videos.

[Dig]

If there is enough people that want to see this movie to understand the discussion a bit more, I can create a private group and upload a copy to Veracity Videos.

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[creat3d]

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You tell 'em Sane! 

Re: topic... I thought the movie was great. I can't stand Maher much after some comments he made vs 9/11 truth, but I found Religulous to be spot on.

[Dig]

You tell 'em Sane! 

Re: topic... I thought the movie was great. I can't stand Maher much after some comments he made vs 9/11 truth, but I found Religulous to be spot on.

What did you think of Zeitgeist Addendum? (sorry to pigeonhole you, but I am a jerk sometimes as you well know )

[hal 9000]

I know this has been discussed a thousand times, and many dismiss it, but what is up with Maher all the time flashing the devil hand sign? And what is up with the picture on his shirt? A crowned serpent? ----

[creat3d]

What did you think of Zeitgeist Addendum? (sorry to pigeonhole you, but I am a jerk sometimes as you well know )

It's been a while since I saw it, but I agreed with a lot of it. I'm not convinced on the feasability of a cashless society/the whole Venus thing, indeed a lot of it seems to be the same crap we're fighting against... the promised utopia versus dystopian reality... but a lot of the philosophy it presents I agree with. It's a must-see, just has to be taken with a grain of salt or two...

My opinion on Peter Joseph has changed quite a bit from when I saw the first Zeitgeist (which I had 0 problems with)...
Whether he is a tool knowingly or not I don't know, both movies are good mind-openers. Just need to be taken with a grain of salt as I said...

[zeke105]

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Yeah, that would be absolutely wrong. I created a user named test (12345) to test the quality of the upload, but I made the video private. Only test can see the video.

[squarepusher]

It's been a while since I saw it, but I agreed with a lot of it. I'm not convinced on the feasability of a cashless society/the whole Venus thing, indeed a lot of it seems to be the same crap we're fighting against... the promised utopia versus dystopian reality... but a lot of the philosophy it presents I agree with. It's a must-see, just has to be taken with a grain of salt or two...

My opinion on Peter Joseph has changed quite a bit from when I saw the first Zeitgeist (which I had 0 problems with)...
Whether he is a tool knowingly or not I don't know, both movies are good mind-openers. Just need to be taken with a grain of salt as I said...

You should see Adam Curtis' 'Pandora's Box' - specifically the first one.

A scientific society has been done before - it's called the Soviet Union, and they were quite scientific about it. For Peter Joseph to claim that the Bolshevists did not have any real understanding about science is asinine - it was the entire basis of the state!

Watch the documentary first before you comment on how it's not the same as Peter Joseph was describing - it's exactly the same if you watch it and listen to the words, especially the part about 'rational beings' and 're-education'. The Soviets were very scientific about that too.

[maim]

You should see Adam Curtis' 'Pandora's Box' - specifically the first one.

A scientific society has been done before - it's called the Soviet Union, and they were quite scientific about it. For Peter Joseph to claim that the Bolshevists did not have any real understanding about science is asinine - it was the entire basis of the state!

Watch the documentary first before you comment on how it's not the same as Peter Joseph was describing - it's exactly the same if you watch it and listen to the words, especially the part about 'rational beings' and 're-education'. The Soviets were very scientific about that too.

the difference is... the soviets were based on capitalism..  someone was in charge, gettin rich off the whole thing, hence the premise becomes corrupted.  greed corrupts it.
the venus project, ideally, has no greed.  its basicaly a Logans Run society minus the carousel/sandman aspect.  no government, just technology taking care of everyones needs.  with no money, no rules are needed since most 'crimes' are money/greed based.

[Dig]

the difference is... the soviets were based on capitalism..  someone was in charge, gettin rich off the whole thing, hence the premise becomes corrupted.  greed corrupts it.
the venus project, ideally, has no greed.  its basicaly a Logans Run society minus the carousel/sandman aspect.  no government, just technology taking care of everyones needs.  with no money, no rules are needed since most 'crimes' are money/greed based.

Whether it is capitalism, communism, environmentalism, technocracism, or whatever ism... when you have few controlling the lives of many, you will have corruption. Power corrupts, not money.  Money is simply a method of communicating exchange.  Greed existed before money.

[squarepusher]

the difference is... the soviets were based on capitalism..  someone was in charge, gettin rich off the whole thing, hence the premise becomes corrupted.  greed corrupts it.
the venus project, ideally, has no greed.  its basicaly a Logans Run society minus the carousel/sandman aspect.  no government, just technology taking care of everyones needs.  with no money, no rules are needed since most 'crimes' are money/greed based.

That's about the only difference then - the Soviet Union was a planned economy - the people still needed money but everything was fixed and controlled by the state. But it was really nothing more than a trading stamp or food stamp, really - the Soviet economy was not contingent on money. If it were, it would not have had the time or the money for the Five Year Plans.

No, the Soviet Union very much resembled the very thing that the Venus Project seems to champion - everything was scientific, everyone would be rational, noone would be violent, people would need to be 're-educated' to fit into this society, and best of all, technology and science would 'liberate' the people. A big utopia to lure the 'dreamers' in, as Bertrand Russell put it.

Except in Zeitgeist Addendum, we never get to see how this would work without a 'government', or without 'money'. How do you propose that would work exactly? What would stop everyone from just staying at home? Would that be encouraged? When they need to have food, they can just go into the grocery or bakery and get as much as they want and leave? And then sit in front of their TV again and do nothing? Would these grocery stores or bakeries have people operating them, or would they be served by machines/robots?

It's all just too out there for me to even consider it seriously. It's like some wild dream from Aldous Huxley before he overdosed on LSD.

[Dig]

That's about the only difference then - the Soviet Union was a planned economy - the people still needed money but everything was fixed and controlled by the state. But it was really nothing more than a trading stamp or food stamp, really - the Soviet economy was not contingent on money. If it were, it would not have had the time or the money for the Five Year Plans.

No, the Soviet Union very much resembled the very thing that the Venus Project seems to champion - everything was scientific, everyone would be rational, noone would be violent, people would need to be 're-educated' to fit into this society, and best of all, technology and science would 'liberate' the people. A big utopia to lure the 'dreamers' in, as Bertrand Russell put it.

Except in Zeitgeist Addendum, we never get to see how this would work without a 'government', or without 'money'. How do you propose that would work exactly? What would stop everyone from just staying at home? Would that be encouraged? When they need to have food, they can just go into the grocery or bakery and get as much as they want and leave? And then sit in front of their TV again and do nothing? Would these grocery stores or bakeries have people operating them, or would they be served by machines/robots?

It's all just too out there for me to even consider it seriously. It's like some wild dream from Aldous Huxley before he overdosed on LSD.

Time for Re-Education...



Not forcibly, just controlled and agreed upon by those elites that are superior to average barbarians.  Superior elites like Rockefeller, Rothschild, or Beatrix

[L2Design]

Maher needed to be breast fed.

He's so angry...

[squarepusher]

Maher needed to be breast fed.

He's so angry...

Oh yeah, that was another thing he disapproved of in one of his 'New Rules' segments.

Mothers should just let the brains of their kids not develop according to Maher - mammalian species don't need mothers' milk .

[Phil R.]

I liked the film for it's stance on asking questions and not believing everything that you're told, but it was a bit hard for me to follow at times. 

[Dig]

I liked the film for it's stance on asking questions and not believing everything that you're told, but it was a bit hard for me to follow at times. 

Did you like the line:

"Religion must die for humanity to live"?

[cueball7]

Religion in and of itself is not the problem. All major religions of the world have been used as a means to  control people by those who run them. Research shows that if you study the true teachings of Jesus, Mohammed, Budda, Krishna, etc., their messages are IDENTICAL. And I would not consider the modern day bible, koran, torah etc. to be valid references for this point.

I would say " modern day religious belief systems must die for humanity to live."  Time and again history has proven that religious belief systems have done nothing to unite mankind, and have only driven wedges between us. Sad but true.     

[Phil R.]

Did you like the line:

"Religion must die for humanity to live"?

That kind of thinking is too extreme. Any attempt to destroy religion would see massive resistance from devoted followers, cause civil breakdown, war, and the deaths of millions.  I'd expect a radical terrorist group to say something like that, not Bill Maher.

I'm not picking sides, just trying to understand the information with an open mind even if I disagree with certain parts.

[Dig]

That kind of thinking is too extreme. Any attempt to destroy religion would see massive resistance from devoted followers, cause civil breakdown, war, and the deaths of millions.  I'd expect a radical terrorist group to say something like that, not Bill Maher.

I'm not picking sides, just trying to understand the information with an open mind even if I disagree with certain parts.

He said it at the beginning and the end of the movie.  Then he showed the plane exploding into WTC as if "religion" caused it.  Like you said, actions similar to a radical terrorist.

[InfoTruth]

That kind of thinking is too extreme. Any attempt to destroy religion would see massive resistance from devoted followers, cause civil breakdown, war, and the deaths of millions.  I'd expect a radical terrorist group to say something like that, not Bill Maher.

I'm not picking sides, just trying to understand the information with an open mind even if I disagree with certain parts.

Some here havent seen the film. Once they see Bill Mahers name or any other film that questions their faith they start to change the conversation to communism or the venus project. Wtf?

[Redline]

Used to like Bill maher when I was younger....now I kind of see through him. It's not just the 911 thing either (although that has alot to do with it...he's been a real shit on that)...it's his overall schtick....very formulated and typical. Yeah...he's clever and often funny (well his writers are) but I resent the smug arrogance and the snarky fence straddling....f**k this guy....complete Hollywood tool

[Dig]

Some here havent seen the film. Once they see Bill Mahers name or any other film that questions their faith they start to change the conversation to communism or the venus project. Wtf?

Really? That is surprising.  Why would people do that, sounds odd.  I saw the movie and then evaluated the items in it.  After thorough evaluation I can safetly say that Bill Maher is very much supportive of an elitist state where a majority of the public have very little rights and freedoms.  This includes (but is not limited to) the freedom of religion. I believe that he is supportive of a New World Order where a one world belief structure (or religion) is mandated by a central power.  He also is very pro-scientific technocracy in the movie.  Pretty much Zeitgeist Light.  But please see the movie to come up with your own evaluations.

[L2Design]

Used to like Bill maher when I was younger....now I kind of see through him. It's not just the 911 thing either (although that has alot to do with it...he's been a real shit on that)...it's his overall schtick....very formulated and typical. Yeah...he's clever and often funny (well his writers are) but I resent the smug arrogance and the snarky fence straddling....f**k this guy....complete Hollywood tool

Yahhh... something will come to him (karma)... to learn humility

[L2Design]

I know this has been discussed a thousand times, and many dismiss it, but what is up with Maher all the time flashing the devil hand sign? And what is up with the picture on his shirt? A crowned serpent? ----

he looks like he has a small peepee hehehehe

[squarepusher]

Religion in and of itself is not the problem. All major religions of the world have been used as a means to  control people by those who run them. Research shows that if you study the true teachings of Jesus, Mohammed, Budda, Krishna, etc., their messages are IDENTICAL. And I would not consider the modern day bible, koran, torah etc. to be valid references for this point.

I would say " modern day religious belief systems must die for humanity to live."  Time and again history has proven that religious belief systems have done nothing to unite mankind, and have only driven wedges between us. Sad but true.     

Science IS a religious belief system - on Wikipedia, go to Pythagoras, established today as one of the first scientists in so-called documented history, and find out he subscribed to a religious train of thought - a mix of the occult and philosophical, a belief in prime numbers, the ability of music to enhance the brain and so on.

Pythagoras of Samos (Greek: Ὁ Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος, O Pūthagoras o Samios, "Pythagoras the Samian", or simply Ὁ Πυθαγόρας; born between 580 and 572 BC, died between 500 and 490 BC) was an Ionian Greek mathematician and founder of the religious movement called Pythagoreanism.

Scientists are the new high priests, and they are just as full of bull as those high priests were back in the medieval day.

The only thing that will happen in the elite's master plan is that Christianity and Islam will be destroyed and 'science' (whatever the hell that is) will take its place. And I would like to remind anyone who thinks this is a supposed liberating force: remember that the Soviets based everything on scientific principles as well.

[Dig]

Science IS a religious belief system - on Wikipedia, go to Pythagoras, established today as one of the first scientists in so-called documented history, and find out he subscribed to a religious train of thought - a mix of the occult and philosophical, a belief in prime numbers, the ability of music to enhance the brain and so on.

Scientists are the new high priests, and they are just as full of bull as those high priests were back in the medieval day.

The only thing that will happen in the elite's master plan is that Christianity and Islam will be destroyed and 'science' (whatever the hell that is) will take its place. And I would like to remind anyone who thinks this is a supposed liberating force: remember that the Soviets based everything on scientific principles as well.

yup, yup, yup

[squarepusher]

Some here havent seen the film. Once they see Bill Mahers name or any other film that questions their faith they start to change the conversation to communism or the venus project. Wtf?

First of all dude, if that was directed at me:

that questions their faith

I don't have a faith, dude - I am not a religious person. But I'm not on the other end of the extreme - the atheist collectivist yuppie type that wants to get rid of all religious belief systems and claims they are the root of all evil.

they start to change the conversation to communism or the venus project. Wtf?

Secondly, I brought up communism because Bill Maher was wrong on that too - he doesn't recognize that science in itself is a religious system. As do 99.9% of all the other pathetic yuppie atheists out there.

I may not be a Christian or a Muslim, but I know enough about the atheists to conclude for the most part they are just as dumbed-down and stupid as the religious people out there - if not even more so. Instead of believing in Allah or God they believe in Gaia or science - instead of grovelling to God or Allah they grovel to the government. It's collectivist/scientific thinking, and an irrational hatred of religion ('religion has killed more than anything else in the world' - oh, that's news to me. I'm sure you haven't taken into account the eugenics movement and the Bolshevik revolution, the death toll of both which far dwarfs any kill ratio religion has ever been responsible for. And both eugenics and communism was wrapped in the almighty cloak of 'science')

If Religulous is anything like Bill Maher: The Decider I already know what it is I am supposed to be seeing. I watched Bill Maher's shows from 2007 to late 2007 and I know enough about the person to know he is very opinionated, biased, smug, arrogant, partisan and conditioned - not to mention a shill on certain topics.

[Wood0173]

Billy Maher is just another Hollywood, greedy, attention-freak.  He goes on his show and has others who fit that bill such as Ben Afleck and Ashton Kutcher that openly act like hypocrites, preaching their views that coincide with the Libertarian agenda but then stand up and talk about how much Bush sucks and Obama is a hero.  These types are either on Democratic Party pay roll or really, really stupid.  I am hoping that they are on the payroll for the democratic party, but nonetheless, find the clip of him talking to Dr. Paul and then disagree with me.

[zeke105]

I think you got that about right Wood. Sadly, his viewers and Jon Stewart's are probably the most intelligent unawakened people. Those two shows used to be a couple of the few shows I still watched albeit slightly annoyed at times (e.g. Maher denying 9/11).

[RickT]

Like him, hate him or whatever,  the fact still remains... multiple apocalyptic religions, each believing they are "the chosen", is dangerous in a time when we have enough weaponry to destroy the world multiple times over.
 
I get the general sense that most things foretold, or prophesied and accepted by most, will eventually happen.  If even just 20-30% of the world's population believes in an end-times event, then such an event will likely take place.  But in my opinion, there will be no savior who comes and sets everything right.
 
I tend to like observable things and using "the scientific method", I hope to be shown someday just how matter came to be (let alone life on Earth) and if that takes a God, god or gods, I hope he/she/they can explain their existence.  Scientists who are really interested in learning and understanding, rather than pushing propaganda *global warming*~cough~, will change their opinions and ideas based on new information and discovery... "people of faith" do not.  Just like the global warming zealots who make their own "facts" to fit their predetermined belief, "religious" people do the same.
 
Winged out scientists (depending on their area of interest) who have no faith but also no scruples, are just as dangerous but the end-times believers need brilliant, yet nutty, scientists to create the weaponry.
 
I'm not sure how anything came to be and I'm not sure of where we (humans) go after death, other than into the ecosystem, but if there were a creator, I'd hope he'd make his presence known and not judge us on events in the past which we had no control over.

[Wood0173]

I think you got that about right Wood. Sadly, his viewers and Jon Stewart's are probably the most intelligent unawakened people. Those two shows used to be a couple of the few shows I still watched albeit slightly annoyed at times (e.g. Maher denying 9/11).

They have done a great job of getting educated people to fall of this crap...and yeah, they absolutely love Maher and Jonathon Stewart.  My parents are both extremely educated...which doesn't mean all that much but for what it's worth, whenever I go over there and we sit there and watch Jeopardy--competing with each other (don't tell me that you don't do this too..lol), they both probably know 80% of all answers.  But they are Obamabots and can't come up with logical reasons on why except for the fact that Bush is evil!  These types are a dime a dozen and some of them even have PHDs and many of them are teaching our youth how to think for themselves by thinking just like them.  Maher is a prime example of a good media tool.  You think that you are an intellect because you watch an HBO series about politics instead of one about a mafia family but it just shows you that politics is like wrestling...the good guys are the Democrats and the bad guys are the republicans with no other parties getting involved.  Just recently, a Brazilian who moved up here came clean to me that she thinks that Americans are absolutely retarded for trusting these people.  Apparently that seems to be a relatively common global view of the US.  She was surprised at the crap that came out of my mouth...lol!

[squarepusher]

They have done a great job of getting educated people to fall of this crap...and yeah, they absolutely love Maher and Jonathon Stewart.  My parents are both extremely educated...which doesn't mean all that much but for what it's worth, whenever I go over there and we sit there and watch Jeopardy--competing with each other (don't tell me that you don't do this too..lol), they both probably know 80% of all answers.  But they are Obamabots and can't come up with logical reasons on why except for the fact that Bush is evil!  These types are a dime a dozen and some of them even have PHDs and many of them are teaching our youth how to think for themselves by thinking just like them.  Maher is a prime example of a good media tool.  You think that you are an intellect because you watch an HBO series about politics instead of one about a mafia family but it just shows you that politics is like wrestling...the good guys are the Democrats and the bad guys are the republicans with no other parties getting involved.  Just recently, a Brazilian who moved up here came clean to me that she thinks that Americans are absolutely retarded for trusting these people.  Apparently that seems to be a relatively common global view of the US.  She was surprised at the crap that came out of my mouth...lol!

It's not just in the US that people grovel to their government. Over here in Europe, people are just as domesticated - they are perpetual children. Any sense of adulthood or critical thinking has been drilled out of them.

I think most of it is to blame on TV and the fashion industry - you also see the average conversation dropping in overall intelligence and rhetoric every 10 years.  Rhetoric has almost become an esoteric science to most - slogans, banners, labels and soundbites is the most they're able to come up with. Another example: the lyrics in '80s songs were ten times more complex than the ones you have now, which is basically "my bitch this, my bitch that", Gwen Stefani-like Hollaback Girl-type thrash.

[Wood0173]

It's not just in the US that people grovel to their government. Over here in Europe, people are just as domesticated - they are perpetual children. Any sense of adulthood or critical thinking has been drilled out of them.

I think most of it is to blame on TV and the fashion industry - you also see the average conversation dropping in overall intelligence and rhetoric every 10 years.  Rhetoric has almost become an esoteric science to most - slogans, banners, labels and soundbites is the most they're able to come up with. Another example: the lyrics in '80s songs were ten times more complex than the ones you have now, which is basically "my bitch this, my bitch that", Gwen Stefani-like Hollaback Girl-type thrash.

Makes me think of the moral values that people don't appear to hold these days.  It seems that the masses agrees that they want drugs to be legal completely, which I don't agree with as I don't think that there should be laws saying "you are allowed to use drugs."  I believe that they should be decriminalized.  The masses agrees that it is okay to sleep around, which is fine by me personally as I am not one to judge.  And yeah, they also don't care what religion you have if you ask them.  So, we have sheople that don't care what others do yet they are actually hypocrites as they are going to do nothing but criticize others...even those who are doing the same thing that they do...they just haven't been exposed or do it on such a small scale. 

ANd TV?  Goddam!  That ultimately controls everything--what we wear, what we listen to, what POLITICAL VIEWS we are to have, which religions are cool and which ones are just plain insane.  What boggles my mind is how much they all care about these celebrities.  Anyone who goes to a grocery store and just looks around while waiting in line probably knows more about Britanny Spears than they do themselves.

[RickT]

Did the title of this thread get changed?  I don't think quaaludes or zeitgeist were in the title earlier today and it doesn't appear to be something the OP would have put there considering his opinion of religion.

[Dig]

Did the title of this thread get changed?  I don't think quaaludes or zeitgeist were in the title earlier today and it doesn't appear to be something the OP would have put there considering his opinion of religion.

thanks for the info, I will change the title.

[RickT]

thanks for the info, I will change the title.

How/why do the titles of posts get changed long after the OP loses the ability to modify their post?  I have noticed posts I've  written which have found their way into threads with titles I likely wouldn't have even opened.