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If that is a vertical steel column, then the properties of of that steel were changed, right? My understanding of Stephen Jones' thermite/thermate research is that that cuts the steel, so unless this video is a fake, there's something else at play here, in addition to the cutting charges. Why isn't the FBI looking into this, or NIST? Ha ha.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 06:40:51 PM » |
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I thought it asked some interesting questions and made some interesting connections. I just removed my post, because the link appears to be broken, along with every other one I've tried. I've been unable to find it anywhere on the net, although I have it on my hard drive. OK... Here's one that works: Who Killed John O'Neill? |
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 06:52:24 PM » |
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Yeah been thinking for awhile now that maybe NIST doesnt come clean on WTF happened on 9/11 is because they cant explain it. Maybe they are looking at the result of a technology they cant explain.
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Yeah been thinking for awhile now that maybe NIST doesnt come clean on WTF happened on 9/11 is because they cant explain it. Maybe they are looking at the result of a technology they cant explain.
But what about this clip? Is it just old and already debated to death, am I seeing things - or is it a fake? Just look at it. The thing hangs then crumbles into dust. Something did something to turn that steel into dust, no? Oh, yeah, and the people don't care. Forgot about that part. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 07:02:45 PM » |
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Yeah been thinking for awhile now that maybe NIST doesnt come clean on WTF happened on 9/11 is because they cant explain it. They know perfectly well what happened, and they also know that they had better not say so. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 01:02:36 AM » |
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The spire fell and dust came off it. It did NOT disintegrate. Watch it and you can see the spire falling leaving behind dust.
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But what about this clip? Is it just old and already debated to death, am I seeing things - or is it a fake? Just look at it. The thing hangs then crumbles into dust. Something did something to turn that steel into dust, no?
Oh, yeah, and the people don't care. Forgot about that part.
Some people are comfortable with the OGCT, others with some kind of conventional CD but some people look at elements of the destruction of these buildings like the spire disintegrating and can see that something highly unusual happened. For different versions of the spire collapse check out Plague Puppy's (Jeff King, MIT) video archive: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/I've probably watched this clip a least a hundred times and the so-called spire is disintegrating, not shrugging off a thick dark jacket of dust and falling but dis-integrating. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 11:06:14 AM » |
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The spire fell and dust came off it. It did NOT disintegrate. Watch it and you can see the spire falling leaving behind dust. well thats the general answer people give but it dont look like that to me...how does a steel beam fall straight down? |
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 04:20:49 AM » |
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well thats the general answer people give but it dont look like that to me...how does a steel beam fall straight down?
The same way the rest of the tower did, through controlled demolitions. The spire did not disintegrate, go through it frame by frame and you can see it fall. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 10:52:59 AM » |
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The same way the rest of the tower did, through controlled demolitions. The spire did not disintegrate, go through it frame by frame and you can see it fall. i cant say for sure what i see, but it looks like the steel surely did not hold its form or it would not have fallen straight down. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 11:02:48 AM » |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vt5GcvaJW8&NR=1If you watch this NBC clip notice that all of the upright columns, including the spire, suddenly wave violently around before slipping down. From this view it looks like the spire slips almost straight down...like the base disappeared.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 11:31:30 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2008, 01:41:59 PM » |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vt5GcvaJW8&NR=1If you watch this NBC clip notice that all of the upright columns, including the spire, suddenly wave violently around before slipping down. From this view it looks like the spire slips almost straight down...like the base disappeared. Amazing... and as it slips down, the top section just turns to dust. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2008, 02:06:08 PM » |
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Amazing... and as it slips down, the top section just turns to dust.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2008, 08:03:24 PM » |
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Also, notice how when the main mass of the building first falls, the columns remain. It appears as though they/it were strong enough to withstand the "pancaking", and then a second or two later... poof.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 11:06:42 PM » |
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I think the top section of the core was removed through demolition to initiate the collapse. The lower half of the core remained standing until after the collapse.... Probably to help the floors crumble quicker and easier...
So the interior core was destroyed in a typical CD fashion, starting at the bottom of the section they want to remove
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2010, 06:52:47 AM » |
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Amazing... and as it slips down, the top section just turns to dust.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2010, 09:20:01 AM » |
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well thats the general answer people give but it dont look like that to me...how does a steel beam fall straight down?
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2010, 05:41:32 PM » |
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have you ever seen how thermite works?
Yes and maybe that is what we see here. I dont see a thermite reaction but possibly the aftereffects of super thermite reaction.  |
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2010, 06:15:00 PM » |
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It is odd that the portion of supporting external wall that was left standing did not fall forward or backwards. It just went straight down. There would have been many hundreds of tonnes of rubble below that "spire" and you would think that it would have been knocked over instead of straight down.
To fall straight down like that you would need one or both of two situations.
1. The metal was being removed below as fast as it fell.
2. The metal would need to fall into a hole or cavity below.
It seems consistent with ALL the planned demolitions that day. Everything fell straight down into it's own footprint.
Thought: The fact that it continued to stand upright after everything else had fallen appears to be a testament to how well built the WTC towers were and how sturdy the supporting exterior walls were.
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 06:16:51 PM » |
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6 out of 7 buildings collapsed into their footprint.
The one that didn't collapse heavily burned,(wtc 5)
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have you ever seen how thermite works?
Silverstien leased the property about a year before the demolition. Marvin Bush was named as head of Tower Security. For months there was construction going on, at least that was the cover story. Palate after palate of bags, literally tons and tons of what was marked as cement, concrete, etc., was being received at the loading docks along with other construction related materials. The wiring of the "new" cable system was on going during that time the entire system within each building was being "upgraded" and was only days from completion when the towers fell... What was really going on The Core and Support columns were drilled, filled, and wired... the bags were Thermite, Nano-Thermite and Thermate for the super hardened steel connecting joints. Floor support beams were sprayed with "new insulation" containing thermite. The lower 34 floors or so were supported by the thickest columns which required the longest time for the Thermite to vaporize the steel... and then they disappear in a puff, (albeit a big column long puff) of smoke. Oldyoti "It is natural for men, who wish to hasten the adoption of a measure,
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2011, 12:18:51 PM » |
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that big exploding pic should be a poster campaign
underneath it should say "do you still believe fire did this"
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2011, 06:56:25 PM » |
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It's still jaw-dropping 10-years later.
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2011, 01:45:03 AM » |
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what could cause steel to disintergrate
im still waiting for an answer
i cant believe nobody in the world can answer that question
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2011, 09:55:45 AM » |
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what could cause steel to disintergrate
im still waiting for an answer
i cant believe nobody in the world can answer that question
Well just thermite doesn't make dust like that from I've seen. There is the "DEW" and "mini" nuke theory. If this device is real, apparently it is designed to vaporize steel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upk767RMYsMSounds like a thermobaric device that uses a thermite like substance. |
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2011, 07:43:59 PM » |
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what could cause steel to disintergrate
im still waiting for an answer
i cant believe nobody in the world can answer that question
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2011, 10:28:04 PM » |
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The amount of nano thermite and thermate residue in the dust recovered from the site indicates that All 47 core columns and many of the external columns were completely filled with the stuff... that last column which was the last one to light off, obviously, is slowly being burned through along it's full length... it is completely burned through and poof its over... thermite doesn't explode actually it is a fast acting corrosive that literally burns the steel to nothing leaving only tell-taile particles dust...
Nukes do bad-ass-radiation and make big explosions boy's. Even a whole bunch of little ones equals one big one... Radiation levels were not elevated, and you can't hide that stuff... ask the Japanese... Read my last post...
At the hands of the establishment, Physicist Dr. Steven Jones took it in the shorts proving the absolute validity of the Thermite fact right down to the last pound from the evidence recovered from the site. He did it WITH REAL SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY AND EXPERIMENTAL SUBSTANTIATION...
yet because you won't take the time to understand his work, you all are gonna help the globalists diss him, in the eyes of the untutored who pop in here with particle beam weapons bullshit... (Oh, look, your thread title has two meanings)... and mini nukes?! There is not a shred of evidence not even a drop of proof for this, only conjecture and, "uh, well, it's possible, uh, I, uh this guy on another site was talkin' 'bout it, man." sty-ill-ogic... Snap out of it guys, find some REAL proof.
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Well just thermite doesn't make dust like that from I've seen. There is the "DEW" and "mini" nuke theory. If this device is real, apparently it is designed to vaporize steel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upk767RMYsMSounds like a thermobaric device that uses a thermite like substance. thankyou i listened to it not convinced |
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2011, 08:31:27 AM » |
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2011, 08:36:38 AM » |
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 look how tilted the top is, and how far up it is it is clear the steel core columns were not intact, the building was supported by perimeter walls but how could the top of this building be causing uniform blow out lower down |
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