Watchmen-NWO justification for exterminating billions with false flag

[squarepusher]

The final dialouge between Dr. Manhattan and the smartest man in the world was well fairly logical.  I understand in the movie millions die and peace is based on a lie, but peace none the less.  

And this, my friend, was exactly the point - prima face evidence of propaganda having worked on a propagandee. Take something previously unacceptable or ridiculous (millions dying for world peace), put it out there in a movie, tie some likeable characters to it, give some sort of reason that makes sense to you, and voila - you can now rationalize the master plan to yourself on some level.

This is a technique - you watch these movies thinking you're just being entertained - meanwhile it's all funded by the military-industrial complex. The director most of the time is on board with it or plays a lesser role and gets a few ideas/concepts handed down to him.

This is why television and the motion picture is such a dangerous medium - it's non-interactive, you can 'bind' music and images in such a way to elicit an emotional response, and then tie a propaganda message to it so that you can change people's mindsets. Meanwhile - there is not much time to reflect on what you're seeing because it's a full-out assault of action sequences, fast-cut camera sequences and basic primal themes like sex and violence. Compare that to a book where you at least have to stress your brain to visualise what you're reading and you always have the option to stop reading for a minute and ponder it all and books are a far less dangerous propaganda medium.

I'm telling you - if you didn't know any better I could get a good director like Stanley Kubrick or a Ridley Scott to make a movie where the Nazis are portrayed in a favorable light. In fact, Paul Verhoeven already did that with Starship Troopers - he even copied, scene for scene, Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph Of The Will, and guess what - only a FEW Americans caught on to it. (I remember reading somewhere that he was scared shitless when he figured out that nearly everyone glanced over it and didn't seem to notice - as if he knew by then 'Oh boy, we're in a lot of trouble) The vast majority could rather sympathize with the military dictatorship's war against the bugs - and even likened them to America.

[Unintelligable Name]

This is a technique - you watch these movies thinking you're just being entertained - meanwhile it's all funded by the military-industrial-entertainment complex.

+1

[VALiberaltarian]

Hummmm...I think some of you might have missed some of the important subtleties of the story. I wasn't left with much of an impression of "heroism" from these particular "superheroes". This wasn't a pro NWO movie. It was an expose on gov't/corp corruption, arrogance, abuse of power and the real existence of conspiracies. It was more of an NWO character study. A lot of Moore's stuff is like that.

[Dig]

Hummmm...I think some of you might have missed some of the important subtleties of the story. I wasn't left with much of an impression of "heroism" from these particular "superheroes". This wasn't a pro NWO movie. It was an expose on gov't/corp corruption, arrogance, abuse of power and the real existence of conspiracies. It was more of an NWO character study. A lot of Moore's stuff is like that.

It was totally pro NWO, exposed by the earlier post...

"sure millions die, but in the end there is peace."

Ends justify the means is the Nazi/Satanic/Zionist/Fascist/Socialist philosophy to justify genocides everywhere and that is the message of the film...ends justify the means. Also it hasthe "humans are not intelligent enough to decide things so super elites/supermen need to" Total NWO.

[VALiberaltarian]

I shouldn't bite but I will. And were those super heroes really portrayed as "heroes"? Were they really? What kind of role model was the comedian? And was the peace predicated on the lie engineered by Ozymandias? What is the origin of that characters name? What of his works? Dr Manhatten thought that the future could be perfectly architected and engineered and he turned out to be.....wrong/right?  What happened in the final scene of the film? What implications does that have for indy media? Better go watch again. 

[chrisfromchi]

Im watching this right now. This movies messed up hardcore

[Unintelligable Name]

Im watching this right now. This movies messed up hardcore

Very brutal and gory... with random pointless sex scenes... you can tell the target audience was basement dwellers.

The part where they are slow-motion fighting in the prison made me stop and think how much it reminded me of Power Rangers, but for grownups.... well maybe not grownups, but guys with chin beards.

I saw one at Coscto today... looked about 26 still living at home, jobless, throwing a tissy fit over his mother not buying him a computer monitor or something f**kin' thing.

[Volitzar]

Yeah what is it with kids today and their inability to comprehend money and economics ??

Of course look at the majority adult population.  Economically-impaired. 

[squarepusher]

Very brutal and gory... with random pointless sex scenes... you can tell the target audience was basement dwellers.

The part where they are slow-motion fighting in the prison made me stop and think how much it reminded me of Power Rangers, but for grownups.... well maybe not grownups, but guys with chin beards.

This seems to be the prevailing trend nowadays... the entire movie industry has been turned into a comic book adaptation factory. 'Spider-Man', 'Batman', 'Hulk', 'Iron Man', 'Watchmen', 'V For Vendetta', Matrix (well, not really a comic book but I guess you could include it due to its anime references), X-Men, GI Joe and i could go on and on and on, but I won't.

And yes, all those movies are all about sex, violence, fast action sequences, and indeed some plot thrown somewhere inbetween - and the plot nearly always concerns NWO-like agendas and eugenics.

To give a few examples why these films are about eugenics: the X-Men have better 'genes' or 'freak' genes and are demonised by the rest of society - Superman has to pretend to be a 'common man' because otherwise he wouldn't be accepted - same for Heroes - the Barbie-doll character, the one Hayden what's her name plays, needs to constantly go through this 'girl next door' act to get her through life - otherwise she wouldn't be accepted. What these movies are saying is something like this - oh, those with superior genes - the power to regenerate themselves, jump really high, fly, whatever - are demonised by the rest of society because THEY are superior. This should really be the other way around. Kind of like a eugenic version of Atlus Shrugged.

And I'm sure a few years from now they will be tying this in with little microchips you can plug into yourself to give you enhanced abilities akin to a Heroes mutant - and there are already countless videogames where do you just that, like the Deus Ex series and others. In fact, there's no doubt in my mind the whole cyberpunk genre in the late '80s/early '90s (this includes The Terminator as well, BTW) was 'laying the seeds' for the current 20 year something generation to accept all this 'microchip/brain chip' malarky.

This all is high-level propaganda and indoctrination - it's really a sad indictment on the general movie-watching audiences that they fail to see these connections - they just chalk them up as genre 'cliches'.

[Unintelligable Name]

This all is high-level propaganda and indoctrination - it's really a sad indictment on the general movie-watching audiences that they fail to see these connections - they just chalk them up as genre 'cliches'.

Yeah well I quit watching movies and television cold turkey because it blows me away to even sit there for 10 minutes... as it is after I watched the Watchmen to give my take on it the film stayed in my mind for a week. Most unsettling...

[abrhim]

And this, my friend, was exactly the point - prima face evidence of propaganda having worked on a propagandee. Take something previously unacceptable or ridiculous (millions dying for world peace), put it out there in a movie, tie some likeable characters to it, give some sort of reason that makes sense to you, and voila - you can now rationalize the master plan to yourself on some level.

[/quote/]

the reasoning in the movie makes sense.  since we don't have a naked blue man solving all our problems i didn't quite fall for the propaganda.  i wouldn't consider myself a hardcore listener of AJ, he does make a lot (emphasis) of sense and i would consider him real news long before the network news. it just seems that almost every big movie that comes out, this forum board hones in on the symbolism and nwo propaganda...i get it.  It's scary how they flaunt it in our faces and laugh at us for being cattle. 

Working in the food service industy, maybe there is a part of the population that needs to be reduced, and i may be one of those.  From people i have worked with to people i have served, there are a lot of dumb ignorant people out there who feel society owes them something, or they get shit on all day at their job so they go out to eat and shit on the server.  I would absolutely believe the flouride, pretend food, and media have a major role in their idiocy.  At the same time, we as a nation have become lazy and unproductive.  I feel i work hard for my money, i read books, and i like living a minimal lifestyle.  I am at the very least preparing mentally for the coming depopulation.  I absolutely believe that that is in the cards. 

One of the posts made note of the twin towers, well in the 'history' of the movie they haven't been demolished in a controlled way, and if they weren't there someone would harp on how (justifiably) they weren't there, erego orwellian rewriting of history. 

back to your propaganda/progandee...AJ on his show talks about not being able to go to a baseball game and enjoying a coke because of the tribalism, high fructose corn syrup, etc...Sometimes i just want to watch a movie.  I know about the NWO agenda and yes when i watch a movie like watchmen, that is in the back of my mind.  And at the same time, i probably just got off work and want to watch a movie and relax.  Or should i count my stored food and clean my guns to relax? 

I think i lost my point, but i am no propagandee.  The arguement for depopulation can be presented in a way that is logical.  It's not tri-la lovey dovey, humanitarian, or nice but that's logic for you...it's cold.  Regardless, i believe in the Gaia theory, where mother earth is a living thing and we are guests on here land.  When it's time she'll get rid of us, if we don't do it ourselves.

[Unintelligable Name]

One of the posts made note of the twin towers, well in the 'history' of the movie they haven't been demolished in a controlled way, and if they weren't there someone would harp on how (justifiably) they weren't there, erego orwellian rewriting of history.

Sure whatever you say. My point was that Ozymandoofus office overlooked the Twin Towers (of all buildings on planet Earth) as his comtemplated his plan to kill 15 million. Coincidence or not it was unsettling. I am fully aware the story is set in the 80's.

Plug yourself back into the Matrix if you want -- but don't expect us to join you. "I think i lost my point" yeah... I agree, you think we take it too far sometimes -- noted.

"The arguement (drop the e, I make that mistake too) for depopulation can be presented in a way that is logical" What better way to do it? At it's core it's nonsense though, read the writings, see the documents, then perhaps it will become something other than "just a movie."

[abrhim]

i really love how any other opinion on this board makes the person 'plugged in' or 'flouride drinking' or 'disinfo agent'.  maybe i focused in on the point in the movie about vigilantism.  maybe the idea of some huge corporation making decisions that effect them positively and every one else negatively is nothing new. 

I can see the symbolism, i can see the NWO agenda, maybe just maybe i want to simply watch a movie.  If i was plugged into the matrix i would love that number one hit 'i got a feeling'.  After colbert cracked on it i went to youtube and watched the terrible video.  The end of the video is of images of people falling down drunk with 'gonna have a good time' as the music over those images.  Oh yeah that's great that teens listening to this crap think having a good time consists of getting fall down drunk.  And that's just one very small example...of how i must be plugged in.  Oh wait, that's a shitty song and the context of the video make me sick. 

Yes sometimes things get taken too far for me.  I am glad some of you out there are seeing all this symbolism, i miss some of it.  But back to a point i made, vigilantism...what would the people of the forum say if that was commonplace?  Which i took from the movie as a question to ponder.  Yes, eugenisists are real and i feel there plan is about to reach a fomenting point.  I am preparing for this time as much as i can.  So i must be plugged in, because i disagree slightly right?  I feel like michael douglas in falling down when he shanks the neo-nazi store owner.

[Unintelligable Name]

I wrote:

Plug yourself back into the Matrix if you want

That is very different from "You are plugged into the Matrix," as the nature of your post assumed.

Why did I write that? Well because of this:

maybe just maybe i want to simply watch a movie.

and

And at the same time, i probably just got off work and want to watch a movie and relax

[InfoTruth]

I thought the ending sucked but the movie was good overall.

[abrhim]

I wrote:

That is very different from "You are plugged into the Matrix," as the nature of your post assumed.

Why did I write that? Well because of this:  and

plug yourself back in, means you assume i was already in the matrix somehow broke free and maybe should plug back in.  And i address that just wanting to watch a movie thing with alex's own going to a ball game analogy.  I do see the symbolism and the nwo flaunting it in front of us while laughing.  aside from preparing myself and my family, talking to fellow citizens to wake them up, being active in my community what else should i do.  I also want to enjoy my life since i only have one.  I'm no 'infowarrior' something slightly less  hardcore.  why can't i enjoy a movie without being 'plugged in'?  Do you have something you do that relaxes you?  Where is the line that seperates outraged citizen to soldier of fortune? 

[InfoTruth]

Abrhim you're allowed to do anything you want. Why you give a shit about these assholes?

[abrhim]

boredom mostly.  I like to argue.  This forum board doesn't dictate my behavior in any way.  It just hard to find people willing to 'debate' in any sense.  Internet is about the only way to communicate with people of like minds.  there are a few i can talk with in person, but i work a lot and don't always get to talk with those people in person...so here i am.

[Unintelligable Name]

It's a war for your mind and spirit. You see NWO propaganda? Rebuke it with the full force of your heart and mind.

Pesonally, I relax by listening to music and playing puzzle games. Learning about the New World Order is relaxing to me as well -- watching television or movies is not. My posts are about the theme of the movie, the brainwashing effect it has, and

I don't want to take part in delusions with actors on a screen runinng around pretending to have sex with each other and vaporize fellow humans. For me, suspended disbelief isn't something I want to take part in, at all. It's a mirroring of reality, people see a flick and react to it as if it's real, similarily when people dream and react subconciously and conciously to it as if the dream were really happening.

There is no definitive right or wrong way to go about things -- I'm simply giving my opinion. If it sounds like nonsense, so be it. I only responded and continued the discussion on movies because your post did not reflect what I wrote, so I wanted to point that out in the event you misread or misinterpreted what I wrote. But now I will continue to explain...

The allegory of the Matrix is taken specifically from the scene with Cypher as he considers plugging himself back into the Matrix and having his memory erased. In the scene, "Reality sucks" and is mentally straining. For the Matrix -- it is quite obvious for those who have seen it that it exists. The same is true for NWO themes in movies. What you desire is to just "watch a movie" which for the purpose of this thread here and now means that you want to ignore the NWO themes, prentending they aren't there. Now you may be pretty good at pretending, but I doubt rationally be following the plot of the Watchmen and not realize the NWO themes. So in effect your desire is impossible -- the themes will remain and so long as you are following the storyline the correlations will pop out at you. Hence the only metaphorical alternative, should you really "just want to watch a movie" would be to insert yourself back into the Matrix (Metaphorically erase your memory)

Hence... reject it and continue on with life being aware that your viewpoints are constantly being influenced via external propaganda machines.

[abrhim]

it's just a f**king movie...i live in reality.  sometimes i watch movies, mostly because they are commercial free.  Because i want to 'just watch a movie' doesn't (to me) that i am in any capacity plugging back in. And aside from Neo and Morphieus i couldn't name another character in those movies...wait catherine bell's character, ol' what's her face.  Again to reiterate, i see the symbolism, i see the NWO agenda, i see the propaganda.  sometimes i have to use mainstream movies to broach the NWO agenda subject with someone who doesn't know.  If you approach someone foaming at the mouth 'blasting them with truth' they may reject the info outrightly, opposed to learning about the person and approaching them in a way condusive to them spefically. 

[nustada]

it's just a f**king movie...i live in reality.  sometimes i watch movies, mostly because they are commercial free.  Because i want to 'just watch a movie' doesn't (to me) that i am in any capacity plugging back in. And aside from Neo and Morphieus i couldn't name another character in those movies...wait catherine bell's character, ol' what's her face.  Again to reiterate, i see the symbolism, i see the NWO agenda, i see the propaganda.  sometimes i have to use mainstream movies to broach the NWO agenda subject with someone who doesn't know.  If you approach someone foaming at the mouth 'blasting them with truth' they may reject the info outrightly, opposed to learning about the person and approaching them in a way condusive to them spefically. 

Nothing intentional is ever just X, everything man made that is not random has a motive, and an agenda, even if it is just abstract, or juvenile. Being aware of the agenda almost makes one immune to its contagiousness. Kind of like knowing the tricks of a car salesmen, will help you secure a better deal. However, if something has an explicitly evil agenda, it should be dissected, analyzed and respectively discussed, in order that a logical presentation could be made to someone who is not "aware".

I haven't watched this movie, and I probably won't because if a movie, if I gather correctly from the other comments on this thread, justifiably could be renamed "the super duper bouncing blue penis that explodes all over the city", its not the kind of movie I want to see, and so I can't specifically address any aspect this movie.

[squarepusher]

I think i lost my point, but i am no propagandee.  The arguement for depopulation can be presented in a way that is logical.  It's not tri-la lovey dovey, humanitarian, or nice but that's logic for you...it's cold.  

So you exclude yourself from the category 'propagandee' just because you have some conception of what you're looking at? You know, that doesn't exclude you from being a propagandee. It doesn't even exclude me for that matter. I think these movies - where false flag operations are partly exposed - are also supposed to appeal to 'us' in the sense that 'we' have become another market demographic.

Regardless, i believe in the Gaia theory, where mother earth is a living thing and we are guests on here land.  When it's time she'll get rid of us, if we don't do it ourselves.

The Gaia theory... now there's another theory that has been massively promoted through movies, videogames and the like - nearly all the anime movies from Japan (Princess Mononoke for one) are all about the planet being this living organism, and the pesky humans destroying the rainforests, yadda, yadda.... In Japan they have a history of environmentalism - in fact, Shintoism already was this kind of pre-global warming religion where the Shogun claimed land from the people because apparently some kind of invisible river god was situated near the river and therefore they had to possess the land from the farmers. Of course, it was highly convenient that nobody could see this 'river god' - the Shoguns just stated it existed and that made it fact. Kind of like how everybody is harping on about these devilish greenhouse gases destroying the environment.

My point is that we get all these ideas/convictions from movies. So to deny they  play a major influence in people's lives beyond being mere disposable entertainment is kind of like self-denial - even though people might not be able to verbalize what it is they're looking at.

[Dustbunny]

it's just a f**king movie...i live in reality.  sometimes i watch movies, mostly because they are commercial free.  Because i want to 'just watch a movie' doesn't (to me) that i am in any capacity plugging back in. And aside from Neo and Morphieus i couldn't name another character in those movies...wait catherine bell's character, ol' what's her face.  Again to reiterate, i see the symbolism, i see the NWO agenda, i see the propaganda.  sometimes i have to use mainstream movies to broach the NWO agenda subject with someone who doesn't know.  If you approach someone foaming at the mouth 'blasting them with truth' they may reject the info outrightly, opposed to learning about the person and approaching them in a way condusive to them spefically. 

I never watch "live" TV, I use Tivo and fast forward on the commercials... well sometimes I watch 'em, I used to make commercials so I watch every now and then just to see what people do with the tools. Got fed up with the business, and quit...

[Unintelligable Name]

"James Lovelock is one of the icons of the environmental movement. His idea that the Earth is a
self-regulating, living organism (the GAIA hypothesis, first expounded in his 1979 book GAIA:
A New Look at Life on Earth) provides the philosophical underpinning of environmentalism.
So it may be surprising that Lovelock is an enthusiastic supporter of nuclear energy, which he
says has "great benefits and small risks." In the preface to the seemingly paradoxical book
Environmentalists for Nuclear Energy, he writes: "I want to put it to you that the dangers of
continuing to burn fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal) as our main energy source are far greater and they
threaten not just individuals but civilization itself." The answer, he maintains, is the clean energy
from nuke plants, which produce almost nothing that clogs up the atmosphere. As for what to do
with all that radioactive waste, Lovelock has a shocking answer:
Natural ecosystems can stand levels of continuous radiation that would be Intolerable in a
city. The land around the failed Chernobyl power station was evacuated because its high
radiation intensity made it unsafe for people, but this radioactive land is now rich in
wildlife, much more so than neighboring populated areas. We call the ash from nuclear
power nuclear waste and worry about its safe disposal. I wonder if instead we should use it
as an incorruptible guardian of the beautiful places of the Earth. Who would dare cut
down a forest in which was the storage place of nuclear ash?
Lovelock does admit that nuclear power is "potentially harmful to people," something that his
brethren in the group Environmentalists for Nuclear Power often try to downplay. Truthfully,
some of their points are good ones."

Even the Gaia theory has NWO overtones to it, it is inescapable.

[squarepusher]

"James Lovelock is one of the icons of the environmental movement. His idea that the Earth is a
self-regulating, living organism (the GAIA hypothesis, first expounded in his 1979 book GAIA:
A New Look at Life on Earth) provides the philosophical underpinning of environmentalism.
So it may be surprising that Lovelock is an enthusiastic supporter of nuclear energy, which he
says has "great benefits and small risks." In the preface to the seemingly paradoxical book
Environmentalists for Nuclear Energy, he writes: "I want to put it to you that the dangers of
continuing to burn fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal) as our main energy source are far greater and they
threaten not just individuals but civilization itself." The answer, he maintains, is the clean energy
from nuke plants, which produce almost nothing that clogs up the atmosphere. As for what to do
with all that radioactive waste, Lovelock has a shocking answer:
Natural ecosystems can stand levels of continuous radiation that would be Intolerable in a
city. The land around the failed Chernobyl power station was evacuated because its high
radiation intensity made it unsafe for people, but this radioactive land is now rich in
wildlife, much more so than neighboring populated areas. We call the ash from nuclear
power nuclear waste and worry about its safe disposal. I wonder if instead we should use it
as an incorruptible guardian of the beautiful places of the Earth. Who would dare cut
down a forest in which was the storage place of nuclear ash?
Lovelock does admit that nuclear power is "potentially harmful to people," something that his
brethren in the group Environmentalists for Nuclear Power often try to downplay. Truthfully,
some of their points are good ones. More people have been killed by coal-mining than by nuclear
power, even when you factor in the shorter time that nuclear power has existed. Most of the
radiation we get zapped with comes from outer space (around two-thirds) and medical
procedures (around a third), with only a smidgen from nuke plants.
Still, when you know about all the unpublicized accidents and near-meltdowns that have
occurred, it's hard to be quite so blasé about the dangers. After all, the group's own literature
says, "Nuclear energy is a very clean energy if it is well designed, well-built, well operated, and
well managed." Trouble is, it's often none of those things. Design flaws, human error, corruption,
incompetence, greed, and toothless oversight mean that in the real world, nuke plants often don't
work as advertised."

Even the Gaia theory has NWO overtones to it, it is inescapable.

I thought people already knew that about Mr James Lovelock. Let me give you a quote from him:

http://popularsymbolism.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/the-impact-of-zombies-on-society/#the-impact-of-zombies-on-society-zombies-and-depopulation

“By 2100, James Lovelock believes, the Earth’s population will be culled from today’s 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes — Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin.”
Rolling Stone – The Prophet of Climate Change: James Lovelock (November 1, 2007)

A mass culling of the public - how nice. He's a bit off with his predictions - 2100 is a bit long - but so far he's on tune with the rest of the environmental/eugenic wackos.

[Colloid]

The main reason the movie sucked is because it was directed badly. 

I just wanted to point out that in the graphic novel, the false-flag attack was a staged alien invasion in the form of a giant squid.  The change to Dr. Manhattan blowing up cities just didn't make sense.  Just goes to show what a hack the director was, he didn't even understand the source material.

Yeah, the story is telling us that humans are little better than animals and need to be saved from themselves by the "super beings."  NWO conditioning for sure.

[6degrees]

Just saw it.  Grabbed some of the frames that caught my eye.  I put some quick notes in the decriptions for each shot.  Very pushy on the symbolism.  I'd like to know the meaning behind the hieroglyphs used...among other things.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33204460@N02/

[Unintelligable Name]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33204460@N02/

Can't tell what I'm looking at on many of them. Based on your captions though you get the movie.

The Jack Parsons note on the nuclear blast as the male/female make out is a minor but interesting point. Baptism by fire with their little demon baby eh?   Could be... could be...

[6degrees]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_1001club01.htm  Just came across that - never heard of it before.

[Unintelligable Name]

Great find! The Watchmen is of some use today. Never heard of it either, very curious.

[Mike Philbin]

you know that phrase, "Well that's two hours of my life I'll never get back"? applies to the WATCHMEN movie from the director of 300. I think one of the good things was the lack of dialogue in 300, and what dialogue there was just got all the main characters into a fight. There's a similar sorta mechanic going on here but there's just something broken about it all.

First of all, get to the f**king point already.

Flipping backwards and forwards in time like it's some introductory nostalgia trip for a franchise that's never gonna be is a) counter-productive and b) b.o.r.i.n.g.

B O R I N G

Second the dialogue is straight out of some datyime TV soap or something. It's overlit, like any good plotless porn film. Yeah, WATCHMEN is a porn film in as much as any 3D game on XBOX360 or PS3 or your PC is a porn film. You've got no f**king story apaprt from a few cliched narrative arcs. You don't give a shit about anyone or anything passing before your eyes. It's rendered up to the tits with shiny stuff and explodey stuff and HOLLYWOOD thinks that's all THE PAYING CUSTOMER deserves(!)

Sorry, pal, you support this sort of jaded (over-corporatised) cliched film making, you're paying for the DEATH OF CINEMA and the DEATH OF PEOPLE THINKING and the DEATH OF ALL PURPOSEFUL CREATIVITY.

There are three key techniques that are employed in this ripped piss-stinking rug of a film i) men punching women ii) arms being broken  iii) kung fu. And who really gives a shit about any of those three anti-tropes of modern living unless you're a psychopathic moron who gets his kicks masturbating to brutal ass rape with a splintered baseball bat. Yeah, that was the major ingredient of this piss-poor effort - overlit ass f**king with spintering stool legs. Not my cup of tea - and it shouldn't be yours either.

Yeah,  but Mike, you're hammering at your screen, it's about the Illuminati (all be it a blue-ish one) it's about the 9-11 sacrifice of thousands for the common good and the introduction of the Neue Welt Ordnung (I use the Germanic because that's when Hard Nazism became Soft Corporatism). But it's not. It's just shit. A garbage piece of dog poo.

A really shit film you can shine and shine and shine with any amount of ambivalent slave labour and it's still gonna just be a turd of a project from start to finish. A heartless piece of commercial cinema. I pity those talented folk who had to 'make the best of' this totally shit material.

[Valerius]

I took it as obviously evil when I watched it, but it is almost hard to believe that there are still a lot of people defending the millions killed to save the world meme from the movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409459/board/threads/