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« Reply #400 on: March 13, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »

I'll post it again. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7932/watchmen1227.jpg

See that mushroom cloud covering the solar system model?  The statement Moore makes in this scene is that Ozy's false flag scheme ultimately fails. Doesn't seem very pro-NWO to me.


The entire premise is pro-NWO.  We are conditioned to accept that false flags of greater magnitude are just a normal occurance.  We are also conditioned to accept these fricking saviours as the only ones who can help us.

This makes it very easy for the NWO to use controlled opposition as we will already be conditioned to follow.  How about a movie with no supermen and exposing that the global genocidal architects are just a crew of scared, cowardly old men hiding behind curtains and fogs.

You know like the Obama Deception Wink
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« Reply #401 on: March 13, 2009, 01:44:40 PM »

The good guy is killed in Watchmen...and there is still a massive slaughter.  You obviously don't understand The Plan.

Rorschach is a fundamentalist.  He believes in traditional values.  He is utterly destroyed.

Moore is telling a version of the Theosophical belief in evolution through cycles, and the need to purify the race with a sacrifice at the beginning of the new age.  Other versions of this same story can be found in the mythology around 2012, the Zeitgeist movies, Rapture/Tribulation/Revelation, 2001/2010(Clarke/Kubrick/Hyams), Contact(Sagan).

It is about inspiring change.  Controlling evolution.  And sacrificing.

The people, like Rorschach, who can't change will be sacrificed in the New Age.  They will not see what comes after.


Moore is telling the same story as Peter Joseph...

At the New Age there is always a slaughter...Moses did it to usher in the Age of Aries.  Jesus/God took the sacrifice for Pisces.
Now we are at Aquarius.  We have counted down to midnight, again.  It is time for a cleansing.

It's Theosophy.  Which is based on occultic astrology and alchemy.  It is a gnostic belief.  Earth worship.


Who kills Rorschach?  Dr. Manhattan.

He is the only one of his kind.  He is a Messiah.

He has superhuman powers.  He stands outside time(When Abraham was, I am).  He is the new age Christ.  And his symbol is the the SCIENTIFIC symbol for the Hydrogen molecule.  He is a scientist...or, more accurately, an Alchemist.  He is Moore's version of the Messiah for the New Age.  I mean, on page 25 of the last chapter, Dr. Manhattan walks across the top of a swimming pool.

On page 31 a man is putting up a political sign that says, "One World, One Accord".  Beside that is a poster that says "This Is The Time, These Are The Feelings" with "New Deal" spray painted underneath.

The guy sitting on top of the pyramid is still alive at the end...

Seems pretty obvious to me.
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« Reply #402 on: March 13, 2009, 01:49:44 PM »



I concur.
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« Reply #403 on: March 14, 2009, 06:20:30 PM »

So anything that isn't extreme Christian is completely evil and wrong?
Are you f**king retarded?

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« Reply #404 on: March 14, 2009, 07:45:28 PM »

So anything that isn't extreme Christian is completely evil and wrong?
Are you f**king retarded?




hahaha, falling back on the christian v. theosophy crap.

oh man, who mentioned anything about christianity other than exposing the theosophical f-d up scientific luciferian technocracy agenda?

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« Reply #405 on: March 14, 2009, 08:10:59 PM »

I think all religion is retarded from Jewish zombies to Xenu to carousel or whatever.

I think we're a little off on the convo here.. I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but I missed the Theosophic bashing bandwagon.
Can someone provide a link on bashing Theosophy by someone isn't a fundamentalist christian?
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« Reply #406 on: March 14, 2009, 08:14:27 PM »

I think all religion is retarded from Jewish zombies to Xenu to carousel or whatever.

I think we're a little off on the convo here.. I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but I missed the Theosophic bashing bandwagon.
Can someone provide a link on bashing Theosophy by someone isn't a fundamentalist christian?


Sure, theosophy is a luciferian religion that hijacks other religions (judaism, christianity, islam, buddhism, hindu, etc) in order to create a one world religion.  It is the religion of the United Nations, Freemasons, Zionists, Thule Society, Scottish Rite, Skull and Bones, fundamentalist christians, etc.  It is the religion prophecized about in Zeitgeist, the new mega churches popping up all over, the religion that Moore obviously follows, and the religion of the new world order
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« Reply #407 on: March 14, 2009, 08:52:29 PM »

Sure, theosophy is a luciferian religion that hijacks other religions (judaism, christianity, islam, buddhism, hindu, etc) in order to create a one world religion.  It is the religion of the United Nations, Freemasons, Zionists, Thule Society, Scottish Rite, Skull and Bones, fundamentalist christians, etc.  It is the religion prophecized about in Zeitgeist, the new mega churches popping up all over, the religion that Moore obviously follows, and the religion of the new world order

You forgot to mention Hitler was a pretty big fan of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society, too. Hell, the Thule Society was basically the German outpost of the Theosophical Society.

So personguy, by all means, join Theosophy - you could do worse, like join Christianity.  Roll Eyes (and I say that as a non-Christian, BTW)
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« Reply #408 on: March 14, 2009, 09:19:35 PM »

It just seems to me that much of this is two sided. Theosophy seems as hijacked as anything else to me. It seems to be mostly dark-sided.. but I've seen some good in it as well - from it's original intent, trying to figure out what the F is this planet all about and why everything is as it is - but the elite are notorious for masking their own beliefs under the tarp of something else. Theosophy does not seem like the end-all beat-all to the elite.. just another stolen mask.
This seems likely because it tried to, originally, been trying to figure out how everything works together and the works from this were used to nefarious gains by the elite.

Just because one studies something and incorporated it into their work doesn't mean they should be demonized.. I personally see Moore as a timid Maxwell who likes to make picture books, but hey I could be wrong.
I've been a conspiracy researcher for almost a decade and this is just my personal opinion. It's understandable.. but I read alot of comics to.. kills time and I download 'em for free. But I think he's a cool guy.. I checked out alot of his stuff.. I've been studying the elite and I don't think he's one of 'em.
If he was he'd be milking these flicks and making millions.. instead of telling them to take his name off 'em and take their earning and stuff 'em.. cause they warp his story for their own.. another mask.

To throw everything into the same boat because they talk about something similar to what the NWOists believe shouldn't necessarily mean they should be demonized or that they're agentur seems a bit foolhardy.

I judge by people's works and you might not agree with my opinion but that's fine with me.
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« Reply #409 on: March 14, 2009, 11:12:46 PM »

I think all religion is retarded from Jewish zombies to Xenu to carousel or whatever.

I think we're a little off on the convo here.. I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but I missed the Theosophic bashing bandwagon.
Can someone provide a link on bashing Theosophy by someone isn't a fundamentalist christian?

Who is a Christian fundamentalist around here?

I don't even go to church.

Your boy Moore has written a book that is filled with religious symbols and rhetoric.  Sorry you aren't capable of reading analytically, and didn't realize that you were being indoctrinated with gnosticism, astrology, alchemy, Luciferianism and a strange mixture of hindu and buddhism.  The religious zealot here is Alan Moore.  Watchmen is filled with religious ideology.  Go show it to a professor of theology...he'll tell you the same thing.

I don't know why you refuse to see it.  On page 27 of the last chapter Dr. Manhattan says he may "create some" human life.  He is a God. 

Really, the fans of the book have almost no understanding of the true story they are reading.  I find it even more brilliant than you do, really.  Moore has created two stories, and he alludes to the second, secret, story with the other comic...the pirate comic.  Which also tells of impending doom.

Why don't you tell us what Watchmen is about.  Apparently, I read it wrong. 

Plus, what is ridiculous about referencing Carousel from Logan's Run?  Moore put an Ankh on the capless pyramid. 

You say he's not a Mason, but he happens to use that name for a character in the book and the back of Ozy's chair (when he is confronted and is eating dinner before midnight) has a symbol similar to the Compass and Square.

Learn to read analytically, and you may discover that your favorite stories are deeper than you imagined. 

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« Reply #410 on: March 14, 2009, 11:18:38 PM »

It just seems to me that much of this is two sided. Theosophy seems as hijacked as anything else to me. It seems to be mostly dark-sided.. but I've seen some good in it as well - from it's original intent, trying to figure out what the F is this planet all about and why everything is as it is - but the elite are notorious for masking their own beliefs under the tarp of something else. Theosophy does not seem like the end-all beat-all to the elite.. just another stolen mask.
This seems likely because it tried to, originally, been trying to figure out how everything works together and the works from this were used to nefarious gains by the elite.

Just because one studies something and incorporated it into their work doesn't mean they should be demonized.. I personally see Moore as a timid Maxwell who likes to make picture books, but hey I could be wrong.
I've been a conspiracy researcher for almost a decade and this is just my personal opinion. It's understandable.. but I read alot of comics to.. kills time and I download 'em for free. But I think he's a cool guy.. I checked out alot of his stuff.. I've been studying the elite and I don't think he's one of 'em.
If he was he'd be milking these flicks and making millions.. instead of telling them to take his name off 'em and take their earning and stuff 'em.. cause they warp his story for their own.. another mask.

To throw everything into the same boat because they talk about something similar to what the NWOists believe shouldn't necessarily mean they should be demonized or that they're agentur seems a bit foolhardy.

I judge by people's works and you might not agree with my opinion but that's fine with me.

Theosophy is not hijacked.  Theosophy is the agenda.
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« Reply #411 on: March 14, 2009, 11:27:41 PM »

Theosophy is not hijacked.  Theosophy is the agenda.

Yeah I didn't bother to mention the book "The Secret Doctrine."

I'm not that patient at times.
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« Reply #412 on: March 15, 2009, 12:37:30 AM »

Just because Moore used symbolism doesn't mean he's a bad guy. I posted a link here earlier from a Moore comic that exposed all the CIA dealings.. drug running.. false flag terrorism.. etc. The book even mentioned FEMA camps earlier than I've seen it referenced back in '88.
Alex used to be sketchy on Jordan Maxwell.. now they're cats.
All I'm saying is that you can't discount people who might seem like enemies (which I must add is positive to your own research, I'm not calling you down on it.) It's a good thing that you're so perceptive and critical.. I just think in this particular case it's wrong.

Futhermore.. there is a big stink in our movement now dividing us. This whole we don't agree on simple issues is bullshit. It's what is in our hearts and that we want free f**king humanity is what should bind us and so many of us keep f-ing with eachother on petty ideological issues.
The majority of Moore fans are cats that would be anti-NWO. We need to use this opportunity to hit the issues rather than divide us.

Yeah, the movie pushed it's own issues. Go to North Hampton and say it to Moore and he'd agree with you.

 We are so hardcore in seeking the enemy we dismiss possible allies. Moore is an example. He's dropping a book in the next year that's gonna rip to shreds the whole Crowley/secret society shit.. all he said about the prick was that his gives him props for being a scholar. Crowley revealed alot of shit being the egoist douchebag that he is.. and Moore called him out for that in interview's I've read.
 
But with this guys influence has done more good than bad.. the guy doesn't recognize himself as an AJ or something but he puts it out there.. I don't think he sits around a table with Rothschild, Brezinski and Kissinger thinking on how to take over the world at all.

Moore might have some beliefs that fit into what you call Theosophy in your sense but from my research he's kicked alot of Illuminati ass.
In the 80s he - predicted 911 back in the 80s - revealed all the CIAs dealings http://i41.tinypic.com/fuz05d.jpg%5Dhttp://i41.tinypic.com/fuz05d.jpg in the last 50 years  - dealt one of the most crippling blows to freemasonry that they've had.

All in all.. I think that there's too much division in the Truth Movement over petty issues, we need to discuss these issues and make us stronger as a whole.
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« Reply #413 on: March 15, 2009, 12:57:16 AM »

Alex used to be sketchy on Jordan Maxwell.. now they're cats.

No they aren't.

Guess he fooled you though.

Listen more carefully Personguy.
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« Reply #414 on: March 15, 2009, 03:09:42 AM »

No they aren't.

Guess he fooled you though.

Listen more carefully Personguy.

Alex and Jordo have been planning on rocking a Doc so yeah.. maybe you should listen more carefully cause I heard Alex bring this up a few times. I hope it goes through 'cause AJ and Maxwell complete eachother like peas and carrots, man.
 These cats rocking a Doc together would blow your top man.. He said either a 2012 flick or workin' with Jodan.
Again, I respect where you guys are coming from but I'm like but and I study comics on top of the elite I know what I'm taking about.

I understand where you're coming from man.. I share wanting the elite to fail but it's going to take full spectrum dominance to take them down.
We gotta be a few steps ahead of 'em because they're a billion dollar murder machine.

If anything's gonna take 'em down it's being clever and true.

Truth Against The World.
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« Reply #415 on: March 15, 2009, 05:58:48 AM »

Alex and Jordo have been planning on rocking a Doc so yeah.. maybe you should listen more carefully cause I heard Alex bring this up a few times. I hope it goes through 'cause AJ and Maxwell complete eachother like peas and carrots, man.
 These cats rocking a Doc together would blow your top man.. He said either a 2012 flick or workin' with Jodan.
Again, I respect where you guys are coming from but I'm like but and I study comics on top of the elite I know what I'm taking about.

I understand where you're coming from man.. I share wanting the elite to fail but it's going to take full spectrum dominance to take them down.
We gotta be a few steps ahead of 'em because they're a billion dollar murder machine.

If anything's gonna take 'em down it's being clever and true.

Truth Against The World.

1] i do not think AJ ever considered making a doc with Jordo trying to seduce people sub consciously with symbols.  I think they were contemplating exposing some symbolism and how it is used for conditioning.  but jordo has been a little off lately.

2] keep looking into blavatsky and theosophy. it is fairly straight forward.
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« Reply #416 on: March 15, 2009, 08:07:49 AM »

Is the blow against freemasonry when he wrote a story where a freemason killed 3 million people to bring about his vision of world government?
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« Reply #417 on: March 15, 2009, 09:11:06 AM »

Second inquiry into this, seriously, why do you say this?

yup it is theosophist luciferian blavatsy groupies that love moore, not all freemasons.  thanks for the correction.
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« Reply #418 on: March 15, 2009, 08:14:16 PM »

Theosophy is not hijacked.  Theosophy is the agenda.

Absolutely!

Theosophy is the dog and pony show to distract those who are inclined to seek "spiritual truth" in the occult and the mystery schools. There is no truth in the New Age. You can find more truth in a Dr Suess story. It was designed to either sidetrack you from the truth or induct you into the NWO agenda.
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When I first started reading Watchmen I was looking for one symbol, in particular.  Triangle inside circle.  I knew it would be there.  It wasn't until I saw the movie yesterday, that I finally saw the symbol and knew where to look for it in the book.  It is the company logo for Pyramid, Ozy's front company.  I saw it on top of a delivery truck in the movie.  Went home and found it.



Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick worked on the story of 2001 together.  The book released almost simultaneously with the movie.  I'm sure most people know what 2001 is about.  They have heard of the "monolith" or seen it.  2001 is about evolution.  The monolith is a symbol for the outside influences that change our perceptions of reality.  In the movie it first appears where a communal fire would be.  Enlightenment.  Kubrick's monolith is a movie screen turned on its side.



In the book, though, Clarke describes the monolith as a pyramid inside a spherical force field. 



There is an organized effort to control our evolution.  It is being done by a very powerful cult.
This cult is a mix of astrology, alchemy, gnosticism, theosophy and the kabbalah.(Luciferian)
They believe that science and spiritual magic are one and the same.
They have massive resources. 
They have already attempted to offer the world a new messiah(Jiddu Krishnamurti).
They have discussed faking aliens also.
But, mostly, they just want to kill masses of people.

Here's another book that came out at the same time as Watchmen.  It predicted cataclysm for 5/5/2000.  John Hogue is now pushing the 2012 agenda hardcore.  He is a member of the Zero Population Growth Society.  He has been pushing global warming since the 80's.  His 1987 book has a big section on the coming Maitreya.  It also mentions a potential for alien contact in "The Age of Aquarius"...



Hogue dedicates the book to...

Irene, Madir and Nadine and to our blessed mutual friend.
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« Reply #420 on: March 16, 2009, 02:29:29 PM »


When I first started reading Watchmen I was looking for one symbol, in particular.  Triangle inside circle.  I knew it would be there.  It wasn't until I saw the movie yesterday, that I finally saw the symbol and knew where to look for it in the book.  It is the company logo for Pyramid, Ozy's front company.  I saw it on top of a delivery truck in the movie.  Went home and found it.
You had to see the movie first to be able to see the triangle in a circle symbol in the book?  It's on the first page, twice, and peppered all through out the book as a symbol of the omnipresence of Ozy's influence, who represents the Illuminati. 

No one is denying that this symbolism is in the book.  The main disagreement here seems to be whether or not Ozy is portrayed as the villain.  I've never talked to anyone who thought he was portrayed as anything other than a villain whose scheme will ultimately fail until I came on this board, where a bunch of people who haven't even read the book are commenting on it.
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« Reply #421 on: March 16, 2009, 10:02:54 PM »

Alex and Jordo have been planning on rocking a Doc so yeah.. maybe you should listen more carefully cause I heard Alex bring this up a few times.

It's a lie -- he won't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIqkQtgU4

Listen to all the second half of part 3 starting at 8:30/10:22 then all the way to part 8.
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« Reply #422 on: March 17, 2009, 02:20:44 AM »

You had to see the movie first to be able to see the triangle in a circle symbol in the book?  It's on the first page, twice, and peppered all through out the book as a symbol of the omnipresence of Ozy's influence, who represents the Illuminati. 

No one is denying that this symbolism is in the book.  The main disagreement here seems to be whether or not Ozy is portrayed as the villain.  I've never talked to anyone who thought he was portrayed as anything other than a villain whose scheme will ultimately fail until I came on this board, where a bunch of people who haven't even read the book are commenting on it.
It actually appears three times on the first page. 

So, is it a coincidence that this symbol appears in the book?  Seriously...my ability to believe in coincidence is completely gone.

I understand the story.  You think that Veidt will get his punishment thanks to Rorschach's journal.  Possible.  The smiley face on the kid's shirt could make you think that Moore believes that.  Of course, it goes against the rest of the book.  Silk Specter loves the Comedian even though he was a brutal asshole who raped her.  Laurie doesn't hate her mother for lying to her.  And, Dr. Manhattan doesn't punish Ozy.  These things tend to make me think that the world Moore has created isn't likely to punish a villain like Ozymandias.


Great book, BTW.  The movie was pretty good, too.  I thought the different ending was creative.  I hope to see more theosophical works permeating the mainstream media as the "New Age" approaches.  Knowing and 2012 both look interesting.  Gotta love stories about impending doom.
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« Reply #423 on: March 17, 2009, 02:24:04 AM »

It's a lie -- he won't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIqkQtgU4

Listen to all the second half of part 3 starting at 8:30/10:22 then all the way to part 8.

Whoops lost a letter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIqkQtgU4w
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« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2009, 12:26:38 AM »

What does the dollar bill have to do with Maxwell? I've heard that all already just say your point dude haha
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« Reply #425 on: March 18, 2009, 12:28:02 AM »

What does the dollar bill have to do with Maxwell? I've heard that all already just say your point dude haha

Listen to it again -- the entire thing.

If you miss the point there is really no helping you [from me anyway]

Perhaps Sane will answer your question if still do not understand.
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« Reply #426 on: March 18, 2009, 12:47:17 AM »

I've heard about the dollar bill a million times.. I'm not trying to be a dick but why can't you just jot down a paragraph about what you're trying to say instead of making me listen to an hour of stuff I know already?
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« Reply #427 on: March 18, 2009, 01:16:43 AM »

Uh well basically Alex says the Mystery religions that try to spin the Bible or say they created or whatever else is a bunch of lies and deception -- which includes Theosophy as a Mystery Religion along side Rosicrucianism and all that mumbo jumbo.

Jordan Maxwell is a Theosophist by all accounts. Where do you think the name Jordan Maxwell comes from anyway?... he wasn't given that name at birth.

No paragraph from me -- you can figure it out on your own and I'm off to bed.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=89264.0
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« Reply #428 on: March 20, 2009, 02:51:36 PM »

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Being an avid follower of your broadcasts I just have to tell you how flabbergasted I was to the amount of references to illuminati there are inthis movie ;-secret society,pyramids ; moloch:the owl,satanism ;ozymandias ; noxon kissinger and even rokefeller gets a mention. To the informed adult individual this is all very fascinating and,dare I say it entertaining,but to the young minds who swallow this stuff like popcorn I see it as very dangerous in the way this movie(and others)supplants the young suggestible mind to ththese things are ollowing through with their plan of engineered consent to affirm the NWO when the time is right and that time, my friends,is not far off now.As 2012 approaches and the bilderbergers arrange complete control of the world's wealth we have an ever increasing urgency to inform the people what's really going on
behind the scsnes.. ama b ok arab!? any old Palestinian with half a brain could see that election was the biggest PR stunt pulled by the illuminati since BillGates got his "philanthropy" award for investing billions in population control!! thanks for all the stuff you send me.I thought I was up to scratch on global affairs but when I learned about the Chinese sale of live organs theunspeakable evil of it all hit me hard so that is why I am doing my best to put people onto the truth.Thanks for your time
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« Reply #429 on: March 20, 2009, 02:57:04 PM »

Hello and welcome.

You're right about the Watchmen -- it was written by a follower of Aleister Crowley so it is rich in Illuminati propaganda.

Crowley wrote that his works [in future works such as the Watchmen by Alan Moore] were to be targetted at young adults and children -- because they were less prone to reason and rationale.

Good luck with your mission!
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« Reply #430 on: March 25, 2009, 05:52:25 PM »

Well I finally saw the dancing blue dong movie and besides it being so fricking boring that I fell asleep 3 times, it really is NWO propoganda.

The entire movie basically attepts to justify that elites should exterminate millions if not billions of humans so that the sub-elites will form a New World Order.

First their is the "superman" that then is blamed in a nuclear false flag attack that genocides hundreds of millions of humans.

Then the sub-elite leaders get together and declare peace so that the superhuman can have a solidified force against it.

Then the elites agree to lie about the false flag because the human barbarians can't handle the truth.

Then the one elite member who insists on telling the barbarian humans the truth is exterminated so that the secret will never be told.

This is a classic justification for a snake god operation to have sovereign people give up more freedom.

Nothing more and nothing less. 

The movie conditions and justifies using snake god false flag genocidal operations to justify one world government.

The whole thing is a New World Order porno movie complete with a dancing blue penis.

I hope all the World Wildlife Federation psychopaths like Maurice Strong are proud of this abomination to free humanity.
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« Reply #431 on: March 25, 2009, 06:05:44 PM »

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Dr. Hammer.

I'm trying to get my girl to call me Dr. Manhattan.

She probably will...once she finally sees the movie.  Wink


Seriously, though...

There is a whole theme of "the end justifies the means"...the mother/daughter/comedian aspect of the story is just one example.

Why anyone would assume that Veidt is going to be punished, is beyond me.

His company is the one rebuilding New York at the end.
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« Reply #432 on: March 28, 2009, 12:01:11 PM »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Dr. Hammer.

I'm trying to get my girl to call me Dr. Manhattan.

She probably will...once she finally sees the movie.  Wink


Seriously, though...

There is a whole theme of "the end justifies the means"...the mother/daughter/comedian aspect of the story is just one example.

Why anyone would assume that Veidt is going to be punished, is beyond me.

His company is the one rebuilding New York at the end.

I don't recall anyone assuming Veidt being punished.  People are saying Veidt's plan fails as evidenced by the mushroom cloud image left by Jon's teleportation when he finally departs from Veidt.  Even Ozymandias' name indicates that he will ultimately fail.  People more versed in literature will recognize that not only does "Ozymandias" refer to the name of the Pharoah Ramesses, but also alludes to the sonnet written by Percy Shelley:

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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
A king brags of himself and his mighty works, and yet there is next to nothing to show for these mighty works.  Only a broken statue in the middle of a barren desert.

There can be no denying, in Moore's story, Ozymandias ultimately fails, but these themes are unapparent to the average(people who draw conclusions about books based on their film adaptations) and were totally obliterated by the film, and I believe that was quite the intent.  This is why Moore completely divorces himself from these film adaptations of his books.  He knows Hollywood will never even attempt to convey the true messages of his stories.

edit:  also, Sane you're a shit of a mod constantly imposing your shit opinions on thread titles.
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« Reply #433 on: March 28, 2009, 02:50:59 PM »

I don't recall anyone assuming Veidt being punished.  People are saying Veidt's plan fails as evidenced by the mushroom cloud image left by Jon's teleportation when he finally departs from Veidt.  Even Ozymandias' name indicates that he will ultimately fail.  People more versed in literature will recognize that not only does "Ozymandias" refer to the name of the Pharoah Ramesses, but also alludes to the sonnet written by Percy Shelley:
A king brags of himself and his mighty works, and yet there is next to nothing to show for these mighty works.  Only a broken statue in the middle of a barren desert.

There can be no denying, in Moore's story, Ozymandias ultimately fails, but these themes are unapparent to the average(people who draw conclusions about books based on their film adaptations) and were totally obliterated by the film, and I believe that was quite the intent.  This is why Moore completely divorces himself from these film adaptations of his books.  He knows Hollywood will never even attempt to convey the true messages of his stories.

edit:  also, Sane you're a shit of a mod constantly imposing your shit opinions on thread titles.

Luther, are you angry with me? 

The whole movie is an elite manifesto for justifying that the exterminating of millions of humans is for their own good.

It is Hitlerian/Zionistic in nature.  That the genesis of a New Social Order justifies genocide to bring it about.

It is used by the upper eschelon wizards for predictive programming to sub-elite puppet scumbags.

It is overt, obvious and will continue to be exposed. For what other reason besides predictive programming could this movie be used?
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9/11 in Reverse: A Review of the Watchmen

By Nicholas Powers

March 30, 2009 | Posted in IndyBlog , Nicholas Powers | Email this article

http://www.indypendent.org/2009/03/30/911-in-reverse-a-review-of-the-watchmen/

Early in the Watchmen movie, super-hero turned tycoon Ozymandias tells reporters he is creating endless renewable fuel to make war over energy obsolete. As U.S. and Soviet tanks race to the Afghan border he wistfully says, “It doesn’t take a political scientist to see our Cold War is not ideological it’s based upon fear of not having enough.” As he speaks we see behind him the Twin Towers.

Why this detail? It doesn’t appear in the original 1986 Watchmen print series. The Towers are digitally placed to foreshadow the last scene when Ozymandias uses that experimental energy to blast a hole in lower Manhattan. The U.S. and Soviet Union believe that Dr. Manhattan, a physicist vaporized in a laboratory accident and resurrected as a glowing demigod, has attacked humanity. Ozymandias watches news reports of tanks rolling home and missiles cooling. Raising his arms in triumph, he says this global terror will induce a final peace.

In real life, it almost did. The movie’s ending reflects the months after 9/11 when Democrats and Republicans sang “God Bless America” on the capitol steps. Headlines grieved. Governments sent condolences. Rubble was sifted for family. Flags worn like bandages. It was that morbid peace that director Jack Snyder of “300” fame was alluding to when he inserted the Towers into the film.

Snyder’s gesture follows Watchmen writer Allen Moore who first set these characters within history.  In the opening montage, we see our costumed heroes in slow motion scenes of classic Americana. Hippies slip flowers in soldier’s gun barrels. The violent jingoist the Comedian creeps away after shooting JFK. These heroes kill, one is a rapist, another plots to massacre millions. Moore wrote scarred characters whose powers alienated them from humanity. He grew up in the 1960’s era of apple-cheeked comics and said in an interview he deconstructed superheroes to purge himself of nostalgia.

Yet it is exactly that state of false innocence that Moore sets up as the ultimate triumph. As Ozymandias plots to trick the world with a false catastrophe the Comedian learns about his scheme. Before he breaks, a hired assassin  throws the Comedian to his death, leaving a mystery shrouded murder. Another Watchmen, the vigilante Rorschach, whose mask shifts like a dark fog is the film’s symbol of moral absolutism as he doggedly follows the clues that lead to the conspiracy. He journals his findings and leaves it in a newspaper office before going with other Watchmen to confront Ozymandias.

In his secret fortress, Ozymandias confesses but dares them to make it public and risk a return to world war. “Will you expose me? Undoing the peace millions died for,” he teases. They won’t save for Rorschach who storms out and his confronted by Dr. Manhattan who warns him to stop but the man tears off his mask and yells, “Of course, must protect utopia. One more body amongst foundations makes little difference. Well…do it!” Dr. Manhattan vaporizes him, leaving an abstract blood stain that like a Rorschach test we can see his death as a moral necessity or a crime against truth.

But truth is a crime in utopia. At the newspaper, the editor tells his cub reporter to find a story who in turn sifts the slush bin and finds Rorschach’s journal. The small book is of course the image of repressed truth that, as Freud taught us, will always find a find a reader. If the Watchmen were lengthened you would see our cub-reporter seized with fear and fever of the truth of this letter.

When the film lit movie screens men of a certain age packed the seats. The Watchmen graphic novel along with The Dark Knight were seminal texts of 1980’s youth. Unlike Moore who wrote to purge himself of nostalgia, we never had it. Our generation grew up in the mire of disillusionment. Sitting through the movie, I got the queasy feeling that the brouhaha over the film was that it gave our immature cynicism a big budget. The one faith we do have, even after Moore deconstructed the hero, is our belief in villains.

It’s fitting that Snyder used the Twin Towers to foreshadow cataclysm because some people believe they found a real world Rorschah’s journal. A man who stood on line with me and sat a few seats away had a 9/11 Truth shirt on. It was appropriate as both movie and conspiracy theory share the plot of the puppet master. Maybe it’s the symptom of a cynical generation to be desperate, like Rorschach, for a story of simple good and evil, a story that creates moral clarity. It’s why Truthers can yell on the Bill Maher show, wave bold signs at Ground Zero and cower others by the sheer force of certainty; they just know.

Truthers eagerly fight non-existent enemies and take pride in the very social ridicule they need to feel righteous. Conspiracy theorists never find the enemy because they look for a cabal in the backroom instead of the open air of our silent complicity. In Argentina’s Dirty War people were disappeared from a list everyone knew. In American slavery human beings were sold alongside horses and cattle. Power is always out in the open.

Maybe the failure of the Watchmen is that it’s the wrong lesson for the wrong generation.It reinforces a juvenile image of power, one reflected in internet movies like The Obama Deception that explain the economic collapse is a plot of the Bilderburg group.  But every day more men sleep in the street, more families move into tents and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs each month. It’s not a secret how or why it happened. But for many it’s easier to live in an imaginary war where a master villain creates a New World Order, just like the movies, except for the conspiracy audience the lights never come on.
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« Reply #435 on: March 30, 2009, 02:33:56 PM »


Maybe the failure of the Watchmen is that it’s the wrong lesson for the wrong generation.It reinforces a juvenile image of power, one reflected in internet movies like The Obama Deception that explain the economic collapse is a plot of the Bilderburg group.  But every day more men sleep in the street, more families move into tents and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs each month. It’s not a secret how or why it happened. But for many it’s easier to live in an imaginary war where a master villain creates a New World Order, just like the movies, except for the conspiracy audience the lights never come on.


AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Obama Deception is so popular that pro-NWO journalists are using it as a frame of reference when spewing bullshit.

I guess they have stopped ignoring it as it is just too popular.

However, I do like a lot of what the journalist says in the beginning, because AL-Qaeda is the fake terror and the elite trillionaires have created the falls flag to force all humans into a situation.  The situation though is not world peace, it is world enslavement and population control.
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« Reply #436 on: April 06, 2009, 03:54:34 PM »

Man Shoots Himself While Watching The 'Watchmen'

by The Associated Press
Monday April 06, 2009, 2:10 PM


EUGENE -- Police say a 24-year-old man fatally shot himself with a handgun at a theater during a late-night showing of the film "Watchmen."

She says about 10 other people were in the Regal Cinemas Valley River, the closest about two rows in front of the man.

Jenna LaBounty says that about halfway through the movie early Monday patrons told theater employees they heard a popping noise that sounded like a gunshot, and the employees called police just after midnight.

She says the man was from Eugene. His name has not been released.

-- The Associated Press

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/eugene_man_shoots_himself_duri.html
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« Reply #437 on: April 06, 2009, 03:56:47 PM »

Whats the film about, have not seen it, anyone know, it might help for people reading this thread.
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« Reply #438 on: April 06, 2009, 03:56:51 PM »

Now they'll try to blame it on the movie.
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« Reply #439 on: April 06, 2009, 03:58:19 PM »

Now they'll try to blame it on the movie.

 Are you trying to imply that the movie is not directly the reason for his death,,  you need to go watch more media at your nearest training facility. Grin
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