Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing

[EchelonMonitor]

The BBC is reporting that there was to be a dinner there attended by a large number of the government heads, but the location was changed at the last minute.

There is also a report that Pakistani forces fired on 2 American helicopters flying in Pakistani airspace.

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Pakistan leaders' 'narrow escape'
Pakistan's top leaders were to have been in the Islamabad Marriott hotel when it was bombed - but changed venue at the last minute, officials say.

Interior Ministry head Rehman Malik said the president, prime minister and military chiefs should have been there.

He told journalists "it would have been a great catastrophe", but did not say why dinner plans were changed.

A suicide bomb devastated the hotel on Saturday killing at least 53 people and wounding more than 266.


'Entire leadership'

"The national assembly Speaker had arranged a dinner for the entire leadership - for the president, prime minister and armed services chiefs - at the Marriott that day," Mr Malik told reporters.

"The president and the prime minister changed the venue to the prime minister's house. The function was not held at the Marriott, thus the whole leadership was saved."

The bomb left a six metre (20ft) crater. It is believed to have been detonated in a lorry.


Rescuers have been combing the wreckage for survivors and bodies.

Most of the dead were Pakistanis. One Vietnamese, a German and an American are also known to have died.

No one had admitted carrying out the attack, but the Pakistani Taleban are thought to be the most likely suspects.

Earlier on Monday, Pakistan's government said it would take targeted action against the militants, promising raids in some "hotspots" near the Afghan border.

Driver killed

Meanwhile Afghanistan's consul in Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, has been kidnapped.

The consul, Abdul Khaliq Farahi, was in a car in a Peshawar suburb when it was attacked by six unidentified men, officials say. His driver died in the attack.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7628964.stm

Published: 2008/09/22 09:50:20 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

[EchelonMonitor]

Notice how at first  mainstream media says "Looks like something Al-Qaeda would do" then "It has the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda," then "It was an Al-Qaeda style bombing."

Now it's "Al-Qaeda did it."

Exactly.

[EvadingGrid]

The CIA budget for Pakistan is larger than Pakistan's GDP.
Effectively a CIA / Mujha / Govt / Tribal / Warlord / etc.. are already in a 'Civil' War.
The country has nuclear weapons.

Its not exactly difficult to forsee an American President explaining that they have to occupy Pakistan to ensure world peace.

[Nailer]

Many city persons said that they suspected that the US was behind the attacks.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=137265

Monday, September 22, 2008
The News special report

Karachi- Pakistan

“America is behind the attack since it wants to invade Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan and it wants to generate reasons to invade,” said Shahid Khan Azeemi, a school teacher at Karachi Public School Korangi Campus.

Rabia Kausar, 24, a resident of Delhi Colony commented that the American government is possibly behind the attack so that it can reinforce its point that we need their support.

There were more theories on this. “It might be the reaction of government’s decision to handover an air base located in Peshawar to the US-led coalition forces or it might be the result of US attacks on Bajaur and other localities of Northern Pakistan,” Cyris, 28, resident of Sachal Goth, Gulistan-e-Jauhar said. Dr Naeem Ahmed, Assistant Professor of International Relations at Karachi University said the blast could be reaction of US’s action in Wana and the terrorists wanted to give message that they can strike anywhere. “The government is not in position to control terrorism,” he commented.

There are those who argued that the government should talk to the Taliban. Akash Ram, in his 30s, said “It is the result of military operation in Waziristan, Swat and other areas. The government should immediately stop this operation.”

When asked which group could be responsible, Iftikhar Ahmed, 32, a taxi driver and a resident of Liaquatabad said “There are so many terrorist groups operating that it is difficult to point a finger at any one. Every group has a different agenda. The government should dig deep and find out who is trying to destabilize Pakistan. It’s about time they held a thorough investigation. Mere statements that they are ‘investigating’ will not help.”

There are those who insisted in US complicity. “While locals were used in the incident but, actually it was US who trained them and also provides explosives to them,” Nasim, 33, resident of Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Block-1 said. Housewife Sidra Hassan, a resident of Guistan-e-Johar agreed with this: “It is a conspiracy of the American Government undoubtedly.

Moreover, who knows the government itself would be involved. Such a blast in a high security zone is a big deal. The government might have done this to move the attention from incidents in the North. It is a difficult question! What would one expect from Asif Ali Zardari.”

Syed Haider Naqvi, Commercial Pilot, has said that US was behind the incident due to the reason that Pakistani president in his recent speech addressed that Pakistan would not allow any foreign activities in the country. This view was also shared by senior banker Taazzum Ali, a resident of Clifton who stated “This might be an attempt to make President Zardari’s visit to USA a success by getting a soft corner against terrorism.”



English Language teacher Nida Sarfaraz, resident of SMCHS was of the view that the “ISI or CIA-led Taliban have done this."

Many insisted that it was India taking revenge on Pakistan. Abdul Ali, 75, a Raj Mistri and a resident of Zamanabad said, “Enemies of Pakistan especially the US and India are backing these terrorists.”

Very strange picture.. cars melted destroyed but the tires and rims( aluminum rims? ) look like the are brand new .

[Dig]

There must be hundreds of pictures and many videos of the attack.

Please post them in this thread.

There is no f-ing way that was simply a car bomb.

Also, you just need to watch the move Syriana to see the technology we use to take out a similar area.  I recall that the crater in the movie Syriana looks similar.

Here is the old thread (feel free to repost information about the obvious reasons why this was not a car bomb): http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=59878.0

[Triadtropz]

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There is no f-ing way that was simply a car bomb.

I gotta agree it looks like it was bombed?...I dunno.if alqaeda or the taliban did it.. I say they would have taken credit right away..it was probably a CIA, ISI plot to kill the new govt..but they caught wind of it...

[Hawkwind]

for some reason this reminds me of bali.

[bigron]

Taliban denies role in hotel attack 
 
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/09/200892292555709354.html
 
 
A senior commander of the Taliban in Pakistan has denied that his group was responsible for a bomb attack at Islamabad's Marriott hotel, in which at least 53 people died and 270 were injured.

Baitullah Mehsud said on Monday that the Taliban had no role in Saturday's attack, Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, reported.

"Mehsud said that their group does not believe in killing so many locals in the attack," Hyder said.

"RDX was used in the attack, which is a very volatile substance. The big question is: Where did such a large amount of RDX come from? In previous attacks, militants have not used this substance."

In addition to the dozens killed, at least 270 people were injured in the attack on the hotel, a favoured place for foreigners and the wealthy elite.

British Airways announced on Monday that it was temporarily suspending flights to and from Pakistan, citing security concerns after the hotel bombing.

The airline, which offers six flights to Pakistan each week, did not face a direct security threat, but took the step out of caution, Suhail Rehman, a BA spokesman, said.

Foreign diplomatic missions and non-governmental organisations operating in Pakistan have also reviewed their security status.

Question over bomb

One of the lines of inquiry taken by Pakistani investigators is that the bomb attack was carried by an al-Qaeda cell operating in Islamabad.

They said that the attackers constructed the 600kg truck bomb at a safe house in the capital because vehicles entering the city are subject to routine searches.

"Our focus at the moment is to track down the network in Islamabad which must have facilitated the movement and construction of the bomb," a senior official said.

Video footage of the attack showed the truck failing to break down a security barrier at the entrance to the Marriott hotel.

Security guards at the five-star hotel tried to put the resulting fire with extinguishers before the full bomb detonated, devastating the complex.

Two Americans, the Czech ambassador to Pakistan and a Vietnamese woman were among those killed in Saturday's attack.

A Danish intelligence agent is still missing after the blast.

"Carrying 600 kilos of explosives over long distances and through checkpoints is not possible, so our immediate suspicion is that the bomb was loaded in Islamabad," the official said.

It is possible that the explosives used in the bomb could have been sneaked into Islamabad in small quantities from the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, he said.

Military operation

A senior Pakistani security official said on Monday that the explosives used in the bombing were like those used in two recent deadly attacks.

"We are collecting evidence. The explosives were similar to those used in the Danish embassy, which was claimed by al-Qaeda, and the attack on the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) camp in Rawalpindi last year," the official said.

An al-Qaeda leader claimed responsibility for the attack on the Danish embassy, but no group said it had targeted the ISI facility.

Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan's president, said after the Marriott attack that the government will take a tough line against fighters linked to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Pakistan's military is currently trying to bring under control of the country's tribal region bordering Afghanistan, an area long considered to be a safe haven for opposition fighters.
 
 

[Avers]

There must be hundreds of pictures and many videos of the attack.

Please post them in this thread.

There is no f-ing way that was simply a car bomb.

Tend to agree here. The story about the US soldiers placing crates in the hotel, which noone was allowed to investigate, is just too suspect to ignore. Then there is the new story about the Pakistan's president, prime minister and other Cabinet members who were supposed to have been at the Marriott Hotel at that point in time:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/22/pakistan.islamabad.marriott.blast/index.html


Also have a look at these two video's:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=r1iBcOYJkuY
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=uOA03BPwSV0

Now I am not an expert at these kind of things, but the damage to the total area looks somewhat excessive to me, possibly large scale fire damage. Now notice how in the second video, just past 1 minute, everything behind the bomb crater (cars and trees) does look damaged, but certainly not as badly as everything in front. And those cars and trees were a lot closer to the explosion.

[Biggs]

also I recall that within 2 hours of the attack they were saying that a one ton bomb had been used.

in what way can they possibly ever know within 2 hours how much explosive was used in an attack, it takes weeks of investigation to work out how much was used, but oh no, within two hours they already had all the answers

[Triadtropz]

wheres the video of the large explosion that created that crater?..

[lord edward coke]

There must be hundreds of pictures and many videos of the attack.

Please post them in this thread.

There is no f-ing way that was simply a car bomb.

Also, you just need to watch the move Syriana to see the technology we use to take out a similar area.  I recall that the crater in the movie Syriana looks similar.

Here is the old thread (feel free to repost information about the obvious reasons why this was not a car bomb): http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=59878.0

YES Syriana is a most revealing movie!!!   when i saw the bombing first reported i said Bush/cia did it.

al CIA da  was sending a msg to Pakistan. when Pakistan told the u.s. that if they invade there country again the (Pakistan )military has orders to shoot to kill.  http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20080918/Pakistan/

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,159484,00.html

here they try to spin it-    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=1482101

warning shots  http://www.pakistannews.net/story/406586

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7618929.stm

a shootout-   http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/2965493/Reports-of-shooting-between-Pakistan-and-US-denied.html

spinout-  http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/resources/issues-explained/pakistan-the-next-us-target.html

[Dok]

Mysterious U.S. Marine Activity At Islamabad Marriot
09-22-2008
Daily Pakistan

Marriott Hotel has now become a ghost house which was yesterday the most beautiful and prestigious hotels in the Islamabad. While the condemnation of the blasts and the deaths and the loss of property is going on from all the quarters, some intriguing news is also pouring in.

After the blast, mysteriously fire was started at the fourth and fifth floors. It was said that this fire was the result of gas pipeline burst running through the hotel. The million dollar question is that was the gas pipeline not running through the other floors? Why the fire broke out from the fourth and fifth flours? That is the question which perhaps holds the key to the mystery as why the hotel was targeted yesterday, in which more than 60 people died including many foreigners.

Though it would never get confirmed but the fire on the fifth and fourth floor of the hotel broke out because those flours were housing the mysterious steel boxes under the heavy guard of United States marines and no one including the Pakistani security forces and the security men of the hotel were allowed to go near with the them. These boxes were shifted inside the hotel when the Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

It is said that one member of parliament Mumtaz Alam who belongs to the PPP, the ruling party was there eye witnessed the whole scene when the white truck of US embassy came to the gate of Marriot Hotel and US marines themselves unloaded the steel boxes from the trucks and shifted them to the fourth and fifth floors without passing through them the scanners at the entrance of the hotels. When the truck was there, all the entrance and the exit passage way to the hotels were closed.

And now this blast has occurred at the Marriott, while that mysterious activity was going on.

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=12032

[Loungin]

Very strange picture.. cars melted destroyed but the tires and rims( aluminum rims? ) look like the are brand new .

This is by far the strangest thing I have seen in a while.  The tires didn't burn?  What happened to these cars that would completely demolish them yet leave them in place and not ignite a highly flamable tire? 

[EvadingGrid]

Que Bono ?

Who stands to gain ?

[MarkCentury]

also I recall that within 2 hours of the attack they were saying that a one ton bomb had been used.

in what way can they possibly ever know within 2 hours how much explosive was used in an attack, it takes weeks of investigation to work out how much was used, but oh no, within two hours they already had all the answers

They were estimating 2200 lbs of explosives based on the crater size.  There must be an equation that estimates the amount of explosives used as a function of crater depth and diameter ... although searching the web for over an hour previously I couldn't find this equation (see earlier posts of mine in this thread).

[David Rothscum]

The BBC is reporting that there was to be a dinner there attended by a large number of the government heads, but the location was changed at the last minute.

There is also a report that Pakistani forces fired on 2 American helicopters flying in Pakistani airspace.

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Pakistan leaders' 'narrow escape'
Pakistan's top leaders were to have been in the Islamabad Marriott hotel when it was bombed - but changed venue at the last minute, officials say.

Interior Ministry head Rehman Malik said the president, prime minister and military chiefs should have been there.

He told journalists "it would have been a great catastrophe", but did not say why dinner plans were changed.

A suicide bomb devastated the hotel on Saturday killing at least 53 people and wounding more than 266.


'Entire leadership'

"The national assembly Speaker had arranged a dinner for the entire leadership - for the president, prime minister and armed services chiefs - at the Marriott that day," Mr Malik told reporters.

"The president and the prime minister changed the venue to the prime minister's house. The function was not held at the Marriott, thus the whole leadership was saved."

The bomb left a six metre (20ft) crater. It is believed to have been detonated in a lorry.


Rescuers have been combing the wreckage for survivors and bodies.

Most of the dead were Pakistanis. One Vietnamese, a German and an American are also known to have died.

No one had admitted carrying out the attack, but the Pakistani Taleban are thought to be the most likely suspects.

Earlier on Monday, Pakistan's government said it would take targeted action against the militants, promising raids in some "hotspots" near the Afghan border.

Driver killed

Meanwhile Afghanistan's consul in Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, has been kidnapped.

The consul, Abdul Khaliq Farahi, was in a car in a Peshawar suburb when it was attacked by six unidentified men, officials say. His driver died in the attack.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7628964.stm

Published: 2008/09/22 09:50:20 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

Flashback:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE3DE1238F931A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
Mr. Silverstein's company had planned a meeting yesterday morning on the 88th floor of one tower to discuss what to do in the event of a terrorist attack. The meeting was canceled Monday night because one participant could not attend.

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/ananova_pierce.html
President's cousin escaped death thanks to schedule change

President Bush's cousin should have been in the World Trade Centre when it was attacked.

Jim Pierce, managing director of AON Corporations, had arranged a business conference on the 105th floor of the South Tower where its New York offices were based.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html#ref2
A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the South Tower. 2   3   (This is the same Air Force Base that George W. Bush would fly to later that day. It has an underground command center.) 4  

[Biggs]

They were estimating 2200 lbs of explosives based on the crater size.  There must be an equation that estimates the amount of explosives used as a function of crater depth and diameter ... although searching the web for over an hour previously I couldn't find this equation (see earlier posts of mine in this thread).

yes but these things are vastly affected by the make up of the road surface and underbase, type or miux of explosives, also the height of the bomb from the ground has a major effect on crater size (very major)  Which is why you could not find an equation as there are too many variables to have a standardised equation.

but perhaps this is the method they used.

[jannerbob]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401

ISLAMABAD: Was there a top secret and mysterious operation of the US Marines going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked on Saturday evening? No one will confirm it but circumstantial evidence is in abundance.

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

Besides several others, PPP MNA Mumtaz Alam Gilani and his two friends, Sajjad Chaudhry, a PPP leader, and one Bashir Nadeem, witnessed this mysterious activity to which no one other than the PPP MNA objected and protested.

A source present there told The News that after entertaining them with refreshments at the Nadia restaurant at midnight when Mumtaz Alam, along with his friends, was to leave the hotel, he found a white US embassy truck standing right in front of the hotel's main entrance.

Both the In-gate and the Out-gate of the hotel were closed while almost a dozen well-built US Marines in their usual fatigues were unloading the steel boxes from the truck. No one, including the hotel security men, was either allowed to go near the truck or touch the steel boxes, which were being shifted inside the hotel but without passing through the scanners.

Upon inquiry, one of the three PPP friends who was waiting for the main gates of the hotel to open to get his car in, was informed that the suspicious boxes were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel. Mumtaz Alam was furious both at the US Marines and the hotel security not only for the delay caused to them but also for the security lapse he was witnessing.

On his protest, there was absolutely no response from the Marines and the security men he approached were found helpless. Mumtaz Alam told the hotel security official that they were going to endanger the hotel and its security. He was also heard telling his friends that he would never visit the hotel again. He also threatened to raise the issue in parliament.

One does not know whether the PPP MNA revisited the hotel after that mysterious midnight but his brother Imtiaz Alam, who is a senior journalist, was in the same hotel when the truck exploded at the main gate of the hotel. Imtiaz Alam had a lucky escape and found his way out of the hotel with great difficulty in pitch darkness.

One of the lifts he was using fell to the ground floor just after he forced the door open on the 4th floor and got out of it.

[David Rothscum]

They were estimating 2200 lbs of explosives based on the crater size.  There must be an equation that estimates the amount of explosives used as a function of crater depth and diameter ... although searching the web for over an hour previously I couldn't find this equation (see earlier posts of mine in this thread).

To do that you'd need to know the type of explosives used as well, and the amount of each type. For example 1 Kg of RDX has an explosive strength 60% higher than TNT, and Ammonium Nitrate (commonly used in IED's) has an explosive strength less than half of TNT.

[XR500Final]

Again it looks like the work of a 4th Generation MicroNuke, as demonstrated by Joe Vialls research into the Bali Bombing.

Note the pattern - Marriott Hotel over and over again keep getting hit.


Kuta Beach, Bali
22 x 5' Crater


Omagh, Northern Ireland
No Crater

http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm

[jannerbob]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/22/pakistan.terrorism1

The new Pakistani president, Asif Ali Zardari, and his prime minister were due to dine at the Marriott hotel on the night it was devastated by a huge truck bomb, it was revealed today.


So Americans were loading steel boxes into the building on the same day Zardari is going to be visiting the same hotel.Was this a botched assassination attempt disguised as a terrorist attack?.

[mike E. dangerously]

Que Bono ?

Who stands to gain ?

The neocons,neolibs and the NWO they want WWIII and are desperate to start it since Russia did not take the bait.

[JBS]

Well somebody tried to take out the Pakistan gov, I wonder who that would be? Luckily, they missed them. US marines were seen unloading metal boxes under a cloak of secrecy just before the blast. Nobody saw any truck, so there was no truck bomb as reported by western media, which by the way has no information what so ever and yet they seemed to know all the details on who did what and with what. Impossible!!!

[skeptic101]

excerpts from:  http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/22/pakistan.islamabad.marriott.blast/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Al-Arabiya TV reported Monday that it received a claim of responsibility for the attack by a previously unknown group called "The Fedayeen of Islam,"

  Ok.  Big hit for a unknown group, but possible.

According to the recording, the group said 250 U.S. Marines and other U.S. and NATO officials were inside the hotel at the time of the attack.

  Wow. Amazingly coincided with Pak rulers dining and how many of these Marines and Nato officials were killed?  And were they present?

The head of Pakistan's Interior Ministry, Rehman Malik, said earlier Monday that the government officials' dinner plans were changed at the last minute, when President Asif Ali Zardari asked to move the event to the prime minister's compound.

  Ok.

But the hotel owner denied the government had made reservations for that night and Pakistani Senator Javed Ashraf Qazi said he was invited to the dinner but it was always scheduled to be at the prime minister's office.

  Not OK, we got a non-jive.

Two American military personnel who worked for the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad were among those killed, the U.S. military said. A Lithuanian Pakistani was also among the fatalities, police superintendent Sheikh Zubair told CNN Sunday. The injured included 11 foreigners, Malik said.

  That answers some questions, where were the alleged 250 Marines at detonation?

No arrests have been made in connection with the attack. But Malik said suspicion is falling on militants in Pakistan's tribal regions.

What an excellent excuse to have the USA attack that area--didn't the Jihadists tell you Malik any death of civilains on the tribal regions will be met in your cities?  Yes.  Duh.

Saturday's massive blast left a nearly 18-meter-wide (60 foot) crater, which was 7m deep (24 feet), Malik said

  Wow. Obviously you have weapons grade--from where???

So many questions that will never have an answer: CONSPIRACY.

[Al-CIAda]

My theory is that it was the gremlins, the easter bunny and donald duck who did it. Mickey Mouse and the known associate, Goofy, are also sought in the investigation.

[Al-CIAda]

Verified intelligence sources verify that the guilty party have had satellite phone conversations with daffy the duck and road runner Gonzales.

[Nailer]

it was a set up by our government...


http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/7422-what-was-mysterious-activity-going-on-in-the-marriott-hotel-islamabad-by-united-states-marines.html

What Was Mysterious Activity Going on in the Marriott Hotel Islamabad by United States Marines
Sunday, 21 September 2008 12:18 www.daily.pk   
Marriott Hotel has now become a ghost house which was yesterday the most beautiful and prestigious hotels in the Islamabad. While the condemnation of the blasts and the deaths and the loss of property is going on from all the quarters, some intriguing news is also pouring in.

After the blast, mysteriously fire was started at the fourth and fifth floors. It was said that this fire was the result of gas pipeline burst running through the hotel. The million dollar question is that was the gas pipeline not running through the other floors? Why the fire broke out from the fourth and fifth flours? That is the question which perhaps holds the key to the mystery as why the hotel was targeted yesterday, in which more than 60 people died including many foreigners.

Though it would never get confirmed but the fire on the fifth and fourth floor of the hotel broke out because those flours were housing the mysterious steel boxes under the heavy guard of United States marines and no one including the Pakistani security forces and the security men of the hotel were allowed to go near with the them. These boxes were shifted inside the hotel when the Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

It is said that one member of parliament Mumtaz Alam who belongs to the PPP, the ruling party was there eye witnessed the whole scene when the white truck of US embassy came to the gate of Marriot Hotel and US marines themselves unloaded the steel boxes from the trucks and shifted them to the fourth and fifth floors without passing through them the scanners at the entrance of the hotels. When the truck was there, all the entrance and the exit passage way to the hotels were closed.

And now this blast has occurred at the Marriott, while that mysterious activity was going on.

 2nd article...


http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401
Sunday, September 21, 2008
The News
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Was there a top secret and mysterious operation of the US Marines going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked on Saturday evening? No one will confirm it but circumstantial evidence is in abundance.

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

Besides several others, PPP MNA Mumtaz Alam Gilani and his two friends, Sajjad Chaudhry, a PPP leader, and one Bashir Nadeem, witnessed this mysterious activity to which no one other than the PPP MNA objected and protested.

A source present there told The News that after entertaining them with refreshments at the Nadia restaurant at midnight when Mumtaz Alam, along with his friends, was to leave the hotel, he found a white US embassy truck standing right in front of the hotel's main entrance.

Both the In-gate and the Out-gate of the hotel were closed while almost a dozen well-built US Marines in their usual fatigues were unloading the steel boxes from the truck. No one, including the hotel security men, was either allowed to go near the truck or touch the steel boxes, which were being shifted inside the hotel but without passing through the scanners.

Upon inquiry, one of the three PPP friends who was waiting for the main gates of the hotel to open to get his car in, was informed that the suspicious boxes were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel. Mumtaz Alam was furious both at the US Marines and the hotel security not only for the delay caused to them but also for the security lapse he was witnessing.

On his protest, there was absolutely no response from the Marines and the security men he approached were found helpless. Mumtaz Alam told the hotel security official that they were going to endanger the hotel and its security. He was also heard telling his friends that he would never visit the hotel again. He also threatened to raise the issue in parliament.

One does not know whether the PPP MNA revisited the hotel after that mysterious midnight but his brother Imtiaz Alam, who is a senior journalist, was in the same hotel when the truck exploded at the main gate of the hotel. Imtiaz Alam had a lucky escape and found his way out of the hotel with great difficulty in pitch darkness.

One of the lifts he was using fell to the ground floor just after he forced the door open on the 4th floor and got out of it.
*******************************************************

[UK Lyn]

Well done all posters.  No cries of 'them dumb Pakistanis, what they talkin about'.

No, we're wise to what the NWO will stoop to, and so it seems, are Pakistani people.

A pity the AJ Radio Show can't be subtitled in Urdu, they need to know they're not alone in seeing through the veil.

My god things are quickening, this is so damned depressing.

[Nailer]

here are some pics , look at the size of the crater.. had to be a missile that hit the burning truck by following the heat .

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-35456-8.html#backToArticle=579528

[trailhound]

This is by far the strangest thing I have seen in a while.  The tires didn't burn?  What happened to these cars that would completely demolish them yet leave them in place and not ignite a highly flammable tire?

yes very peculiar..maybe Dr Woods isnt so nuts after all i dont know im just saying that's weird

[Wintermute]

Would microwaves melt rubber tires?

[EchelonMonitor]

Pakistan Daily picked up Paul Watson's story:

http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/7433-why-would-terrorists-want-to-decapitate-anti-us-leadership-in-pakistan-.html

[heavyhebrew]

Youtube link to truck bomb at Marriot. Looks like a half ton with whatever in the box. Whatever it was, it burns hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?aq=f&emb=0&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch%3Fq%3Dmarriot+truck+bomb&v=Fo2iXgCVIYo

[EchelonMonitor]

"A little known Pakistani militant group, Fidayeen-e-Islam, has said it carried out the attack, which left 53 dead and more than 266 injured.

The group - based in Pakistan's tribal areas and connected to leading militant Baitullah Mehsud - told the BBC that the aim of the attack was to stop US interference in Pakistan."

Sounds like a standard CIA op to me--they claim to want the opposite of what the attack was intended to do.

[trailhound]

Sounds like a standard CIA op to me--they claim to want the opposite of what the attack was intended to do.

+1

[EvadingGrid]

Size of that crater.....

Makes me wonder why the building did not Oklahoma to the ground, but I guess its Pakistani Built and not American.

[MarkCentury]

Size of that crater.....

Makes me wonder why the building did not Oklahoma to the ground, but I guess its Pakistani Built and not American.

Great point.  More evidence of Oklahoma bombs IN the building.

[Hawkwind]

Would microwaves melt rubber tires?

thats what i thought...could be were looking at multiple weapons here made to confuse....napalm type bombs placed inside the hotel, two trucks full of high grade explosives piloted by two mind control drones, a tac nuke placed in the boot of a sedan that no operatives where warned about and to top it off lets aim a microwave beam from a millitary satellite and just destroy any organic matter within a block radius....i wonder who was staying at the marriott that was vip?

[EvadingGrid]

Another Important Point

I went into The City of London with an Engineer to inspect the damage caused by an IRA truck Bomb.
Now the IRA are not exactly complete idiots and had around 20 years expirence at this point.

Lets compare the two events

Total damage:
 broken windows
 torn blinds
 small shallow crater
 
Now play spot the difference.