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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2008, 11:04:02 AM »

First hour of Coast To Coast Am on 13th October

Derivatives

First hour guest Richard Dooling talked about computer generated financial instruments and how they fueled the market meltdown. He lamented that the use of complex algorithms, called derivatives, by Wall Street has resulted in a situation where "we take something simple like human greed and we use computers to multiply it exponentially."

http://rapidshare.de/files/40678638/Coast_Oct_13_2008.rar.html
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« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2008, 01:19:42 PM »

http://seekingalpha.com/article/99674-coming-soon-the-600-trillion-derivatives-emergency-meeting?source=emai

Coming Soon: The 600 Trillion Derivatives Emergency Meeting
by: The Prudent Investor October 13, 2008   

Here is an update on the size of the derivatives market with the latest official figures (.pdf) from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Hold your breath, as we are not anymore talking paltry billions but TRILLIONS of whichever fiat currency.

Current emergency meetings on banks and markets are still only in the stage where politicians and central bankers are bickering over how to create a few more hundred billions Euros and FRNs. But toxic MBS pale in comparison to the mushrooming growth of the derivatives market. According to figures released in the quarterly review of the BIS (pp A103) in September the total notional amount of outstanding derivatives in all categories rose 15% to a mindboggling $596 TRILLION as of December 2007.

Two thirds of contracts by volume or $393 TRILLION fell into the category of interest rate derivatives. Credit Default Swaps had a notional volume of $58 TRILLION, seeing the sharpest relative increase after a volume of $43 TRILLION a year earlier.

Currency derivatives reached a volume of $56 TRILLION.

Oh, and every grand balance sheet comes with a trash can. Unallocated derivatives with a notional amount of $71 TRILLION are looming over the heads of the disintegrating investment community too.
However You Look At It, This Is an Accident Waiting To Happen

Don't lose your sleep because of these numbers that KO my desktop calculator. In an ideal world - in which we are not - long and short derivatives would net out each other, leaving only a fraction of risk. The BIS tries to assess this net risk with a total of $14.5 TRILLION (2006: 11.1 TRILLION) in gross market value for all contracts but comes up with a second figure.

The so called Gross Credit Exposure appears almost moderate at $3.256 TRILLION after $2.672 TRILLION a year earlier.

Even when taking the lowest of these figures shudders run down my spine. All emergency talks have so far focused on a few hundred billions in fiat currencies, but the current nervousness demonstrated by hectic talks of finance ministers and central bankers all over the globe should give everybody a vague idea that something here may blow up any day. This pool of so far silent derivatives without a major bust can come to life any day with the failure of a multinational financial firm.

The BIS review is a good way to grasp the dimensions long term monetary expansion has brought upon us. A net risk of $14 TRILLION compares with the annual GDP of the USA. Nobody, absolutely nobody can afford this tab in the case of an unorderly unwinding of this market that is roughly 12 times the size of the global economy. I conclude a lot more paper promises will be burnt in the coming derivatives tsunami. As a reminder, most of these contracts have been moved off balance sheets into under capitalized subsidiaries that profited from the good rating of the parent company. But in case of a default it is this nasty, nasty huge notional amount that becomes a liability.

As the vast majority of these contracts have no market, failure will come in the form of counterparty risk. This makes all the current emergency meeting a bit more understandable if politicians are already aware of the biggest bubble that may find no other way of deflation than a sudden burst. I base my sense of urgency on the rapid growth of the net risk in only one year, rising a stunning 30% at a time when the first signs of the credit crunch appeared.

German chancellor Angela Merkel said ahead of an emergency meeting with French president Nicolas Sarkozy in a TV interview that she would present a rescue package for German banks on Monday. This is also expected from several other European countries. Italian president Silvio Berlusconi went so far as to suggest a concerted stock exchange holiday. It would fit the other crooked nails in the coffin of free markets.



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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2009, 03:33:08 PM »

More on Derivatives:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=5322
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2009, 07:41:23 AM »

Credit Default Swaps – Through The Looking Glass

by Satyajit Das

Global Research, April 13, 2009
Satyajit Das Blog

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13157



CDS contracts and credit derivatives are complex and powerful financial instruments that frequently have unforeseen consequences for market participants and the financial system. As former New York Federal Reserve President Gerald Corrigan told policy-makers and financiers on 16 May, 2007: “Anyone who thinks they understand this stuff is living in lala land.”

Financial innovation can offer economic benefits. A number of major benefits of CDS contracts are often cited by academic acolytes and fans, generally those promoting the product.

The first is that CDS contracts help complete markets, enhancing investment and borrowing opportunities, reducing transaction costs and allowing risk transfer. CDS contracts, where used for hedging, offers these advantages. Where not used for hedging it is not clear how this assists in capital formation and enhancing efficiency of markets.

CDS contracts also, it is claimed, improve market liquidity. It is generally assumed that speculative interest assists in enhancing liquidity and lowers trading costs. Where the liquidity comes from leveraged investors, the additional systemic risk from the activity of these entities has to be balanced against potential benefits. The current financial crisis highlights these tradeoffs.

CDS contracts also, it is claimed, improve the efficiency of credit pricing. It is not clear whether this is actually the case in practice.

Pricing of CDS contracts frequently does not accord with reasonable expected risk of default. The CDS prices, in practice, incorporate substantial liquidity premia, compensation for volatility of credit spreads and other factors.

CDS pricing also frequently does not align with pricing of other traded credit instruments such as bonds or loans. For example, the existence of the “negative basis trade” is predicated on pricing inefficiency.

In a negative basis transaction commonly undertaken by investors including insurance companies, the investor purchases a bond issued by the reference entity and hedges the credit risk by buying protection on the issuer using a CDS contract. The transaction is designed to lock in a positive margin between the earnings on the bond and CDS fees. Negative basis trades exploit market inefficiencies in the pricing of credit risk between bond and CDS markets.

In early 2009, the pricing of corporate bonds and CDS on the issuer diverged significantly. For example, the CDS fees for National Grid, a UK utility, were around 2.00% pa (200 basis points) compared to National Grid’s credit spread to government of around 3.30% (330 basis points). Similarly, Tesco, the UK retailer was exhibited CDS fees of around 1.40% (140 basis points) against a credit spread to government of around 2.50% (250 basis points).

In effect, market pricing of credit risk as between the CDS market and the bond and loan market was significantly different.

Another area of pricing discrepancy is the relative pricing of different firms. For example, in early 2009, bonds issued by borrowers rated “A” were trading at a higher credit spread than bonds of borrowers rated lower (say “B”) in the bond market. At the same times, CDS fees for borrowers rated “A” were trading at a lower level than CDS fees of borrowers rated lower (say “B”) in the credit derivatives market.

There are also notable discrepancies in the pricing of corporate credit risk relative to their sovereigns. In early 2009, Cadbury, the UK confectionery firm, was trading for 10 years substantially below the CDS fee of the UK government but Cadbury bonds were trading at a spread of around 2.00% (200 basis points) above UK government bonds. As people on one side of the Atlantic Ocean might remark: “Go figure!”

CDS contracts also are supposed to enhance information efficiency, improving availability of market prices for credit risk allowing more informed decisions by market participants. As CDS contracts are traded in the private OTC derivative markets, there is limited dissemination of market prices. This limits price discovery and therefore any informational benefits.

In reality, pricing and trading information is only available readily to large active dealers in CDS contracts. This informational asymmetry may advantage these dealers. Knowledge about trading flows in CDS contracts may allow these dealers to earn economic profits.

Benefits of CDS contracts must be balanced against any additional risks to the financial system from trading in these instruments. CDS contracts may create additional risks within the financial system. While CDS contracts did not cause the current financial crisis (excessive reliance of debt did), they may have exacerbated the problems and complicated the process of dealing with the issues.

The CDS market originally was predominantly a market for transferring and hedging credit risk. The contract itself has many attractive economic features and can serve useful purposes in hedging and transferring risk. Even this hedging application is dogged by some of the identified documentary issues that may reduce the effectiveness of CDS contracts as a hedge. Such problems may well be fundamental to the nature of the instrument and incapable of remedy, at least easily.

In recent years, the ability to trade credit, create different types of credit risk to trade, the ability to short credit and also take highly leveraged credit bets has become increasingly important. To some extent the CDS market has detached from the underlying “real” credit market. If defaults rise then the high leverage, inherent complexity and potential loss of liquidity of CDS contracts and structures based on them may cause problems.

The International Swaps and Derivatives Association (“ISDA”), the derivatives industry group, have recently implemented initiatives to “hard wire” the auction based protocols into the standard CDS documentation. They have also initiated changes in market practices, such as fixed coupons for CDS contracts, designed to facilitate trading in these instruments. These actions increasingly focus on CDS contracts as an instrument for trading on default risk and credit spreads rather than one whose primary objective is the hedging of credit risk. The latter would emphasis less standardisation and a greater focus on matching the nature of underlying bond or loan being hedged.

The excesses of the CDS market are evident in the recent interest in contracts protecting against the default of a sovereign (known as sovereign CDS). For example, the CDS market for sovereign debt is increasingly pricing in increased funding costs for the US. The fee for hedging against losses on $10 million of Treasuries currently peaked at about 1.00% pa for 10 years (equivalent to $100,000 annually). This is an increase from 0.01% pa ($1,000) in 2007.

The specter of banks, some of whom have needed capital injections and liquidity support from governments to ensure their own survival, offering to insure other market participants against the risk of default of sovereign government (sometimes their own) is surreal.

The unpalatable reality that very few, self interested industry participants are prepared to admit is that much of what passed for financial innovation was specifically designed to conceal risk, obfuscate investors and reduce transparency. The process was entirely deliberate. Efficiency and transparency are not consistent with the high profit margins that are much sought after on Wall Street. Financial products need to be opaque and priced inefficiently to produce excessive profits or economic rents.

In October 2008, Alan Greenspan, the former Chairman of the Fed, acknowledged he was “partially” wrong to oppose regulation of CDS. “Credit default swaps, I think, have serious problems associated with them,” he admitted to a Congressional hearing. This from the man who on 30 July 1998, stated that: “Regulation of derivatives transactions that are privately negotiated by professionals is unnecessary.”

On 6 March 2009 Bloomberg reported that Myron Scholes, the Nobel prize winning co-creator of the eponymous Black-Scholes-Merton option pricing model, observed that the derivative markets have stopped functioning and are creating problems in resolving the global financial crisis. Scholes was quoted as saying that: “ [The] solution is really to blow up or burn the OTC market, the CDSs and swaps and structured products, and … start over…” ISDA, the beleaguered derivatives industry group, predictably countered limply that: “… the notion that you would, as he said, blow up, the business in that way is just misguided.”

Satyajit Das is a risk consultant and author of Traders, Guns & Money: Knowns and Unknowns in the Dazzling World of Derivatives (2006, FT-Prentice Hall).
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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2009, 02:05:51 AM »

This is my basic understanding.  Correct me if I'm wrong...

Derivatives = betting that the price of a certain commodity will increase (this is called "hedging your bet").  Hedge funds = derivatives.
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« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2009, 12:06:04 AM »

Here's another really good article explaining Derivatives...

IT’S THE DERIVATIVES, STUPID!
WHY FANNIE, FREDDIE AND AIG ALL HAD TO BE BAILED OUT

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/its_the_derivatives.php

thankyou for this link! the main blog is incredible as well:
http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2010, 01:13:36 PM »

I keep hearing Alex, Ron Paul and others talk about how the real problem is the pyramid of derivatives.

What are they talking about?

There's this article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10265

But I'm hoping our forum includes some market experts who can explain this for the rest of us in simple terms.

Please don't just link to complex articles or impress us with terminology ...

I'm looking for the "Derivatives for Dummies" version.   Smiley

Many thanks to who ever takes up this challenge.



This blog does a good job of explaining derivatives:

http://modern-economic-crisis.blogspot.com/]Modern Economic Crisis

This blog covers a wide variety of financial topics, but does spend some time talking about derivatives (CDO's and Credit Default Swaps specifically)
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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2010, 01:19:53 PM »

Mandatory reading:

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom/

Here's the money quote:

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That’s when Eisman finally got it. Here he’d been making these side bets with Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank on the fate of the BBB tranche without fully understanding why those firms were so eager to make the bets. Now he saw. There weren’t enough Americans with shitty credit taking out loans to satisfy investors’ appetite for the end product. The firms used Eisman’s bet to synthesize more of them. Here, then, was the difference between fantasy finance and fantasy football: When a fantasy player drafts Peyton Manning, he doesn’t create a second Peyton Manning to inflate the league’s stats. But when Eisman bought a credit-default swap, he enabled Deutsche Bank to create another bond identical in every respect but one to the original. The only difference was that there was no actual homebuyer or borrower. The only assets backing the bonds were the side bets Eisman and others made with firms like Goldman Sachs. Eisman, in effect, was paying to Goldman the interest on a subprime mortgage. In fact, there was no mortgage at all. “They weren’t satisfied getting lots of unqualified borrowers to borrow money to buy a house they couldn’t afford,” Eisman says. “They were creating them out of whole cloth. One hundred times over! That’s why the losses are so much greater than the loans. But that’s when I realized they needed us to keep the machine running. I was like, This is allowed?”

This particular dinner was hosted by Deutsche Bank, whose head trader, Greg Lippman, was the fellow who had introduced Eisman to the subprime bond market. Eisman went and found Lippman, pointed back to his own dinner companion, and said, “I want to short him.” Lippman thought he was joking; he wasn’t. “Greg, I want to short his paper,” Eisman repeated. “Sight unseen.”
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2010, 05:34:18 PM »

Bottom line, as of 2007/2008(?) there were already over 600 trillion in derivatives contracts out there.  Nearly half of the counterparties were American banks, and again nearly half by London/other European banks.  Somewhere between twenty and, perhaps, twenty-five banks are counterparty to 90-95% of these derivatives, and many have subsidiaries in both America and Europe.  Representatives of these banks meet often -- there was recently a big conference in Australia and a similar meeting in the United States a while back.  Many of these derivatives contracts are OTC (over-the-counter) and there is practically no system for public accounting of them.  Private banks may be able to go without reporting such assets at all, if not in America, at least in Europe.

So it is fair to say that a cartel of "offshore" or, more correctly, multi-national banks own the vast majority of the world's wealth which is tied up in these exotic instruments.

Since the world GDP was only 63 trillion in 2007, of course, they can't simply cash out or dump these dubious assets.  The whole world is sort of in bankruptcy as it were, liquidation, insolvency.  So these creditors are often willing to accept pennies on the dollar because they created the dollars they used to secure these contracts out of thin air anyway.  That's why they show such paltry earnings on this great wealth.  Thay cannot do otherwise.  Occasionally, as in the financial crisis, the value of these derivatives crashes anyways.  Get ready for the big one.
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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2010, 07:16:43 AM »

Guys stop flaming...

If you want to understand what a Derivative is you have to go to the source.

http://cboe.com/LearnCenter/default.aspx

The CBOE is a great place to start.


This is the simplest explanation that I know of.

A well-regulated "free market" is like an economy running on a bunch of local kitchen poker games. The players gamble on the local commodity market at hand (deals off the card deck) with each other, mutually,  solely for their own assets which are either already at the table, or can be brought there by them. In essence they are playing a game for either a share of or all of each other's wealth alone. The owner of the kitchen may charge a fee for food table and drinks. Regular local players who know one another generally don't borrow to participate in this risky sport. Bluffing is part of the game but cheating is dealt with on the spot.

A mercantile monopolist "monetized central bank market" is like a bunch of players playing 21 at a number of tables in a huge casino. Although they may compete with one another, the players are all gambling solely with the bank. Players will frequently borrow under the delusion that luck is going their way. The banking house sets the price of the "chips", the buy-in values of tables and the payout value of the game's awards, earning for itself alone all players losses.  In addition the banking house rigs the odds of the game itself by adding more card decks to "the deck" thus ensuring for itself the lowest likelihood that any player can ever develop or discern a reliable strategy to ever win big at any table.

A mercantile monopolist "monetized central bank derivatives market" is like a bunch of players playing a chip-staked "Bridge Tournament" for money at a number of tables in a huge casino. Partnered winning-handed-bid-pairs of players gamble with their respective losing-handed-bid-pairs at each table off of which each game the banking house takes a "spread"-cut. Spreads are  like the casino charging a high percentage to host a poker game played with their chips. Expert player partners with advanced expertise, preplanned skills, experiance and tricks always outbid all others and win at Bridge
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« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2010, 07:55:45 AM »

The #1 recreational game of Bankers and Actuaries is the game of Bridge. Derivatives casino games are designed and structured exactly like a for profit wide-array of Casino Bridge Tournaments based upon all the profitability's of every possible type and variety of risk-player-commodity.

The main commodities the casino banking-houses rig using the games themselves (by outright "signal" cheating among one-another) are precious ones like gold, oil, silver etc. This is of course is designed and intended to support the value of their worthless fiat mercantile-monopolist "casino chips".
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« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »

Apt analogy.
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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2010, 01:37:15 PM »

So it has nothing to do with calculus  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

y = x^5

y' = 5x^4

y'' = 20x^3

y''' = 60x^2

y'''' = 120x
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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2010, 03:14:02 PM »

Oh, there's calculus involved, but the simple explanantion doesn't require it really.  Basically, a two-sided bet on whether an index or commodity or issue or interest rate or whatever goes up or down.

Two sides are called "counter=parties".  Market-makers, like Goldman Sachs set up the bet between the two parties.  They are the house, and make a cut.

That is the simple explanation.
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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2010, 01:00:34 PM »

Financial Derivatives: What are They? - Housing Bubble Collapse - Unregulated Insurance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r66MMYyz9VI
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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2010, 01:42:59 PM »

Thanks, much easier to understand than fractional reserve banking.

To think we are bailing out AIG and Goldman-Sachs so they can pay off their gambling debts.

Unreal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2010, 02:29:06 PM »

You've got it.  Exactly.
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