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Author Topic: GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE  (Read 181753 times)
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« Reply #720 on: August 10, 2008, 06:13:12 AM »


Police step up security presence in Moscow
10 Aug 2008 11:47:09 GMT
Source: Reuters
MOSCOW, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Police in Russia's capital stepped up security patrols at metro and train stations on Sunday following the outbreak of intense fighting in Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Across the city, Reuters reporters noted an increased visible presence of police and security guards at the city's main metro stations.

At railway stations, police were checking documents from travellers arriving from the Caucasus region, Interfax news agency reported, The ex-Soviet republic of Georgia is situated just below the turbulent Russian regions of Chechnya and Dagestan.

But apart from the increased police presence, there was little indication that the conflict was having any impact on the daily lives of Muscovites. (Reporting by Conor Sweeney)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LA473653.htm
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« Reply #721 on: August 10, 2008, 06:13:36 AM »

Tshinval, info at the moment of posting

Georgian army (have not receded):
•7,400 military men
•100 tanks
•Batteries
Georgian activity:
•South part of Tshinval tottaly destroyed
•10 S.Osetia Settlements destroyed
•Wounded civils blocked
•Bombardment proceeds

About Russian Army:
•Navy is not used on fighting appointment. ("Muscular" function)
•Air bombardments (and other blows) on the civil objects - fake/do not exist
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« Reply #722 on: August 10, 2008, 06:14:39 AM »

I just heard a rumour that turkish troops, are massing on the georgian border..anyone know anything about this?..
This is all I can find:
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/224725,russians-in-control-of-south-ossetian-capital--summary.html
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Another potential flashpoint for a widening of the war was in the Black Sea near the Georgian port Batumi, where Turkish warships had taken up station. There had been no reports by Sunday of contact between the Turks, and elements of the Russian navy operating further south.
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« Reply #723 on: August 10, 2008, 06:15:29 AM »

Tshinval, info at the moment of posting

Georgian army (have not receded):
•7,400 military men
•100 tanks
•Batteries
Georgian activity:
•South part of Tshinval tottaly destroyed
•10 S.Osetia Settlements destroyed
•Wounded civils blocked
•Bombardment proceeds

About Russian Army:
•Navy is not used on fighting appointment. ("Muscular" function)
•Air bombardments (and other blows) on the civil objects - fake/do not exist

Thanks! Keep the information coming.
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« Reply #724 on: August 10, 2008, 06:16:13 AM »

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9626649.asp?gid=244&sz=3441
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Russian media, "Turkey supports Georgia"
 
Russian Izvestya newspapers has claimed that Turkey was among the countries that supported Georgia in the recent strife in South Ossetia, by supplying the country with weapons, CNNTurk reported on Sunday.


The Russian newspaper cited a Russian Defense Ministry report published three months prior that claims over the past four years Turkey has supplied Georgia with $45 million in weapons and ammunition, as well as training Georgian army officers.

Interfax Agency also reported that Turkish naval ship has entered in to Georgian territorial waters off the coast near the city of Batumi.
 
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« Reply #725 on: August 10, 2008, 06:16:57 AM »


Russia just wtfowned Georgia's:

-Power, Water, Communication Systems.
-Industrial Manufacturing Base
-Major Airports
-Military Bases


CNN just wtfowned brain's:

-Your
-Your family
-Your friends
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« Reply #726 on: August 10, 2008, 06:19:45 AM »


if that is true then it's on!
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« Reply #727 on: August 10, 2008, 06:20:10 AM »


EU ministers to meet on S. Ossetia Wednesday
10 Aug 2008 12:16:01 GMT
Source: Reuters
(Adds Polish foreign minister call for stabilisation force)

BRUSSELS, Aug 10 (Reuters) - European Union foreign ministers will hold an emergency meeting on Wednesday to discuss South Ossetia, and Poland said the EU could play a stabilisation role in the region.

Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said the EU could send a stabilisation mission "on conditon that the actors of that drama cool down their emotions and stop escalating the conflict".

"It seems the EU would be a less abrasive partner and peace-keeping force than, for instance, NATO and a more effective one than the U.N.," Sikorski was quoted as saying by Poland's PAP news agency in Warsaw.

Sikorski said he had had signals from France and the German foreign ministry that the EU would be ready to play a stabilising role in the region.

He said Russian soldiers could no longer play a peacekeeping role in South Ossetia.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner is planning to to meet Georgian officials in Tbilisi on Sunday, a spokesman for the French EU presidency said.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LA579288.htm
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« Reply #728 on: August 10, 2008, 06:30:22 AM »

If the turks jump in then everyone will jump in..and it will be official WW3..a war that will decide the NWO...I'm preparing for a chinese Invasion of the US i dont know about the rest of you..the US is a pushover..we spend all our money on defense. and our homeland defense is a few coast guard cutters..all the money gets spent nation building, and defending other countrys...If 50 million red army troops, showed up on miami beach..what would you do?..
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« Reply #729 on: August 10, 2008, 06:30:41 AM »

Georgia Facing War On Two Fronts
Sunday August 10, 2008  
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080810/twl-georgia-facing-war-on-two-fronts-3fd0ae9_1.html

Georgia's separatist province of Abkhazia has mobilised troops opening a second front in Georgia's battle regain control over its breakaway regions. Abkhazia's president Sergei Bagapsh has sent 1,000 soldiers to Kodori, a narrow gorge which is an ideal route to invade the region, fearing Georgia will strike.

"We are ready to act independently. We are ready to enforce order and go further if there is resistance from the Georgian side."

Abkhazia and Georgia's other separatist region, South Ossetia, broke away from Tbilisi's rule after wars in early 1990s and say they want nothing less than full independence.  Georgia sees their return as a top national priority.

Both regions are backed by Russia, which poured in troops to South Ossetia after Georgia launched a military operation to regain control.

Mr Bagapesh said: "We are coordinating our actions with Russia, our biggest friend.

"I have asked Russian peacekeepers to reinforce their military presence on the Georgian-Abkhaz border... Contacts with the current leadership of Georgia are impossible".

Georgia claims to have withdrawn its forces from breakaway region South Ossetia, where they had been fighting Russian troops for control of the separatist capital Tskhinvali.  

Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili said troops had left Tskhinvali to change their location but added that forces remained in the region.  He said the pullout would provide a humanitarian corridor to evacuate those wounded in the city, which has been ravaged by fierce battles since Friday.  However, the move was disputed by some Russian peacekeepers, who claimed that Georgian troops were still present.

Meanwhile, Russian warships have reportedly blockaded Georgia's Black Sea coast.  The Moskva missile cruiser and other Russian Black Sea Fleet ships are said to have been deployed to prevent any weapons supplies entering Georgia.

Violence in the region continued to escalate earlier today, as loud explosions rocked Georgia's capital and a Tbilisi Interior Ministry official said Russian jets had bombed its international airport.

Ministry head Shota Utiashvili said Moscow was deploying 10,000 extra troops in Georgia.  He said that his homeland was facing "a humanitarian catastrophe".

A spokeswoman for the Russian-backed South Ossetian separatist government said 1,600 people had been killed in fighting for the region's main city Tskhinvali.

Calling for a war crimes investigation, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said: "In my opinion they are already elements of some kind of genocide of the Ossetian people."  But Georgian President Mikheil Saakahvili denounced claims of so many civilian deaths as "a lie".

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev said his country had launched its operation to "force the Georgian side into peace".

But a meeting of the UN Security Council failed to agree on a call for an immediate ceasefire.

Russia first sent tanks and troops into the neighbouring country on Friday after pro-Western Georgia's military tried to take back the region that broke away in the early 1990s.

Russian jets have also roamed Georgia's skies, raiding several air bases and bombing the Black Sea port city of Poti.  Warplanes also struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline which carries crude oil to the West - but no supply interruptions have been reported.
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« Reply #730 on: August 10, 2008, 06:35:12 AM »

If I was georgia I'd surrender...Russia is taking them apart..I guess the russian military is better than people give them credit for..they've basically taken over the country in days..
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« Reply #731 on: August 10, 2008, 06:49:06 AM »

http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5606&Itemid=65


 URGENT MEDIA ALERT - Heavy Attack of Georgia by Russia       Print        E-mail

August 10, 2008
Georgia Update, a Service of the Government of Georgia

Sunday, August 10, 2008 • 06:00 TBS

    * Tbilisi Airport Bombed By Russian Jet Fighters
    * 6,000 Russian Troops Enter Georgia Through Roki Tunnel Overnight; 90 tanks; 150 Armored Personnel Carriers; 250 Artillery Gunships
    * 4,000 Russian Troops Land at Port of Ochamchire in Abkhazia, from Black Sea Port of Sevastopol


I know i keep referencing this source and i know its probably not impartial but all info is relevent in my opinion and besides everyone is doing such a great job over covering the rest of the sources, the russia today feed is great.

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« Reply #732 on: August 10, 2008, 06:51:44 AM »

maybe the russians have a plan to revive the soviet union?..and be a major world power. It's not unfeasable..they already have this country beat...Russia just showed all eastern bloc countrys, what can happen to you if you ally with the united states...I see this as a major NWO victory for Russia
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« Reply #733 on: August 10, 2008, 07:05:45 AM »

maybe the russians have a plan to revive the soviet union?..and be a major world power. It's not unfeasable..they already have this country beat...Russia just showed all eastern bloc countrys, what can happen to you if you ally with the united states...I see this as a major NWO victory for Russia


so, if we will use your logic

Russia must attack every east-europe  country? Ukraine? and Poland with Czech? and Latvija, Estonia, Litva and other regimes of political prostitutes ?
and russia is guilty in everything?
big angry russia attack small democracy georgia?

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there is no russian troops in georgia
russian troops ONLY in S.osetia, PROTECTING russian and osetians people
russia is NOT killing georgian civil and civil buildings
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« Reply #734 on: August 10, 2008, 07:07:50 AM »

whatever, what do you wanna hear?...that ron paul is gonna save your ass from a communist NWO..save your sarcasm.
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« Reply #735 on: August 10, 2008, 07:07:54 AM »

If I was georgia I'd surrender...Russia is taking them apart..I guess the russian military is better than people give them credit for..they've basically taken over the country in days..

People are naive and the western media is so bias. Russia is a serious force to be reckoned with. The people in the power positions in the west know this that is why they can't and will do nothing. People like Cobra post about how Russia will leave and in 5 years they will have a real problem. That point of view is so laughable. it's like canada declaring war on the USA, what a joke, 5 years or not it will still be a joke. Russia has a 500k standing army with 20k tanks and a very serious navy as well as air force. They are intelligent, technologically advanced as much as the USA and a prosperous nation no matter what the western media makes it out to be.
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« Reply #736 on: August 10, 2008, 07:08:14 AM »


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please forget about georgia\usa-uk massmedia
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« Reply #737 on: August 10, 2008, 07:11:18 AM »

i'm brainwashed by mass media?..I dont even turn the sound up on the tv..I just watch the heads talk..I'm just commenting from a point of reality..the russians just took over there neighbor, and their super-power ally the USA.. sat by and watched. it has major NWO of power implications..we dont talk about that at prison planet?..
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« Reply #738 on: August 10, 2008, 07:17:09 AM »

Mmm, does anybody heard about new saakashvilly speech to russian president? There is smth about Russia attack on georgia, how Russia had surrounded georgia etc...it was on (guess what language?) english... russia dont know nothing about it... me to Wink

In S.Osetia there are NO West Press - fun
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« Reply #739 on: August 10, 2008, 07:20:23 AM »

i'm brainwashed by mass media?..I dont even turn the sound up on the tv..I just watch the heads talk..I'm just commenting from a point of reality..the russians just took over there neighbor, and their super-power ally the USA.. sat by and watched. it has major NWO of power implications..we dont talk about that at prison planet?..

I re-edit my posts. im nervous today Wink)
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« Reply #740 on: August 10, 2008, 07:29:22 AM »

chechnyans soldiers comming to fight against georgians. Kavkaz is a big pandora box .

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e108/Secret_Ulytau/Chechen/untitled.jpg
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« Reply #741 on: August 10, 2008, 07:37:23 AM »

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I'm just commenting from a point of reality..the russians just took over there neighbor

 well not really. here's a quote from the bbc on the fatalities.  Hard to call russia the aggressor here. Yes Russia smacked them out of Ossetia where most people are russian citizens and apparently is doing a good job sealing georgia off, but i wouldnt say they are taking over...yet

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Russian and South Ossetian estimates put the death toll on the South Ossetian side at more than 1,500, mostly civilians. Georgian casualty figures ranged from 82 dead, including 37 civilians, to a figure of about 130 dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552012.stm
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« Reply #742 on: August 10, 2008, 07:42:41 AM »

RT just reported that mercenaries are backing the georgian troops because foreign soldiers are being found in the casualties... no suprise there..
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« Reply #743 on: August 10, 2008, 07:43:17 AM »

I don't think people know what is going on here, or making accurate decision making processes because BOTH sides are heavily propagandizing their people both in Russia AND here in the United States..

There are reports of a Russian Naval blockade of Georgia's sea port, at the same time that BBC has lowered reporting on it - while Georgian media is reporting this :

URGENT MEDIA ALERT - Heavy Attack of Georgia by Russia       Print        E-mail

August 10, 2008
Georgia Update, a Service of the Government of Georgia

Sunday, August 10, 2008 • 06:00 TBS

    * Tbilisi Airport Bombed By Russian Jet Fighters
    * 6,000 Russian Troops Enter Georgia Through Roki Tunnel Overnight; 90 tanks; 150 Armored Personnel Carriers; 250 Artillery Gunships
    * 4,000 Russian Troops Land at Port of Ochamchire in Abkhazia, from Black Sea Port of Sevastopol

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CALL:
+995.775.06056 • Shota Utiashvili, Senior Official, Ministry of Internal Affairs

Now there is something interesting about this.  Russia would benefit greatly if its people and the world community did not know it took over Georgia proper, while at the same time the USA is smarting that it just lost a country it has had a long history of supplying with weapons and ammunition.  Russia is trying to pretend to not be the aggressor - while it is, while the USA is trying not to pretend to be the looser in this (which is also true)  - Georgia is then 'sold out by all sides' and the USA drops Georgia and discards the country when challenged to fight to defend it..

BBC is now having to 'downplay' the information inline with CNN's almost zero coverage on the matter.  So here we are trying to make sense of what really happened and everybody is knee deep in propaganda.

But what have they accomplished?

  - Russia has basically put itself in control of the only pipeline that supplies Europe that is not in there control.
  - Russia has positioned itself much closer to Iran, and could push into there in days if the US decides to push into there.
  - Russia has blocked Georgia from access to weapons - the US would flood Georgia with this stuff in secrecy to build a large 'buffer'
  
We need to realize that Europe just instituted sanctions against Iran, now if they decide to assist in the coming naval blockade and invasion, Russia can quickly and easily cut off oil supplies to Europe and fractionalize the coming 'UN Lead Naval Blockade.'

The Western Governments know this is going on and they are simply smarting and 'licking their wounds' while Russia puts out all kinds of propaganda that 'well we need to punish the bandits'

But the bigger question is - who started all this bullshit?  Did Russia attack itself and blame it on Georgia?
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« Reply #744 on: August 10, 2008, 07:43:26 AM »

I notice in these wars lately, they attack civilians at an alarming rate...I'm not saying georgia is innocent, I think both sides wanted the war.
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« Reply #745 on: August 10, 2008, 07:44:27 AM »

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while whatching some videos on mainstream - bevare of fakes
if the roof of small house is in fire - it doesnot mean that its russian aircraft bombing ... etc...
if u see tanks (even if they russian) - it doesnot mean that russians are in Tbilisi, or Georgia...etc...

++ need a answer on next info
I heard that (CNN maybe) had falcificated the video of salvo/artillery Tshinvali bombardment at night (07\08\08 - 08\08\08) and said that it was Russian attack on Georgia...
If its true (even if not) West Mass media Has just passed all professional and moral boards/limits.

PS.
Saakashvilly have political and informational background.
I hope he will not get military/war background
(i dont mean such help as USA taxpayers money, USA military(infantry) trainers(instructors) Ukraine/Israeil/Turkey ammo and technics deliveries)
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Russian and South Ossetian estimates put the death toll on the South Ossetian side at more than 1,500, mostly civilians. Georgian casualty figures ranged from 82 dead, including 37 civilians, to a figure of about 130 dead.
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« Reply #747 on: August 10, 2008, 07:50:58 AM »

Russia Sets Up Black Sea Blockade as Caucasus War Widens



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Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Russian soldiers have reportedly taken control of South Ossetia's capital Tskhinvali
 
Russia on Sunday intensified airstrikes and a naval blockade against Georgia, as international diplomats sought ways to bring a ceasefire to the Caucasus province South Ossetia.

Three Russian air force Su-25 bombers struck an airfield adjacent to a military aircraft factory outside the Georgian capital Tbilisi shortly after dawn, causing damage but inflicting no casualties, a senior Georgian official said.

Russian bombers also struck a Georgian military base near the town of Bolnisi and in the remote Kodori valley near the border of Abkhazia. UN observers quit the gorge later in the day, according to Rustaveli-2 and Vesti-24 television reports.

Abkhazia mobilizes troops

The war widened on Saturday with Abkhazia, like South Ossetia a separatist Georgian province supported by Moscow, attacking Georgian forces.

Abkhazia's leader, Sergei Bagapsh, said on Sunday he had sent 1,000 troops to the disputed Kodori gorge and announced the mobilization of reservists to reinforce its positions, Reuters news agency reported.

"We are ready to act independently," he told reporters. "We are ready to enforce order and go further if there is resistance from the Georgian side."

David vs. Goliath?

Warships from Russia's Black Sea fleet by Sunday morning had clamped down a naval blockade on Georgia's coastline, turning back "several civilian ships," said Aleksander Lomaia, Georgia's National Security Council Chief, in a statement.

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« Reply #748 on: August 10, 2008, 07:55:08 AM »

Russian forces control Tskhinvali - Tbilisi

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT - IF IT IS TRUE RUSSIA HAS JUST CUT THE GEORGIAN NATION IN 1/2, AND BUILT A WEAPONS AND SUPPLY CORRIDOR TO IRAN, AND ALSO STRATEGICALLY POSITIONED ITSELF SO THAT IT CAN CUT EUROPEAN OIL SUPPLIES...  Look on a map, they only need push another 80 miles and they are into northern Iran... That can be done in hours, days if there is military resistance.

TBILISI, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Russian forces have taken control of the capital of South Ossetia and are preparing a new offensive in the western breakaway region of Abkhazia, the Georgian interior ministry said on Sunday.

"Yes, Russians control Tskhinvali," ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told Reuters.

Georgia said earlier it had withdrawn its forces from South Ossetia on Sunday after days of heavy fighting with Russian troops.

Utiashvili said Moscow was preparing "new aggression" in Georgia's other breakaway region, Abkhazia, where separatists said they had sent troops to the disputed Kodori gorge.

(Reporting by Matt Robinson, editing by Tim Pearce)

http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSLA467970

It is imperative to note that there is HEAVY propaganda on both sides of this issue...
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« Reply #749 on: August 10, 2008, 07:57:37 AM »

Iran Ready to Defuse Georgia Conflict
http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=039030120080810120802

TEHRAN, Aug 10--Iran says it is ready to offer any help to end the mounting crisis in the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Ghashghavi told reporters on Saturday that the the Islamic republic voices concern over the military conflicts in South Ossetia that have left hundreds of defenseless people dead and calls for an immediate halt to the clashes.

The spokesman also said "Iran is ready to offer any help ... under its principal policies of contributing to the establishment of peace and stability in the region."

Georgian military forces began a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetian separatists on Thursday evening in order to regain control of the province, which declared independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Russia deployed its peacekeeping troops to South Ossetia following Georgia's military offensive against the breakaway region.

Urging the two sides to reach a negotiated solution on the disputed region, Ghashghavi warned that the deterioration of conditions could spill over the entire region which would leave "negative impacts".

Iran borders with two of Georgia's neighbors in the Caucasus -- Armenia and Azerbaijan -- and historically maintains a close geopolitical interest in the region.
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« Reply #750 on: August 10, 2008, 08:00:18 AM »

Russian forces control Tskhinvali - Tbilisi
 IF IT IS TRUE RUSSIA HAS JUST CUT THE GEORGIAN NATION IN 1/2, A


i dont understand - Russia had just killed 3 millions of georgian people ? (*LOL*) or what ?
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« Reply #751 on: August 10, 2008, 08:05:22 AM »

If the neo-cons are truly following some biblical timeline.. than the battle of gog and magog should be next..Iran and Russia vs? the west.
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« Reply #752 on: August 10, 2008, 08:06:30 AM »

I just wish they would work it out some how.....what gets my goat is why would Georgia launch such an offensive knowing they were totally out manned and out gunned its crazy. What did they think that the Russians were going to just sit by and let it happen? There was absolutely no military planning here in my view they just rushed in and hoped for the best the way I see it. Glad to see Iran wanting to defuse the situation.....meanwhile we got Presidential candidates like John McCain warning the Russians....news for ya Senator McCain you ain't President yet...........
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« Reply #753 on: August 10, 2008, 08:11:24 AM »

mccains acting very presidential..he's gonna start WW3 before they rig the election for him..
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« Reply #754 on: August 10, 2008, 08:13:11 AM »

I would suspect that this is what is going to 'play out now...'

Now that Russia has 'moved the first pawn' in this coming Iranian invasion, Western governments are going to go back to diplomatic efforts while they figure out what to do in the face of Georgian withdrawal in the region, and the strong positioning of Russian troops, much closer to Iran.

Here is the danger in this situation.

Russia is stating that 'Georgians have not fully withdrawn.'  This look for the boogeyman statement is what you say when you want to 'wander and position your troops all over the place - which they will do'

Georgia is stating that it has fully withdrawn and ceded the territory - which I would highly suspect is true.

But here is the important thing that will now happen outside the media for the most part, and what you REALLY want to study and look for

  -  Look for a MASSIVE BUILDUP OF RUSSIAN TROOPS / EQUIPMENT IN S. OSSETTIA / TBILISI
  -  Look for a LARGE CONTINGENT OF NAVAL FORCES in the Caspian sea, to remain there for some time.

This is 'forward positioning' your military for a coming Iranian invasion / blockade.  - do note that the Russian Military can now launch missiles directly towards the middle east, and have many cruise missiles and other advanced long range weaponry that they can call on,

 - THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS RUSSIA WILL USE THE 'NAVAL ENFORCEMENT BLOCKADE' AS A PRETENSE AND EXCUSE TO KEEP THOSE NAVAL FORCES IN THE REGION FOR SOME TIME TO COME. This is critical because it directly positions nuclear armament RIGHT OFF OF ISRAEL.

I would suspect things are really going to 'slow down for a while' while western governments try to sort themselves out in this manner, and figure out how they are going to shutter the bear in this buildup while the Nato Naval Forces left over from Operation Brimstone try to get in position for a coming 'Naval Blockade' which of course Russian Intelligence services would already know about, and all of this is simply a Russian Pre-emptive move to stop the Iranian Invasion.

So now what can Israel do?

So lets assume that the Mossad through the corrupt Israeli government  has quietly decided to let the 'tail wag the dog' occur, and launches a false flag event on a US city and blames Iran.  I would believe Russia will send a very strong diplomatic message on the back channels at that time to the effect:
  
  "If you nuke Iran, we will obliterate Israel."



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« Reply #755 on: August 10, 2008, 08:18:58 AM »

U.S. MSM is downplaying the fact that Georgia instigated the use of formal troops, equipment, air support.  Prior to that it was limited to small arms fire. 

Yet the MSM go out of their way to paint Russia as the aggressor, and call its response excessive.  What wasn't excessive about Georgia rolling full force into South Ossetia to deal with a few people with small arms?

There is a clip of GeraldMustacho on FOX News last night that was blatantly misleading. I will try to find and post it.
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« Reply #756 on: August 10, 2008, 08:20:21 AM »

I would suspect that this is what is going to 'play out now...'

Now that Russia has 'moved the first pawn' in this coming Iranian invasion, Western governments are going to go back to diplomatic efforts while they figure out what to do in the face of Georgian withdrawal in the region, and the strong positioning of Russian troops, much closer to Iran.

Here is the danger in this situation.

Russia is stating that 'Georgians have not fully withdrawn.'  This look for the boogeyman statement is what you say when you want to 'wander and position your troops all over the place - which they will do'

Georgia is stating that it has fully withdrawn and ceded the territory - which I would highly suspect is true.

But here is the important thing that will now happen outside the media for the most part, and what you REALLY want to study and look for

  -  Look for a MASSIVE BUILDUP OF RUSSIAN TROOPS / EQUIPMENT IN S. OSSETTIA / TBILISI
  -  Look for a LARGE CONTINGENT OF NAVAL FORCES in the Caspian sea, to remain there for some time.

This is 'forward positioning' your military for a coming Iranian invasion / blockade.  - do note that the Russian Military can now launch missiles directly towards the middle east, and have many cruise missiles and other advanced long range weaponry that they can call on,

 - THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS RUSSIA WILL USE THE 'NAVAL ENFORCEMENT BLOCKADE' AS A PRETENSE AND EXCUSE TO KEEP THOSE NAVAL FORCES IN THE REGION FOR SOME TIME TO COME. This is critical because it directly positions nuclear armament RIGHT OFF OF ISRAEL.

I would suspect things are really going to 'slow down for a while' while western governments try to sort themselves out in this manner, and figure out how they are going to shutter the bear in this buildup while the Nato Naval Forces left over from Operation Brimstone try to get in position for a coming 'Naval Blockade' which of course Russian Intelligence services would already know about, and all of this is simply a Russian Pre-emptive move to stop the Iranian Invasion.

So now what can Israel do?

So lets assume that the Mossad through the corrupt Israeli government  has quietly decided to let the 'tail wag the dog' occur, and launches a false flag event on a US city and blames Iran.  I would believe Russia will send a very strong diplomatic message on the back channels at that time to the effect:
  
  "If you nuke Iran, we will obliterate Israel."





good post..the russians are moving themselves into position for the big war..which I believe starts august 25th..I think the secret signal for the NWO war, will be given at the closing of the olympics...then it's time to live the NWO.
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« Reply #757 on: August 10, 2008, 08:25:32 AM »

+dont understand georgian pipeline rhetoric. there is no russian forces in the georgia. there is no attack on georgia civil infrastructure  ....
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« Reply #758 on: August 10, 2008, 08:38:05 AM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/10/georgia.russia3?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
Luke Harding guardian.co.uk, Sunday August 10 2008 14:45 BST Article history
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The conflict in the Caucasus today spread to Georgia's second breakaway province of Abkhazia, where separatist rebels and the Russian air force launched an all-out attack on Georgian forces.

Abkhazia's pro-Moscow separatist leader Sergei Bagapsh said his troops had launched a major "military operation" to force Georgian troops out of the mountainous Kodori gorge, which Georgian forces control as a strategic foothold in the breakaway Black Sea territory.

He said "around 1,000 special Abkhaz troops" were involved. They were attacking and pounding Georgian positions using "warplanes, multiple rocket launchers and artillery", he said.

"The operation will enter the next phase as planned. And you will learn about that," he promised on Sunday, adding that he would create a "humanitarian corridor" allowing residents living in the district to flee.

The offensive appeared to mark a dangerous new front in the conflict between Georgia and Russia - following Georgia's apparent withdrawal from its other breakaway region of South Ossetia today.

Georgia immediately accused Russia of planning and executing the attack on the Kodori valley - a small but strategic enclave just inside Abkhazia, and controlled by Georgian forces since 2006.

Georgian interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said: "They have started the operation to storm Kodori gorge." Asked who was behind the operation, he replied: "The Russian army."

Speaking in Tbilisi, Georgia's parliamentary speaker, David Bakradze, said he had "irrefutable proof" that the Russian military was masterminding the "plan". He urged residents to stay calm, adding "the enemy will be offered all resistance".

Georgia said Russia had landed 4,000 troops in Abkhazia last night - a subtropical exclave on the eastern coast of the Black Sea, which abuts the Russian resort town of Sochi, where Vladimir Putin has his summer residence. It added that 10 Russian jets had pounded Tbilisi-controlled 'upper Abkhazia' on Saturday, and that Georgian government troops had shot one of them down.

The Russian air force bombarded Chkhalata - the gorge's main administrative centre, where Georgia has installed an alternative pro-Tbilisi Abkhaz government. It also hit the airdrome village of Omarishara, Georgia said.

Russia today insisted it did not want to "escalate the conflict". Army spokesman Anatoly Nogovitsyn told the agency Interfax: "We do not intend to take the initiative in escalating the conflict in this region. We are primarily interested in stabilisation [in Abkhazia]."

But there seems little doubt that Russia is determined to evict Georgian troops from the Kodori gorge. Its aim appears to be to restore the de facto border between Georgia and Abkhazia - and to boost the pro-Russian separatist government based in the seaside town of Sukhumi.

Abkhazia has enjoyed de facto independence since driving Georgian forces out in a 1992-3 civil war. Like South Ossetia, it has received help and assistance from Russia, with most residents now holding Russian passports.

Vladimir Putin recognised Abkhazia as a legal entity in April - a move that enraged Tbilisi, which accused him of trying to annex the territory.

The UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon said he was profoundly concerned over growing tensions in Abkhazia.

Ukraine also warned that it might not allow Russian ships deployed off Abkhazia to return to their base in the Crimea.
See, the world is turning against Russia.
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« Reply #759 on: August 10, 2008, 08:52:35 AM »

I just wish they would work it out some how.....what gets my goat is why would Georgia launch such an offensive knowing they were totally out manned and out gunned its crazy. What did they think that the Russians were going to just sit by and let it happen? There was absolutely no military planning here in my view they just rushed in and hoped for the best the way I see it. Glad to see Iran wanting to defuse the situation.....meanwhile we got Presidential candidates like John McCain warning the Russians....news for ya Senator McCain you ain't President yet...........

You know, I'm reminded about how many times Western tools like Saddam are told to do something and that they'll have support. When they act, they're left out to dry for some greater political end. I'm not so sure we're going to see more than a spat here but its an opportunity to set Russia up as an enemy in the media again regardless of the intent of either side.
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