WTC building 7 report

[rustygunn]

Anybody watching it? 
The collapse was caused by....you guessed it................fire!!  They used very powerful unix computers that ran for days in order to come up with their analysis.  What a crock.  This Dr Sunder is attempting to explain how it happened.  One of the first things he said was that the collapse was not caused by explosives.

[J1Q]

But, I thought Larry said the decision was made to "PULL" the building!!!      HAHA

[aliveinchrist]

What a farce!   Anyone who'd seen that building on fire would know that the fires in it were minimal.   
What about the skyscrapers that went up as infernos, but didn't collapse.  They must think we're a bunch of morons.   So the next time there's the smallest fire in this steel-framed high rise in which I'm currently sitting, I should be very concerned that the whole thing is going to collapse.

In other words:  the feds always tell the truth, the feds love you, now go take your fluoride and MSG and go back to sleep.

[SavvyRonPaul]

OMG OMG OMG what a bunch of bullshitttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Dr. Sunder isn't even good at lying.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

[rubbertramp]

it's all true, the guvmint told me so.

[SpiritMolecule]

arent the guys from ae911truth.org doing a follow up after this report?

[trailhound]

pffffffft! just what you knew they were going to say. What i want to know is why is it still legal to allow people into these deathtraps that will fall down if they catch fire

[SavvyRonPaul]

I didn't catch the guys name, but as soon as he started to talk about what was found in the dust samples, the microphone started to leave, people in the background started heckling him about if there was a question and then that Dr. or whatever you want to call him, just the look on his face was how dare you bring that up.

And all us alternative theorists should just shut up, because we are just a bunch of dumb asses who don't know anything and accept the fact that is was fire.

WHATEVER.  f**k you NIST and your stupid report, all 1000 pages of it.

[aliveinchrist]

1000 pages!  I've heard of students making up 10 page term papers, that's nothing compared to this.
Has this thing been peer-reviewed?   Where did they get all this text?   Wikipedia?  Monkeys randomly typing at computers?

[lazarus]

This of course means that we have to turn in our charcoal grills to FEMA since they can suddenly collapse with use.

Lets all pause and take a collective suck on the government's tit in thanksgiving for this information.

[BCinfoseeker]

And what about all the eyewitness reports of hearing explosions.? 

[Dan]

In other words:  the feds always tell the truth, the feds love you, now go take your fluoride and MSG and go back to sleep.

You mean, "take your fluoride and MSG and go back to SHEEP!!!"

it's all true, the guvmint told me so.

Thats right, the guvmint wood never lie to yuu, an if yuu don't beleeve it, than yuur a tearerist!!!

pffffffft! just what you knew they were going to say. What i want to know is why is it still legal to allow people into these deathtraps that will fall down if they catch fire

My question exactly, and if it was a design flaw, than every single occupant should have a lawsuit against Larry Silverstien and the designers of WTC 7.

And what about all the eyewitness reports of hearing explosions.? 

They cannot be believed.  Are you kidding me?  These are highly educated people here who investigated this and came up with this lie.....I mean explaination.

Dan

[TheGoodFight1984]

they could tell you that it was destroyed by a passing speck of dust and the retards who lap up the official crock like ice-cream would still believe it.

f**king waste of time.

[shirteesdotnet]

They must think we're a bunch of morons. 

Yes, yes they do. And the saddening thing is they are getting away with it. I just dont see how all of us collectively can counteract them anymore. We know the truth. We tell others. Others tell others, but nothing changes. Bush is about to attack Iran now. Georgia is false flagging Russia.... these NWO are getting away with it more and more, not less and less.

[lazarus]

This is good day to buy some of these

http://www.911truthstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=7&products_id=110

Just bought 200. Remember to stuff one in self-addressed envelopes from postal solicitation mail.

[weaving spider]

And what about the countdown the emergency responder heard, and the firemen grabbing up their equipment saying " Run for your life!".

[Geolibertarian]

Here's a trivia question for everyone:

Who appoints the directors of NIST?

[Cues Jeopardy! theme]

[Optimus]

NY Daily News just came out with this story about 10 minutes ago.
Just how stupid do they think we are?

Fire - not explosives - brought 7 WTC down on 9/11, says report
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/08/21/2008-08-21_fire__not_explosives__brought_7_wtc_down.html
BY HELEN KENNEDY
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, August 21st 2008, 1:50 PM

Federal scientists concluded today that a slow-burning fire - not secret explosives set by shadowy conspirators - brought 7 World Trade Center tumbling down on Sept. 11.

The collapse of the 47-story building about seven hours after the Twin Towers fell has become a central tenet in the storm of conspiracy theories swirling around the tragic day because it was not hit by planes or soaked in jet fuel.

The building housed then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani's state-of-the-art emergency operations center and also a CIA office, as well as financial offices. No one died when it fell at 5:20 p.m. on Sept. 11, 2001.

READ THE FULL NIST REPORT

Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology spent three years probing the collapse and released a report Thursday concluding that while it appears to be the first time a fire has ever caused a skyscraper to fall, it was indeed just a fire.

"Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event," said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the project.

"Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7."

The city water main was destroyed along with the Twin Towers, cutting water to the sprinkler system in 7 World Trade. Fires burned most of the day.

Like probes into the collapse of the twin towers, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.

In particular, the 77-page report concluded that a crucial steel support column was weakened.

"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," said Sunder.

Sunder said his team looked for evidence of an explosion but found no signs of a large boom or other noise.

Investigators also concluded there was no evidence that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building.

The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.

The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.

The NIST is soliciting comments on its draft report until noon Sept.15.

[Loungin]

The building was imploded!  Watch the damn video.  It buckles in the middle and falls into it's own footprint.

This report is going to be so easy to "debunk".  I can see all the youtube videos now... side by side comparisons of controlled demolitions and WTC7 and what's this?  Identical?

[heavyhebrew]

Did the NIST even investigate the possibility of explosives? Or did they form their hypothesis and ignore data that conflicted with it?

1000 pages for a report? Another bury report.

But what did we expect? There is no way they would come out with the truth.

[Capt. Obvious]

I think they delayed this official "analysis" to see what the 9/11 movement would come up with. Once they were satisfied that nothing more damaging would come out, they releases this report.

[RickS]

It's like they don't even try anymore, because they don't have to. The sheep are blissfully unaware and will remain that way. I know. My family on all sides are total sheep and will never believe a word I say. I even pointed to the sky when there was one plane with a normal contrail and another spraying an obvious chemtrail. Could they see the difference? I got nothing but those 'you're crazy, but I won't say anything' smiles.

[Loungin]

It's like they don't even try anymore, because they don't have to. The sheep are blissfully unaware and will remain that way. I know. My family on all sides are total sheep and will never believe a word I say. I even pointed to the sky when there was one plane with a normal contrail and another spraying an obvious chemtrail. Could they see the difference? I got nothing but those 'you're crazy, but I won't say anything' smiles.

My folks are the same way!  I hate those looks...  *sigh*  I planted the seed and that is all I can do with them.

[aliveinchrist]

When studying a document, it is helpful to understand who the intended audience is.  From my studies in scientific and technical writing, understanding and properly targeting your intended audience is key.

For this NIST report, we must realize that this report was targeted to the sheeple, to make them think that everything is okay, don't worry, be happy, ignore the wacked out conspiracy theorists, they are mentally ill and will soon be send off to be re-educated,

It was not targeted at those of us who can still think, as anyone with half a brain who'd looked at half the evidence and videos would realize that it was a pack of lies.


The simple [sheeple] believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Proverbs 14:15

[Please Wake Up!]

Oh man... I am on a forum where the 9/11 conspiracy has come up on a few different occasions.  I have had to hold back to a certain degree because I have been called every name in the book for my beliefs and this is a group where I sort of need the support (group for parents with a child with a chronic illness).  Anyway, today someone on the list sent this with the caption: CASE CLOSED (yes, capitalized). 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_go_ot/attacks_collapse

It kills me.  The person who sent it actually lost his brother-in-law on 9/11 (NYC firefighter).  It's so frustrating.  Then some other people on the list quoted this part of the article (for my benefit - I'm sure)... :

"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen".

Dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day?  Ugh................. I can't stand this.

[ThirdEyeOpen]

The hypothesis of the building being destroyed by my FARTS stand up to more scientific scrutiny than their bullshit fire theory. yeah thats all i have to say.

[psychicpollution]

I dont understand how there can be examples of steel constructed buildings burning for days and they dont collapse, yet they are trying to feed people that THREE buildings fell at FREE FALL on 9/11 after only HOURS of burning. Not to mention building 7 was never hit by a plane.
Complete fraud.

[KiwiClare]

I dont understand how there can be examples of steel constructed buildings burning for days and they dont collapse, yet they are trying to feed people that THREE buildings fell at FREE FALL on 9/11 after only HOURS of burning. Not to mention building 7 was never hit by a plane.
Complete fraud

.

People at NIST want to keep their jobs.  Crooks. They are in on the crime of the century.
The story is at Digg.com if any one wants to comment there or read others comments:
Digg here:
http://digg.com/politics/Why_WTC_Building_7_Collapsed?OTC-em-sh2

[vcif]

1000 pages NICE!!!

That tops the Heller ruling 157 pages.

so just to keep this straight

157 pages to say gun ownership is an individual right (but we can regulate it)

1000 pages to say fire caused a steel framed building to collapse into dust at the speed of gravity in its own footprint.

75 pages per day in new law spewed out by CONgress

can you say buried in bullsh!t

[heavyhebrew]

Kiwi, Digg won't let me digg it, says the page is missing. Another Digg malfeasance move?

[Please Wake Up!]

Not sure if it matters in the grand scheme of things but the information that I have read has stated that the report is only 77 pages long.

Carry on.... 
 

[Dig]

As federal agency declares 'new phenomenon' downed WTC 7, activists cry foul
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/BREAKING_NIST_%3CI%3Efinally%3CI%3E_poses_theory_on_0821.html
Stephen C. Webster
Published: Thursday August 21, 2008



According to a federal agency report released Thursday, a "new phenomenon" known as thermal expansion was directly responsible for the mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7 on Sept. 11, 2001.

This study, posed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology -- a federal scientific agency which promotes technical industrial standards -- marks the first 'official' government theory on the collapse.

The building's demise occurred some seven hours after the twin towers collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, and has been the source of numerous conspiracy theories key to the "9/11 Truth" movement, most of which argue that the symmetrical, seven-second collapse was brought about by a controlled demolition.

Dr. Shyam Sunder, director of Institute's building and fire research laboratory, oversaw the government's three-year research efforts. The report aims to disprove the controlled demolition argument.

However, Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and a member of the American Institute of Architects, doesn't believe a word of the theory.

His group, which has swelled to over 400 architectural and engineering professionals, immediately responded to the Institute's claim in a press conference.

"Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack," said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. "Steel doesn't begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused."

"There are holes in this story that you can drive a truck through," Gage added during the press conference. His group asserts that thermite, a steel cutting agent, was used to bring the building down.

Dr. Sunder disagreed.

"We conducted the study without bias, without interference from anyone," said Dr. Sunder. "We have only one single-minded goal in this effort."

While the Institute said it considered the possibility of a controlled demolition taking place at WTC 7, the notion was dismissed due to the absence of any recordings of an explosion sound.

Thermite, however, does not make an explosion sound. And while this was raised to Dr. Sunder in the media's Q&A session, he dismissed it as impossible.

"FEMA found it," said Gage. "Dr. Steven Jones found it, in the dust that landed in the entire area of lower Manhattan. And he finds it in the chunks of previously molten metal [from the towers]."

Specifically, in Appendix C of its World Trade Center Building Performance Study, FEMA claimed:
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel... The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.
Yet, no study of the mysterious sulfur or melted steel was included in the NIST report.

After New York City officials cut off the water main to the tower Sept. 11, 2001, the building's sprinkler system was unable to function, Dr. Sunder said. This allowed fires across 10 floors to burn uncontrolled for nearly seven hours.

The Institute asserts that due to the lack of water supply, an “extraordinary event” occurred, and for the first time ever, steel expanding due to heat from the flames caused columns to separate from structural concrete. Column 79 was the first to fail, according to the report, which brought about a quick succession of failures in adjoining columns.

"Thermal expansion of long-span floor systems" was a critical element in the collapse, said Dr. Sunder. The "kink" seen in the building's penthouse portion in video of the collapse was in-line with the columns which failed first.

"If water had been available, it is likely that sprinklers would have operated and the building may still be here today," he said.

"It looks like they want to wrap-up this investigation and blame [the collapse] on normal office fires," said Gage during counter-conference.

WTC 7's structural system is in "widespread use" in other buildings, he added, insisting that such effects may also be present elsewhere. The Institute's report also includes recommendations for the strengthening of building codes to avoid future thermal expansion-driven collapses.

The collapse of WTC 7 is "no longer a mystery," Dr. Sunder claimed.

The Institute's full report is available at wtc.nist.gov.

Further details from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth press conference are forthcoming.

[vcif]

sorry if I was wrong about the 1000 pages- didn't mean to give inaccurate info.

however, now all of the hupla about banning smoking actually makes sense. buidings could be collapsing in waves.

[Dan]

demolish all of the skyscrapers than!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geolibertarian]

Here's a trivia question for everyone:

Who appoints the directors of NIST?

[Cues Jeopardy! theme]

I'm surprised no one answered this.

[TheGoodFight1984]

I'm surprised no one answered this.

NIST Director William Jeffrey

Jeffrey, 45, was nominated by President Bush on May 25, 2005, to succeed Arden Bement, who was appointed director of the National Science Foundation in November of last year. NIST Deputy Director Hratch Semerjian has served as acting director in the interim.

Jeffrey has been involved in federal science and technology programs and policy since 1988. Previous to his appointment as director of NIST he served as senior director for homeland and national security and the assistant director for space and aeronautics at the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) within the Executive Office of the President. Prior to that he was the deputy director for the Advanced Technology Office and chief scientist for the Tactical Technology Office with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). While at DARPA, Jeffrey developed research programs in communications, computer network security, novel sensor development and space operations.

Prior to joining DARPA, Jeffrey was the assistant deputy for technology at the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, where he supervised sensor development for the Predator and Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and the development of common standards that allow for cross-service and cross-agency transfer of imagery and intelligence products. Jeffrey also spent several years working at the Institute for Defense Analyses performing technical analyses in support of the Department of Defense.

[jflack]

I'm surprised no one answered this.

The President appoints and the Senate confirms...I believe.

[Geolibertarian]

So if NIST is headed by Bush-appointed officials, then is it fair to say that the Bush administration is, in effect, investigating itself?

[rustygunn]

sorry if I was wrong about the 1000 pages- didn't mean to give inaccurate info.

During the Q&A session, Dr Sundrer told the Infowar reporter that "the 1000 page report is right over there", and that he should read it and understand it.  Then, he would answer any questions on the matter. 

[DAVIDENGLAND]

More traitors for the list.