GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE

[Sasha]

Ok, so i just checked this Lithuanian website and apppareantly Anti-Georgian sentiments are rising in Russia. Information is being collected on every Georgian in Russia, the members of the Russian government are calling for deportation of every Georgian, because they see them as a threat.
Pro-Kremlin youth groups and others,are protesting near the Georgian embassy in Moscow. The Russian police seems to be on the protesters, side and violence could brake out. Social unrest.....
This pretty much sums up the article, original link here: http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/article.php?id=18003055

Does this linked site have an embedded translator that I can't find?  Alta Vista didn't help either.  Is that the Russian language?

[doublethink]

Is anyone else getting increasing disgusted by the continued use of the term "peacekeeper" tatooed to the spin of ultra-heavy armored divisions and air-to-ground aerial killing machines?

Its a bloody war, and these are bloody war engines manned by soldiers armed to the teeth.

More disgusted than you could know my friend. Its like calling an arsonist a firefighter. Sounds familiar.

[Freeski]

ours eyes are looking in direction of Georgia but..............

http://europebusines.blogspot.com:80/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html

And don't forget Venezuela, North Korea and Italy. Oh yeah, and Iran. Something big is brewing for sure.

[Freeski]

Ok, so i just checked this Lithuanian website and apppareantly Anti-Georgian sentiments are rising in Russia. Information is being collected on every Georgian in Russia, the members of the Russian government are calling for deportation of every Georgian, because they see them as a threat.
Pro-Kremlin youth groups and others,are protesting near the Georgian embassy in Moscow. The Russian police seems to be on the protesters, side and violence could brake out. Social unrest.....
This pretty much sums up the article, original link here: http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/article.php?id=18003055

If true, then that's an indication that there's a long-term strategy behind this move.

[Wanted]

Does this linked site have an embedded translator that I can't find?  Alta Vista didn't help either.  Is that Russian?

No, its Lithuanian. It doesnt have a translator, i looked for it. So thats why i wrote down the translation.  

[mario_bros]

No Sasha .This is russian language

http://rian.ru/

[Sasha]

No, its Lithuanian. It doesnt have a translator, i looked for it. So thats why i wrote down the translation.  

It do then.  My Lithuanian is a tad rusty.   

[Cruise4]

"Is anyone else getting increasing disgusted by the continued use of the term "peacekeeper""

Yes... they do this a lot, for example the 'Patriot' act and 'Communism'.

The use of the word patriot makes the sheeple associate it with patriotism when its actually fascism. The secondary result is to label those opposing it 'un-patrotic'. Sub conciously this is what happens.

They turn things Upside down. The real meanings of words are important to break 'programming'.

[Godsforce]

Kind of coincidental isn't it?  WW IV, the war to end all wars, starts in Georgia and is guided by the Georgia Guidestones?  If the powers that be intentionally made all these events happen for a reason and it revolves around those damn guidestones they sure are a bunch of sick, twisted freaks.

[IridiumKEPfactor]

Here is some video of the action of in Georgia.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b26_1218094003

[Sasha]

No Sasha .This is russian language

http://rian.ru/

Ah ha.  You'd think with a name like 'Sasha' I'd know the difference, niet?

[Freeski]

"Is anyone else getting increasing disgusted by the continued use of the term "peacekeeper""

Yes... they do this a lot, for example the 'Patriot' act and 'Communism'.

The use of the word patriot makes the sheeple associate it with patriotism when its actually fascism. The secondary result is to label those opposing it 'un-patrotic'. Sub conciously this is what happens.

They turn things Upside down. The real meanings of words are important to break 'programming'.

Just like the term democracy, a truly horrid idea (but it sounds uplifting!)

[doublethink]

Georgia Guidestones......wow

It doesnt have to mean the state, everybody.

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[Freeski]

Kind of coincidental isn't it?  WW IV, the war to end all wars, starts in Georgia and is guided by the Georgia Guidestones?  If the powers that be intentionally made all these events happen for a reason and it revolves around those damn guidestones they sure are a bunch of sick, twisted freaks.

And don't forget, they've been in cahoots for THOUSANDS of years. It's the way it's always been and the American War For Independence was clearly just the first serious attempt at liberty. Are we due for another?

[Sub-X]

Georgia: Russia enters into 'war' in South Ossetia
Telegraph
9 August 2008

Over 1,300 people are reported dead after Russian forces responded to a Georgian attack on rebels in the breakaway province of South Ossetia by mounting a full scale invasion.

Columns of Russian tanks plunged the two neighbours into war as they filed into South Ossetia, marking the Kremlin's first military assault on foreign soil since the Soviet Union's Afghanistan intevention, which ended in 1989.

Russian tanks rolled towards the capital of South Ossetia and fighters bombed Georgian air bases after Georgia launched attacks on rebels in the breakaway region. South Ossetia won de-facto independence in a war which ended in 1992 but has been a source of tension ever since, along with Abkhazia, another separatist region.

Russian peacekeepers have suffered 12 dead and 150 wounded, the peacekeeping forces were quoted as saying by Russian news agencies, while over 1300 civilians are reported to have been killed.

"Now our peacekeepers are waging a fierce battle with regular forces from the Georgian army in the southern region of Tskhinvali," a representative of the Russian force was quoted as saying by Interfax.

Reports last night claimed that Russia had started to bomb civil and economic infrastructure, including the Black Sea port of Poti and the military base at Senaki. Between 8 and 11 Russian jets reportedly hit container tanks and a shipbuilding plant at the port.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia.

"It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."

The confrontation between the two countries deepened in April when Nato promised that Georgia would be allowed to join - although no clear timetable was offered.

The European Union was trying to secure a ceasefire in the pro-Russian enclave. The United States and the EU sent a joint delegation to the region in a bid to halt the fighting, while Nato called for an immediate end to the clashes and for direct talks between Russia and Georgia.

Any ceasefire would be unlikely to hold. Hours after President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia, a devoutly pro-Western leader, declared a unilateral ceasefire on Thursday night, his forces began an artillery barrage against Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital.

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games. Many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President George W Bush, were in Beijing watching the opening ceremony.

Mr Putin declared: "War has started." Victor Dolidze, Georgia's ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said: "If this is not war, then I wonder what it is."

Mr Dolidze told the OSCE's permanent council in Vienna that Russian forces had been bombing Georgian territory since the morning, according to a diplomat who attended the 45-minute meeting.

Vladimir Voronkov, Russia's representative, told the assembly that "the true story is very different." He accused the Georgian side of launching a massive attack in defiance of diplomatic efforts.

As the roar of warplanes and the explosion of heavy shells sounded outside Tskhinvali, Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, accused the Georgians of driving people from their homes.

"We are receiving reports that a policy of ethnic cleansing was being conducted in villages in South Ossetia, the number of refugees is climbing, the panic is growing, people are trying to save their lives," he said in televised remarks from the ministry.

Georgia, which would be hugely outnumbered in an all-out confrontation with Russia, said that it had control of the capital, but there were reports of Russian tanks on the outskirts and that Georgian forces had started to retreat.

Georgia will withdraw 1,000 soldiers from its military contingent of around 2,000 troops in Iraq to help in the fighting against South Ossetian separatist rebels, a top Georgian official said.

Georgia has asked the US military to provide aircraft to move Georgian troops home from Iraq as fighting rages in Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia region, a US military official said Friday.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called on Russia to withdraw its troops from Georgia.

"The United States calls for an immediate ceasefire to the armed conflict in Georgia's region of South Ossetia," Rice said in a statement.

"We call on Russia to cease attacks on Georgia by aircraft and missiles, respect Georgia's territorial integrity, and withdraw its ground combat forces from Georgian soil," she said.

The United States is working actively with its European allies to launch international mediation to end the crisis and senior US officials have spoken with the parties in the conflict, she added.

A spokesman for EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana: "We repeat our message to all parties to immediately stop the violence."

In Washington, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said the US was sending an envoy to the region "to engage with the parties in the conflict".

[GoodBush]

Georgia Guidestones......wow

It doesnt have to mean the state, everybody.

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[Sasha]

interesting data pict:



part of a mega post in the MySpace BBS - no date attached

[Optimus]

Russia Sends Note to Nato Countries Over Georgian Aggression Against S. Ossetia
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2495749&title=Russia_Sends_Note_to.html
By: iStockAnalyst   Friday, August 08, 2008 7:55 PM

BRUSSELS. Aug 8 (Interfax) - Russian envoy to NATO Dmitry Rozogin has sent an official note to the representations of the NATO countries in Brussels due to Georgia's aggression against South Ossetia.
 
Russia has already begun consultations with the ambassadors of the NATO countries and consultations with NATO military representatives will be held tomorrow," Rogozin told Interfax on Friday.

"We will caution them against continuing to further support of [Georgian President Mikheil] Saakashvili," he said.

It is absolutely obvious that Georgia has taken an aggressive action today, he said.

"Saakashvili, with moral support from Georgia's foreign sponsors, decided to begin aggression. And what we have today is open aggression, which is accompanied by a large-scale propaganda war," Rogozin said.

Georgia is acting with "powerful propaganda support from the West," Rogozin said.

[Freeski]

Amazing to look at a map of Iran's neighbours. And look at the naval base opportunities. Amazing. Let the poppies flow!

[Optimus]

Georgia Wipes Five S. Ossetian Settlements Out - Envoy
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2495762&title=Georgia_Wipes_Five_S.html
By: iStockAnalyst   Friday, August 08, 2008 7:55 PM

MOSCOW. Aug 8 (Interfax) - Georgia has adopted scorched earth tactics in South Ossetia, and five South Ossetian settlements have been wiped out along the border with Georgia, Dmitry Medoyev, the South Ossetian envoy to Russia, told a press conference at the Interfax head office in Moscow.
 
"Tbilisi has adopted scorched earth tactics, five settlements in South Ossetia, that were on the border with Georgia, have been wiped off the face of the Earth. They are currently being flattened by tanks," Medoyev said.

[trailhound]

So what the hell is Saakashvili waiting for? All Russia wants is for Georgia to retreat to it's positions before the war. Is Georgia just headed by an idiot or something?

 Georgia definitively acting like they got backers in this fight, if not it would be stupid to resist unless you just have a death wish.

[Freeski]

Georgia Wipes Five S. Ossetian Settlements Out - Envoy
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2495762&title=Georgia_Wipes_Five_S.html
By: iStockAnalyst   Friday, August 08, 2008 7:55 PM

MOSCOW. Aug 8 (Interfax) - Georgia has adopted scorched earth tactics in South Ossetia, and five South Ossetian settlements have been wiped out along the border with Georgia, Dmitry Medoyev, the South Ossetian envoy to Russia, told a press conference at the Interfax head office in Moscow.
 
"Tbilisi has adopted scorched earth tactics, five settlements in South Ossetia, that were on the border with Georgia, have been wiped off the face of the Earth. They are currently being flattened by tanks," Medoyev said.

Every stinking government official who would enact war on innocent people for any reason are nothing less than the scum of the earth.

[doublethink]

Every stinking government official who would enact war on innocent people for any reason are nothing less than the scum of the earth.

Scum is too nice a word.

[Freeski]

Scum is too nice a word.

How about scumsucking maggot assholes?

[birgit]

How about scumsucking maggot assholes?

please do not hold back.Tell how we really feel!!!!!!!
No need to sugar coat  the description..

[Sasha]

How about scumsucking maggot assholes?

+1

[Sub-X]

How about scumsucking maggot assholes?

You would be giving scumsucking maggot arseholes a bad name.

[Chocolaty]

How about scumsucking maggot assholes?

There's also the high road... because insults as such are utterly unproductive and deplorable.

[doublethink]

You would be giving scumsucking maggot arseholes a bad name.

lmao, literally

[doublethink]

well obviously Edwards sex scandal is more important than war, in which thousands of people are dying right now.

[Wanted]

UN still unable to agree call for South Ossetia ceasefire
http://news.smh.com.au/world/un-still-unable-to-agree-call-for-south-ossetia-ceasefire-20080809-3shy.html

The UN Security Council failed yet again to agree on a call for an immediate truce in the worsening fighting in Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia enclave but agreed to make another attempt Saturday.

At Georgia's request, the 15-member council held a second emergency meeting to try to defuse mounting tension after Russian tanks and troops surged into South Ossetia to repel a Georgian offensive to reclaim the breakaway region amid fighting said to have left hundreds dead.

"Some members of the council need more time ...This negotiation has not come to a halt tonight and will be resumed tomorrow (Saturday)," Belgium's UN envoy Jan Grauls, the council chair this month, said as he emerged from hours of closed-door consultations.

"The expectation around the world is for a ceasefire, for an end to use of (Russian) aerial bombing, missile attacks, use of combat forces,¨ US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters. "The time has come to cease these attacks."

But he said that his Russian counterpart Vitaly Churkin also insisted on "the restoration of the status quo ante" that prevailed before Thursday's Georgian offensive .

Diplomats said a Belgian-drafted compromise statement also urges the warring sides to "show restraint and to refrain from any further acts of violence or force," calls for respect by the parties of past accords and for the provision of humanitarian aid to the victims.

As he did during an overnight debate that also proved inconclusive, Churkin again insisted on the need for Tbilisi to agree to a formal renunciation of the use of force by either side.

Tbilisi was entirely to blame for the escalation and was continuing "its treacherous attacks" on South Ossetia "with the connivance of a number of Security Council members," the Russian envoy said.

"A humanitarian catastrophe is in the offing," he added as he accused Georgia of "gross violations of humanitarian law," including reports of ethnic cleansing and attacks on civilians.

Earlier Friday, Russia's defense ministry said more than 10 of its troops deployed in South Ossetia had been killed amid the Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, according to Russian news agencies.

"We will not allow to go unpunished the deaths of our compatriots," Churkin warned as he said Moscow was rushing relief to thousands of South Ossetians fleeing the fighting.

"Historically Russia was and will remain the guarantor of the security of the people of the Caucasus," he added.

Britain's deputy ambassador Karen Pierce made clear that "humanitarian assistance cannot be used as a pretext for the presence of non-Georgian troops."

Georgian Ambassador Irakli Alasania said his country was acting in "self-defense" and charged that Russia "started a full-scale military invasion" of his country and had even sent strategic bombers to strike targets across Georgia.

He also accused Moscow of "openly challenging the international community" and demanded an immediate end to its "criminal acts."

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, whose country currently holds the rotating EU presidency, is "in contact with all the protagonists in the crisis" to try to obtain a ceasefire, his ministry said Friday.

Khalilzad urged "the parties to show the utmost restraint and refrain from actions that would further inflame the situation."

The Security Council had met for several hours overnight at Moscow's request but failed to agree on a Russian statement that would have called on Georgian troops and their separatist foes to renounce the use of force.

Meanwhile the European Union, France, the United States, Britain and NATO pressed for an immediate end to the violence in South Ossetia.

South Ossetia broke from Georgia in the early 1990s and has since been a constant source of friction between Tbilisi and Moscow.

The Tbilisi government accuses Russia of wanting to take over the province, and launched its new assault in an apparent bid to stamp its authority on South Ossetia.

In recent months, Moscow and Tbilisi have sparred repeatedly over South Ossetia and another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia.

[Sub-X]

There's also the high road... because insults as such are utterly unproductive and deplorable.

It's called "VENTING",or it's back to watching the news on TV and shouting at it  

[doublethink]

take it outside?

[Wanted]

All-out war in Georgia
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=225874&Sn=WORL&IssueID=31142


DZHAVA, Georgia: Russia sent columns of tanks and reportedly bombed Georgian air bases yesterday after Georgia launched a major military offensive to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, threatening to ignite a broader conflict.

Hundreds of civilians were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won defacto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992.

Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia.

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, were in Beijing.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor.

Diplomats called for two emergency sessions of the UN Security Council to prevent an all-out war.

The leader of South Ossetia's rebel government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught.

Ten Russian peacekeepers were killed and 30 wounded when their barracks were hit in Georgian shelling, said a Russian Ground Forces spokesman.

Georgia's Foreign Ministry accused Russian aircraft of bombing two military air bases, inflicting casualties and destroying aircraft.

Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev vowed that Moscow will protect its citizens.

Russia's Defense Ministry denounced the attack as a "dirty adventure".

The US meanwhile, pledged its support for the territorial integrity of Georgia. Georgia, a staunch US ally, has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the US and Britain.

But Saakashvili said that the troops would be called home in the face of the South Ossetia fighting. Georgia has asked the US military to provide aircraft to move troops home.

"We call for an immediate cease-fire," a White House spokeswoman said. "We urge all parties, Georgians, South Ossetians and Russians, to de-escalate the tension and avoid conflict."

The EU, the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe and US are sending a joint delegation to Georgia in a bid to seek a ceasefire in South Ossetia.

[Sub-X]

Venting is cursing?

Yeah,I do a lot of that too 

[Aerioch]

So far, I am of the opinion that Georgia was being supported by the U.S. in the hopes of "Economic Colonialism"
In the form of military training, equipment, and political structure.  Israel joined the team as well, due to similar interests.

Russia saw this as an potential long-term threat and began to resist efforts of Georgia to enter into the E.U. & U.N.

Russia taking the insane steps of bombing the Georgian Capitol, and seaports is freaking heavy-handed.  Georgia declaring Marshall Law within the first 24hours is a drastic step as well.  The United States flying military aircraft into the area is dicey at best.  This is the perfect set-up to pull us into the conflict.  If something happens to a C-130 transport fully loaded with American citizens, then the drums will sound.  

The hardest part to accept is that Georgia could well have started this via moving into the rebel area, thinking that the U.S. had its back. Bush himself made a trip there recently, and we were training their military. Would Georgia, and the U.S. really under estimate the Russian response to attempting to annex the break-away region? Leaving them running around caught with their pants at their ankles?

This is where something doesn't fit...

How did military confrontation really start? That's going to be hard to prove.  If we can gather some truth from the actions of the people who resist the calls for peace the most, that might point toward the true aggressor between the two.

It is just hard to accept that even if BushCo. wanted to further "The Grand Chessboard" plan, they would tip their hand this easy.

[Wanted]

This is where something doesn't fit...

How did military confrontation really start? That's going to be hard to prove.  If we can gather some truth from the actions of the people who resist the calls for peace the most, that might point toward the true aggressor between the two.

It is just hard to accept that even if BushCo. wanted to further "The Grand Chessboard" plan, they would tip their hand this easy

My guess the Russian backed S. Ossetian rebels.

[Sasha]

UN council at stalemate on Georgia-South Ossetia
AP
By JOHN HEILPRIN
updated 41 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS - Russia and Georgia accused each other of "ethnic cleansing" as the U.N. Security Council met in two tense emergency sessions Friday to head off all-out war between Russia, Georgia and the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia.

The last-ditch negotiations came just 12 hours apart in response to Georgian troops launching a major military offensive to regain control of separatist South Ossetia. The first meeting lasted three hours, ending at 2 a.m. Friday in New York, and the second session broke off in a stalemate Friday night.

Council members planned to pick up the negotiations and possibly meet again for a third time over the weekend.

Just hours after Russia called that first meeting and failed to win backing for its proposed council statement that Georgia and South Ossetia should "renounce the use of force," Russian tanks rumbled into Georgia in a furious response.

The 15-nation council met again Friday afternoon at the request of Georgia's ambassador, Irakli Alasania, who cited in a letter the urgent need to protect the "threatened independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia."

Alasania said his nation was ready to accept an immediate cease-fire. Turning to Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, Alasania demanded: "Are you ready to stop the fighter jets who are in the air? ... They're about to bomb the civilian population. What are we going to do?"

The second meeting focused on a Belgian-drafted proposal that would have had the council call for "the immediate restoration of the status quo ante before violence erupted and cessation of hostilities." Belgium holds the security council presidency this month.

Churkin and Alasania heatedly accused each other's nations of "ethnic cleansing" at the later meeting.

Churkin noted that "there are reports about ethnic cleansing in villages of South Ossetia. The population is panicking, and the number of refugees is increasing. ... A humanitarian catastrophe is in the offing. And here Tbilisi is using the tactic of scorched earth."

Alasania countered that "it is the Russian Federation who really was supporting and is supporting militarily the regime in Tskhinvali and Sukhumi who are the perpetrators of the ethnic cleansing."

That angered Churkin, who said ethnic cleansing was a "quite clear" term for what Georgia was doing. "How else can we describe this when over this day, practically these 7,000 people who are living in these towns are being destroyed?" he said. "How can you unleash this kind of slaughter, this carnage?"

Alasania replied that it was the Russian president's "decisions to legitimize the separatists' regimes who were perpetrators of the ethnic cleansing, this is very concerning."

Underlying the standoff was a test of wills between Russia and the United States, two of the council's five permanent members with veto power. The others are Britain, China and France.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad called on Russia to back off and all sides to quit fighting, saying the U.S. was deeply concerned about the introduction of additional Russian forces into South Ossetia Friday and by Russian air and missile attacks against Georgia."

"This raises serious concerns about the commitment of Russia to respect Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as questions about ultimate Russian intentions and objectives," he said.

Churkin countered that the "aggression" occurred in part because of the "connivance" of council members such as the U.S. and Britain who failed to go along with the Russian-drafted proposal for a council statement at the first meeting early Friday morning.

Churkin also became testy at the latter meeting when Khalilzad noted that Churkin, unlike Alasania, had not called for an immediate ceasefire.

"You can't just get away with slogans," Churkin said.

[Sasha]

If they're pointing at eachother and yelling 'Genocide' , this thing is not gonna cool down for quite some time.

[Optimus]

Okay, so if it's too important than don't start your trolling again, you just made a blank accusation against me.

This is only true in your mind. You haven't been able to quote any attacks you alledge I made against you. On the other hand you lampooned me for my opinion. This thread doesn't give any credance to your statement as you've just 'attacked' me without any basis once again.

The only one between the two of you acting like an adult is Wanted. She is right this is an important thread and was willing to call a truce to preserve it's integrity. But you decide to come back and antagonize her with this BS!

Grow up and DO NOT LET THIS THREAD END UP IN THE MEMORY HOLE OVER A PETTY ARGUEMENT!

There is a war going on and innocent men, women and children are DIEING. This thread has 11 pages of great info and discussion so do not turn it into trash talk, OK!