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« on: August 11, 2008, 09:49:06 AM »

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/106053-0/

The Russians believe this is a territory grab by the U.S. and NATO. This is a very very dangerous scenario because of Russia's past. The Russians will go to war with the U.S. over this because it plays into their worst fears. The Russians were invaded by the West in WWII where massive casualties were inflicted and the whole Russian cold war strategy was to prevent enemies from massing massive forces on Russia's physical borders so no one could invade them. They believe Georgia wouldn't dare try this unless the U.S. was behind it.

Russia still has a very large and very modern military with very good nuclear capabilities,they have huge oil reserves and a very determined leadership. The U.S. needs to take a step back and drop ANY interference with Russia concerning their own back yard. This thing could go nuclear at anytime.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 09:50:32 AM »

It is a big deal. Most of the world's news has the matter prominent. We're barely getting any coverage.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 10:06:40 AM »

I was a teenager back then and remembered the things that would 'trigger' war with Russia back then. NATO involvement in Yugoslavia would have been enough BUT involvement with a former Province of the Soviet Union would leave no doubt. This administration is crazy...period.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 10:11:45 AM »

I seriously think that Bush is absolutely mentally ill. I mean, I honestly think he has some sort of megalomania or invincibility mental malfunction. Which in and of itself would be nothing, meaningless. But people follow him and believe him... and that's when this kind of mental illness becomes a genuine and over-reaching threat to all the world.

Whatever his malfunction is, it's severe and dangerous.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 11:26:32 AM »

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/106053-0/

The Russians believe this is a territory grab by the U.S. and NATO. This is a very very dangerous scenario because of Russia's past. The Russians will go to war with the U.S. over this because it plays into their worst fears. The Russians were invaded by the West in WWII where massive casualties were inflicted and the whole Russian cold war strategy was to prevent enemies from massing massive forces on Russia's physical borders so no one could invade them. They believe Georgia wouldn't dare try this unless the U.S. was behind it.

Russia still has a very large and very modern military with very good nuclear capabilities,they have huge oil reserves and a very determined leadership. The U.S. needs to take a step back and drop ANY interference with Russia concerning their own back yard. This thing could go nuclear at anytime.

Actually the United States invaded Russia at one point. Look up the White revolution.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 11:54:46 AM »

We also need to look at this in terms of Cuba. Russia has valid points about how we're trying to extend our power to territories surrounding them. However, if we're being fair we need to look at how we reacted when Russia was accused of putting nukes on Cuban soil. Now Russia is talking about going back to Cuba (though the Cubans may not allow it). How is Russia going to Cuba any different than us trying to extend our influence in Russia's back yard?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 04:17:41 PM »

Bush just takes orders. Yes, he's probably mad as a hatter but I doubt he could run a raffle on his own.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 01:53:21 AM »

I whole hardheartedly agree

Being that Pravda.ru is Russia's 2nd Largest News Paper and highly regarded as a very accurate source of news as well as being known for being quite non-biased in it's reporting - it's stories are not to be taken lightly.

That said, I post their latest big headline is a perfect summary of what's truly going on  in that region right now. It also comments on the US's response and the fact they have proven US involvement if not complete orchestration  of this attack.

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/11-08-2008/106053-georgia_ossetia_russia-0


USA approves Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia and Russia
Front page / Hotspots and Incidents / Conflicts
11.08.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru
 


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US presidential runoff John McCain said that Russia should not interfere in the conflict in South Ossetia. The pro-Georgian propaganda in the US media testifies to the same opinion. It brings up the idea that the Georgian aggression against the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia has been coordinated with the US administration. Nevertheless, all arguments of US politicians and experts (Pravda.ru interviewed some of them) do not withstand any criticism.
“We must immediately call a meeting of the NATO Council to estimate Georgia’s security and consider the measures, which NATO may take to stabilize the highly dangerous situation,” John McCain said.

“The international community needs to deploy independent and neutral peacemaking forces in South Ossetia. Russia must immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations and withdraw troops from the sovereign territory of Georgia,” McCain believes.

Ariel Cohen, a well-known US specialist on the Soviet Union, a Senior Research Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, stated that Russia was planning the incursion for months and that it was intended to demonstrate its hegemony over Eastern Europe, push Mr. Saakashvili from power in Georgia and not to let Georgia become a NATO member.

Apparently, McCain and other US experts believe that the extermination of thousands of innocent people and the destruction of their houses can be referred to as the retrieval of the territorial integrity.

It is worthy of note that Russia’s Air Force already prevented Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia a month ago. The situation aggravated soon after Condoleezza Rice’s visit to Georgia. It is not ruled out that Ms. Rice okayed the beginning of the war in the region on behalf of the US administration.

Taking McCain’s remarks into consideration, one shall assume that the USA has provided certain guarantees to Georgia. The Georgian troops would not have opened fire on Russian peacemakers otherwise. Such battles inevitably lead to a war against Russia. Georgia would not dare to proceed so alone, without the support from the West. Furthermore, Georgia asked the USA to withdraw its contingent from Iraq to redeploy the military men to South Ossetia.

The evidence to proof the USA’s hand behind the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia can be found in Western media. Western news agencies, Reuters, for example, have been distributing countless photographs depicting Russia’s supposed atrocities in Georgia. Such photos along with adequate headlines can be found in practically all US newspapers (The New York Times is the best example for it). All of them unanimously accuse Russia of aggression against Georgia, but they do not say a word about Georgia’s actions against civilians in S. Ossetia

This war has given the US administration an excellent opportunity to distract attention from the Summer Olympics in Beijing, which Washington originally intended to disrupt. In addition, it would escalate the situation in the restive Caucasus to exhaust Russia with never-ending conflicts there. In this case the US would obtain a full right to enter the territory under the guise of peacemaking forces and grant the NATO membership to Georgia Ukraine ’s Foreign Ministry would not have released its anti-Russian statement without USA’s instructions either. Ukraine virtually supported Georgia’s aggression having acknowledged the right of the latter to defend its territorial integrity with the use of military force.

A for history, the question of separatism – Georgia or Ossetia – is disputable. It was Georgia which decided to pull out from the USSR, whereas the Ossetians protested against such a decision.

Georgia shells hospitals and houses, killing thousands of Ossetians. Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic used to be charged with genocide for the slaughter of several dozens of Albanians.

US politicians have not voiced an appeal to cease the extermination of South Ossetia people. Vice versa, John McCain attempts to turn everything upside down accusing Russia of aggression, although Russia took adequate measures to save the Ossetians from extermination. The USA does not condemn Mikhail Saakashvili, which is another fact to prove that the Georgian president has won USA’s approval for the war.



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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 11:35:40 AM »

So what they print is what the Russian government is saying...that's pretty disturbing if people would bother reading it.
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