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Re: Al CIAda to blame for bombing of hotel
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2008, 08:48:14 AM »
The bombing was a message to Pakistan

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2008, 08:57:54 AM »
watch the truck 'fizzing' here and catching fire, looks seriously odd

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7627791.stm
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2008, 08:59:00 AM »
a must read post from David Rothscum

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Marriott_Hotel_bombing#American_Presence
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US soldiers causing security breach

A member of parliament for the ruling Pakistan People's Party, Syed Mumtaz Alam Gilani from the Punjab city of Bahawalnagar,[21] has come forward with testimony evidencing a purportedly serious security breach at the Marriott on Friday night, the day before the bombing.[22] In Pakistan's second largest English-language newspaper, The News International, Mumtaz Alam Gilani describes how he and two friends witnessend steel boxes being unloaded from a US Embassy truck by US Marines soldiers and, according to someone at the hotel upon being queried by one of Mumtaz Alam Gilani's friends, transported to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel.[22] Among the several people who witnessed this incident was also PPP leader Sajjad Chaudhry,[22] however, Alam Gilani was the only one who objected to and protested the apparent security breach taking place, but was met with silence from the American soldiers. The hotel security staff did also not respond to Gilani's protests as they passively watched what was taking place, not being allowed to go near the boxes by the US soldiers.[22]
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2008, 09:00:16 AM »
and one from myself in response (both this and above psot found here - http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=55246.80
 too many questions yet again that give cause for suspicion
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thank you for that eye opening info David, I saw on the news this morning a video of the truck as it pulled up to the security gate at the end of the driveway fo the Marriot hotel.

a small fizz and spark occurred and then the DRIVERS CAB went up in flames and the security guards got a fire extinguisher and tried to put it out as the whole cab went up. They did not show the actual explosion however, it very much looked like a device which did nto go up as intended.

So if the device just fizzed and the detonators did nto set off an excplosion, then the driver's cab goes up in flames, how exactly did the bomb go off if the people in the cab were on fire?

Was it set off remotely somehow and the driver's detonation sequence was just a decoy to keep them quite, or indeed were they even aware of a bomb?

Why did the whoel hotel burn down when the damage from the blast was not that bad, most of the blast seemed to have gone down into the ground and the building structure was enitrely intact (although windows, awnings and so on had all gone - hence the high number of wounded 266 at last count)

but the building structure was ENTIRELY intact, yet the fires raged through it after the event, well after, could it be that these steel boxes were incendiary deivces ensuring that the death toll was reasonably high and the hotel burned fully ?

Also, the crater was truly vast, I do not understand why, perhaps blast barriers deflected the blast wave bak into the ground, but really a truck bomb should not leave such a big crater - yes a missile or air to ground bomb, yes artillery shells, they all impact into the ground at speed before exploding, but why a stationary truck bomb where the device is 3, 4 or mroe feet off the ground? I do not udnerstand how such a crater is made.

Starting to look like another coordinated event where the truck drivers may have had little knowledge of what was happening and the western intelligence agencies may have had a geat deal of knowledge.

An attempt to keep Zardari and Kiyani and co onside in the GWoT? well we could not put it past CIA/Delta/MI6/SAS/Mossad types coudl we.

yet again many unanswered questions.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2008, 10:10:05 AM »
Thanks for the sticky Biggs, I agree with your analysis. I want to remind everyone about who has the motives for this attack, because this is what made me question this attack first, along with Intelcenter's attempt to make us believe this was Al Qaeda.

If you look at the war on Terror you'll see that the enemy is created and sustained by our governments. The US and Britain caused the civil war in Iraq, and formally funded the Taliban until 2001, and informally thereafter. They could never keep this war going this long without keeping the enemy alive. It's the same in Pakistan, we know that the US has funded Jundullah (a Baluchi seperatist group, the Baluchi people live in the area where Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran border eachother) thanks to Sy Hersh, and their forces are trained in the tribal area's of Pakistan. The main reason for this is said to be to attack Iran, by having them attack their country, but anyone can figure out that these people will attack Pakistan as well, a country with a government that's already less stable than the one in Iran. Another way to strengthen the violent groups in Pakistan would be to anger them, by attacking civilians, a tactic that's commonly used, note how practically every strike we've seen by the US in Pakistan involved civilians being killed. I don't have to remind anyone here about the air strikes that have been committed by Israel in Lebanon and by the US in Afghanistan that caused solely civilian casualties, these were meant to radicalize the population. In fact, our government admits to striking certain targets, for the sole purpose of finding out how people will respond: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hhvKtDUf0Y_ppHvZSLrVuPGOoE2QD938MRD02
Air strikes like these inside Pakistan have been going on for a while now, and they're having the desired effect. Groups in Pakistan are now threathening to switch sides, and join the Taliban, but the attacks just continue:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/09/15-3
There's just one problem with these strikes, they're hard to continue because the Pakistani government has now started to seriously oppose these strikes in it's territory. However, after this bombing that killed Pakistanis and Westerners it's a lot easier for the US to get away with it's attacks on Pakistan, after all, the central government could not stop this attack on it's capital, so who are they to judge the US for intervening? The long term goal of all of this is to destroy Pakistan. By 2015, the CIA predicts that Pakistan will be a failed state, where the Taliban has vastly grown in strength: http://www.hindu.com/2005/02/14/stories/2005021407221100.htm
The US has plans to rebuild the entire Middle East, and Pakistan plays an important role, because it's a growing ally of the Chinese.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2008, 10:17:47 AM »
I did not put the pin on,

but I agree with all of your post, there is clearly an attempt to incite the people of Pakistan into war, maker them SO ANGRY and so afraid that they begin responing violently against their government and any US presence.

and it is working, and with all the odd elements of this bombing (unanswered questions that contradict the official story) it does rather look like this was a false flag to further that agenda
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2008, 10:23:17 AM »
Its just what they needed(conveniently) to ramp up the attacks in Pakistan.FOX  news is Really pushing that this was the work of Al-ciada...on to Pakistan.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2008, 10:34:45 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Marriott_Hotel_bombing

Marriott International   

In a statement on his corporate blog, the CEO of the Marriott group International, Bill Marriott said that, “This senseless tragedy and the profound loss of life has left me greatly saddened. My heart goes out to those who've been injured and the families of the victims.... Currently, our associates who escaped serious injury are doing whatever they can to assist with rescue and recovery efforts. The actions of these associates in Islamabad and their desire and willingness to help in a time of such tremendous tragedy are a true testament to Marriott's culture.” [35] and that "We live in a dangerous world and this is a terrible tragedy. We grieve for those people who died, or were injured, and their families..." [36]

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He is not quickly blaming al-CIAda, and this will probably tarnish the Marriott brand forever....

Do I smell a possible high-level truther in the making?

C'mon Bill, tell us the truth!  You know it was a false flag!  Tell them you now question all of this BS GWoT that has cost the entire hotel industry billions.

If you see Bill start saying shit like "we now hove witnesses that it was al-CIAda" then cross reference the statements with government payoffs/bailouts like they did with AA and US Air.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2008, 01:48:25 PM »
Re: possible Tom Clancy connection.  You're thinking of the novel & film "Clear And Present Danger" which details a CIA "false flag" operation...

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Cutter orders the aerial bombing of a villa where all of the Cartel's leaders are supposed to meet to sort out the recent development. The bombing is mostly successful, killing a large number of the Cartel leaders and fooling the media and other observers into thinking that the destruction was caused by a car bomb set by a rival drug lord. However, Escobedo and Cortez happen to be running late. They avoid the bombing, but innocent women and children are also killed in the action, much to Cutter's dismay. The situation is exacerbated when Ryan and Cortez independently discover that the United States was responsible for the bombing.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2008, 02:02:42 PM »
Yeah that was it, Wintermute. Thanks. Good book btw.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2008, 02:57:35 PM »
DOD employees killed in Pakistan blast

U.S. Embassy spokesman in Pakistan says two Defense Department employees are among at least 53 people killed in the truck bombing at the Islamabad Marriott hotel yesterday.

He says a third American, a contractor for the State Department, is unaccounted for.

Three U.S. Embassy employees and an embassy contractor were injured.

No group has claimed responsibility for the attack, but officials and experts say the scale of the blast and its high-profile target are the hallmarks of media-savvy al-Qaida.

But a former government security chief for Pakistan's tribal areas, says that while it had "all the signatures" of an al-Qaida strike, homegrown Taliban militants probably have learned how to carry out such an attack.

He suggests al-Qaida is providing "money, motivation, direction" and leadership and, in his words, "using the Taliban as gun fodder."

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« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2008, 03:00:33 PM »
Pakistan braced for new wave of violence

Pakistan’s intelligence and security officials on Sunday warned that the weekend suicide bombing at Islamabad’s Marriott hotel, which killed at least 53 people, could be the start of a wave of attacks targeting the country’s largest cities.

The bombing – which left 266 injured, many seriously – has sparked a security rethink for all of Pakistan’s biggest urban areas. “This attack could be the beginning of a [new] terror campaign,” said one senior intelligence official.

Rahman Malik, the prime minister’s adviser on the interior, said the government planned to launch a new disaster management strategy which would include improvements to ­rescue operations and the introduction of closed circuit television cameras in high security zones.

The blast at the Marriott was the most deadly terrorist attack yet in Pakistan, and the highest-profile event since the siege on the Red Mosque in July 2007. It has been likened by politicians and security officials to the New York attacks in 2001.

Situated near the official residences of Asif Ali Zardari, the president, and of the prime minister – and a stone’s throw from the city’s diplomatic quarters – the attack has struck a blow at the heart of Pakistan’s ruling establishment. It was not only a favoured base for foreign diplomats, businessmen and the Pakistani elite, but represented a premier western brand in Islamabad, being one of just two five-star hotels in the city.

“Now the Marriott has gone and so has the pride of Pakistani rulers,” said a prominent businessman on Sunday, weighing the fallout from the attack. “If you don’t just count the number of people killed, which is a number that adds on to so many others killed before, you have to appreciate the very powerful psychological effect.”

Some US officials see the bombing as a possible signal of displeasure by the Taliban and al-Qaeda at recent cross-border attacks by US forces from Afghanistan – attacks Washington believes have been effective.

The US attacks have continued in spite of Pakistani protests. George W. Bush, US president, is due to meet Mr Zardari at the United Nations on Tuesday.

Among the immediate questions was the extent to which the attack could have been prevented. Yusuf Raza Gilani, the prime minister, on Sunday countered accusations that Pakistan’s intelligence services had failed.

“Had there been an intelligence failure, how could we have successfully overseen the holding of a joint session of parliament just hours before the attack?” said Mr Gilani, referring to Saturday’s parliamentary session, which was addressed for the first time by the newly elected Mr Zardari.

That event was surrounded by intense security which included detailed checks on motorists driving into the area as well as sporadic checks of pedestrians.

Ikram Sehgal, a commentator on security affairs, said the blast had, however, revealed huge and alarming gaps in Pakistan’s security arrangements.

“A truck laden with explosives went through five or six checkpoints in Islamabad. How can this happen? This is definitely a security breakdown,” he said.

Western defence officials stationed in Islamabad said the attack had forced Pakistan to reconsider the role of key intelligence services, notably the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

Western officials have repeatedly urged Pakistan to tighten curbs around the ISI and to cleanse it of people who might be sympathetic to Islamic militants.

In recent weeks, the Pakistan military has increased the number of attacks on suspected militant sites, though experts argue that the effort must be sustained.

“Pakistan cannot afford any grey areas. Faced with such a major threat to its future, Pakistan must follow up this attack with a vigorous and long term commitment,” said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a prominent commentator on security affairs.

On the streets of Islamabad on Sunday, ordinary Pakistani people were clearly divided, though there was widespread acknowledgement that time had come for concerted action.

“We have to fight these militants but my only question is, do we have a capable government which can do this?” asked Khalid Butt, a school clerk. “Our leaders make promises but never before have those been ­fulfilled.”

Naeem Raja, a fruit vendor, took a longer-term view.

“Human beings have an instinct to survive. As long as just poor people were getting killed on the border, that did not make any difference to the lives of rich people. But now, the war is knocking on their doors. Maybe they will act in their own best interests,” he said.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2008, 03:08:30 PM »
Pakistan hands over 140 Afghanis to Kabul

September 21, 2008
 CHAMAN: Authorities on Sunday released 140 Afghan nationals from district jail Quetta and Panjgur and handed them over to Afghan officials at Pak-Afghan Chaman border, police sources at the border said.

Afghan nationals were held for having entered into Pakistan without any legal documents. They were tried under Foreign Act-1946 and released after completion of their sentences.

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« Reply #93 on: September 21, 2008, 03:13:23 PM »
Al-Qaida tape called for Pakistan attacks

The deadly bombing of a Pakistan hotel came after al-Qaida released a tape exhorting followers to step up attacks in the country, ABC News reported.

No one had claimed responsibility Sunday for the blast at the Islamabad Marriott Hotel, which killed at least 57 and injured up to 230 more Saturday. But in a 90-minute tape produced by al-Qaida to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a group leader calls for Pakistani targets to be hit, the network reported.

On the tape, senior al-Qaida leader Mustafa Abu Yazidd tells watchers: "And we tell the jealous people of mujahedin of Pakistan that in order for the jihad in Afghanistan to continue and be victorious, you must stand with your brothers the mujahedin in Afghanistan to fight the puppet regime of Pakistan and its aggressive and tyrannical army and strike the interest of the crusader allies in Pakistan."

ABC News said Yazzid claimed responsibility for an attack this year on the Danish embassy in Islamabad, which was said to be retaliation for the publication of cartoons in Denmark that Yazzid said mocked the Prophet Mohammed.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #94 on: September 21, 2008, 03:30:20 PM »
Don't get me wrong folks, I DO think theres "funny business" going on here.  However, I do think it COULD have been a truck bomb:


Keith A. Holsapple, an expert on craters and professor of engineering mechanics at the University of Washington, examined the photographs of the Beirut crater for AFP. "There is no doubt," Holsapple said, "at least a several ton bomb would be required if it were delivered by a vehicle and detonated above the surface."

"A 50-foot crater in a wet soil would require on the order of 6 tons of ANFO (ammonium nitrate fuel oil) if the explosion were just above the surface," Holsapple said. "If the bomb was detonated just below the surface, that bomb weight is reduced to about 2 tons, and if a penetrator weapon was used, the weight would be on the order of 1 ton, to within a factor of two." A larger bomb would be required if the soil was "essentially dry at depths at the time of the event," he added.



Here's the link to the full article about a similar false flag bombing in Lebanon:  http://www.zeitenschrift.net/news/sne-28205-hariri.ihtml
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2008, 03:53:19 PM »
I agree this could've been a Mini-Nuke or something.

However does anyone want to debate the real situation here?

That fact that this was a false flag CIA job meant to influence the people of Pakistan into joining the phony "War on Terrorism"

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« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2008, 04:06:17 PM »
StemCell, please include links to the articles you are posting.  Cridibility is diminished without it.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #97 on: September 21, 2008, 04:17:31 PM »
Still no report of either Al Qaeda or the Taliban claiming responsibility.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2008, 04:34:17 PM »
watch the truck 'fizzing' here and catching fire, looks seriously odd

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7627791.stm

Great video Biggs. 

The sparkler like fizzling we're seeing isn't a chemical fuse or a failed detonation ...

That truck had two purposes:

1) Provide the illusion of a terrorist truck bombing

2) Act as a signal flare targeting a powerful smart bomb  dropped from thousands of feet above.

In this narrative:

http://tinyurl.com/44lazo

The driver of a six-wheeled truck rams through the gates scattering security guards who suspect a truck bombing and run for cover.  The truck drives in front of the Marriott and comes to a stop, but the truck does not detonate.  If this had been a simple suicide truck bombing you can be sure that there would  have been a big "Easy" button and that truck would have detonated immediately.  Instead the truck just sits there.  Maybe our suicide bomber is getting cold feet - or maybe he was instructed to wait until surrounded by guards (so there could be witnesses to the suicide bombing aspect). 

In any event the truck sits there long enough for security guards to come up and inspect the cabin.  When they do the suicide bomber blows himself up.  This accounts for one of the two explosions that occurred prior to the main explosion.  The suicide bomber was likely told by his CIA coached Al Qaeda handlers that when he blew his vest it would trigger the "truck bomb".   But instead it merely sets the truck on fire -- causing it to burn white hot like a signal flare

Shortly thereafter there is a massive explosion creating a 30 foot deep crater and rocking fear into all of Islamabad!  As we've discussed previously there is no precedent for an above ground vehicle bomb creating a crater of this magnitude.  Pakistan is no explosives virgin, but Chief Rehman Malik describes this massive bombing as "the biggest bombing in the country's history".

The outcome?

- McCain voters are now sure that Al Qaeda is alive and well and that they need a tough war President at the helm.

- There will be no more talk of Pakistani sovereignty from the new President Zadari, instead he now has the cover to acquiesce to continued "partnership" (hegemony) with the USA as we continue to occupy and dominate the region.
 
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« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2008, 04:39:06 PM »
Military Grade explosives used!
I didn't know the Taliban has frigging RDX:
http://news.trendaz.com/?show=news&newsid=1300709&lang=EN
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Malik said it was the biggest such blast ever experienced in Pakistan. Splinters and artillery and mortar rounds were packed around 0.6 ton of military-standard TNT and RDX explosives mixed with aluminum powder that started a fire which gutted the six-storey building.

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« Reply #100 on: September 21, 2008, 04:43:06 PM »
somethings all wrong here I saw the film.. that truck didnt create that huge crater..
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« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2008, 04:53:59 PM »
Russian authorities had to lie about RDX used in the bombings on the appartment buildings in 1999:
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It was initially reported by the FSB that the explosives used by the terrorists was RDX (or "hexogen"). However, it was officially declared later that the explosive was not RDX, but a mixture of aluminum powder, niter (saltpeter), sugar, and TNT prepared by the perpetrators in a concrete mixer at a fertilizer factory in Urus-Martan, Chechnya.[28][29] RDX is produced in only one[citation needed] factory in Russia, in the city of Perm,[4] although it might be also smuggled from suppliers outside of Russia[30] or stolen from munition storage facilities.[31][32][33]

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #102 on: September 21, 2008, 05:09:13 PM »
StemCell, please include links to the articles you are posting.  Cridibility is diminished without it.

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Not sure how I should take that Sane, but will do in the future.

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« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2008, 05:12:34 PM »
I just heard on MSNBC that they are now saying there was "Aluminum Dust" in the bomb.

And that US Intelligence is saying "Al-Qeada must have done it, due to the sophistication"

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« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2008, 05:21:45 PM »
The aluminum could have been used in the material that caused the truck to burn and fizzle like a signal flare.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2008, 05:33:27 PM »
Polymer modified TNT containing explosives
Document Type and Number:
United States Patent 4445948

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Inventors:
Stanton, Horace D. (Ridgecrest, CA)
Reed Jr., Russell (Ridgecrest, CA)
Application Number:
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05/01/1984
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Abstract:
The present invention relates to an improved explosive TNT based composit consisting of TNT, HDX, RDX, aluminum and a small amount of an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups dissolved or dispersed throughout, said composition having improved properties. Such improved properties include: reduced cracking and exudation, improved friction sensitivity, sympathetic detonation and enhanced cook-off hazard properties.


BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

1. Field of the Invention

This invention relates to TNT based explosives. More particularly it relates to coated TNT based explosives to prevent so-called cook-off (explosion) when said explosives are exposed to heat or become heated. Still more particularly it relates to a group of coating materials for TNT based explosives that prevent cook-off when said explosives are exposed to thermal conditions.

2. Description of the Prior Art

Trinitrotoluene (TNT) alone and as modified with other explosive compositions are available at relatively low cost and are conveniently processed to yield castable explosives. This composition suffers, however, from several disadvantages. TNT containing explosives tend to exude and crack upon temperature cycling, decompose autocatalytically upon being exposed to fuel fires and explode or detonate when in a bomb or warhead configuration, and, further tend to detonate if struck by a bullet or high velocity fragments. These drawbacks have been partially ameliorated in the past by using wax type coatings as desensitizers and process aids. Such wax coatings are deposited irregularly as agglomerates onto the explosive composition. As such, wax coatings tend to run off the explosive composition surface upon exposure to heat and create potential cook-off conditions. Further, the wax obtainable varies in quality thus creating a non-uniform surface.

BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

This invention overcomes the disadvantages of previous wax coatings by providing a metl cast, explosive, TNT based composition consisting of INT, RDX, HMX, aluminum and an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups dissolved or intimately dispersed throughout said composition. Such an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups provide solubility or dispersibility of said polymer throughout the composition and also enhances the affinity of the additive for polar surfaces available by other explosive ingredients within the composition, such as, aluminum, cyclic nitramines (RDX, HDX), and oxidizers (ammonium nitrate). The RDX and HMX ingredients are the most hazardous of the ingredients and therefore are coated to achieve explosives having reduced hazard sensitivities such as cook-off, sympathetic detonation and fragment initiation. These additives also substantially reduce cracking and exudation.

OBJECTS OF THE INVENTION

An object of the present invention is to provide an improved explosive TNT based composition having an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups dissolved or dispersed throughout said composition that enhances cook-off hazard properties upon temperature cycling, as well as, improving friction sensitivity, and enhancing sympathetic detonation.

Another object of the present invention is to provide a method for making an improved explosive TNT based composition having an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups dissolved or dispersed throughout said composition that enhances cook-off hazard properties and reducing cracking and exudation upon temperature cycling, as well as, improving friction sensitivity, and enhancing sympathetic detonation.

Other objects and many advantages of this invention will be readily appreciated as the same becomes better understood by reference to the following detailed description.

DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENT

A new explosive TNT based composition consisting of TNT, RDX (cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine), HMX (cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine), and aluminum with an elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups dissolved or dispersed throughout said composition and its use are disclosed by applicants. The elastomeric linear polymer having polar groups allows affinity of the various additives to the TNT based composition thus yielding an end product with reduced exudation upon temperature cycling, improved friction sensitivity and enhancement of cook-off hazard properties. The preferred elastomeric linear polymers having polar groups are ethylene vinyl acetate copolymer, a latex terpolymer of polyethylene, polyvinyl acetate, polyvinyl alcohol and low molecular weight linear hydroxy acrylates and methacrylates.

The inventive TNT based composition is a melt cast explosive wherein particles of HMX or RDX, previously coated with the elastomeric linear polymer of the invention, is mixed into the melted TNT along with particles of aluminum. A portion of the elastomeric linear polymer then tends to dissolve or disperse throughout the melt. The melt is then cast and cooled to form the inventive explosive composition.

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« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2008, 05:39:03 PM »
"Pakistan's acting top security official, Rehman Malik, told NBC News today that the truck appears to have been carring 600 kilograms of potassium chloride, along with mortars, artillery, aluminum power, and the explosives RDX and TNT."

http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/21/1429985.aspx

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2008, 06:25:07 PM »

Politicization of terrorism not in national interest: JIH chief


Sat, 09/20/2008 - 18:48.
By Mumtaz Alam Falahi, TwoCircles.net,

http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/sep/20/politicization_terrorism_not_national_interest_jih_chief.html

New Delhi - “Involvement of politics is clear in all these cases (terrorist bombings). Some parties are using it for their purposes. This will not be in the interest of the country. If you are doing this to victimize an entire community, that will not be good for the country,” said Maulana Jalaluddin Umri, Ameer (chief) of Jamaat-e-Islami Hind today.

He was addressing a gathering of Muslim journalists at an Iftar party hosted by JIH at its headquarters.

“Correct story should be published by media, true culprits should be identified, it should not be that a person is declared guilty and then evidence should be collected,” he said.

He urged the Urdu media and Muslim journalists to give prominence to the forces of peace and those who are demanding fair probe of the terrorist bombings.

“Some parties and organizations from the majority community have pressed on finding out the truth. RJD leader Lalu Prasad Yadav, LJP leader Ram Vilas Paswan, SP leader Mulayam Singh Yadav and CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat have demanded fair enquiry into terrorist bombings” said the Ameer to the journalists.

Muslim press and Muslim pressmen should highlight those voices and strengthen their voice. If those voices were not given exposure and due recognition, then there will be no chance of justice in the country, he warned.

He also urged the Muslim press to be united in their approach to terrorism and they should talk in one voice.

He also said that everyone should not open their mouth on issue related to Islam. Rather they should consult those who are expert on the subject and publish their views.

JI demands Rehman Malik to resign

http://thepost.com.pk/CityNewsT.aspx?dtlid=184262&catid=3

Staff Reporter Monday, September 22, 2008

LAHORE: Jamat-e-Islami Secretary General Syed Munawar Hassan has demanded that interior minister/adviser Rehman Malik should tender resignation after Marriott hotel blast adding there was no justification to stay in the office. Addressing a function here on Sunday he stated that non-Muslim forces had attacked Pakistan and the rulers had no knowledge about it.

He said it was a matter of deep concern for him that even the sensitive red zone was not safe and involvement of USA and India could not be ruled out in it. He said the role of American embassy had always been doubtful and Pakistani rulers should come out of the war of America as soon as possible in the larger national interests.



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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #108 on: September 21, 2008, 06:56:49 PM »
JI were one of the groups funded heavily in the Afghan war, they provided a lot of logistical support to the Mujahideen, but near the end and afterwards, it was the Wahhabi and Deobandi groups that got the money, cutting the mroe sensible groups like JI out of the picture,

essentially JI are rather more moderate than Taliban or Arab groups or even the like of Hekmatyar's Hisb e Islami

hence they can be relied on reasonably well to have made a relatively fair assessment of the situation.

in other words a moderate & well respected, if not quite mainstream, political group has said this is very likely a US job.

well well well, if they are saying it be sure that lots of people on the ground in Pakistan are saying it, which will make them even more pissed next time the US forces cross the border and do some killing

indeed civill war is being incited in Pakistan
(and has been for some time already, it is an ongoing destabilisation op)

p.s. f***ing evil bastards destabilising Pakistan, I mean are they totally insane?? in what way can US/NATO forces cope with such an outcome, they can't, heck they may as well attack Iran if they want truck loads of troops to come home in body bags every week.

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Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #109 on: September 21, 2008, 07:04:11 PM »



Many city persons said that they suspected that the US was behind the attacks
.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=137265

Monday, September 22, 2008
The News special report

Karachi- Pakistan

“America is behind the attack since it wants to invade Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan and it wants to generate reasons to invade,” said Shahid Khan Azeemi, a school teacher at Karachi Public School Korangi Campus.

Rabia Kausar, 24, a resident of Delhi Colony commented that the American government is possibly behind the attack so that it can reinforce its point that we need their support.

There were more theories on this. “It might be the reaction of government’s decision to handover an air base located in Peshawar to the US-led coalition forces or it might be the result of US attacks on Bajaur and other localities of Northern Pakistan,” Cyris, 28, resident of Sachal Goth, Gulistan-e-Jauhar said. Dr Naeem Ahmed, Assistant Professor of International Relations at Karachi University said the blast could be reaction of US’s action in Wana and the terrorists wanted to give message that they can strike anywhere. “The government is not in position to control terrorism,” he commented.

There are those who argued that the government should talk to the Taliban. Akash Ram, in his 30s, said “It is the result of military operation in Waziristan, Swat and other areas. The government should immediately stop this operation.”

When asked which group could be responsible, Iftikhar Ahmed, 32, a taxi driver and a resident of Liaquatabad said “There are so many terrorist groups operating that it is difficult to point a finger at any one. Every group has a different agenda. The government should dig deep and find out who is trying to destabilize Pakistan. It’s about time they held a thorough investigation. Mere statements that they are ‘investigating’ will not help.”

There are those who insisted in US complicity. “While locals were used in the incident but, actually it was US who trained them and also provides explosives to them,” Nasim, 33, resident of Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Block-1 said. Housewife Sidra Hassan, a resident of Guistan-e-Johar agreed with this: “It is a conspiracy of the American Government undoubtedly.

Moreover, who knows the government itself would be involved. Such a blast in a high security zone is a big deal. The government might have done this to move the attention from incidents in the North. It is a difficult question! What would one expect from Asif Ali Zardari.”

Syed Haider Naqvi, Commercial Pilot, has said that US was behind the incident due to the reason that Pakistani president in his recent speech addressed that Pakistan would not allow any foreign activities in the country. This view was also shared by senior banker Taazzum Ali, a resident of Clifton who stated “This might be an attempt to make President Zardari’s visit to USA a success by getting a soft corner against terrorism.”



English Language teacher Nida Sarfaraz, resident of SMCHS was of the view that the “ISI or CIA-led Taliban have done this."

Many insisted that it was India taking revenge on Pakistan. Abdul Ali, 75, a Raj Mistri and a resident of Zamanabad said, “Enemies of Pakistan especially the US and India are backing these terrorists.”


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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #110 on: September 21, 2008, 07:16:57 PM »
it was a set up by our government...


http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/7422-what-was-mysterious-activity-going-on-in-the-marriott-hotel-islamabad-by-united-states-marines.html

What Was Mysterious Activity Going on in the Marriott Hotel Islamabad by United States Marines
Sunday, 21 September 2008 12:18 www.daily.pk   
Marriott Hotel has now become a ghost house which was yesterday the most beautiful and prestigious hotels in the Islamabad. While the condemnation of the blasts and the deaths and the loss of property is going on from all the quarters, some intriguing news is also pouring in.

After the blast, mysteriously fire was started at the fourth and fifth floors. It was said that this fire was the result of gas pipeline burst running through the hotel. The million dollar question is that was the gas pipeline not running through the other floors? Why the fire broke out from the fourth and fifth flours? That is the question which perhaps holds the key to the mystery as why the hotel was targeted yesterday, in which more than 60 people died including many foreigners.

Though it would never get confirmed but the fire on the fifth and fourth floor of the hotel broke out because those flours were housing the mysterious steel boxes under the heavy guard of United States marines and no one including the Pakistani security forces and the security men of the hotel were allowed to go near with the them. These boxes were shifted inside the hotel when the Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

It is said that one member of parliament Mumtaz Alam who belongs to the PPP, the ruling party was there eye witnessed the whole scene when the white truck of US embassy came to the gate of Marriot Hotel and US marines themselves unloaded the steel boxes from the trucks and shifted them to the fourth and fifth floors without passing through them the scanners at the entrance of the hotels. When the truck was there, all the entrance and the exit passage way to the hotels were closed.

And now this blast has occurred at the Marriott, while that mysterious activity was going on.

 2nd article...


http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401
Sunday, September 21, 2008
The News
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Was there a top secret and mysterious operation of the US Marines going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked on Saturday evening? No one will confirm it but circumstantial evidence is in abundance.

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

Besides several others, PPP MNA Mumtaz Alam Gilani and his two friends, Sajjad Chaudhry, a PPP leader, and one Bashir Nadeem, witnessed this mysterious activity to which no one other than the PPP MNA objected and protested.

A source present there told The News that after entertaining them with refreshments at the Nadia restaurant at midnight when Mumtaz Alam, along with his friends, was to leave the hotel, he found a white US embassy truck standing right in front of the hotel's main entrance.

Both the In-gate and the Out-gate of the hotel were closed while almost a dozen well-built US Marines in their usual fatigues were unloading the steel boxes from the truck. No one, including the hotel security men, was either allowed to go near the truck or touch the steel boxes, which were being shifted inside the hotel but without passing through the scanners.

Upon inquiry, one of the three PPP friends who was waiting for the main gates of the hotel to open to get his car in, was informed that the suspicious boxes were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel. Mumtaz Alam was furious both at the US Marines and the hotel security not only for the delay caused to them but also for the security lapse he was witnessing.

On his protest, there was absolutely no response from the Marines and the security men he approached were found helpless. Mumtaz Alam told the hotel security official that they were going to endanger the hotel and its security. He was also heard telling his friends that he would never visit the hotel again. He also threatened to raise the issue in parliament.

One does not know whether the PPP MNA revisited the hotel after that mysterious midnight but his brother Imtiaz Alam, who is a senior journalist, was in the same hotel when the truck exploded at the main gate of the hotel. Imtiaz Alam had a lucky escape and found his way out of the hotel with great difficulty in pitch darkness.

One of the lifts he was using fell to the ground floor just after he forced the door open on the 4th floor and got out of it.
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #111 on: September 21, 2008, 07:27:01 PM »

Politicization of terrorism not in national interest: JIH chief


Sat, 09/20/2008 - 18:48.
By Mumtaz Alam Falahi, TwoCircles.net,

http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/sep/20/politicization_terrorism_not_national_interest_jih_chief.html

New Delhi - “Involvement of politics is clear in all these cases (terrorist bombings). Some parties are using it for their purposes. This will not be in the interest of the country. If you are doing this to victimize an entire community, that will not be good for the country,” said Maulana Jalaluddin Umri, Ameer (chief) of Jamaat-e-Islami Hind today.

He was addressing a gathering of Muslim journalists at an Iftar party hosted by JIH at its headquarters.

“Correct story should be published by media, true culprits should be identified, it should not be that a person is declared guilty and then evidence should be collected,” he said.

He urged the Urdu media and Muslim journalists to give prominence to the forces of peace and those who are demanding fair probe of the terrorist bombings.

“Some parties and organizations from the majority community have pressed on finding out the truth. RJD leader Lalu Prasad Yadav, LJP leader Ram Vilas Paswan, SP leader Mulayam Singh Yadav and CPI (M) leader Brinda Karat have demanded fair enquiry into terrorist bombings” said the Ameer to the journalists.

Muslim press and Muslim pressmen should highlight those voices and strengthen their voice. If those voices were not given exposure and due recognition, then there will be no chance of justice in the country, he warned.

He also urged the Muslim press to be united in their approach to terrorism and they should talk in one voice.

He also said that everyone should not open their mouth on issue related to Islam. Rather they should consult those who are expert on the subject and publish their views.

JI demands Rehman Malik to resign

http://thepost.com.pk/CityNewsT.aspx?dtlid=184262&catid=3

Staff Reporter Monday, September 22, 2008

LAHORE: Jamat-e-Islami Secretary General Syed Munawar Hassan has demanded that interior minister/adviser Rehman Malik should tender resignation after Marriott hotel blast adding there was no justification to stay in the office. Addressing a function here on Sunday he stated that non-Muslim forces had attacked Pakistan and the rulers had no knowledge about it.

He said it was a matter of deep concern for him that even the sensitive red zone was not safe and involvement of USA and India could not be ruled out in it. He said the role of American embassy had always been doubtful and Pakistani rulers should come out of the war of America as soon as possible in the larger national interests.
Great find, thanks for that. When the Pakistani people start questioning who's behind this attack they'll come across more evidence, just like we did with 9/11.

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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2008, 07:50:33 PM »
Why would Al-Quada bomb their own "Safe haven" ?

Why would CIA bomb Al-Queda?  ;)
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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2008, 08:12:16 PM »
Great find, thanks for that. When the Pakistani people start questioning who's behind this attack they'll come across more evidence, just like we did with 9/11.

Np..


Many city persons said that they suspected that the US was behind the attacks
.


Monday, September 22, 2008
The News special report

Karachi- Pakistan

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=137265


“America is behind the attack since it wants to invade Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan and it wants to generate reasons to invade,” said Shahid Khan Azeemi, a school teacher at Karachi Public School Korangi Campus.

Rabia Kausar, 24, a resident of Delhi Colony commented that the American government is possibly behind the attack so that it can reinforce its point that we need their support.

There were more theories on this. “It might be the reaction of government’s decision to handover an air base located in Peshawar to the US-led coalition forces or it might be the result of US attacks on Bajaur and other localities of Northern Pakistan,” Cyris, 28, resident of Sachal Goth, Gulistan-e-Jauhar said. Dr Naeem Ahmed, Assistant Professor of International Relations at Karachi University said the blast could be reaction of US’s action in Wana and the terrorists wanted to give message that they can strike anywhere. “The government is not in position to control terrorism,” he commented.

There are those who argued that the government should talk to the Taliban. Akash Ram, in his 30s, said “It is the result of military operation in Waziristan, Swat and other areas. The government should immediately stop this operation.”

When asked which group could be responsible, Iftikhar Ahmed, 32, a taxi driver and a resident of Liaquatabad said “There are so many terrorist groups operating that it is difficult to point a finger at any one. Every group has a different agenda. The government should dig deep and find out who is trying to destabilize Pakistan. It’s about time they held a thorough investigation. Mere statements that they are ‘investigating’ will not help.”

There are those who insisted in US complicity. “While locals were used in the incident but, actually it was US who trained them and also provides explosives to them,” Nasim, 33, resident of Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Block-1 said. Housewife Sidra Hassan, a resident of Guistan-e-Johar agreed with this: “It is a conspiracy of the American Government undoubtedly.

Moreover, who knows the government itself would be involved. Such a blast in a high security zone is a big deal. The government might have done this to move the attention from incidents in the North. It is a difficult question! What would one expect from Asif Ali Zardari.”

Syed Haider Naqvi, Commercial Pilot, has said that US was behind the incident due to the reason that Pakistani president in his recent speech addressed that Pakistan would not allow any foreign activities in the country. This view was also shared by senior banker Taazzum Ali, a resident of Clifton who stated “This might be an attempt to make President Zardari’s visit to USA a success by getting a soft corner against terrorism.”


English Language teacher Nida Sarfaraz, resident of SMCHS was of the view that the “ISI or CIA-led Taliban have done this."

Many insisted that it was India taking revenge on Pakistan. Abdul Ali, 75, a Raj Mistri and a resident of Zamanabad said, “Enemies of Pakistan especially the US and India are backing these terrorists.”


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Re: Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #114 on: September 21, 2008, 08:22:13 PM »
"Pakistan is an extremely dangerous and unstable country. We need to tread carefully. We need to get the Pakistanis to see this as their war. And that's going to require some major new initiatives on the American side. Commando raids and Predator strikes are not a long term solution to this problem."

Sept. 12, 2008
Bruce O. Riedel, Former high-ranking CIA , Pentagon official, CFR


http://www.cfr.org/publication/17191/riedel.html?breadcrumb=%2Fissue%2F135%2Fterrorism


Is this the "major new initiatives" he speaks of?

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Re: Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #115 on: September 21, 2008, 08:30:57 PM »
“America is behind the attack since it wants to invade Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan and it wants to generate reasons to invade,” said Shahid Khan Azeemi, a school teacher at Karachi Public School Korangi Campus.

Yep, and the pundits on corporatist media are pushing it, saying "Clearly they want to attack us here next so we need to take action against them there."

No, clearly you're an ah liar for the NWO.

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Re: Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2008, 09:51:53 PM »
“America is behind the attack since it wants to invade Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan and it wants to generate reasons to invade,” said Shahid Khan Azeemi, a school teacher at Karachi Public School Korangi Campus.

Yep, and the pundits on corporatist media are pushing it, saying "Clearly they want to attack us here next so we need to take action against them there."

No, clearly you're an ah liar for the NWO.

Notice how at first  mainstream media says "Looks like something Al-Qaeda would do" then "It has the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda," then "It was an Al-Qaeda style bombing."

Now it's "Al-Qaeda did it."


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Re: Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2008, 09:53:00 PM »

  I think the pakistani's are absolutely right.  The Bush-Cheney Regime want WWIII so bad they would do anything to start it.  They want marshall law and extended time as our leaders.
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Re: Many Pakistans suspect US behind Marriot Hotel Bombing
« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2008, 09:59:07 PM »


Rabia Kausar, 24, a resident of Delhi Colony commented that the American government is possibly behind the attack so that it can reinforce its point that we need their support.



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Re: Bombing at Hotel in Pakistan Kills at Least 40
« Reply #119 on: September 21, 2008, 10:29:42 PM »
It's funny how a truck bomb is called a terrorist act, but firing missiles from a robot plane and killing Pakistani villagers isn't.   I guess i gotta remember who the real terrorists are...