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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2008, 10:45:18 AM »

Hilarious way for this thread to start out... too much!   Grin

Anyway, as I've said in another thread, the best we can hope for in the coming election is the status quo.  A minority Conservative Government & maybe a couple of "fringe party" MPs to spice up Parliament.  But gridlock in Parliament is working fine for now... it's the only way to keep them under control.

Those who expect 9/11 truth to come out of some other country than the US are dreaming.  Only the country where the event happened will have any hope of exposing a false flag... especially events like 9/11 or 7/7.   Harper himself could come out and say he believes 9/11 was an inside job and most Americans would react with disgust and call for boycotting Canadian goods or something.  Don't forget 9/11 happened while Chretien was Prime Minister & Harper didn't become a real player until 2002.  The right wing parties were in turmoil for years until finally coming back together in 2004.  If there are any two people in Canada who could answer 9/11 questions, they'd be Chretien and Paul Martin and there's no way they'll be touched.

NAU questions will need to be asked though.  So when Harper, Layton & Dion are on call in shows (especially when they do Cross Country Checkup) we need to get on the phone and make sure NAU questions are asked.  Yes, Americans, believe it or not our politicians will actually go on live unfiltered call in shows.  Also when your local MP and their rivals are sitting at your table asking for your vote (invite them in... don't just talk at the door), talk to them about the NAU... ask them about Bilderberger... Police state issues etc... and send them off with your preferred pile of truth DVDs.  They'll take them.  Keep an eye on how your MP votes too & call them... email them... & bug them in person when they're back home from Ottawa.  We have a great deal of access to our MPs but most people don't use it or even talk to them.  & don't forget, the PM can't do much without the MPs votes.

Oh yeah... don't start out referring to the NAU (they'll try and say it's just conspiracy bs)... call it the SPP & then talk about how it's really the NAU.  Remember that both the Cons & Libs have supported it too.
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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2008, 01:41:50 PM »

I have to agree with RickT, minority government is in the best interest of all Canadians. It would not be good for any one party to have to much power these days. I was going to try and write a simple overview of politics in Canada but gave up, it is just to complicated and beyond my ability. I did find it interesting that the Green Party has between 7 and 10% of the public support now, but won't be allowed in the debates.
 
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Canada's Green Party excluded from election debates

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OTTAWA (AFP) — Green Party leader Elizabeth May, excluded from televised debates with the leaders of Canada's four main political parties, on Monday threatened a lawsuit to force organizers to include her.

The Canadian network consortium that will broadcast the debates ahead of an October 14 general election said in a statement it had asked all the parties if May could be included in the leaders' debates, set for October 1 and 2.

"However, three parties opposed (her) inclusion and it became clear that if the Green Party were included, there would be no leaders' debates."

The consortium thus decided it was better to hold the debates with only the four major party leaders, "rather than not at all."

"I think it really is appalling that the media consortium is willing at this point to rewrite the rules on what parties are allowed in the leaders' debates," May responded angrily.

She noted the relatively new Green Party has candidates across Canada, although only one previously sitting MP -- a former Independent who announced last week that he would join the Green Party.

The latest polls put the Greens, with between seven and 10 percent public support, in fifth place.



With 5 parties it going to be hard for anyone to get a majority with all the regional interests.
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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2008, 02:14:25 PM »

I have to agree with RickT, minority government is in the best interest of all Canadians. It would not be good for any one party to have to much power these days. I was going to try and write a simple overview of politics in Canada but gave up, it is just to complicated and beyond my ability. I did find it interesting that the Green Party has between 7 and 10% of the public support now, but won't be allowed in the debates.
 
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Canada's Green Party excluded from election debates

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OTTAWA (AFP) — Green Party leader Elizabeth May, excluded from televised debates with the leaders of Canada's four main political parties, on Monday threatened a lawsuit to force organizers to include her.

The Canadian network consortium that will broadcast the debates ahead of an October 14 general election said in a statement it had asked all the parties if May could be included in the leaders' debates, set for October 1 and 2.

"However, three parties opposed (her) inclusion and it became clear that if the Green Party were included, there would be no leaders' debates."

The consortium thus decided it was better to hold the debates with only the four major party leaders, "rather than not at all."

"I think it really is appalling that the media consortium is willing at this point to rewrite the rules on what parties are allowed in the leaders' debates," May responded angrily.

She noted the relatively new Green Party has candidates across Canada, although only one previously sitting MP -- a former Independent who announced last week that he would join the Green Party.

The latest polls put the Greens, with between seven and 10 percent public support, in fifth place.



With 5 parties it going to be hard for anyone to get a majority with all the regional interests.

It's one big club so whether it's a minority or majority doesn't matter. That debate is just a way to keep people distracted from the real stuff like "what is the legitimate role for government in a supposedly free society?" And to illustrate the point, what's the difference between Harper's current minority government versus Mulroney's majority, or Chretien's and Martin's? Canada's intrusive state has grown by leaps and bounds ever since 1867.
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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2008, 03:15:30 PM »

It's one big club so whether it's a minority or majority doesn't matter.

The article shows the powers want it to be one big club, no newcomers to rock the boat. I would be happy if there was 20 parties, makes it much more difficult for back room deals.
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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2008, 03:27:05 PM »

The article shows the powers want it to be one big club, no newcomers to rock the boat. I would be happy if there was 20 parties, makes it much more difficult for back room deals.

I agree, but like so many peace, 9/11 and anti NWO groups, they're bang on at seeing the truth but they don't get the fact that the 'culture of socialism' is the infrastructure that enables the mass control and corruption. All of us should personally take back 90% of the responsibilities that have been handed over to the machine. We need a culture of freedom with no government involvement in health care, housing, income (welfare/unemployment insurance/social security), libraries, energy, etc., etc. It's a radical change from what we have today - all over the world - but the idea has been studied and analyzed to death and the theory is that all of the short comings will be addressed by private charitable and voluntary actions. Ron Paul says it himself: "Freedom Works!"

One of my personal favourites: http://www.theadvocates.org/library/gentle-hand.html

The BIG bonus, of course, is that people will again learn to think for themselves and make more responsible decisions.

Sorry for the rant!
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« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2008, 03:42:25 PM »

And to illustrate the point, what's the difference between Harper's current minority government versus Mulroney's majority, or Chretien's and Martin's? Canada's intrusive state has grown by leaps and bounds ever since 1867.

A majority government can force a law through, a minority can not. Such things as gun laws, NAFTA, and ridiculous taxes (GST & HST).
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« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2008, 03:48:18 PM »



Sorry for the rant!

No problem, politics will bring a rant out of anyone, at least it should.
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« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2008, 12:09:22 PM »

An excellent film, I definitely recommend viewing it for anyone, not just Canadians.
Thanks Sane. I'm glad you like it Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2008, 02:51:18 PM »

Sounds like Joe Clark is not impressed with todays political scene.

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Let Elizabeth May speak
I'm alarmed at how easily parties put their own interest ahead of the public interest

JOE CLARK

Sixteenth prime minister of Canada

September 10, 2008

The immediate question about Canada's election is not who will win, but how open and inclusive the campaign will be.

Elections can confirm bad practices, or change them. Ours need changing.

The tone of federal politics today is the worst I can remember in my 50 years in public life. Of course, there were angry partisan differences before, but they were tumultuous exceptions to a general rule of common public purpose, even civility. By contrast, the standard today has become consistently bitter and negative - personal invective routinely displaces any serious discussion of issues or differences.

This low standard helps corrode respect for the democratic institutions in which this mean drama plays out. It comes at a bad time, because there has been a general decline in the reputation of politicians, parties, legislatures and other institutions. Cynicism grows. Candidates are hard to attract. Citizens turn away from politics - especially young people, who see nothing to attract or inspire them. That constitutes a long-term threat to the authority of the pan-Canadian political institutions that have always been essential for citizens of this diverse democracy to act positively together.
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Obviously, Canada is not the only democracy whose parties and leaders are losing their constituency. But what is striking - now that a Canadian election has been crammed into the shadow of a U.S. presidential campaign - is that we (who preach so much) are continuing our decline, while the American system (which we routinely deride) has broken away emphatically from "business as usual." In choosing their candidates for president, both American parties reached deliberately beyond their status quo - the Republicans to independent voters who admire John McCain, the Democrats to the young and the idealists who are inspired by Barack Obama.

What might Canada do to break out of our mean political cycle, between now and Oct. 14? One option appears to have been shut down on Monday, with the refusal to allow the Green Party's Elizabeth May to participate in the leaders debates.

That should be reconsidered. Her participation would demonstrate that Canadian politics is inclusive, not exclusive. Ms. May shares essential democratic attributes with both Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain - the outsider, the person the party establishments sought to exclude, the person with a message that resonates with citizens who've grown cynical about, or disaffected from, their political system.

I've participated in televised debates, both leading the party that went on to win the election, and leading a "fifth" party. Those debates do not, in themselves, determine election results. But they do allow voters - the citizens who decide our country's future - to hear the arguments, assess the candidates and make informed decisions.

This would not be a free ride for the Green Party. Ms. May would have to prove herself and make her case, just like other party leaders. But now, unlike those other leaders, she alone is denied that right.

We're not talking about the Rhinoceros Party. In the 2006 general election, the Greens won 665,940 votes, nearly 5 per cent of the total. Polls published this month by Segma, Ekos and Environics indicate that support for the Greens runs between 7 per cent and 10 per cent, even though the party has never been allowed to make its case in a national leaders debate. In nine provinces and three territories, the Greens have much more support than the Bloc Québécois, which is not only invited to the debates but has the power to veto other participants.

No law forbids Ms. May from joining the other leaders in a televised debate, just as no law forbade Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain from launching their improbable campaigns for a presidential nomination. Instead, the rules that keep her out are determined, in effect, by the political parties that are already in. Technically, the decision is taken by a consortium of the broadcasters who would carry the program; but, in announcing the decision to shut out Ms. May, that consortium has made it clear that the real veto is exercised by the other political parties.

So, it's a club, whose members set their own rules.

Jason MacDonald, a spokesman for the network consortium, is quoted as saying that three parties - those led by Stephen Harper, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe - all opposed the participation of Ms. May in the so-called leaders debate, "and it became clear that if the Green Party were included, there would be no leaders debates."

That's blackmail. If these three men want to boycott a genuine debate, let them have the courage to do so openly. Let them also explain why, in a year when U.S. party establishments could not shut out an Obama or a McCain, it is appropriate for the Canadian party establishments to muzzle a significant voice for change.

I am not a supporter of any of the existing federal parties, including the Greens. But I am alarmed, and surprised, by how tightly the government now controls Parliament, how easily parties put their own interest ahead of the public interest, and how mean our public debate has become. We have to break that pattern, and one way to begin would be with a more inclusive leaders debate. I urge more Canadians to press these three leaders, and the broadcasting consortium they hide behind, to reconsider their exclusionary decision.

For Canadians concerned about democracy, the question is not why the Green Party should be let in. The question is: Why should the Greens be kept out?
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« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2008, 03:37:06 PM »

Is it possible for a Moderator to move these two threads into this one? Maybe in time we can build a picture of politics in Canada, it sure would be easier than trying to explain it.
 
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« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2008, 03:48:25 PM »

Sounds like Joe Clark is not impressed with todays political scene.

"Joe Who?"

LOL Sorry, couldn't resist.   Grin

While I think it's good that the parties backed down & let her in, I have a sour taste in my mouth for the fact that she has endorsed Dion for PM & they will not run a candidate in each other's riding.  She will obviously not hold Dion account for his time as Environmental Minister and that, I consider in your face collusion.  Arrogant collusion.  Kind of hard to debate someone you've already endorsed.
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« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2008, 04:06:32 PM »

"Joe Who?"

LOL Sorry, couldn't resist.   Grin

While I think it's good that the parties backed down & let her in, I have a sour taste in my mouth for the fact that she has endorsed Dion for PM & they will not run a candidate in each other's riding.  She will obviously not hold Dion account for his time as Environmental Minister and that, I consider in your face collusion.  Arrogant collusion.  Kind of hard to debate someone you've already endorsed.

You have it tagged perfectly, "collusion". It no wonder why people get discouraged with politics. If you don't compromise yourself you can't survive. Look at poor "Joe Who", out the door before he knew what happened. Not sure if he understands what happened even today.
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« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2008, 06:07:43 PM »

"Joe Who?"

LOL Sorry, couldn't resist.   Grin

While I think it's good that the parties backed down & let her in, I have a sour taste in my mouth for the fact that she has endorsed Dion for PM & they will not run a candidate in each other's riding.  She will obviously not hold Dion account for his time as Environmental Minister and that, I consider in your face collusion.  Arrogant collusion.  Kind of hard to debate someone you've already endorsed.

In my parts we refer to him as Joke Lark!
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« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2008, 06:12:02 PM »

You have it tagged perfectly, "collusion". It no wonder why people get discouraged with politics. If you don't compromise yourself you can't survive. Look at poor "Joe Who", out the door before he knew what happened. Not sure if he understands what happened even today.

No kidding. Imagine cutting deals to manipulate the 'wishes' of the electorate? Nice rep by pop. That's why I no longer vote. I refuse the play the game any more. (unless there's a legitimate libertarian on the ticket of course, in which case I'll vote as many times as I can get away with).
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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2008, 02:45:40 PM »

Looks like Harper has already decided on who is forming the next government.

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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2008, 04:15:30 PM »

Joe Clark was the last true conservative leader in Canada.  He is for smaller government, non interventionist foreign policy, downscaled military spending.

Now we have 'The (Neo)Conservative Party of Canada" running the show, with epic budgets, collusion in illegal wars of aggression, and massively increased military spending.

I would gladly take Joke Lark over The Bilderbergy Derrboy A N Y  D A Y.
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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2008, 04:33:25 PM »

When they called the election, all the bills before the House and Senate got dropped.  My political party;

http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/home.html

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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2008, 06:37:11 AM »

I've decided to write Ron Paul's name on my ballot & I'm trying to convince as many people as I know to do the same.   Grin

It'd be great if an actual percentage of POd Canadians did the same.

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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2008, 06:42:57 AM »

I've decided to write Ron Paul's name on my ballot & I'm trying to convince as many people as I know to do the same.   Grin

It'd be great if an actual percentage of POd Canadians did the same.



Excellent idea... I'll have to do a little dumpster diving to dig out my voter permission card.
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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2008, 01:23:12 PM »


Go anywhere in Canada and see that the Queen owns this and owns that, plaques everywhere, and guess what, she does.

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« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2008, 06:32:54 AM »

Go anywhere in Canada and see that the Queen owns this and owns that, plaques everywhere, and guess what, she does.



Yeah, she's especially fond of hockey rinks, hospitals, parks & avenues.  lol

I have 15 people who've told me they will write Ron Paul's name on their ballot.  10 in my riding & they're telling others to do the same.  I'm hoping to get enough in my riding so the returning officers go "WTF?".   Grin
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« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2008, 10:44:57 AM »

I used to spend a lot of time in Ontario, had a girlfriend there. I managed to get a little understanding of your politics, but I thought you didn't have the write in option??
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« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2008, 07:42:00 PM »

I used to spend a lot of time in Ontario, had a girlfriend there. I managed to get a little understanding of your politics, but I thought you didn't have the write in option??

The write-in option was given to us at birth.
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« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2008, 05:07:49 AM »

Go anywhere in Canada and see that the Queen owns this and owns that, plaques everywhere, and guess what, she does.


Tell me about it, same here.

We got her head on the back of every coin and luckily not every note.

Then there's the Government seals, names 'Royal Commission' etc.

I'm for a republic but a Consitution and / or Bill of Rights drawn up now would be a disaster!
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« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2008, 05:55:39 PM »

may have something relevent here. A friend of mine in B.C has a party going. very close to what some may consider a decent option.
http://refedbc.com/wp/
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« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2008, 05:56:56 PM »

may have something relevent here. A friend of mine in B.C has a party going. very close to what some may consider a decent option.
http://refedbc.com/wp/
http://www.electmikesummers.com/
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