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« on: September 21, 2008, 08:34:32 AM »

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Frank, who has been in phone discussions with Paulson, said the secretary appeared receptive to adding some foreclosure-relief language. The second Democratic proposal — to impose compensation limits on Wall Street executives — is meeting more resistance.

“Hank says it’s a poison pill,” Frank said. “I say I don’t  think it’s very patriotic for someone to not give up his golden parachute when we’re trying to save the markets.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13676.html


U N F V C K I N G  R E A L ! ! !

This should be looped and played non-stop before this bullsh#t is paid for by the Fed.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 08:39:33 AM »

It is unpatriotic to stop CEO's from robbing bankrupt companies of billions which then has to be paid by the taxpayers?

I am in the twilight zone!
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 08:45:25 AM »

The Bush administration's Wall Street bailout bill

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."


http://www.atlargely.com/2008/09/fascist-coup-ne.html
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 08:51:58 AM »

I am in the twilight zone!

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 08:52:46 AM »

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Now add FOREIGN BANKS ...  U.S. TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR THE WORLD BANK BAILOUT!


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In a change from the original proposal sent to Capitol Hill, foreign-based banks with big U.S. operations could qualify for the Treasury Department’s mortgage bailout, according to the fine print of an administration statement Saturday night.

The theory, according to a participant in the negotiations, is that if the goal is to solve a liquidity crisis, it makes no sense to exclude banks that do a lot of lending in the United States.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson confirmed the change on ABC's "This Week," telling George Stephanopoulos, calling the coverage of foreign-based banks "a distinction without a difference to the American people."

"If a financial institution has business operations in the United States, hires people in the United States, if they are clogged with illiquid assets, they have the same impact on the American people as any other institution," Paulson said.

"That's a distinction without a difference to the American people. The key here is protecting the system. ... We have a global financial system and we are talking very aggressively with other countries around the world and encouraging them to do similar things, and I believe a number of them will. But, remember, this is about protecting the American people and protecting the taxpayers. and the American people don't care who owns the financial institution. If the financial institution in this country has problems, it'll have the same impact whether it's the U.S. or foreign."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13690.html

Now the entire world bank systems losses are being socialized, yet profits remain privatized.  

 Undecided I should have majored in Finance, and sold out my country to get that federally insured golden parachute.  I could then open up a foreign bank and still get the same deal, without the domestic regulations, and taxes.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 08:57:50 AM »

We will see how the markets are doing tomorrow. Are the short sells ban and massive bailouts really going to prevent the crash?
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 09:54:54 AM »

The language of Bush's speach is mind boggling.  All semi-elected officials are basically making the federal reserve the de-facto dictator of this country. In less than a week.  Live on TV.

These guys in congress are either on the payroll or have no balls whatsoever.

They just basically allow for a $100 Trillion exposure to the taxpayers without a debate, a hearing, a vote...NOTHING!

Is it not painfully obvious now that the unelected Federal Reserve is more powerful than all politicians?
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 10:48:16 AM »

And yet again.. this "Crisis" just happens to come to a head over the weekend. It will likely be solved in the same manner.

This economic weekend warrior bullsh#t is clearly staged, manipulated, and controlled.  Personally I can't believe that Ron Paul isn't yelling at the top of his lungs about this weekends events.

Sure, Dr. Paul is on almost every talkshow...but where is the outrage?  This is exactly what he has warned us about for over a decade.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 10:57:10 AM »

we the people need to say NO to paulson about foreign banks offloading their toxic crap onto our dollar like this. Im so pissed off right now. They kick us out of our houses, take our cars and cut off our credit cards. Then tell us we're gonna pay the bankers debts, foreign and domestic? F**K YOU PAULSON, YOU NWO DOG. If this dosn't wake the sheeple up and get them riled up, then it's over. This is the train horn blaring 100 yards from where your standing, telling you to get the f**k outta the way. Will we jump? or will we stand there and get hit?
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 11:00:49 AM »

Unelected Bernanke And Paulson Sieze Power In COUP
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The Democratic Republic of America is dead. It was taken over last night in a private coup by the former Wall Street money man, Paulson and the lunatic economics professor, Herr Bernanke. Between themselves, they have seized the reins of power and are now the unelected rulers of the USA. The Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that we don't get to vote for President. Now this! Both Congress and the barely-elected President who should be impeached and arrested for both war crimes and refusing to protect America on 9/11, both of these entities are TRAITORS. They should either arrest the financial conspirators or resign from office. Next: a military coup.


Federal Reserve Chairman, Martin, speaking in 1954:
There is one other fundamental thing that again is right at the heart of it [inflation]. Monetary policy in my judgment should never be used to restore the purchasing power of the dollar. Once it is gone, it is gone. Production and productivity are the only ways we will restore the purchasing power of the dollar.



We will read more of this ancient speech from the old times when we still had a democracy of sorts. We just won WWII and were entering the Cold War when Mc C. Martin made this long speech explaining what the Federal Reserve was and how it was supposed to operate. NOT ONE THING HE TALKED ABOUT IS WORKING TODAY. Instead, the US systematically stripped itself of all the original systems set up to fund and control the Federal Reserve!


Now, after totally blasting away all the support systems, the restrictions and the balances of the original banking system, we now have a TOTAL collapse of the ENTIRE US banking system. And what is being done to fix this mess?


The very authors who enabled and pushed for all the worst aspects of the system are now running amok, fixing the system by systematically taking over all the financial systems of the US itself. I got an alarming email from Kevin, a reader, which said that the legislation being handed over the the flaccid fish in Congress has this shocking proviso: Sec. 8. Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.


WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?Huh Back in 2000, I was very heavily involved in the garbage that came spewing out of that failed election. I went to DC and visited most of the Senators and ordered all of them to carefully support the counting of ALL the votes no matter how long that took. Instead, the Supreme Court ruled at 12am, midnight, on 12/12/2000, a magic number day and hour, they ruled that votes were NOT to be counted because so many goofy voting systems were used.


I had my 'Uniform voting act' bill written and ready. A reporter called me from the corner phone that night to tell me excitedly that I could now sue to have uniform voting standards. But then he read the last line of the Supreme Court ruling: this ruling was UNIQUE and could NOT be used in court as precedent! I blew up and began swearing. 'THIS IS A COUP!' I yelled.


But then Gore surrendered to the coup.


Now we are in the second stage of this coup. Bush is wildly unpopular to such a degree, he had to stay away from the GOP convention. No one is following this fool. The entire economic system is collapsing and he has walked away from it a la Coolidge. Congress is equally unpopular. They, too, are abdicating control to outside forces. Just as Congress refused to curtail a very UNCONSTITUTIONAL Supreme Court ruling, we now have Congress abdicating powers of the purse to a PRIVATE banker, Bernake, and a PRIVATE Wall Streeter, Paulson. Neither man was elected by anyone in America.


In a just world, we could go to DC and simply arrest Congress and the President for vacating their offices in the time of an emergency! But then, Bush wasn't impeached for his queer behavior on 9/11. Nor his queer behavior during Katrina. Or his outright lies about Saddam Hussein.


NYT: A Professor and a Banker Bury Old Dogma on Markets
A longtime student of the Great Depression, Mr. Bernanke was acutely aware of what could happen without a decisive move. Finally, the moment that called for action arrived late Wednesday. Less than 24 hours after the Fed bailed out American International Group, the giant insurer, it was clear the turmoil gripping Wall Street was only growing worse and that ad hoc solutions were not working.


Talking into a speaker phone from his ornate office, Mr. Bernanke told Mr. Paulson that it was time to adopt a comprehensive strategy that Congress would have to approve. Mr. Paulson understood. Reluctant in recent days to send Congress a plan that lawmakers had warned had little chance of quick passage, he had worried that a rejection would only further shock the markets. But during two conference calls Wednesday night and Thursday morning, he agreed that they had no choice.


They had no choice! RIGHT! They could have called ME! I would have given both of these coup criminals an earful! They are worried about markets falling?


WELL, TOUGH TITTIES! The collapse of our entire DEMOCRACY? Isn't that important? Isn't that....damn. Time to cuss like an old mule driver. Tarnation! What the HELL were these clowns thinking? Congress isn't moving fast enough? So did these TRAITORS go to the public to push for more?


HAHAHA. No! They knew the Derivatives Beast was now visible and would eat them and their stupid, nasty, awful gnome buddies! To save these unsavory idiots who created and fed the Beast, these two committed the gravest crime against our nation: TREASON. Their unconstitutional coup is utterly illegal and wrong.


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Just like that, Mr. Bernanke, the reserved former Ivy League professor, and Mr. Paulson, the hard-charging former Wall Street deal maker, launched what would be the government’s largest economic rescue operation in modern times, one that rivals the Iraq war in cost and at the same time may redefine Washington’s role in the marketplace for years.
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The improvisational nature of their effort has turned President Bush and Congressional Democrats into virtual bystanders, sometimes uncertain about what comes next and left to wonder about the new power dynamics in the capital. Seemingly every time lawmakers tried to get a handle on what was happening and what role they might play with elections around the corner, Mr. Paulson and Mr. Bernanke would show up again on Capitol Hill for another evening meeting with another surprise development.



ARREST EVERYONE!!!!! Good grief. Just reading this makes me shake with fury. I call upon the Goddesses of the Cave of Wealth and Death to unleash their powers on these presumptuous pompous men. I am not 'wondering about the new power dynamics,' I am FURIOUS about this.


Time to look in the past at an earlier Fed chair who was not a total traitor and coup master:


THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
21 January 1953

Mr. Wm. McC. Martin, Jr., Chairman, Board of
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We all know that the Federal Reserve System is here to regulate the money supply. Its purpose, simply stated, is to facilitiate [facilitate] -- not establish, for you can't do that, but to facilitate high level employment, stable values, and a rising standard of living: in other words, the objectives of a going and developing society.


In approaching all of these problems we have to realize that economics is not an exact science. It is, in part, sociology and psychology: it has to do with the reactions of a multitude of individuals-- with human factors. I think you've got to. keep that in mind if you are thinking of problems of high level employment and the satisfaction of the needs of the community, and if you are going to get any real value.

Now what about money? The simple definition of money that we get in textbooks is that it is a medium of exchange and a standard of value, and it has a basic component of confidence. Let's not forget that human factor: its basic component is always confidence. For we can talk about the gold at Fort Knox and how it should be counted and so on, but all of us know that what matters more than whether the gold is really there is whether people have confidence in the makeup of the currency which rests upon it. At least it matters more when we are dealing with the fundamentals rather than with accounting procedures and technicalities.


Gold was the basis of monetary power. And it was kept by the central bank in Fort Knox and it was the patrimony of all Americans. The Fed REGULATES MONEY SUPPLY. It also is supposed to take care of society. NOT RULE US.


Now, why do we have a Federal Reserve System today? Unless you think of it as an evolution, you are missing a major point. No modern country can have stability and progress without some basis of sound currency. That is why all modern countries have central banks. The United States central bank is the Federal Reserve System. Why is it in the form that it is ?
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Now, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is Clearly a government operation, a government institution. The individual Reserve Banks are semi-government; part government, part private, and the democratic device of having the directorship determined in part by the banks that own the stock in the Reserve Banks has on the whole worked out reasonably well in the roughly 40 years of the Federal Reserve System's existence.


Why did we have the Federal Reserve System as such? We had it because, remembering 1897, and more particularly the money panic of 1907, the country was fed up with recurring money panics. Whenever money was most needed, it disappeared; whenever it was least needed, it was abundant. The same was true for bank reserves throughout the country. Whenever bank reserves were unnecessary, they were plentiful; whenever they were necessary for the business community in general, they tended to disappear, because they were scattered and there was no way of mobilizing them.

So the two basic defects in our money situation in 1906 and 1907, crystallizing in that panic of 1907, were, as we call it in technical terms, the inelasticity of the currency and the scattered reserves for the banks as a whole. Since the Federal Reserve System came into being, we have virtually eliminated the problem of elasticity of the currency. In fact, today it works so well that you never hear of any currency shortage, except in the case of the nickels, dimes, or quarters which have not been turned out by the mint fast enough; where the flow of the currency from one section of the country to another has been delayed by the mail; where currency has accumulated more rapidly; or in a period of mobilization where there is an increase in the currency in circulation and the manufacture of the money is delayed by not having sufficient manpower at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.



First of all, many people trying to buy gold and silver today are shocked and very understandably angry that delivery is slow and waiting long. Computer funny money has also been missing. Banks won't even give each other FAKE money, much less, real gold or silver! There is something very, very screwy going on here. The Fed, far from stopping panics or bubbles, has been the main author of them. Ever since the gold standard was abandoned in order to pay for the Vietnam War and the oil crisis, we have had the goofiest monetarist system ever concocted: the Floating Currency Regime. This fake business has finally fallen off the cliff entirely. Instead of examining this and realizing it won't work, it can't work and it MUST NOT WORK, we see two private citizens taking over our entire government INCLUDING THE COURTS to force things to keep going in this goofy Floating Currency system.


Section 8 of the bill the Real Rulers are pushing through forbids courts from reviewing the legality of these rules!!!! Amazing! And neither can any agency heads or any entity within the government, elected or unelected. NO ONE can challenge the CONSTITUTIONALITY of this new law Congress is being rushed into passing.


The odious and evil 'Patriot Act' was passed the same way and only slowly is being picked apart. Without much help from the criminals sitting in the Supreme Court, the ones who nixed vote counting. GRRRRR....... Back to 1954:


It was something more than correcting the inability of banks to get reserves when they were needed, because with the
correction went power for the Federal Reserve System actually to create money.


Within the limit of the statutory requirements that liabilities of the individual Reserve Banks on notes and deposits can never exceed four times their holdings of gold certificates, the Federal Reserve System can create reserves for the member banks at any time it wishes. And in that ability to create or extinguish reserves lies the essence of what is our modern regulation of the money supply.


I have some worthless gold US dollar certificates from 1892-1933. I keep this to remind myself about what promises are worth: NOTHING. When Roosevelt didn't consult with anyone except the Treasury Sec and the Fed head when he confiscated private gold and did the draconian setting of the value of gold via fiat, the courts didn't stop him. Every step of the last 100 years has been a loss of sovereignty by Congress. Congress has few functions left. It can do one big thing: misspend money to their heart's content. That is it. Right on the eve of the entire collapse of our banking system and the coup, Congress voted to misspend nearly a hundred billion dollars on the insane wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, wars we are losing badly.


Money is not a cure all. It is one means—at the start I used the word "facilitate" rather than "establish"--of facilitating high level employment, stable values, a rising standard of living. But monetary policy by itself can't do any of those things. You can't make people borrow money if they don't see an opportunity to profit from it. You can't run a deficit in the federal budget of X billion dollars over a period of time and expect monetary policy to make it feasible. You can't ignore your tax and expenditure structure and just "ordain" the components of money, including that component of confidence that I spoke about; it won't work. In my opinion a sensible money policy must be directed consciously toward permitting the forces of the market — by which I mean in a general sense here this morning the forces of supply and demand — to operate.


You need the market's objective measures of the forces of supply and demand because you have to have some guide that on the whole is better than the subjective judgment of the Federal Reserve Board or of the United States Treasury, or of any one here this morning. The guide used, it seems to me, must be practicable. I believe that test is met by the composite judgments of the market place in relation to the law of supply and demand in whatever framework a given society is placed. In our society, we still believe in private property, free enterprise, and the profit motive. Those are basic tenets that are part of this loose and sometimes mouthy force we call the American way of life, and of the American economic system. They are inherent precepts concerning the process which has made us the productive country we are and which has given our workers a productivity, based on that philosophy, unmatched elsewhere. If you want to overturn that philosophy and build a new system, you would have to change a great many things — and up to this point we have not done it.



Reading this old speech fills me with fury. Not only has the Fed and the government allowed bankers to run not 4X lending based on gold certificates, they are allowed to run 30X holdings of paper products! And of those, many were lousy. So banks were lending based on absolutely nothing except hot air. And they pumped out trillions of dollars in the biggest hot-air balloon in history! Congress did ignore tax revenues and did vote for constant deficit spending and this spending has gotten utterly out of control. And it obviously isn't working. Because Congress refused to adhere to its own 'debt ceiling' laws it passed in the past, we have the yearly and now, monthly farce of Congress raising and raising and raising this ceiling to the heavens. Now, there is no debate at all. In the past, Congress was scared to do this.


Now, they shrug while doing it automatically. And the President views this money as more fun stuff to spread around to corrupt buddies in the military/industrial complex and Wall Street! Both Congress and the President hope to blame Paulson and Bernanke for the obvious downsides of this coup that was pulled today.


THIS IS TREASON. They can't use these men as scapegoats for the failures of Congress and the cheap criminal dictator in the White House. Bush once boasted that he was the 'Decider who decides.' Now, he is the Deceiver who deceives. Or aka, The Devil. Which he worshipped at the Skull and Bones crypt at Yale. Gads. Arrest him.


Martin answered questions and it is heartbreaking, reading these answers tonight!
QUESTION: I have a rather administrative type of question to ask, sir. You stated, I believe, that the central bank could extend credit some four times beyond its gold certificate holdings, or something to that effect. What is backing up that credit that is extended there? Is it the Treasury of the United States? Or what is backing that up?


MR. MARTIN: It is the gold reserve.

COMMENT: Yes, sir; but there is over four times as much credit out as they have gold. In case something extreme should happen, who would back that up beyond the gold?

MR. MARTIN: Well, that four to one ratio happens to be the present legal requirement. If something extreme should happen, you would probably change the reserve. It is an elastic operation. It is probably the most difficult thing for any of us to understand what the scope of human psychology on it is. You start by saying:

"We did have 40 per cent; now we have 25 per cent in gold." At one point we had a lot of commercial paper in the country. It could be gold, Government securities, or commercial paper. In the framework in which we are operating today, those are the limits. If those limits are exceeded, we would have to take steps to contract. Now, whether the likelihood of what you are talking about would be mismanagement by the Reserve authorities, if it became too rapid for them, they would have to go to Congress, and Congress would have to legislate a different reserve. It is nothing but a relationship. I am afraid I didn't satisfy you.


Amazing. Just stunning. How far we have fallen. We must nurse our fury. We have to do something here. I am willing to try to go to DC to lobby against this obvious coup. Anyone interested? My phone number is 518-658-9023. Call between 9am and 8pm Eastern Daylight Time. We have to do something besides read each other.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM »



It was just in July that Paulson was spouting about how he predicted that the economy would strengthen.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080703120512.75gtwijc&show_article=1

"US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said here on Thursday that the US economy would most likely be stronger at the end of 2008, even as oil prices surged to new records above 146 dollars. "I think there is a very strong possibility that we will be growing at the end of the year. We will have stronger growth at the end of the year than we have right now," he said during a press conference after talks with his British counterpart Alistair Darling".

So, even someone who doesn't believe that this guy is a total CRIMINAL... We should at least be able to admit that this guy doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.  Yet, here we are just giving him all this power to do whatever the heck he wants?!?!  This sucks. 

I wouldn't allow this guy to manage my 4 year old's piggy bank.... Never mind the entire US economic system. 


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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 12:37:49 PM »

Man, that makes me FUME, the way they've scandalously handled the US Financial System.  As for a march to Congress, has the idea been entertained to involve a large group of gathered individuals already present.  I mean, in Canada, our Veteran's Day is Nov. 11th.  I'm not sure when that is celebrated in the US, but if it's around the same time, collaborate with a group already planning a march (verterans) in a show of solidarity.  Something to the effect of, "We have common interests in preserving the integrity of the Union, just as you've fought for, would we be able add our group for common purpose?"  To that effect anyway.  Just an idea for discussion. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 02:42:18 PM »

Lehman Brother board runs the bank into the ground...

$2.5 Billion in profits via the Federal Corporate Welfare Program.  Ruin your bank, the system within it operates, and still get the dollahs!


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STAFF at Lehman’s New York office who helped to cause the world’s biggest corporate bankruptcy are to share in a $2.5 billion bonanza.

The bonus, which has been described by London staff as a “scandal” has been pledged by Barclays Capital, the British-based bank that last week acquired Lehman’s American operation and took on 10,000 staff.

The $2.5 billion (£1.4 billion) pot, which has been ring-fenced as part of the acquisition, has caused huge resentment among the 5,000 staff in the firm’s European and Middle Eastern operations who are not guaranteed to be paid after this month. There are, however, hopes that half the jobs in Lehman’s Canary Wharf office could be saved today by either Barclays or Nomura. Bids are being submitted for its UK equities and investment-banking business.

A Chapter 11 bankruptcy document filed by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc says that Barclays has identified eight individuals out of the New York staff of 10,000 who are vital to make the deal succeed and a further 200 who are identified as “key”. It is thought that these eight directors will be locked into two-year contracts worth between $10m and $25m a year.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4795072.ece
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 02:45:54 PM »

The language of Bush's speach is mind boggling.  All semi-elected officials are basically making the federal reserve the de-facto dictator of this country. In less than a week.  Live on TV.

These guys in congress are either on the payroll or have no balls whatsoever.

They just basically allow for a $100 Trillion exposure to the taxpayers without a debate, a hearing, a vote...NOTHING!

Is it not painfully obvious now that the unelected Federal Reserve is more powerful than all politicians?
the Fed has been waiting for this for years they want a NAU and Amero asap and will do anything to make this happen and anyone who is disagreeing will be labled unpatriotic. Angry
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008, 05:11:58 PM »

Paulson keeps lying and saying it's all caused by housing loans, and Chris Dodd, democrat and head of the banking committee, repeated that lie on NBC.

They don't want anyone to know the truth.



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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2008, 05:34:27 PM »




  We are no longer Americans.   We are now slaves of the Federal Reserve.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2008, 06:09:00 PM »


It was just in July that Paulson was spouting about how he predicted that the economy would strengthen.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080703120512.75gtwijc&show_article=1

"US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said here on Thursday that the US economy would most likely be stronger at the end of 2008, even as oil prices surged to new records above 146 dollars. "I think there is a very strong possibility that we will be growing at the end of the year. We will have stronger growth at the end of the year than we have right now," he said during a press conference after talks with his British counterpart Alistair Darling".

So, even someone who doesn't believe that this guy is a total CRIMINAL... We should at least be able to admit that this guy doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.  Yet, here we are just giving him all this power to do whatever the heck he wants?!?!  This sucks. 

I wouldn't allow this guy to manage my 4 year old's piggy bank.... Never mind the entire US economic system. 




It's his job to say the ship is not sinking.


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Support Ron Paul's H.R. 2755: The Abolition of the Federal Reserve System!

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Another good video about the lies:

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2008, 03:25:45 PM »

Reporter Warns Staged Financial Crisis Part Of Fascist Coup

Huffington Post writer threatened by neo-con bloggers after urging readers to remember Prescott Bush’s Fascist “Business Plot”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/reporter-warns-staged-financial-crisis-part-of-fascist-coup.html

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A reporter for the left leaning alternative news website The Huffington Post has been attacked by neo-con bloggers and phony right-wing patriots after pointing out that the current financial crisis is part of an intentional coup to transfer unprecedented power to the Executive Branch and place public funds in the hands of the global corporate elite.

Writer Larisa Alexandrovna, makes a number of salient points in an article entitled “Welcome to the final stages of the coup…“.

Referring to the Bush administration’s “Wall Street bailout bill“, Alexandrovna warns that a fascist coup is in it’s closing stages, describing the proposed legislation as “treachery being conducted in the light of day.”

She writes:

    “Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.

    [...] we already now have in writing, formally as presented to Congress, the intentions of this administration to nullify Congressional powers permanently, to alter Judicial powers permanently, and to openly steal public funds using as blackmail the total collapse of the US economy if these powers are not handed over. You do see how this is blackmail, do you not? You do see how this is a manufactured crisis precisely designed to be used as blackmail, do you not?”

Alexandrovna points out that the Treasury’s bailout proposal to Congress would provide the Treasury Secretary the power to buy up any assets he sees fit, hire anyone he wants to do it, appoint private companies as financial deputies and write whatever regulations he thinks are needed.

Furthermore, she points out that the bill states:

    Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Alexandrovna is echoing the comments of historian John Steele Gordon who told reporters “It sounds like Paulson is asking to be a financial dictator, for a limited period of time.” She is also repeating a stark warning provided by Frank Razzano, a former assistant chief trial attorney at the Securities and Exchange Commission now at Pepper Hamilton LLP in Washington, who stated that the Bush administration is seeking “dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts, to try to resolve the crisis.”

As we have also reported, the $700 billion bailout legislation would provide billions to foreign central banks in addition to private foreign banks.


The proposed move represents a total shift of U.S. taxpayers’ funds into the hands of powerful private interests, some of which do not even represent American companies
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Alexandrovna compares the current manufactured crisis to the now infamous “Business Plot” of 1933, a previous attempt at an outright coup in order to install fascism in America. This treasonous plot was so called because the high-level plotters, including Prescott Bush, the current president’s grandfather, were Wall Street men who openly supported fascism.


The coup attempt came to light one year later in 1934, when General Smedley Butler informed the Congress that a group of wealthy industrialists had attempted to get on side high ranking military figures in order to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

“It seems this time around, the Bush family is trying the more subtle approach to open bloodshed: first create a crisis, then under the guise of addressing that crisis, overthrow democracy. Yes, it does sound terribly conspiracy-theory-esque when explained just this way. But what else does one call a criminal conspiracy to destroy Congressional powers permanently, alter Judicial powers permanently, and steal public funds?” Alexandrovna writes.

In a passionate conclusion the writer demands that Impeachment be brought against those members of the government involved in the “New Business Plot”. She then voices fears that failing this, people will have to take to the streets to prevent the usurpation of their freedoms and the total dissolution of America:

    “You are no longer Republicans, Democrats, or any shade of voter. You do not live in a swing state or a solid colored state. You are simply this: an American. That is the only side that matters. So call your members of Congress and demand, no, declare that unless they do their duty to the Constitution and to us, we will move to the streets - not because we want to, but because our founding fathers demanded this duty of each and every citizen in the face of such a domestic enemy. Demand - as is your right - that this bill be voted against and demand - as is your right - that the people plotting this treachery be held to account. We are either a nation of laws or we are no longer a democracy. Pick a side, because there won’t be another time, another moment, another chance to be a patriot.”

Despite pointing out concrete facts, urging readers to see through the false left/right paradigm and come together to do something about such an unprecedented power grab, a number of phony patriots and neo-con bloggers have poured scorn on Alexandrovna, accusing the writer of calling for an armed insurrection, expressing hope that the government is “monitoring such enticements” and threatening to report her to the “lawful authorities” in order that she be locked in a “nice, well-lit and cheery cell”.

In a remarkable example of the Orwellian society that has continued to grow around us like a cancer, none of Alexandrovna’s detractors care to focus on the fascist treachery she describes but instead accuse her of being the traitor and the one that should be locked away.

Today finance ministers from the G7 countries roundly applauded the bailout proposal as Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary called for other countries to follow America’s example.

“I’m going to be pressing our colleagues around the world to design similar programmes for their banks and institutions. Our system is a global one.” Paulson stated.

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Under Proposed Bailout, Feds Could Speculate, Nationalize Any Company or Industry, Or Do Anything Else They Want Using Taxpayer Money

http://www.prisonplanet.com/under-proposed-bailout-feds-could-speculate-nationalize-any-company-or-industry-or-do-anything-else-they-want-using-taxpayer-money.html

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The Fact Sheet from the U.S. Treasury states:

  The purchases are intended to be residential and commercial mortgage-related assets, which may include mortgage-backed securities and whole loans. The Secretary will have the discretion, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, to purchase other assets, as deemed necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets.

So Paulson, in consultation with Bernanke, could “deem it necessary” to “stabilize” the financial markets by buying boat loads of gold. Or by cornering the market in uranium or platinum.

Or they could decide that they needed to buy Microsoft and Google.

Just like Bush and Cheney have gotten us into oil wars and wars to protect Israel under the guise of being necessary to protect our national defense, Paulson and Bernanke could do anything they want by pretending it is for the stability of the financial markets, especially since no one could challenge their actions in court.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2008, 04:19:26 PM »

From Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty

Grassroots Action: “Crisis on Wall Street” Handout
As Tom noted earlier, C4L is taking several steps this week to help you combat the economic power grab being attempted by the Treasury and the Fed.  Be sure to listen to Scott Horton’s Antiwar radio show from noon - 1 ET all this week as he interviews economic experts who will break down this crisis and give practical solutions.  And stay tuned to our website for the latest updates on what you can do.

The C4L staff has developed a simple one page handout that can be distributed door-to-door or easily handed out to anyone you come across.  This handout sums up the current situation, gives a four-step solution to getting our country out of this mess, and includes contact information for people to reach their representatives and senators.  It’s designed to get as much information in the hands of as many people as possible as fast as possible.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=581

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 05:06:32 PM »

As Congress rushes to back bailouts, a senator cries foul

Depending on who you ask, Sen. Jim Bunning was either preternaturally prescient in his predictions of financial turmoil if government agencies kept bailing out privately owned businesses, or he's a prophet of fiscal doom who's slightly off the mark.

"Senator Bunning has been critical of the Federal Reserve system since God was a little boy. If he says it often enough ... eventually he'll look as if he's right," said Kenneth Troske, an economics professor at the University of Kentucky. "Having said that, his concerns currently about the actions that have been taken by the Fed and the administration are legitimate."

On Friday, the Bush administration and members of Congress vowed to work together to craft a historic bailout that lawmakers, along with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, said could total as much as $1 trillion. The Fed and the Treasury outlined proposals designed to shore up the economy by relieving lenders of bad mortgages, temporarily insuring money market funds and increasing cash flow to banks.

Bunning sees the actions as a move toward socialism.

"Instead of celebrating the Fourth of July next year, Americans will be celebrating Bastille Day," Bunning said. "The free market for all intents and purposes is dead in America.

"The action proposed today by the Treasury Department will take away the free market and institute socialism in America," Bunning said. "The American taxpayer has been misled throughout this economic crisis. The government on all fronts has failed the American people miserably."

It was the second time in less than a week that the junior senator from Kentucky blasted Federal Reserve and Treasury Department leadership. On Wednesday, Bunning criticized the Fed for an $85 billion bailout of insurance and finance giant American International Group; he introduced legislation that would strip the agency of its power to use taxpayer money in future bailouts.

"I have said on more than one occasion that I don't think the Federal Reserve can handle the powers they have, and this irresponsible bailout just proves my point," Bunning said earlier this week. "The only difference between what the Fed did and what Hugo Chavez is doing in Venezuela is Chavez doesn't put taxpayer dollars at risk when he takes over companies -- he just takes them."

Whether by luck or by design, Bunning's timing in forecasting the nation's economic downturn is uncanny. As Wall Street struggled to recover from an economic meltdown, cable network news stations such as Fox and CNBC and media outlets like the Wall Street Journal asked Bunning to opine on where things went so wrong.

He was happy to oblige.

Bunning, who sits on the Senate Finance Committee, has fumed over the past year at the nation's mortgage implosion and ensuing financial crisis, the rescue of Bear Stearns by the Federal Reserve and the government seizure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Bunning strongly prefers a free market approach and is adamantly opposed to what he sees as a trend toward federal handouts for big businesses.

A constant critic of Federal Reserve and Treasury leadership, Bunning raised the red flag on former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan's handling of the 1990s recession and felt the agency was slow to adjust to rate increases. Bernanke and Paulson's management of the current crisis is a frequent topic during Bunning's weekly telephone press conferences with reporters.

This time, however, Bunning is by no means alone in his criticism of the agencies.

In recent weeks, many lawmakers have begun to echo a question Bunning has often raised: Does the Federal Reserve have too much power?

"The actions of the administration have represented a fundamental change in the role the government is playing in the economy, and that change has occurred in a rather arbitrary fashion in order to find some way to stop the fall of the stock market and by scrambling to do something to prop up the country's financial security," Troske said.

"We've seen the largest nationalization of companies in the history of this country. ... If I were a member of Congress I would be upset, too," Troske said. "They are changing the role with very little discussion with other members of government."

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell disagrees.

"A bailout is a pejorative term," he said. "A better way of looking at the actions that have been taken is that they are to protect the financial systems of the United States of America and all of the people who have 401ks and mutual funds.

"This is about the country's financial system as well as overseas because so much is interlocked now," he said. "And people can feel comfortable that we're going to act on a bipartisan basis and fix the problem."

For his part, Bunning says he's committed to holding the Fed and Treasury accountable — even if those efforts earn him the title of malcontent.

"My great-grandchildren will be saddled with the estimated $1 trillion debt left in the wake of this proposal," Bunning said. "We have gotten to this point because nobody has been minding the store. Both Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke should be held accountable for their inaction. And now because of that inaction, the American taxpayer is left with the bill."

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2008, 05:40:41 PM »

The final act.

This eliminates the Republic of the USA , our constitution, simply put, this is not America any more. This is the elites playground, and we are their toys.

The conglomerates and their elite buddys are now in control. This Mafia is global, those who resist, be it foriegn nations or citizenry will be outcasts and traitors.
Those nations who know what the US has become will be propaganidized to appear our enemies, leave it to Murdoch, his MSN and talking heads, he will finalize the brain set of the SM's.

Bushmasters words ring true, either your for us or against us.

Who controls the money is control. Don't ask the congress for assistance you will be deluding yourself, they have been sold out for many years.
The military has been sitting on a razor blade, not our sons and daughters, little guys,expendables the actual troopers. The big dogs, the moraly bankrupt shiits, power grubbing rats.

They will promise the American people a miracle,they will see success in the furture and possible give it a time frame, the fog will lift they will say, the rhetoric will spew forth, in truth  we will be in fem camps or rebelling in the street.

Martial law is iminenet. What other method of control is available to these turds, besides killing us, and do not leave that option of your mental chart.

Their seat of power was a arranged senerio, a prepared takeover, step by step, phase by phase, it has now been exposed to those of us in this nation who are aware of their goal, the SMs will be wiggling their flags as they march to their fema camps, or put on their uniforms, those who crave power over others will be lining up and sucking arse.
Folks, the shitstorm has begun. Not four or five months from now. Consider the USA a 3rd. world country
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2008, 06:36:36 PM »

One thing I have learned from reading about the many instances where the C.I.A. have intentionally overthrown everything from Dictators to Democratic Governments... is that a small amount of dedicated people can plan, prepare, and execute small events that trigger VERY LARGE ones.

This trick isn't limited to oppressors, the oppressed can do the same.

Remember, remember the 5th of November.
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Ever since the gold standard was abandoned in order to pay for the Vietnam War and the oil crisis, we have had the goofiest monetarist system ever concocted: the Floating Currency Regime. This fake business has finally fallen off the cliff entirely. Instead of examining this and realizing it won't work, it can't work and it MUST NOT WORK, we see two private citizens taking over our entire government INCLUDING THE COURTS to force things to keep going in this goofy Floating Currency system.

Fiat money is as bad an idea as Fiat cars.

"Fiat money derives it's value from people will pay for it. In short, what they think it's worth."

I've been hearing that by it's defenders, as the "miracle" of fiat money, and the reason gold is outdated.

Well, they were SO right, and welcome to the dark side of their own definition.
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2008, 08:11:48 AM »

New forum now open:

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2008, 01:35:56 PM »

Karl Denninger gives an excellent analysis of the bill and offers honest solutions:

The Mother of All Frauds -- analysis of the bailout fraud and an honest solution

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=60086.new;topicseen#new

including section 8:

Sec. 8.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

If you are a bank, investor, or other entity who is forcibly gang-raped by Secretary Paulson due to his actions as "King" (crowned by Congress) under this law, you are unable to seek redress in the courts or by administrative action.

The claim is that this is intended to "promote confidence and stability" in the financial markets.

It will do no such thing.

It will instead strike terror into the hearts of investors worldwide who hold any sort of paper, whether it be preferred stock, common stock or debt, in any financial entity that happens to be domiciled in the United States, never mind the potential impact on Treasury yields and the United States sovereign credit rating.

I predict that if this passes it will precipitate the mother and father of all financial panics, although exactly when the "short bus" riders who inhabit the equity market will figure it out remains to be seen. 

If they have an IQ larger than their shoe size it will commence at 9:30:01 AM Monday morning, although given history and the lack of intelligence displayed by the crooning media market euphoria may continue until the first couple of firms are dismantled by Paulson's newly-crowned Kingly powers with the scraps handed out to his favored few.

The best part of this outrageous fraud is that those who get bent over the table can't even sue - their only recourse will be the (literal) deployment of pitchforks and torches.

That Paulson and Bernanke circulated this document, irrespective of what actually gets reported out onto the floor of the House and Senate (if anything) tells you everything you need to know about his intentions and the safety of your financial assets in the United States markets.

That this "proposal" hasn't resulted in Congress calling for both Bernanke and Paulson to resign for their blatant attempt to crown Paulson King tells you everything you need to know about Congressional integrity as well.

My advice: Don't be caught with any stock or debt instruments linked to a United States financial firm in your portfolio past 9:30 AM Monday morning.

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Btw, the analyst, Karl Denninger, would make a good guest this week--he knows his stuff.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2008, 04:44:46 PM »

The Treasury Morphs Into A Hedgefund
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The Mother of All Bailouts plan gives the Treasury not only authority to buy and sell Mortgage Backed Securities, but allows it to deal in any financial instruments including leveraged derivatives.


This evolved over the various versions.

The original Paulson proposal said:

Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Authority to Purchase.-- The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.
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Sec. 12. Definitions.

(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.--The term "mortgage-related assets" means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

All media reports and blogs I have read about this assume that the Treasury under this plan would only buy Mortgage Backed Securities, i.e. bonds backed my mortgage payments.

But the above language also includes Credit Default Swaps. Insurance contracts or derivatives, that guarantee the recoverability of MBS and change their value in relation to an MBS' value.

The language in the Treasury Fact Sheed on the proposal is even wider:

Treasury will have authority to issue up to $700 billion of Treasury securities to finance the purchase of troubled assets. The purchases are intended to be residential and commercial mortgage-related assets, which may include mortgage-backed securities and whole loans. The Secretary will have the discretion, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, to purchase other assets, as deemed necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets.

It seems like the fact sheed exceeds the breadth of the released proposal.

Oh, you say, the Democrats in Congress will prevent the Treasury from morphing into a investment bank backed by $700 billion of taxpayer capital?

Here is Senator Dodd's expanded proposal of the Paulson plan. The language is even worse than in the original:

SEC. 2. AUTHORITY TO PURCHASE TROUBLED ASSETS.

(a) OFFICES; AUTHORITY.—

(1) AUTHORITY.—The Secretary is authorized to establish a program to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase troubled assets from any financial institution, on such terms and conditions as are determined by the Secretary, and in accordance with policies and procedures developed by the Secretary.
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SEC. 21. DEFINITIONS.

(7) TROUBLED ASSETS.—The term ''troubled assets’’ means—

(A) residential or commercial mortgages, and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case were originated or issued on or before March 14, 2008; and

(B) upon the determination of the Secretary, in consultation with the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, any other financial instrument, as the Secretary determines necessary to promote financial market stability.

The Dodd version gets lauded by Krugman, DeLong and other 'liberal' luminaries.

This while the bailout language morphed from "mortgage related assets" to "any financial instrument."

The Dodd version added some nice little extras for a homeowners in distress and some oversight provision. But it also extended the scope of the Paulson plan far beyond housing and mortgages towards an all encompassing bailout for any financial issue.

Since 2003 Dodd collected over $4 million in contributions from Securities and Investment companies. His top five doners include Citibank, SAC Capital Partners and Royal Bank of Scotland. That may well be the reason why he does not want to keep the bill restricted to mortgage related assets but wants to include any financial instrument.

If this becomes law, Paulson and whoever replaces him in January will have the authority to buy Asset Backed Securities from car loans and credit card loans. He will be able to buy and sell derivatives based on ABS that have build in leverage effects. The Treasury may even deal in synthetic Collateral Debt Obligations and derivatives base on those. It can buy and sell shares of public dealt companies, precious metals, future contracts on these and it can speculate on interest moves of Russian government bonds.

Are there any big long future positions on the Canadian dollar the U.S. president does not like? Just get the Treasury buy them up. Congress is giving it the right to do so.

With a capital of $700 billion and the authority to buy and sell any highly leveraged financial instruments, the Treasury will become one gigantic hedge fund that can and may well act to move multi-trillions.

If such an entity makes one wrong move, it can bankrupt its owners within a few hours. The Treasury is too knowledgeable to make such mistakes? So were two Nobel Price winners at LTCM.

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2008, 05:40:11 AM »

Entertaining video about it--the bailout is a terrorist attack and Paulson is the hijacker:


American Dollar = Toilet Paper, Financial Armageddon Crisis


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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2008, 05:18:11 PM »

Our true enemies and what RP has been fighting against for over 30 years.

Yes they have the power to fix the primaries.


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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2008, 05:42:10 PM »

This is not a bailout. The money means nothing. If it passes, the dollar will be deflated to zero and we get martial law. If it does not pass the dollar will be deflated to zero => martial law => pass the bill anyway. The prime directive is to hand over complete control of the nations economy to the government immune to any oversight.

It is in effect an Economic Fascist Coup under the disguise of economic rescue using scare tactics and the planned economic collapse to install it. Either way, a fascist coup is inevitable and in progress. This is how it happens, one step at a time. They are trying to setup an economic czar, one man in control of hundreds of trillions if not quadrillions to do with as he sees fit.
The only economic rescue is to return our jobs and stop printing fake money, eliminate NAFTA and turn back the immigration invasion and incarcerate all traitors and corrupt employees and representatives.. There is no mention of this what so ever as cure for the economic problem.
They are bringing up CEO salaries as a distraction, and pretending to debate this, but I fear it may not matter no matter what they do or do not do.
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2008, 05:55:07 AM »

We borrowed Trillions in 2003 for a war .... record level inflation followed a year afterward.

We will borrow Trillions again in 2009 for more war, plus a bailout....  What do you think will follow in 2010?


Double digit Inflation will put a choke-hold on the ever growing lower class. It will accelerate the decline of the middle-class, and blowback this will cause is why the elite need to deploy the Army domestically.
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2008, 05:59:02 AM »

I think their is a plan to destroy the USA, for the NWO.. and it's been going on since 2000.. and bush co is behind it...it's working huh!!...Im officially calling for bush's arrest as a traitor to the constitution, and the american people..
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2008, 06:10:40 AM »

Notice how Bush and company aren't talking about where the US is suppose to get that 700+ billion? The Federal Reserve is basically taking financial control of America. I think what we are seeing is the "coup de gras". They say they are trying to keep the credit market liquid by infusing all that cash, but its nothing more than pure new debt, with no increase in income, except for a very select few in the industry. It does absolutely nothing positive for the public. This garbage that they will also help people with bad mortgages, which is nothing but an effort to get people to pay more money to the Fed who now owns all those mortgages.

So if the people don't pay up, what's the Fed going to do, repo the country?
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2008, 06:21:06 AM »


So if the people don't pay up, what's the Fed going to do, repo the country?

YES!!!!!!!!!

They have already sold the best plots of land to the UN...

Roads to Cintas...

Posts to Dubai...

Bush/Clinton have been selling off this country piece by piece for over 20 years!
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2008, 06:36:03 AM »

anyone know what really happened to all the gold?...did poppy bush and clinton steal it?..
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2008, 11:02:15 AM »

YES!!!!!!!!!

They have already sold the best plots of land to the UN...

Roads to Cintas...

Posts to Dubai...

Bush/Clinton have been selling off this country piece by piece for over 20 years!

Guess I should have had an exclamation point rather than a question mark. I too believe they have begun calling in the notes.
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"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
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