GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE

[Cobra]

Obviously they want the former states in their sphere of influence, the US action is completely irresponsible. imagine if mexico went pro soviet started waving the hammer and sickle and see how long it would last. Look at the way the media is treating Russia. Russia has no choice but to fill this role because they wanted to be a part of the world and are still made out to be this big evil empire.

The USA wants to be the sole world superpower PERIOD. If that happens with the lunatics the white house and congress now... god help us. Seriously, Russia wants to be a part of the world community and the united states is making us believe the cold war is over while still making Russia out to be this evil empire. I think it's pretty bias and unfair, from everything i have seen Russia's role in this is humanitarian. While Georgia has been killing civilians, declaring martial law and beating and using sound weapons on their own people.

think back to the Cuban missile crisis albeit it was cold war but still. no one ideology is perfect but damn the world today is confusing.

There's hardly any talk of Russia ever on the news in the US whether it be pro or against. OF course in a conflict like this the CIA is going to tell its media assets to be put out anti Russian propaganda.

The main reason why the US and EU push so hard against Russia is because they know and fear Russia's ambitions. They're very familiar with them because it's the same ambitions of the US/EU.

Russian ultra nationalists have the same delusions of grandeur that American imperialists have.

[Cobra]

I simply do not understand why Saakashvili thought that he could send his troops into South Ossetia for a good session of "ethnic cleansing" and NOT think that Russia would respond in any other way than the way in which it has. I get the impression that America egged him on with false promises of support. Poor Saakashvili! He obviously failed to remember the way in which Poppy Bush urged the Shi'ites to rise up against Saddam Hussein in 1991 and then stood by to let them be massacred. Or even more appropriately, the way in which the Eisenhower Administration urged the Hungarian people to rise up against Russia in 1956 and then stood by to let them be massacred.

Saakashvili is only the latest of the many fools who trusted America --- and then learned what a pawn in the game they actually were.

I have a different take.
I don't think the US or Georgia anticipated that Russia would bomb targets inside of Georgia. They prob. thought that Russia would limit their operations to South Ossetia at which point there could be a drawn out conflict because the worst that could ahppen would be to go back to teh status quo.

However, because Russia started bombing targets in Georgia proper itself it has become a totally different situation than what the US/NATO/Georgia envisioned. It has become an untenable situation for Georgia because Georgia has much at stake now wheras if the conflict was limited to South Ossetia the worst they could do would be to withdraw back to where they came from.

[RonPaulRocks]

AMERICAN CITIZEN interviewed in South Ottesia, Georgia says Georgia bombers bombed citizens and says George Bush needs to be held accountable and says genocide is going on and they are throwing grenades into homes to kill citizens.  GEORGE BUSH GET OUT he says.  Listen!

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788/video

From Russia Today:

Joe Mestas, American citizen living in South Ossetia, who witnessed everything that happening in the region, talked to RT and blamed U.S. and Georgian leaders for the outbreak of violence.

[lordssyndicate]

Obviously they want the former states in their sphere of influence, the US action is completely irresponsible. imagine if mexico went pro soviet started waving the hammer and sickle and see how long it would last. Look at the way the media is treating Russia. Russia has no choice but to fill this role because they wanted to be a part of the world and are still made out to be this big evil empire.

The USA wants to be the sole world superpower PERIOD. If that happens with the lunatics the white house and congress now... god help us. Seriously, Russia wants to be a part of the world community and the united states is making us believe the cold war is over while still making Russia out to be this evil empire. I think it's pretty bias and unfair, from everything i have seen Russia's role in this is humanitarian. While Georgia has been killing civilians, declaring martial law and beating and using sound weapons on their own people.

think back to the Cuban missile crisis albeit it was cold war but still. no one ideology is perfect but damn the world today is confusing.

I'd just like too add that Russia is a world power and has always been a world power it is merely the western media that has painted them as anything less. Their military and technology rivals  if not exceeded our own.  I see this  direct attack upon them as a test so we can gain some idea of what they've been doing for the past 10 years. Because of the sheer lack of intelligence our CIA has on Russia's current capabilities and projects.

That said , we need to stop acting like Russia is the underdog. Russia is the elephant at this point and we are the mouse. They have a real gross national product where as the US has nothing but gross national debt ... think about that. they actually have an economy that their citizens profit from. They actually have public works programs that's purpose is to actually serve their people!

What a stark contrast this is to the United States.

Lastly, they have an army whose number of troops exceeds our entire military and it's contracted forces like blackwater by over 500,0000 soldiers.

Think about that. Also, they are not involved in any major conflict outside of the regions immediately surrounding thier borders and they are utilizing but a tiny fraction of their military to deal with these conflicts.  

Where as our military is committed in numerous battels across the globe and timeand time again our militaries top brass have stated we are way way way over committed and don't even have the foirces needed to wage the war we are about to begin with Iran.

That said, we the US of A are the ones who are a fading super power and Russia could easily swat us like the fly they see us as.
 Stop being so arrogant as to think that they are the underdogs because that's just not the case in any respect.

 I am not saying they are any less evil than our own government but, they did build underground cities for 75% of their population in anticipation of any nuclear strike. They actually ban things like msg, microwave ovens, aspartame, and other major health hazards the US government supports. They also are doing as much as they can to stimulate economic growth for the middle class. A stark contrast to this country that is doing everything it can to crush it!

Think about that for a few moments.

[Optimus]

I would like a copy. I PM'd you about how to send it to me.

Thanks.

Route

Nevermind David Rothscum. I finally getting it to download but I had to disable my firewall to do it.

Thanks for the help anyways.

[The_lizard]

I have a different take.
I don't think the US or Georgia anticipated that Russia would bomb targets inside of Georgia. They prob. thought that Russia would limit their operations to South Ossetia at which point there could be a drawn out conflict because the worst that could ahppen would be to go back to teh status quo.

However, because Russia started bombing targets in Georgia proper itself it has become a totally different situation than what the US/NATO/Georgia envisioned. It has become an untenable situation for Georgia because Georgia has much at stake now wheras if the conflict was limited to South Ossetia the worst they could do would be to withdraw back to where they came from.

I agree, but damn you have to be absolutely insane to start a war with Russia much less declare one. Russia has a reputation for not making threats. Like i said when this all started, Georgia should just take it's lumps and surrender.

[thrashbassist]

I agree, but damn you have to be absolutely insane to start a war with Russia much less declare one. Russia has a reputation for not making threats. Like i said when this all started, Georgia should just take it's lumps and surrender.

Unless, of course, they're being used to provoke a bigger conflict.

[RonPaulRocks]

JUST REPORTED!  You must hear this interview with a Florida man in South Ossetia who was vacationing there.

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788/video

[joequinn]

Cobra, I cannot believe that America would have been so stupid as to believe that Russia would limit its campaign to South Ossetia. America supported both the Rose Revolution in Georgia and the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, right on Russia’s front door, and then recognized the independence of Kosovo --- immediately! --- in open violation of the 1999 UN resolution. Ever since Kosovo, six months ago, I have feared that something explosive was going to happen in Georgia, but even I could not believe that we would be seeing what we are seeing this weekend.

I suspect that Bush knew that Russia would devour Georgia and that he was willing to sacrifice a pawn (Georgia) on the global chessboard so that he could get leverage to attack a bishop (Iran). It is no accident that we are witnessing the greatest concentration of American naval power in the Persian Gulf since the start of the Second Gulf War in 2003.

And the fact that the Stock Market rose by 300 points on Friday, in the wake of this news, indicates, most clearly, just how alienated from the well-being of the American people the corporate establishment is at the present time.

[Cobra]

I agree, but damn you have to be absolutely insane to start a war with Russia much less declare one. Russia has a reputation for not making threats. Like i said when this all started, Georgia should just take it's lumps and surrender.

Thinking about it Georgia doesn't have much too lose. It's not as if they're in danger of losing their sovereignty. The worst that can happen is going back to the status quo.

Russia bombing targets inside of Georgia is a bit more disconcerting to them but they know that they're not really in danger of losing their country.

[ramallamamama]

Israel blocks arms sales to Georgia
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28500
Israel is to stop selling military equipment to Georgia after a complaint from Moscow. The arms ban includes sales of unmanned spy planes – several of which have been shot down over Abkhazia during recent tensions between Georgia and its breakaway republics.

The Ministry of Defence in Israel imposed the weapons embargo after ministers in Jerusalem received complaints from Russia. The ban prohibits the sale of Hermes 450 UAV spy drones, made by Elbit Maarahot Systems Ltd.

The decision to cut the trade is thought to be linked to growing tensions in the Caucasus and Russia’s reaction to flights of unmanned drones over the demilitarized zone between the Georgia and Abkhazia.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livny is reported to have reluctantly made the decision to cut arms supplies to Tbilisi after consultations with Russia.

Moscow reminded the Israeli government that it had refrained from selling certain kinds of weapons to states that could threaten Israel. Russia said it had every right to expect Jerusalem to reciprocate the goodwill.

With tension rising in Georgia’s breakaway republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Israel’s leadership has been facing a tricky choice between Russia and Georgia.

Russia’s barely hidden threat had the desired effect and Jerusalem opted for a ban on arms sales to Georgia.

Georgia has become a real goldmine for Israeli arms dealers, who will suffer because of the embargo.

Tbilisi had placed orders with several Israeli military manufacturers. Among the weaponry ordered were 70 million rifle cartridges, Merkava tanks, APCs, helicopters, UAVs, fire control systems and night-vision devices

No wonder I can't find any 7.62 x 39 for sale. 

[The_lizard]

Israel blocks arms sales to Georgia
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28500
Moscow reminded the Israeli government that it had refrained from selling certain kinds of weapons to states that could threaten Israel.

Russia said it had every right to expect Jerusalem to reciprocate the goodwill.

see.. treat others how you would like to be treated and everything turns out ok.

[Cobra]

Cobra, I cannot believe that America would have been so stupid as to believe that Russia would limit its campaign to South Ossetia. America supported both the Rose Revolution in Georgia and the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, right on Russia’s front door, and then recognized the independence of Kosovo --- immediately! --- in open violation of the 1999 UN resolution. Ever since Kosovo, six months ago, I have feared that something explosive was going to happen in Georgia, but even I could not believe that we would be seeing what we are seeing this weekend.

I suspect that Bush knew that Russia would devour Georgia and that he was willing to sacrifice a pawn (Georgia) on the global chessboard so that he could get leverage to attack a bishop (Iran). It is no accident that we are witnessing the greatest concentration of American naval power in the Persian Gulf since the start of the Second Gulf War in 2003.

And the fact that the Stock Market rose by 300 points on Friday, in the wake of this news, indicates, most clearly, just how alienated from the well-being of the American people the corporate establishment is at the present time.

Do not underestimate the delusions of Cheney and company.
I don't think they anticipated Russia attacking targets in Georgia proper. Or at leas that's what they told Georgia. Hell, in reality all this means is more money for the US military industrial complex. After this Georgia will be armed to the teeth.

[dogmadestroyer]

JUST REPORTED!  You must hear this interview with a Florida man in South Ossetia who was vacationing there.

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788/video

Beat me to the post. Very telling.

[knas]

you can also just watch the streaming feed here: http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today

Thanks for the feed. very useful as a counter part to the other sides propaganda.
They just mentioned that Georgia had shut down the fresh water supply to south ossetia one month ago!

Anyone has further information on this?

[knas]

Obviously they want the former states in their sphere of influence, the US action is completely irresponsible. imagine if mexico went pro soviet started waving the hammer and sickle and see how long it would last. Look at the way the media is treating Russia. Russia has no choice but to fill this role because they wanted to be a part of the world and are still made out to be this big evil empire.

The USA wants to be the sole world superpower PERIOD. If that happens with the lunatics the white house and congress now... god help us. Seriously, Russia wants to be a part of the world community and the united states is making us believe the cold war is over while still making Russia out to be this evil empire. I think it's pretty bias and unfair, from everything i have seen Russia's role in this is humanitarian. While Georgia has been killing civilians, declaring martial law and beating and using sound weapons on their own people.

think back to the Cuban missile crisis albeit it was cold war but still. no one ideology is perfect but damn the world today is confusing.

I think a better comparison would be if Texas should resign from the states and was applying for membership of the Warsaw Pact, but some county's in Texas still wanted to stay with the US.

[lordssyndicate]

Let me point out some interesting points i touched on in my last post and pose some  questions here.

Why if Russia is so evil and so pro NWO are they trying to protect their citizens from nuclear holocaust by building underground cities?

Why are they creating as many jobs as possible by moving as much industry and agriculture as they can - internally instead of outsourcing it to China?

Why are they doing every thing they can to bolster economic growth of their middle class and the shrinkage of their lower class?

Why are they doing everything the United  States claims to be doing but in truth is doing the exact opposite?

What is the reason most people in Russia actually stand behind vladimir putin even though he is essentially a tyrrant and a dictator at this point?


Why is it that we the US the Bastion of Freedom are anything but, and Russia the Bastion of Oppression is doing everything it can to give it's citizens greater freedom and protection from real threats, like the US attacking them with nuclear weapons?


Think about that for a bit .


 Not to say Russia is good, but still  these are some  points to think about...

[Sasha]

The Georgian government is indeed playing the game of calling for peace all the while shelling their opponent.  Hitler did exactly the same thing when he invaded his neighbors - called on the world for peace all the while stepping up the violence against his opponent.

Notice in the article below how the crimes of this war are heaped upon Russia with little mention of the witnesses reports that Georgian forces started the conflict with a point blank artilery attack against a S. Ossetian position manned by Russian military.

No, mention of the reports that the Georgian military is continuing attacks on several S. Ossetian positions including the a just reported (RT) artillery attack on the Capitol of S. Ossetia!

No, mention that the reported 1500 to 2000 deaths reported so far are Ossetain civilians.

This has all the initial machina of a full blown WWIII (the real one, not the Nazi Globalist's misinterpreted Cold War)  -  heavy false propaganda, heavy hitting militaries lining up on both side of the conflict, puppet agressors (like Hitler set up to fail so the globalists could get their reach around UN).    
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Georgia's offer for ceasefire fails to halt violence
Sunday 10 August 2008
France24
http://www.france24.com/en/20080810-georgias-offer-ceasefire-fails-halt-violence-georgia-russia-ossetia&navi=MONDE - for video
Violence continues Sunday in Georgia and the two Russian-backed separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, despite Georgia’s offer for a ceasefire.

Georgia has accused Russia of carrying out aerial bombardments in several locations in Georgia while the deputy head of Russia's armed forces, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, denied that its country had attacked any residential areas in Georgia.

Russian navy sinks Georgian boat

Russia said it sank a Georgian boat carrying missile launchers after it attacked Russian ships.

The reports gave no indication which ships were involved in the incident or where it took place.

The navy earlier said Russian warships originally said to be near Georgian waters had put into Novorossiisk, a Russian Black Sea port to the north.

Tbilissi airports bombed

Earlier on Sunday, a Reuters correspondent said that Russia had dropped a bomb 200 metres (650 feet) from a runway at Tbilisi International Airport. The Georgians interior minister confirmed the report but Moscow.

Before that, an AFP reporter had witnessed a plane dropping bombs on a separate military air field on the edge of Tbilisi. Interfax news agency reported they had hit a military aircraft factory.

South Ossetian capital under Russian control

Russian and Georgian forces have been engaged in open fighting for control of South Ossetia since Friday. Most of the fighting has focused on Tskhinvali, with Georgia trying to maintain control of the city against the advance of Russian troops. Russian tanks reached the capital on Friday afternoon.


According to Russian military sources, Georgian forces have started withdrawing from the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali leaving the city under Russian control, RIA Novosti said.


About 40,000 people have been forced from their homes due to continuing unrest in Georgia, a spokeswoman for the International Committe for the Red Cross (ICRC) told AFP Sunday.

[David Rothscum]

Nevermind David Rothscum. I finally getting it to download but I had to disable my firewall to do it.

Thanks for the help anyways.

Well, good to hear you've got it working now. I didn't sent you the video, because it was 75mb for some reason. I managed to reduce the size and uploaded it to Youtube, here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

[Cobra]

Let me point out some interesting points i touched on in my last post and pose some  questions here.

Why if Russia is so evil and so pro NWO are they trying to protect their citizens from nuclear holocaust by building underground cities?

Why are they creating as many jobs as possible by moving as much industry and agriculture as they can - internally instead of outsourcing it to China?

Why are they doing every thing they can to bolster economic growth of their middle class and the shrinkage of their lower class?

Why are they doing everything the United  States claims to be doing but in truth is doing the exact opposite?

What is the reason most people in Russia actually stand behind vladimir putin even though he is essentially a tyrrant and a dictator at this point?


Why is it that we the US the Bastion of Freedom are anything but, and Russia the Bastion of Oppression is doing everything it can to give it's citizens greater freedom and protection from real threats, like the US attacking them with nuclear weapons?


Think about that for a bit .


 

Where does this notion come from that Russia is building underground cities for its civilians? For the military? Yes, of course. For civilians? No. To even think about building bunkers for 100+ million is foolish.

They are and should be more afraid of China than the US. Russia has plenty of sparsley populated land in the east and China has plenty of crowded cities. Make the connection. Does anybody think that China would be scared by nuclear threats with almost 2 billion people at home?

All this talk here of nuclear confrontation is stupid. Honestly. There will be no nuclear confrontation because neither Russia nor the States territorial integrity is threatened.

[Protean]

Everyone please subscribe to the Russia Today You Tube channel.

At least we can get an independent news outlet to get the other side of the story from.  It seems as though Russia Today is actually a decent news outlet and the only network in English countering the lies from CNN and AP.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday

Wow!! This is amazing. Unfortunately, this poor guy will probably get a lot of flack from the mainstream kool aid drinkers and may end up on the no fly list. But talk about speaking truth to power--only thing is Dubya is just  a cue-card reader, it's Zbigniew Brzezinski and his global gangsters that needs to be identified in this clip.

Here is a direct link to it:

An American is interviewed about the war in S. OSSETIA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRl3qArJO-o

[Sasha]

Well, good to hear you've got it working now. I didn't sent you the video, because it was 75mb for some reason. I managed to reduce the size and uploaded it to Youtube, here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

in 10 minutes it has roughly 40 views and will likely spread virally

thanks for the upload.

[Optimus]

Well, good to hear you've got it working now. I didn't sent you the video, because it was 75mb for some reason. I managed to reduce the size and uploaded it to Youtube, here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

I just uploaded it to SuperNova Tube. I'm waiting for it to convert so I can get the link and embed codes.

75mb's? You sure you have the whole video because mine is 87.1mb's?

I like SuperNova Tube a lot better than YouTube because they don't nearly have the censorship that is practiced by YouTube.

[David Rothscum]

in 10 minutes it has roughly 40 views and will likely spread virally

thanks for the upload.

Those 40 views are because I put it on Reddit. In case anyone wants to upvote my horribly out of sync (I blame media-convert.com) video: http://www.reddit.com/comments/6vq41/american_ukranian_mercenaries_found_dead_in_south/

I just uploaded it to SuperNova Tube. I'm waiting for it to convert so I can get the link and embed codes.

75mb's? You sure you have the whole video because mine is 87.1mb's?

75 mb was the size of the .rar file.

[lordssyndicate]

It's actually quite common knowledge for those who follow Russian media regularly.

http://www.city-build.ru/eng/u-city/index.html

http://www.viewzone.com/yamantau.html

http://www.ita-aites.org/cms/225.html

to quote the above site: "The main objective of the established Association was to encourage scientific and technical progress, to increase the efficiency and quality of construction and operation of underground projects of various purposes. "

They have been doing this for decades....

Also China is Russia's biggest Ally they have more to loose attacking Russia (the country that supplies the chinese military with most of it's blue prints) than they have to gain.

Russia never stopped spending enormous amounts of money on it's military, it is western media that would have you believe that. In fact the biggest chunk of Russian government spending in the 90's till Russia found oil and now has a gross national surplus was their military. It continued  and grew after they found oil, but my point is that they have always spent the bulk of their money on their military.

Don't believe me do the research they have already put in place plans to protect most of it's population from a nuclear Holocaust.  

[Protean]

Well, good to hear you've got it working now. I didn't sent you the video, because it was 75mb for some reason. I managed to reduce the size and uploaded it to Youtube, here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

I just uploaded it to SuperNova Tube. I'm waiting for it to convert so I can get the link and embed codes.

75mb's? You sure you have the whole video because mine is 87.1mb's?

I like SuperNova Tube a lot better than YouTube because they don't nearly have the censorship that is practiced by YouTube.

Just submitted to Digg--we'll see if they post it:
Success! Your story has been submitted.
In the next few minutes your story will appear in the upcoming stories section in the topic World News

[David Rothscum]

Just submitted to Digg--we'll see if they post it:
Success! Your story has been submitted.
In the next few minutes your story will appear in the upcoming stories section in the topic World News

What's the link?

[Protean]

What's the link?

As soon as I get it I'll post it--

here--about 4th down the page
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming

[Triadtropz]

Did the russians blow up the airport, in the capital city?...

[Optimus]

Just submitted to Digg--we'll see if they post it:
Success! Your story has been submitted.
In the next few minutes your story will appear in the upcoming stories section in the topic World News

It says SuperNova Tube is still converting the video on my end. How did you get the link to submit to digg?

[David Rothscum]

As soon as I get it I'll post it--

Ok. By the way, Route24, if you want me to I can submit the video you uploaded to Supernova tube to Reddit.com.

[Protean]

It says SuperNova Tube is still converting the video on my end. How did you get the link?

From you--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

are we talking same thing?

Digg link:
http://digg.com/world_news/Georgia_using_Ukranian_and_American_mercenaries

[Optimus]

From you--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

are we talking same thing?

That's the one David Rothscum submitted. Mine will be here www.supernovatube.com once they finish converting it to their video format.

Here it is!
http://www.supernovatube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=4231a9962e3914f4f1f8

[Protean]

That's the one David Rothscum submitted. Mine will be here www.supernovatube.com once they finish converting it to their video format.

Here it is!
http://www.supernovatube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=4231a9962e3914f4f1f8

Okay--credit to where credit is due, Thank you David Rothscum.
 

[David Rothscum]

Okay--credit to where credit is due, Thank you David Rothscum.
 

No, thank you Protean for submitting, I got banned at Digg.

[Sasha]

No, thank you Protean for submitting, I got banned at Digg.

Congratulations!  Me too. They suck for news anyway. 

[David Rothscum]

Congratulations!  Me too. They suck for news anyway. 

I'm in exile on Reddit now, and so far I enjoy it. My highest rating comment is about 9/11 Truth, believe it or not. By the way, Route24, do you want me to submit your video to Reddit? Any wishes for the title?

[DutchHandsome]

Russia just sunk a Georgian vessel

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD92FJO6G0

[Sasha]

I'm in exile on Reddit now, and so far I enjoy it. My highest rating comment is about 9/11 Truth, believe it or not.

Good deal.  I haven't tried Reddit yet.  I'll check it out.

[David Rothscum]

Russia just sunk a Georgian vessel

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD92FJO6G0

Oh boy... I seriously thought this war might come to an end soon earlier today, but it just seems to get worse and worse.