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Sometimes, I can't believe in certain faiths or religions because of what they do in the name of their god...
What god wants you to kill in his name? I have always felt that if there was a god, no matter what religion, they would just want us to love each other. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." That is how i try and live... and i think living that way, you will please "god"...
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I'm just tired of seeing that Christians are wrong, dumb, don't know anything.
I wasn't trying to belittle the religion, just merely observing that there are alot of christians posting hateful and arrogant comments on this board. If other christians would show them they are wrong and counter those posts I think alot of the non-christians on this board might have a bit more respect for their group. |
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"No", says the man in Washington, "it belongs to the poor!"
"No", says the man in the Vatican, "it belongs to God!"
"No", says the man in Moscow, "it belongs to everybody!"
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Every christian should be able to have an open honest debate without putting other people down. Just dont grooup every christian together in the same group. A lot of people use Christ's name and dont know him.
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Re: Why are so many people in the movement religious?
read the bible's prophecies and you'll find out. or a Joel Rossenburg novel if your into fiction.
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Sometimes, I can't believe in certain faiths or religions because of what they do in the name of their god...
What god wants you to kill in his name? I have always felt that if there was a god, no matter what religion, they would just want us to love each other. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." That is how i try and live... and i think living that way, you will please "god"...
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I agree with you, Jesus said the greatest commandement is to love the Lord God with all your heart and mind, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself. And that they would know us for our love for one another. Love is the answer. God doesn't say to go out and kill anyone. Those who use this for their own agenda are evil!!! |
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Anyone ever wondered why it is that Christianity is not only the most followed religion on the planet, but the most disputed? And has anyone considered why it is that none of the other major religions are treated with such disdain as Christianity? Hmm. Something to ponder.
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« Reply #86 on: July 21, 2008, 01:24:06 PM » |
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I wasn't trying to belittle the religion, just merely observing that there are alot of christians posting hateful and arrogant comments on this board. If other christians would show them they are wrong and counter those posts I think alot of the non-christians on this board might have a bit more respect for their group.
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Exactly how I feel. I believe in God, but I have many many issues with organized religion.
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The problem I see, is that many seem to not know the difference between Religion, Christianity being one of them, and those who want to follow Christ. Maybe we should call ourselves Christ followers, to differentiate from all the organized Christian churches!!
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« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2008, 01:40:30 PM » |
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Sometimes, I can't believe in certain faiths or religions because of what they do in the name of their god...
What god wants you to kill in his name? I have always felt that if there was a god, no matter what religion, they would just want us to love each other. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." That is how i try and live... and i think living that way, you will please "god"...
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The problem I see, is that many seem to not know the difference between Religion, Christianity being one of them, and those who want to follow Christ. Maybe we should call ourselves Christ followers, to differentiate from all the organized Christian churches!!
I've thought that over before.  It's really about what you do and not the name you give yourself although it is awkward describing it to others. With the shape the churches are in and where religion is heading I think it will happen sooner or later. There will be the churches and then the people outside the churches. Your body is your temple.  |
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« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2008, 01:48:43 PM » |
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I wasn't trying to belittle the religion, just merely observing that there are alot of christians posting hateful and arrogant comments on this board. If other christians would show them they are wrong and counter those posts I think alot of the non-christians on this board might have a bit more respect for their group. I see what you are saying. I'd like to also add that Christians are still people and people get worked up over things. I could tell you the same about myself. Well, if you want to be really objective, you'd observe that there has in fact been people, including myself, that have tried to counter some of the supposed Christians that post unChristian like stuff! And I'm curious, you comment about "Christians" posting "hateful and arrogant stuff', but theres no mention of all the hateful and arrogant stuff thats posted by some non-believers ridiculing Christians here! I can name 3-4 people that do just that constantly. It's no wonder that some believers get just a tad testy and fire back in unChristian-like ways. |
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Well, if you want to be really objective, you'd observe that there has in fact been people, including myself, that have tried to counter some of the supposed Christians that post unChristian like stuff! And I'm curious, you comment about "Christians" posting "hateful and arrogant stuff', but theres no mention of all the hateful and arrogant stuff thats posted by some non-believers ridiculing Christians here! I can name 3-4 people that do just that constantly. It's no wonder that some believers get just a tad testy and fire back in unChristian-like ways.
Becuase christians are supposed to be morally righteous and upstanding, thats the image they like to wear. And even if someone decides to start posting things like "jeezus sux lol" that doesn't give them the right to go "i hate them fags and pagans and strippers" in every thread. But go ahead and fight fire with fire, that will make things better. |
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Becuase christians are supposed to be morally righteous and upstanding, thats the image they like to wear. And even if someone decides to start posting things like "jeezus sux lol" that doesn't give them the right to go "i hate them fags and pagans and strippers" in every thread. But go ahead and fight fire with fire, that will make things better. Thought I'd make sure people read this post. It speaks volumes. The mentality of some people amaze me. No wonder this world is headed straight down the toilet!  |
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Perhaps you'd care to elaborate what "mentality" that is?
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« Reply #96 on: July 21, 2008, 05:12:57 PM » |
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This has kind of got off the point i was trying to make which is fine, the question is why do so many people that can see how we're being manipulated in so many ways through all these huge institutions have a blind spot when it comes to their religion, (not just christianity by the way).
People have said the Bible is the only book that's made predictions that are 100% accurate that isn't true, but have you ever thought that the Illuminati could be manipulating events to fit in with Bible prophecy with the express purpose of manipulating those Christians?
People are skeptical of the mainstream media and education system and rightly so because they are clearly used to control people from a very young age, but surely organised religion is used in exactly the same way.
The key question is does that belief stop good people from going certain places in their research because it challenges those strong beliefs? I don't know if theres an off planet element to this, but if somebodies research has led them there id like to hear that without it being edited by somebody that can't go there. There are many people in the movement that will mock and ridicule somebody that suggests there could be an off planet element to this, yet believe some pretty out there things when it comes to their religious beliefs.
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This has kind of got off the point i was trying to make which is fine, the question is why do so many people that can see how we're being manipulated in so many ways through all these huge institutions have a blind spot when it comes to their religion, (not just christianity by the way). I wonder about this myself all the time. I dont have an answer for that either but maybe its some sort of comfort, that everything will be 'ok' etc. Alot of people in here tend to believe that religiuon is the only way while they ignore, make fun and say that all non-religious people are 'bad' or whatever frankly that type of attitude scares me alot.  |
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« Reply #99 on: July 21, 2008, 09:05:59 PM » |
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I believe in the word of our savior Jesus Christ, and speak to him, and the father on a daily basis. Does that make me religious?
Maybe their concern should be over people who take the word of the Pastor alone and only respect the Church. I attend a Church, but I don't agree with all that they teach; that's my right as a man under God and a protestant. There is nothing wrong with believing in the Bible and Jesus; that is our own perogative. It is when we make it under someone else's authority and tutelage without question that we become compromised. We can certainly become manipulated by these huge institutions - even Alex knows that and has stated as much; he was the first to widely report on the paid-off preachers, remember this. I don't think people say non-religious people are 'bad'; though they sin like everyone else - after all, the saying goes "Church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints". The Bible also doesn't tell us to be religious. It tells us not to forsake the assembly, but that means 'Ecclesia' - do not forsake meeting with the family - in the same way that as Infowarriors we should not forsake our fellowship over this forum, and through Alex's work. Although I sure do feel like turning from this all when the hate breaks out on threads like this. I mean there are people who openly insult Christians, and they expect that in our humanity we're not supposed to be offended by that? We have the same flesh, blood and minds as anybody else - sure, we believe that they are transformed after death, but that doesn't mean we don't have emotions like others - Christians are people too; slightly alien but still people, and we get angry and testy when others do the same sometimes too! |
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« Reply #100 on: July 21, 2008, 09:45:08 PM » |
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Would you consider yourself religious or spiritual?
That is the root of the problem I see cropping up all over the forum.
Religions are like governments and being spiritual is like having the optimal state of liberty free from any restrictive control or thoughts. rules, etc...
This is as far as read so far will continue but this is how I see it Spiritual = is a personal belief in God and Jesus Christ our savior, we believe and have faith in the commandments, our God and Jesus. Religion = is a community thing and controlled by a central belief system, I find it to be full of hypocryts and sinners who think they can do what they want and go to church on sunday(which is the wrong day anyway) and ask for forgiveness and they go out and do it all over again. Me I'm Spiritual and to be honest I haven't been to a church since I was 7 and I'm 53, I take that back I went to a church for a bit when I was 16 but it was to chase girls, some them were the horniest I ever met. but that only lasted about 6 month. I know I am going to burn in hell. The reason I think we are drawn to the movement is we are also truth seekers |
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« Reply #101 on: July 22, 2008, 05:40:50 AM » |
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This has kind of got off the point i was trying to make which is fine, the question is why do so many people that can see how we're being manipulated in so many ways through all these huge institutions have a blind spot when it comes to their religion, (not just christianity by the way).
People have said the Bible is the only book that's made predictions that are 100% accurate that isn't true, but have you ever thought that the Illuminati could be manipulating events to fit in with Bible prophecy with the express purpose of manipulating those Christians?
People are skeptical of the mainstream media and education system and rightly so because they are clearly used to control people from a very young age, but surely organised religion is used in exactly the same way.
The key question is does that belief stop good people from going certain places in their research because it challenges those strong beliefs? I don't know if theres an off planet element to this, but if somebodies research has led them there id like to hear that without it being edited by somebody that can't go there. There are many people in the movement that will mock and ridicule somebody that suggests there could be an off planet element to this, yet believe some pretty out there things when it comes to their religious beliefs.
I don't know what you consider that is not accurate, but if you don't believe to begin with, I guess you would think that. As for your question as to Illuminati making the prediction coming through, well the Bible goes like this. God seen what was to happen, and told us through His books of the Bible. But I also believe that they are going to try to make everyone believe that Jesus, or Mahdi or whoever people believe the savior is, has returned. This is the one that Christians call the Antichrist. For awhile in the news Bush and everyone was referrring to the war with Iran as Armageddon. If they get to make people believe that the next war is Armageddon, well everyone knows what's suppose to happen during this war. Jesus is to return, and the Muslim Mahdi is also supposed to come up out of his pit (well) . So they will place a figure to deceive people. But God has told us that this guy won't be Him. So not to believe it when it happens. Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation!! |
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« Reply #102 on: July 22, 2008, 06:21:25 AM » |
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"Why are so many people in the movement religious?"
Actually IMHO the "Religious" ones are Johny come latelys, they were busy helping Bush get elected so as to thwart the gay/lesbian agenda, just like Rove planned, they are too easily suckered into the division tools of the elite, divide and conquer!
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"Why are so many people in the movement religious?"
Actually IMHO the "Religious" ones are Johny come latelys, they were busy helping Bush get elected so as to thwart the gay/lesbian agenda, just like Rove planned, they are too easily suckered into the division tools of the elite, divide and conquer!
you need to pick a fight, you can't fight the gay/lesbian fight at the same time you are fighting NWO. you will offend people like you just did. Pick a side Son/Lady whatever. Most of us here right now have way to many other things on our mind to bother with rather someone is gay or straight, it is actually the last thing on our minds. Good luck with your fight but choose. |
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you need to pick a fight, you can't fight the gay/lesbian fight at the same time you are fighting NWO. you will offend people like you just did. Pick a side Son/Lady whatever. Most of us here right now have way to many other things on our mind to bother with rather someone is gay or straight, it is actually the last thing on our minds. Good luck with your fight but choose.
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I know it just seemed to me he was trying to fight 2 fights at the same time. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic I was actually trying to just help. If it came across wrong I apologize. I know I am no one to give advise but just feel we need to win our country back so we can fight about the Gay/Lesbian thing then, if we loose we won't be able to even talk about it any more. I am also not voicing any opinion on it in this post so don't go there.
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Sometimes, I can't believe in certain faiths or religions because of what they do in the name of their god...
What god wants you to kill in his name? I have always felt that if there was a god, no matter what religion, they would just want us to love each other. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." That is how i try and live... and i think living that way, you will please "god"...
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I think its quite clear, God/Yalweh wants us to destory this evil......our oppressors, who worship satan.
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Well lets get this show going then the sooner we start the sooner the calvary comes.
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Well lets get this show going then the sooner we start the sooner the calvary comes.
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Faith is for the slaves and dumb dogs, mankind has his power and it is his advanced mind/logic/intuition.
What kind of astral projection do you do, dreams or while awake? Also what practices did it take for you achieve that?
Sorry for the inceredibly late reply. Well I'd like to think there's only one kind. I learned through visualization and meditation. I can even do it while dreaming however while you dream you have to actually realize you're dreaming. This is difficult because there are sometimes where you can realize you're dreaming but you do not actually 'wake up' into the projection. While meditating you should try energy raising techniques because poor diet, exercise, drug use, etc can really hinder this whole ability. I'd suggest reading Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics". It gives an in-depth and scientific look into the sensations, beings, and all of the fun other stuff you will experience. I began doing it when I was 22 and the first conscious seperation I met a young girl who was sitting on my bed. There's a whole story to go along but I'll just move along to everyone else that I've met. Some beings are shadows, some are light, and some just look human or even animal. This is all through experience. There was one time however where I split into another dimension where there were shapes and some form of life I couldn't recognize. They kind of looked like the wraiths written about in Irish(?) folklore. Anyway, I don't want to scare you into not learning it but you will find certain entities that will be out to get you. So the great thing about projection is that you can pretty much do anything. My common defense is a series of spheres made out of energy..I guess...which I throw towards people. One thing you'll find really fun is flying. You can go anywhere although it seems you can't go places you cannot find normally..if that makes any sense. Man, so much you can do. I stopped doing it because eventually it got to the point where I wasn't able to sleep. I'd end up popping out of my body and there'd be people standing all around my bed. Like I said, some shadows, some people, some people who faded in and out, animals...wierd...wierd animals mind you, and a load of other things, even what looked like aliens. I knew with these fellas though that they were aliens because we could actually have a conversation. This was another time in my life where I'd have alot of UFO experiences. Well that's enough for now. Don't want to hijack the thread n stuff.. |
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