Documentation that HIV is man made?

[knas]

I heard Alex mention several times on todays show that "he has the documents" that proves that the government made the HIV virus.
Could someone point me in the right direction to the documents he is talking about?

[shad0wynd]

I heard Alex mention several times on todays show that "he has the documents" that proves that the government made the HIV virus.
Could someone point me in the right direction to the documents he is talking about?

I'd be interested in seeing those documents as well.

[Monkeypox]

It was "man made" when some horny perv f**ked a monkey in Africa.

 

[revolt426]

do a google search for the AIDS congress or congressional documents and read them. Its obvious that disease was manufactured

[Amishism]

2600+ AIDS Rethinkers, doctors and professionals
http://rethinkingaids.com
www.theaidstrial.com/recinter.htm
www.virusmyth.com/aids/video

[liko]

It was "man made" when some horny perv f**ked a monkey in Africa.

 

C'mon man,that's ruff! and makes us look like fools.

[shad0wynd]

C'mon man,that's ruff! and makes us look like fools.

Heh,  Just think about what happens when the flying monkies get to raping people.  Aids *and* Avian Flu.

[David Rothscum]

2600+ AIDS Rethinkers, doctors and professionals
http://rethinkingaids.com
www.theaidstrial.com/recinter.htm
www.virusmyth.com/aids/video

No offense, but that's the HIV version of no-planes. What's next? Cancer doesn't exist, it's the chemotherapy that kills you?

[shad0wynd]

2600+ AIDS Rethinkers, doctors and professionals
http://rethinkingaids.com
www.theaidstrial.com/recinter.htm
www.virusmyth.com/aids/video

Thank you very much these are excellent references.

[shad0wynd]

No offense, but that's the HIV version of no-planes. What's next? Cancer doesn't exist, it's the chemotherapy that kills you?

No actually it's rather different.  See, at the WTC we've seen the plane.  You can see tumors. There's plenty of medical journals that can show you photos of cancer cells.  Noone can show you AIDs.  It's never been photographed.  They can only show you the symptoms.  Not only that, but if HIV is what causes AIDS why so many HIV negative AIDs patients and why so many HIV positive people that never develop AIDS.  There's plenty of room for doubt here.

No planers can show you no evidence.  These people are backing their claims with research.  Is it possible that the symptoms of Aids have been linked to the wrong cause?  Is it possible the Government and Big Pharma lied to the public or simply perpetuated the lie causing the deaths of millions and making a ton of cash from it.  I think that's highly likely.  However it's possible that these doctors are wrong too, but I'd like to do more reading before I dismiss them outright.  In the meantime I'm far from ready to be having unprotected sex.

[rubbertramp]

i've always questioned the mosquito theory. how can it be transferred by injection but not a mosquito bite. i assume it has something to do with the size of the virus, but then one would think a picture would be possible.

[shad0wynd]

i've always questioned the mosquito theory. how can it be transferred by injection but not a mosquito bite. i assume it has something to do with the size of the virus, but then one would think a picture would be possible.

I read an article in a paper once a good 15 years ago that said it could be transferred by mosquitoes, but if that were the case then every last person in Florida would have gotten it by now.

[David Rothscum]

No actually it's rather different.  See, at the WTC we've seen the plane.  You can see tumors. There's plenty of medical journals that can show you photos of cancer cells.  Noone can show you AIDs.  It's never been photographed.  They can only show you the symptoms.  Not only that, but if HIV is what causes AIDS why so many HIV negative AIDs patients and why so many HIV positive people that never develop AIDS.  There's plenty of room for doubt here.

No planers can show you no evidence.  These people are backing their claims with research.  Is it possible that the symptoms of Aids have been linked to the wrong cause?  Is it possible the Government and Big Pharma lied to the public or simply perpetuated the lie causing the deaths of millions and making a ton of cash from it.  I think that's highly likely.  However it's possible that these doctors are wrong too, but I'd like to do more reading before I dismiss them outright.  In the meantime I'm far from ready to be having unprotected sex.

We can see HIV. There are pictures on every website. HIV is basically the human form of SIV and we've isolated genes from SIV and put them in corn: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2161
How could we do that if the virus doesn't exist? Besides, what else are all these people dying from?

[StemCell]

http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-1971-AIDS-Flowchart-Full-Size.jpg

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[shad0wynd]

We can see HIV. There are pictures on every website. HIV is basically the human form of SIV and we've isolated genes from SIV and put them in corn: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2161
How could we do that if the virus doesn't exist? Besides, what else are all these people dying from?

The question here was not wether HIV existed.  The question posed by the doctors in the articles we were reading was wether or not HIV is actually responsible for AIDS.  Their research is showing that some AIDS victims are HIV positive and some are negative.  Some people with HIV never develope AIDS.   They're suggesting that the reasearch conducted that linked HIV to AIDS was done incorrectly and may be pointing to the wrong cause. 
  Their studies are showing that another common factor amoung AIDS patients is that most of them are either malnourished in the third world contries, which could also cause a failure in the immune system or they have been put on thereputic  medications or had exposure to such medications in the womb.  It's showing that people who have AIDS , but are taken off those medications or given better nutrition heal and their immune systems start up again.   Basicly other causes besides HIV need to be looked at.

However on the other hand, If we could see those documents Alex found that say the government engineered it that would be proof positive that the above doctors are wrong.

HIV is not AIDS.  AIDS is the actual failure of the immune system itself.  Have we really been told the truth?

[David Rothscum]

The question here was not wether HIV existed.  The question posed by the doctors in the articles we were reading was wether or not HIV is actually responsible for AIDS.  Their research is showing that some AIDS victims are HIV positive and some are negative.  Some people with HIV never develope AIDS.   They're suggesting that the reasearch conducted that linked HIV to AIDS was done incorrectly and may be pointing to the wrong cause. 
  Their studies are showing that another common factor amoung AIDS patients is that most of them are either malnourished in the third world contries, which could also cause a failure in the immune system or they have been put on thereputic  medications or had exposure to such medications in the womb.  It's showing that people who have AIDS , but are taken off those medications or given better nutrition heal and their immune systems start up again.   Basicly other causes besides HIV need to be looked at.

However on the other hand, If we could see those documents Alex found that say the government engineered it that would be proof positive that the above doctors are wrong.

HIV is not AIDS.  AIDS is the actual failure of the immune system itself.  Have we really been told the truth?

Some people who smoke don't get lung cancer either. But 9 out of 10 people who have HIV go on to develop AIDS. Anyway, here are 2 questions: If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, then why did the average life expectancy in Southern Africa drop? What's killing these people? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Life_expectancy_in_some_Southern_African_countries_1958_to_2003.png Something must have happened around the late eighties, right? Did they just suddenly start receiving anti-retroviral drugs en masse, or was there some great Southern African famine I never heard of?
Second, what causes all the folks who claim HIV doesn't cause AIDS to die? http://www.natap.org/2005/newsUpdates/092705_02.htm

[Real Truth]

We can see HIV. There are pictures on every website. HIV is basically the human form of SIV and we've isolated genes from SIV and put them in corn: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2161
How could we do that if the virus doesn't exist? Besides, what else are all these people dying from?

the "hiv" patients are just dying from the medication , hiv isn't any more stronger than a cold in goes away after a while (this boxer was told he had hiv and he quit his boxing career to fight it and he found out 3-4 months later it just went away...) and I've read when hiv came out they thought it caused cancer now they say it caused aids...there just lying and its not really sexually transmitted only

aids is actually the AZT medication they give you

[shad0wynd]

Some people who smoke don't get lung cancer either. But 9 out of 10 people who have HIV go on to develop AIDS. Anyway, here are 2 questions: If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, then why did the average life expectancy in Southern Africa drop? What's killing these people? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Life_expectancy_in_some_Southern_African_countries_1958_to_2003.png Something must have happened around the late eighties, right? Did they just suddenly start receiving anti-retroviral drugs en masse, or was there some great Southern African famine I never heard of?
Second, what causes all the folks who claim HIV doesn't cause AIDS to die? http://www.natap.org/2005/newsUpdates/092705_02.htm

Maybe HIV is the cause of AIDS.  I'm just reading the inforimation presented.  Both sides contridict each other.  The pro HIV people say they did the study right the other side says they didnt.  Your info says  life expectency went down in Africa.  The other side says it remained the same and the HIV cases have dropped.  They also say that they called alot of things AIDS over there that were diseases that had been around for a very long time. One side says AZT works the others say more people died of it than undtreated AIDS.   What started happening in the 70's according to them was a more prevelant use of anti-inflammatory steroids that surpress the immune system.  One of the repeatedly mentioned culprits was prednisone.  I was once prescribed it myself for arthritis.  Thank God they didn't keep me on it.   I'm open to both sides and just reading information with an open mind.

Now if I just had those government documents which is what this thread is really supposed to be about that'd answer everything.

[Real Truth]

+ they wouldn't try to find the cure for aids what will that do for them when aids brings in millions of dollars to corporate research....

[TimeLady]

+ they wouldn't try to find the cure for aids what will that do for them when aids brings in millions of dollars to corporate research....

That reminds me of a short story I read once. It was called "Diary of the Plague Year" or something like that.

It had to do with an accelerated AIDS pandemic. A geneticist after being infected with HIV finds a cure for HIV, injects it into himself, and realizes that he can spread the cure the same way he got the disease - by having sex.

He offers it to the higher-ups in the Big Pharma company he works for, and they then try to have him killed.

[David Rothscum]

Maybe HIV is the cause of AIDS.  I'm just reading the inforimation presented.  Both sides contridict each other.  The pro HIV people say they did the study right the other side says they didnt.  Your info says  life expectency went down in Africa.  The other side says it remained the same and the HIV cases have dropped.  They also say that they called alot of things AIDS over there that were diseases that had been around for a very long time. One side says AZT works the others say more people died of it than undtreated AIDS.   What started happening in the 70's according to them was a more prevelant use of anti-inflammatory steroids that surpress the immune system.  One of the repeatedly mentioned culprits was prednisone.  I was once prescribed it myself for arthritis.  Thank God they didn't keep me on it.   I'm open to both sides and just reading information with an open mind.

Now if I just had those government documents which is what this thread is really supposed to be about that'd answer everything.

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-1971-AIDS-Flowchart-Full-Size.jpg
That's one. Someone here has to help me dig up this 1971 SVCR report:
http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html

The SVCP  marshalled many of the nation's finest virologists, biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, and epidemiologists,  at the most prestigious institutions  in a coordinated attempt to assess  the role of viruses in causing  human cancer.  Many of  the top  AIDS scientists, including Dr. Robert Gallo (the co-discoverer of  HIV), Myron (Max)  Essex (of "cat AIDS"  fame), and Peter Duesberg (who claims HIV is not the cause of AIDS)(One of the reasons I don't buy into the denialism), were connected with the Program.
    The scope of the program was international and included scientists from Japan, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Israel, and even Uganda, Africa.  A main mission of the SVCP was to collect various  human and animal cancers from around the world and to  grow large amounts of cancer-causing  viruses. In the process, many animal  viruses were adapted to human cells. These cultured viruses would  then  be shipped to researchers throughout the world.
    An annual report of the accomplishments of the SVCP was published by the NCI.  The 1971 SVCR report indicates  a mouse leukemia virus had been adapted to grow in human cells. A "hybrid virus" - a mixture of a mouse sarcoma and a cat (feline) leukemia virus - was engineered and grown in cat cells. Chicken and feline retroviruses produced cancer  in monkeys. Mouse-cat virus hybrids and feline leukemia virus were adapted to human cells in tissue culture. Thus, "species jumping" was a common occurrence in these experiments.

[shad0wynd]

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-1971-AIDS-Flowchart-Full-Size.jpg
That's one. Someone here has to help me dig up this 1971 SVCR report:
http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html

Well that clears that up.  Thank you for the info.  Thank you too Stem Cell I had just finished reading your links when this post popped up.  So it's a cancer....interesting.

[David Rothscum]

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/microbio/1999-September/016527.html

RUTGERS UNIVERSITY  (NIH-71-2077)

 Title:     Studies on Genetic Acquisition of Oncogenic Potential by RNA
Animal Viruses

Contractor's Project Director:      Dr. Robert Simpson

Project Officers  (NCI):        Dr. Micheal A. Chirigos
                                Dr. Robert Manaker

Objectives: To determine whether a non-oncogenic RNA animal virus can gain
tumor-producing or cell-transforming capability as a consequence of host
induced genetic modification of the viral RNA, by intracellular persistance
of incomplete but functionally active viral genetic material, or by induced
mutation.

Major Findings: Inactivation of candidate viruses such as vesicular
stomatits
virus (VSV) by polyene antibiotics has been exploited as a method for
initiating chronic infections at the genetic level.  The most active
antibiotic found was a water soluble methyl ester of amhoteracin B which
does
not degrade virions or produce detectable changes in the viral RNA.
Collaborative work done with Dr. D. H. L. Bishop indicates that certain
polyenes can replace nonionic detergents in in vitro RNA polymerase reaction
mixtures with VSV suggesting that these antibiotics act to alter properties
of the viral lipoprotein membrane of intact virions.

Newborn guinea pig heart cells originally infected with VSV inactivated by
the compound ethylene iminoquinone (Bayer A 139) have been maintained in
vitro for 3 months with no evidence for production of infectious virus.

Persistent infections have been established in HEp-2 carcinoma cells with
host-range mutants of VSV that replicate nonpermissively in these cells.

Electron microscopic examination of normal guinea pig cell lines developed
in
this project has failed to reveal presence of C-type particles or other
virus
like particles.

Attempts to induce immunological tolerance to VSV in neonatal guinea pigs
were unsuccessful.

Significance to Biomedical Research and the Program of the Institute:

The genetic acquisition of oncogenic potential by RNA viruses is an
intriguing possibility and one of great importance, since it is possible
that
a human cancer virus could be a member of an RNA virus group that normally
causes non-oncogenic disease in man.  Although supporting evidence for this
phenomenon in RNA viruses is scarce, some observations have suggested that
ordinarily non-oncogenic viruses may have oncogenic potential.  Thus  a
thorough investigation of the capacity of non-oncogenic viruses to acquire
genetic oncogenic potential is warranted.

Proposed Course:    Emphasis will be shifted to attempts to activate latent
viral genomes in cells originally exposed to chemically-modified or
genetically restricted virus (VSV).  Conditional lethal mutants of VSV will
be examined for their pathogenesis in guinea pigs and capacity to effect
immune paralysis.  In vitro studies will be continued to ascertain the
spectrum of viral genome expressions in cells harboring non-infectious,
virus
specific, informational molecules.

Date Contract Initiated:        February 15, 1971

Current Annual Level:       $135,758

This proves the special virus cancer program was searching for a virus that could cause immune paralysis.

[Mr Grinch]

Heres the flowchart, scroll down to (1971.AIDS.Flowchart-SMOKING.GUN.tif) and dload file for inspection.
http://91.121.24.223/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/

Its a good resource for lots of stuff if you go to the home directory..
http://91.121.24.223/files/

and a video.....
In Lies We Trust; Leonard Horowitz
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8674401787208020885&ei=gPylSLKMEp_q2gLV_YmCDw&hl=en

[David Rothscum]

Boyd Graves has the reports on his website, but charges $100 for us to view them.
Anyway, it's proven beyond doubt now. Read the full links I provided, read Boyd Graves's blog and watch Horowitz's video's, and you'll agree

[Alchematron]

I heard Alex mention several times on todays show that "he has the documents" that proves that the government made the HIV virus.
Could someone point me in the right direction to the documents he is talking about?

Dr. Len Horowitz and Dr. Stanley Monteith  can likely provide you with the answer.

Documents should be listed in their books and videos. See Links below.

When I heard Len Horowitz and Stanley Monteith interviewed on Alex's show recently, it was hard to ignore their statements regarding the elites creating viruses in bio-weapons labs to use against the population. Stanley mentioned AIDS was first introduced into the gay and African populations through vaccines which definitely caught my attention!

DVD: Emerging Viruses Aids & Ebola - Lenoard Horowitz
http://www.healthyworldstore.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=117
http://www.newscienceideas.com/page/UT/PROD/Audio/K592

Video: Aids & Ebola - Leonard Horowitz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA1JRA9t6Ck

Video: In Lies We Trust
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8674401787208020885

Website: In Lies We Trust
http://www.inlieswetrust.com

Audio: Alex Jones Interviews Stanley Monteith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31puT4r2FVU

Book: Aids The Unnecessary Epidemic - Stanley Monteith
http://www.radioliberty.com/baids.htm

Article: Aids The Untold Story - Stanley Monteith
http://www.radioliberty.com/aiduntld.htm

[Real Truth]

Dr. Len Horowitz and Dr. Stanley Monteith  can likely provide you with the answer.

Documents should be listed in their books and videos. See Links below.

When I heard Len Horowitz and Stanley Monteith interviewed on Alex's show recently, it was hard to ignore their statements regarding the elites creating viruses in bio-weapons labs to use against the population. Stanley mentioned AIDS was first introduced into the gay and African populations through vaccines which definitely caught my attention!

DVD: Emerging Viruses Aids & Ebola - Lenoard Horowitz
http://www.healthyworldstore.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=117
http://www.newscienceideas.com/page/UT/PROD/Audio/K592

Video: Aids & Ebola - Leonard Horowitz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA1JRA9t6Ck

Video: In Lies We Trust
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8674401787208020885

Website: In Lies We Trust
http://www.inlieswetrust.com

Audio: Alex Jones Interviews Stanley Monteith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31puT4r2FVU

Book: Aids The Unnecessary Epidemic - Stanley Monteith
http://www.radioliberty.com/baids.htm

Article: Aids The Untold Story - Stanley Monteith
http://www.radioliberty.com/aiduntld.htm

I love dr.len Horowitz information

[Another_Ron_Paul_Supporte]

Not 100% on topic, but an interesting website nevertheless:

http://www.themonkeyvirus.com/

[Novus Ordo]

There’s too many straight lines…….. apparently

Anyone who cares to elaborate on this comment would be most welcome.

[Amishism]

The "race bio-weapon" claim and documents are most likely a backup plan to keep the eugenics HIV/AIDs plan in operation. The STD factor is very important to the NWO population reduction agenda. If HIV does not cause aids and is but a harmless virus as repoted by retroviologist Dr. Peter Duesberg and others then AIDs may not be an STD, a charge made by the AIDs dissenters. The HIV/AIDs STD scare was used to sell the use of condoms which has a population control element.


Either way AIDs can't very well be any race specific weapon while it races through a very white Russian population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1043675.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3284141.stm


Claiming HIV/AIDs is a race specific bio weapon keeps the eugenics agenda going including the STD aspect, while if the dissenters are correct the problem is pre-existing lifestyle conditions, different for the homos of America than the drug users of Russia or the malnourished Africans that have always had these immune problems.


The new twist is Horowitz's book being used to stir racial tesion in the election process. Something the fascist are experts at.

[David Rothscum]

The "race bio-weapon" claim and documents are most likely a backup plan to keep the eugenics HIV/AIDs plan in operation. The STD factor is very important to the NWO population reduction agenda. If HIV does not cause aids and is but a harmless virus as repoted by retroviologist Dr. Peter Duesberg and others then AIDs may not be an STD, a charge made by the AIDs dissenters. The HIV/AIDs STD scare was used to sell the use of condoms which has a population control element.


Either way AIDs can't very well be any race specific weapon while it races through a very white Russian population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1043675.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3284141.stm


Claiming HIV/AIDs is a race specific bio weapon keeps the eugenics agenda going including the STD aspect, while if the dissenters are correct the problem is pre-existing lifestyle conditions, different for the homos of America than the drug users of Russia or the malnourished Africans that have always had these immune problems.


The new twist is Horowitz's book being used to stir racial tesion in the election process. Something the fascist are experts at.

Duesberg is one of the people involved in the special virus cancer program, how obvious does it need to get? Besides, keep in mind that there are different strains of HIV: http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html

[TONES]

whoever says it came from a monkey is a moron.  don't believe everything you hear fools/\  and yeah im talkin to you

[knas]

This is all interesting stuff, but it is not really proof of anything.