GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE

[Dok]

World War IV anyone?

When was WW III??

[David Rothscum]

Georgia says it has lost sections of South Ossetia capital
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gBUz-0G8S6qhgykA4kPbXI_VGWXg
1 hour ago

TBILISI (AFP) — Georgia has lost control of parts of the South Ossetian rebel capital of Tskhinvali amid Russian bombardment, a spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry said, after earlier claiming control of the city.

"Russian armed forces are bombarding Tskhinvali," the spokesman, Shota Utiashvili, told AFP in Tbilisi.

"We have lost control over some parts of the city," he added.

Separatist forces have begun to retake the city, the leader of South Ossetia's unrecognised government Eduard Kokoity was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency.

"The fourth batallion of the South Ossetian army, responsible for the southern side of Tskhinvali's defences, has begun forcing out Georgian troops from this part of the city," Kokoity said.

He added that "hundreds of civilians" had been killed in Tskhinvali.

[Biggs]

from the BBC

Russian tanks have entered the capital of Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia, says Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.

which means given that Georgian forces have alredy overrun the city, that the two armies are now face to face inside the city, so they either step back now, as in now now, or they will have a bloody fight inside a city which is not either of theirs.

[Wanted]

US military trainers not involved in Georgia conflict: military  

1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US military trainers based in Georgia are not involved in the hostilities between Russian and Georgian forces in breakaway South Ossetia, US military officials said Friday.

"They are not involved in any way in this conflict between the Russian military and the Georgian military," said Lieutenant Colonel John Dorrian, a spokesman for the US European Command.

"We have upwards of 100 military trainers who are in Georgia now. We've been able to account for all of them," he told AFP.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said there were no plans to redeploy the estimated 130 US troops and civilian contractors, who he said were stationed in the area around Tblisi.

The US Defense Department has been in contact with Georgian officials over the situation, but the Georgians have made no requests for assistance, Whitman said.

"We have forces in Georgia, so obviously the secretary is interested in the situation there," he said, referring to US Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Georgia is the third largest troop contributor to the US-led coalition in Iraq and the US military has a longstanding program to train their forces.

He said the US European Command's plans and operations center has been monitoring the situation in South Ossetia, the flashpoint for the conflict between Russian and Georgian militaries.

"What they do in a situation like this is contact the embassy, contact our troops there, assess the situation, and begin to receive any information or request for support from the embassy, or any reports about US citizens being in danger."

"At this point we are early in the hostilities. The situation is sort of dynamic at this point," he said.

The outbreak of fighting also was being closely watched at the Pentagon, said a US military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"We're obviously very concerned. We are watching it closely," said the official. "We are looking at the situation, and how it develops. It's still early."

The United States, European Union and NATO have led international calls for an immediate end to violence in South Ossetia amid fears of all-out war between Russia and Georgia.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgdAGnDXbKX4qhmZitLMFjjf_3CQ  

[doublethink]

When was WW III??

UGH, I hate how everyone has started referring to the Cold War as WW3, and now talk about WW4. So Stupid. Supposedly its the neocons who refer to the Cold War as WW3, but its a bunch of bull in my opinion. The Cold war wasnt a war, more like a standoff. If you want to include Korea, and Vietnam thats fine, but by no means was it a World War.

[Biggs]

Georgia says it has lost sections of South Ossetia capital
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gBUz-0G8S6qhgykA4kPbXI_VGWXg
1 hour ago

TBILISI (AFP) — Georgia has lost control of parts of the South Ossetian rebel capital of Tskhinvali amid Russian bombardment, a spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry said, after earlier claiming control of the city.

"Russian armed forces are bombarding Tskhinvali," the spokesman, Shota Utiashvili, told AFP in Tbilisi.

"We have lost control over some parts of the city," he added.

Separatist forces have begun to retake the city, the leader of South Ossetia's unrecognised government Eduard Kokoity was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency.

"The fourth batallion of the South Ossetian army, responsible for the southern side of Tskhinvali's defences, has begun forcing out Georgian troops from this part of the city," Kokoity said.

He added that "hundreds of civilians" had been killed in Tskhinvali.

oh dear, too late, the battle has commenced, oh dear  

[Wanted]

UGH, I hate how everyone has started referring to the Cold War as WW3, and now talk about WW4. So Stupid. Supposedly its the neocons who refer to the Cold War as WW3, but its a bunch of bull in my opinion. The Cold war wasnt a war, more like a standoff. If you want to include Korea, and Vietnam thats fine, but by no means was it a World War.

+1

[Wanted]

RUSSIA AND GEORGIA ON 'VERGE OF WAR'
Friday August 8,2008
By Penny Stretton for Express.co.uk

The Russian military have sent a convoy of tanks into the separatist region of South Ossetia in Georgia and the two countries are said to be on the verge of war.

The 150 strong Russian convoy is reported to be moving steadily towards the capital Tbilisi.

Hundreds of civilians are reported to be dead and the fighting has caused the main hospital in South Ossetia to shut down with the capital 'almost totally destroyed.'

The breakaway Georgian region has been under heavy bombardment from the country's forces with Russia saying it has sent troops on a peace keeping mission.

Many Ossetian's have Russian citizenship.

President Dmitry Medvedev says Russia wants to defend their lives and is reported to have added: "I must protect the life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are

"We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished. Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment."

A ceasefire between the two Georgian sides was agreed last Thursday but today's unrest comes after accusations from both camps that the agreement has been broken.

Russia deployed army peacekeepers but now says further troops are necessary to prevent more 'bloodshed'

It is now feared that war is imminent between Russia and Georgia after Georgia warned that any intervention from the Russian's could result in further conflict between the two sides.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakasvili has called on reservists to sign up for duty stating that Russia's presence is a "clear intrusion on another Country's territory."

Russia denied that it's troops had forcibly attacked Georgian targets but president Saakasvili claimed:

""We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight

"I must also tell you that Georgian forces have downed two Russian jet fighters over Georgia's territory."

Nato, the US and the EU have called for an immediate end to hostilities.

Civilians in the Ossetia region are said to be taking shelter with residents saying they have become the "hostages of Georgian fascism."

Georgia continues to accuse Russia of arming and assisting the separatist regions including Abkhazia, since the regions began to try to break away since the civil war in the 1990's.

Georgian Foreign Minister Ekaterine Tkeshelashvili has spoken out against Russian intervention, saying their military action has to be stopped.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/56048/Russia-and-Georgia-on-verge-of-war-



EXTRA: South Ossetia reports hundreds dead in fighting
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/224454,extra-south-ossetia-reports-hundreds-dead-in-fighting.html

Moscow/ Tbilisi, Georgia - The president of Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia reported "hundreds of civilians" killed in the separatist capital under siege by Georgian troops Friday, news agency Interfax said. Calling the fighting a "genocide," President Eduard Kokoity said "hundreds of peaceful inhabitants were lost in Tskhinvali."

"These last tragic events should become the last step toward recognition of South Ossetia's independence," he added.

Moscow deployed troops to support its ally South Ossetia on Friday, in what has threatened to become a full-fledged war with its neighbour Georgia.

At least 10 Russian peacekeepers were killed as heavy fighting raged in South Ossetia, Interfax had earlier reported.

Despite television images of wounded Georgian soldiers in local hospitals, there has been no official confirmation of casualties.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said troops now controlled a "large part of South Ossetia" and have "liberated" Tskhinvali.

[trailhound]

 yeah and anybody who says ww4 instead of ww3 is a disco troll. goddamn conservative trash...lmao

 the ww4 disinfo agents...

not that i give crap what you call it..

[Dok]

BREAKING NEWS: Reuters reports the Pentagon says it has had contact with Georgian officials but have not received a request for assistance.

[doublethink]

yeah and anybody who says ww4 instead of ww3 is a disco troll. goddamn conservative trash...lmao

 the ww4 disinfo agents...

lmao, were trying to start WW3 here, what the hell, you guys are moving too fast, we still have soverign nations to destroy.

WW4 will be against the people of the world.

[trailhound]

lmao, were trying to start WW3 here, what the hell, you guys are moving too fast, we still have soverign nations to destroy.

WW4 will be against the people of the world.

 ALLRIIGHHT we'll call it ww3, geesh! 

[doublethink]

good now thats settled. 

[Wanted]

Georgia takes gamble with move on rebels
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSL81375120080808

By William Schomberg - Analysis

LONDON (Reuters) - Georgia's bid to re-take its rebel region of South Ossetia by force is a gamble by its leader that he can still count on Western support as he tries to thwart Russian efforts to regain influence over the ex-Soviet republic.

Analysts said the escalating conflict risked far-reaching consequences for a region that has become a test of the post-Cold War balance of power as well as a key energy transit point for Europe which needs oil and gas from Asia.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili was welcomed by the West as a fresh, reform-minded leader when he led a revolution in 2003 and was elected the next year, making NATO membership his priority as he tried to escape the orbit of Moscow.

But James Nixey, an analyst at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London, said Saakashvili had worried Western capitals with his tendency to overreact when provoked.

That was shown when he used force last year to quash anti-government protesters and again now in the conflict in South Ossetia, he said.

"He is in big danger of losing the cachet he built up for himself in being pro-Western and the restraint he has often shown in the face of provocation by Russia," Nixey said.

"If he is going to start a war, he is going to lose the support of a lot of friends in the West."

Long-standing tensions over South Ossetia exploded on Friday when Georgia tried to assert control over the region with tanks and rockets, and Russia sent forces to repel the assault.

NO GUARANTEE OF WESTERN CAVALRY

Analysts said Saakashvili's gamble in launching military action against the rebels could trigger a David-and-Goliath war between his country and the its powerful neighbor Russia, and it was far from certain that the West would come to his rescue.

"He has had plenty of warnings from the West that it won't pull any chestnuts out of the fire for him so I don't think he can count on the cavalry riding in," said Fraser Cameron of the EU-Russia centre in Brussels.

NATO and the European Union expressed serious concern about the fighting on Friday and urged all sides to halt the violence.

But Tomas Valasek, director of foreign policy at the Centre for European Reform, said Saakashvili had little choice but to take decisive action.

He said Russia's growing influence in South Ossetia and in another breakaway region, Abkhazia, was steadily undermining Georgia's hopes of joining the NATO military alliance and putting itself firmly in the Western camp.

"At the end of the day the Georgians realize that time is not on their side and they could not let South Ossetia and Abkhazia become even more messy and Russian influence even stronger," he said.

Georgia's ambition of joining NATO was put on hold three months ago when alliance members were split at a summit between supporters of accession for Georgia and Ukraine and other countries which feared such a move would antagonize Russia.

Neither country was offered a membership plan but they were told instead they would join NATO in the future.

Analyst Nixey said Saakashvili could be jeopardizing his country's chances of getting into the alliance: "Ultimately his NATO ambitions could go out of the window."

Strategic Forecasting Inc., based in the United States, said Georgia represented "the hottest flashpoint in Western-Russian relations" as it was the easternmost foothold of Western power.

"What is being decided here is whether bordering Russia and simultaneously being a U.S. ally is a suicidal combination. Whichever way this works out, the dynamics of the entire region are about to be turned on their head," it said in a note.

[David Rothscum]

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12936200&PageNum=0
VLADIKAVKAZ, August 8 (Itar-Tass) -- Georgian tanks are burning all round Tskhinvali, Ossetian peacekeeping battalion commander Kazbek Friyev said by phone.

He said South Ossetian forces had driven Georgian servicemen out of the town and taken full control of Tskhinvali. The massive gunfire has ceased, but certain random shots can still be heard, he noted.

Friyev denied reports claimed that residents and South Ossetian servicemen were allegedly leaving the town through a corridor made by Georgia. “No one is leaving the town,” he said. The Zari road is open for traffic and controlled by South Ossetian servicemen and peacekeepers, he said.

[David Rothscum]

Russian forces control part of Tskhinvali
http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKL73791220080808
TBILISI (Reuters) - Russian forces control part of the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, the Georgian interior ministry said on Friday, after Russia sent forces over its border to repel a Georgian assault on separatists.

Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian forces were shelling Georgian troops "from tanks and airplanes".

"We control part of the town, the Russians another," Utiashvili said of the besieged capital, Tskhinvali.

(Reporting by Matt Robinson)

[Optimus]

UGH, I hate how everyone has started referring to the Cold War as WW3, and now talk about WW4. So Stupid. Supposedly its the neocons who refer to the Cold War as WW3, but its a bunch of bull in my opinion. The Cold war wasnt a war, more like a standoff. If you want to include Korea, and Vietnam thats fine, but by no means was it a World War.

Actually, I wasn't referring to the Cold War. I only count an actively hot war as being a war. If we think about it it has been WWIII for a long time, but rather than militaries facing off, it is a war against the people, not just the people of the US but of the world. It is a hot war on the people as they are attacking us constantly by spraying chemtrails on top of us, poisoning our food and water, using bioweapons against us through vaccines, etc. etc. etc. So calling this the start of WWIV I should rephrase. It's really another phase of WWIII.

[Wanted]

Russia will defend citizens against Georgia: Medvedev
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=1147b221-e85e-4419-968b-b7c215ee1046&MatchID1=4737&TeamID1=8&TeamID2=6&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1194&MatchID2=4728&TeamID3=2&TeamID4=3&MatchType2=1&SeriesID2=1191&PrimaryID=4737&Headline='Russia+will+defend+citizens+against+Georgia'&strParent=strParentID


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday Russia would take action to protect its citizens under siege by Georgian troops driving to re-assert control over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.
 
Medvedev did not specify what action Moscow might take.
 
"We will not let the deaths of our citizens go unpunished, the guilty will incur the punishment they deserve," Medvedev was quoted by news agency Interfax as saying in his first statement since heavy fighting erupted on Thursday in the region claiming casualties on both sides.
 
"Under the Constitution and the federal law as president of the Russian Federation, I am committed to protecting a life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they may be," Medvedev said.
 
Most residents in South Ossetia and Georgia's other breakaway region of Abkhazia have been issued Russian passports, and Moscow has moved to strengthen ties with the rebel governments in recent years.
 
The news agency Interfax cited eyewitnesses as saying they saw Russian troops moving into the separatist capital of Tskhinvali.
 
The military convoys are being sent to reinforce peacekeeping forces in the region; unnamed local residents were quoted as saying.
 
In a televised speech earlier on Friday, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accused Russia of arming separatists and bombing Georgian villages. Saakashvili ordered a full military mobilization.




Medvedev orders humanitarian aid for South Ossetia
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080808/115904228.html

MOSCOW, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered that humanitarian aid be provided to people affected by the ongoing conflict between Georgia and its breakaway region of South Ossetia, the Kremlin said on Friday.

Georgia launched a large-scale offensive against the province during the night, using tanks, combat aircraft, heavy artillery and infantry.

"The president has instructed Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Emergency Situations Minister Sergei Shoigu and Interior Minister Rashid Nurgaliyev to provide humanitarian aid to people affected by the escalation of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict," the Kremlin press service said.

According to various reports, a large part of the republic's capital, Tskhinvali, has been destroyed. South Ossetian authorities are reporting numerous civilian casualties. There are also casualties among peacekeepers.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said: "A Russian humanitarian convoy has come under fire. Panic is growing among the local population, and the number of refugees is increasing. There are reports of ethnic cleansing in some villages... The situation is ripe for a humanitarian catastrophe."

[doublethink]

Actually, I wasn't referring to the Cold War. I only count an actively hot war as being a war. If we think about it it has been WWIII for a long time, but rather than militaries facing off, it is a war against the people, not just the people of the US but of the world. It is a hot war on the people as they are attacking us constantly by spraying chemtrails on top of us, poisoning our food and water, using bioweapons against us through vaccines, etc. etc. etc. So calling this the start of WWIV I should rephrase. It's really another phase of WWIII.

Main Entry: world war
Function: noun
Date: 1909
: a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world; especially capitalized both Ws : either of two such wars of the first half of the 20th century

I dont want to argue, but its not a complicated topic.

[Aaron]

Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

August 8, 2008

 Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers, captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early Friday, Aug. 8, bringing the Georgian-Russian conflict over the province to a military climax.

Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin threatened a “military response.”

Former Soviet Georgia called up its military reserves after Russian warplanes bombed its new positions in the renegade province.

In Moscow’s first response to the fall of Tskhinvali, president Dimitry Medvedev ordered the Russian army to prepare for a national emergency after calling the UN Security Council into emergency session early Friday.

Reinforcements were rushed to the Russian “peacekeeping force” present in the region to support the separatists.

Georgian tanks entered the capital after heavy overnight heavy aerial strikes, in which dozens of people were killed.

Lado Gurgenidze, Georgia's prime minister, said on Friday that Georgia will continue its military operation in South Ossetia until a "durable peace" is reached. "As soon as a durable peace takes hold we need to move forward with dialogue and peaceful negotiations."

DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.

Saakashvili need only back away from this plan for Moscow to ditch the two provinces’ revolt against Tbilisi. As long as he sticks to his guns, South Ossetia and Abkhazia will wage separatist wars.

DEBKAfile discloses Israel’s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.”

This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

This just had to stick their f*cking oar in didn't they..

[David Rothscum]

Uhm guys, there's a frigging war going on, who cares what it's called?

[Wanted]

Uhm guys, there's a frigging war going on, who cares what it's called?

Exactly


UK in South Ossetia ceasefire call

http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-news/world-uk-news/2008/08/08/uk-in-south-ossetia-ceasefire-call-109642-21499807/


Britain has joined international calls for an immediate ceasefire in South Ossetia after Georgia launched a military offensive to regain control of the breakaway province.

In a statement, the Foreign Office said that in was "monitoring developments", amid fears of an all-out conflict as Russia - which has close ties with the South Ossetian separatists - sent tanks across the border.

"We urge an immediate ceasefire in the fighting in South Ossetia and for a resumption of direct dialogue between all parties," the statement said.

The statement echoed calls by Nato and the European Union for a halt to the fighting.

Nato said that it was "closely following the situation" and called for "an immediate end of the armed clashes and direct talks between the parties".

France, which holds the rotating EU presidency, issued a statement urging all parties to show "the greatest restraint".

"The European Union calls for a dialogue between all parties which is the only way to a lasting solution of the crisis," it said.

The Foreign Office said that it was keeping its travel advice under review although as yet it is not advising against all travel to Georgia.


US urges cease-fire in South Ossetia
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQYe039zkquHxitiI6u4M_TRr_BAD92E6DVO0

6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States is calling for an immediate cease-fire in a conflict between Russia and Georgia over the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia.

State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos told reporters Friday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is making calls to top officials urging all parties to remain calm. He did not identify the officials.

He says a U.S. envoy is traveling to the region Friday in hopes of bringing an end to hostilities. Gallegos did not name the envoy, who will meet with U.S. allies and others.

He says the U.S. supports Georgia's territorial integrity.

Georgian troops have launched a major military offensive to regain control over South Ossetia. The fighting prompted Russia to respond by sending in tanks.

[Aerioch]

Strategic Forecasting Inc., based in the United States, said Georgia represented "the hottest flashpoint in Western-Russian relations" as it was the easternmost foothold of Western power.

"What is being decided here is whether bordering Russia and simultaneously being a U.S. ally is a suicidal combination. Whichever way this works out, the dynamics of the entire region are about to be turned on their head," it said in a note.

Going as planned by Zbigniew Brzezinsk,  He devotes a large portion of his book to the importance of this key point of the Eurasian theater.


http://books.google.com/books?id=Xj4d-LW1sDwC&q=The+Grand+Chessboard&dq=The+Grand+Chessboard&pgis=1

The Grand Chessboard presents Brzezinski’s bold and provocative geostrategic vision for American preeminence in the twenty-first century. Central to his analysis is the exercise of power on the Eurasian landmass, which is home to the greatest part of the globe’s population, natural resources, and economic activity. Stretching from Portugal to the Bering Strait, from Lapland to Malaysia, Eurasia is the ”grand chessboard” on which America’s supremacy will be ratified and challenged in the years to come. The task facing the United States, he argues, is to manage the conflicts and relationships in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East so that no rival superpower arises to threaten our interests or our well-being.The heart of The Grand Chessboard is Brzezinski’s analysis of the four critical regions of Eurasia and of the stakes for America in each arena—Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and East Asia. The crucial fault lines may seem familiar, but the implosion of the Soviet Union has created new rivalries and new relationships, and Brzezinski maps out the strategic ramifications of the new geopolitical realities.

Oil, and its infrastructure is the focus for that region. Printed in 1997, this book is proving to be very accurate to say the least.

[trailhound]

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

 holy shit if this is true this really is it.

[mario_bros]

10 minutes ago , Russian tanks from 58th Army begin to fight with Georgia military units. Georgia army attack russian central command in ossetia capital .  For this time russians lost 50 soldiers (KIA) . There is 500 more russian military "equipment" coming from the border of ossetia

[Optimus]

Uhm guys, there's a frigging war going on, who cares what it's called?

Agreed. Let's just keep our eyes on the developments on this situation and not get side-tracked.

[David Rothscum]

holy shit if this is true this really is it.

It'd be the first story from Debkafile that has any base in reality.

10 minutes ago , Russian tanks from 58th Army begin to fight with Georgia military units. Georgia army attack russian central command in ossetia capital .  For this time russians lost 50 soldiers (KIA) . There is 500 more russian military "equipment" coming from the border of ossetia

How do you know?

[trailhound]

holy shit if this is true this really is it.
It'd be the first story from Debkafile that has any base in reality.

thanks i never seen that site before

[David Rothscum]

Jason, what the hell, do you start covering this when the nukes start falling?

[Cywar]

Jason, what the hell, do you start covering this when the nukes start falling?

yea --where is Alex today?

[mario_bros]

How do you know? --- I know a lot of things from this region ;-) . Polish military discussion group , some peoples  have relatives and friends  over there . And news from regional tv , radio u will never see on CNN or BBC.

[David Rothscum]

How do you know? --- I know a lot of things from this region ;-) . Polish military discussion group , some peoples  have relatives and friends  over there . And news from regional tv , radio u will never see on CNN or BBC.

Ok, but where did you hear that 50 Russians were killed? We'd all really like to see the source.

[Optimus]

Here's video from the AP

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9188618&ch=4226714&src=news

[oyk152]

Here another link where you can read that russians heve be killed.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.n-tv.de/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.n-tv.de/%26hl%3Den

[mario_bros]

Ok, but where did you hear that 50 Russians were killed? We'd all really like to see the source. --- Do u whant me to show u a news paper with info ? Sorry I can't. There ara not official news but from my experience , this news are always more precise , then what u will hear from legal sources . Many news coming from first hand , russian officers , friends , local tv , radio etc ..... I can give u some info from time to time and u can check after with your manipulated news service like CNN. What happend to google map ?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=georgia,+europe&sll=32.68562,-83.221436&sspn=4.723982,7.03125&ie=UTF8&ll=42.187829,43.417969&spn=4.159257,7.03125&z=7

[trailhound]

It'd be the first story from Debkafile that has any base in reality.

 So you think the story has no basis in reality? I really have no idea, but that would be par for the coarse...the coarse of ww3 that is

[David Rothscum]

Alex, thanks for not letting us down!
Anyway guys, Russian civilian planes aren't allowed to fly into Georgia anymore, and thousands of civilians are reportedly killed:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2008%2F08%2F08%2Fstop2%2F&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&sl=ru&tl=en

[David Rothscum]

Ok, but where did you hear that 50 Russians were killed? We'd all really like to see the source. --- Do u whant me to show u a news paper with info ? Sorry I can't. There ara not official news but from my experience , this news are always more precise , then what u will hear from legal sources . Many news coming from first hand , russian officers , friends , local tv , radio etc ..... I can give u some info from time to time and u can check after with your manipulated news service like CNN. What happend to google map ?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=georgia,+europe&sll=32.68562,-83.221436&sspn=4.723982,7.03125&ie=UTF8&ll=42.187829,43.417969&spn=4.159257,7.03125&z=7

Anything you can tell us is welcome.

So you think the story has no basis in reality? I really have no idea, but that would be par for the coarse...the coarse of ww3 that is

The Israeli authorities themselves say 10% of what's reported on Debkafile is correct, I'll just leave it at that.

[TheGoodFight1984]

I posted a news article about the build up to this in News Tips weeks ago - did anyone pick up on it? Nope! Completely ignored! 

[David Rothscum]

http://russiatoday.com/news/news/28668/video
Russian media claims Georgia is retreating:
Georgian troops retreat from S. Osettian capital
Georgian troops have reportedly left Tskhinvali, ending a day of violence in the South Ossetian capital. The breakaway republic’s authorities say hundreds of civilians have been killed. Russian reinforcements are in the region and say any attempts to attack either civilians or troops will be stopped.