GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE

[thadividedsky]

The propaganda machine is in full swing here in the states now. ABC, NBC, CBS, fox news and the rest are airing anti-Russian reports and painthing them as the aggressors. Right now they are questioning what thew U.S. can do the back pro-USA Georgia. Is the s**t about to hit the fan?

[Sasha]

The propaganda machine is in full swing here in the states now. ABC, NBC, CBS, fox news and the rest are airing anti-Russian reports and painthing them as the aggressors. Right now they are questioning what thew U.S. can do the back pro-USA Georgia. Is the s**t about to hit the fan?

I'm afraid it is and many of the sheeple have their US flags (made in China) all dusted off for more waving and war mongering against the country with which it is psychologically easy to create a false association, Russia -the boogie man that so many generations grew up being told fear.

[Sasha]

Russia Today is scrolling a 2000 person death toll now.

[Sasha]

13 minutes ago



Saakashvili’s Rose Revolution dreams at risk
By Michael Mainville
Daily Times, Pakistan
Monday, August 11, 2008
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C08%5C11%5Cstory_11-8-2008_pg4_10

Now Saakashvili will be counting on his long-time friends in the West, and particularly the United States, to back him during his biggest ever test

GEORGIA’S US-educated president, Mikheil Saakashvili, was swept to power in a pro-West revolution and has long dreamt of pulling the small ex-Soviet republic out of Moscow’s orbit.

The 40-year-old Saakashvili’s dreams risk being shattered as Georgian and Russian forces clash in the breakaway region of South Ossetia and Russian planes drop bombs on his country. Now more than ever, Saakashvili will be counting on his long-time friends in the West, and particularly the United States, to back him during his biggest ever test.

“We are a freedom-loving nation right now under attack,” he said Friday. “It’s like the attack into Afghanistan in 1979. It’s like Czechoslovakia when Soviet and Russian tanks moved in.” “If they get away with this in Georgia, the world will be in trouble.” A graduate of Columbia Law School, Saakashvili worked as a lawyer in New York before being lured into politics back in Georgia.

He always speaks fondly of his time in the United States, reminiscing about attending New York Knicks basketball games and walking in Central Park. After serving as justice minister in the government of Eduard Shevardnadze, Saakashvili resigned in protest over corruption and formed his own political party, the United National Movement, now Georgia’s ruling party.

Following a flawed election in 2003, Saakashvili was among the young, pro-Western leaders who rallied thousands of Georgians onto the streets of Tbilisi for the so-called Rose Revolution that ousted Shevardnadze. The most charismatic of the Rose Revolution leaders, Saakashvili swept to the presidency in early 2004 on a wave of popular support.

He immediately began implementing sweeping free-market reforms and courting Western support in a bid to join the NATO military alliance and forge closer ties with Europe and the United States. He also vowed to regain control over South Ossetia and another breakaway region, Abkhazia, saying he would seek to do so through peaceful moves, but never excluding the use of force. His efforts won high praise from the West, including US President George W. Bush, who hailed Georgia as “a beacon of democracy” during a 2005 visit to Tbilisi.

But Saakashvili’s moves incurred the wrath of Russia and relations with Moscow plummeted. Amid repeated diplomatic crises, Russia imposed sweeping economic embargoes and boosted its support for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Saakashvili angrily accused Russia of seeking to reassert control over Georgia and called for the West to back him.

In an interview with Western journalists this year, Saakashvili compared Russian policies toward Georgia with those of Nazi Germany and urged Western governments not to “appease” Moscow. A bombastic speaker and voracious eater, Saakashvili has frequently been accused by critics of being hot-headed and impulsive. But supporters have praised him as a passionate and patriotic leader, whose drive and energy have transformed Georgia. Saakashvili is married to Sandra Roelofs, a Dutch woman he met in Paris in 1995, and has two sons. afp

[handofthecurer]

I've been watching this, and Ill be honest, I simply thought Georgia would withdraw from South Oessetia, Russia would occupy it, a ceasefire would occur, and life would go on.

Now I'm soiling my pants because this thing looks like its going to get a whole lot bigger than your typical 3 day skirmish.

May God help us all.

[das_ding]

this crisis maybe a secret contract:

Russia gets Georgia
USA gets Iran

 

[phigsy]

USA gets Iran

 

And on that day Satan will be skating to work........

[David Rothscum]

I've been watching this, and Ill be honest, I simply thought Georgia would withdraw from South Oessetia, Russia would occupy it, a ceasefire would occur, and life would go on.

Now I'm soiling my pants because this thing looks like its going to get a whole lot bigger than your typical 3 day skirmish.

May God help us all.

That's exactly what I started to expect. But it's worse than we thought.

[Optimus]

10.08.2008
Andrei ARESHEV
Conflict Between Russia and the US in the Caucasus
http://en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=1535

Upon his arrival to Vladikavkaz from Beijing on August 9, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said that Georgia had committed a crime against its own people, dealt a blow to its own territorial integrity, and caused a tremendous damage to its statehood. He also said that under the circumstances it was hard to imagine how South Ossetia would now be convinced to become a part of Georgia as the Georgian aggression, which was a crime against the Ossetian people, had led to numerous fatalities among the civilian population and to a humanitarian catastrophe. Subsequently V. Putin described the drama in South Ossetia as genocide while visiting a refugee camp in the Alagir district.

Thus, V. Putin has thoroughly assessed the recent developments from the political and legal standpoints. Russia will provide the entire necessary assistance to South Ossetia at the initial phase of the crisis relief. V. Putin pledged that the refugees would be able to return to their homeland and declared that Russia would contribute 10 bn rubles to rebuild Tskhinvali as the first step.

Russian President D. Medvedev said he would instruct the military prosecutor to document the crimes against civilians in South Ossetia.

The clear and definite statements made by the two Russian leaders contrast sharply with those of the Georgian leader who obviously expected the situation to evolve not the way it actually did. Overwhelmed by fury, he keeps ordering new devastating attacks on Tskhinvali and South Ossetia’s villages and begs his Western patrons for help. Georgian Minister for Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili indicated that the West would surely exert pressure on Moscow and then Georgia would emerge from the conflict as the winner. For some unknown reason, Mr. Saakashvili and his team concluded that the aggression and genocide for which they are responsible would remain unpunished.

Russia’s reaction to the tragedy in South Ossetia has shown that the Medvedev-Putin tandem functions with high efficiency and synchronism. Clearly, the attempts of external forces to destabilize the domestic political situation in Russia by instilling divisions in its leadership have failed.

Western media said that the Georgian President (already called a war criminal by a number of politicians) had offered a ceasefire directly to Russian President D. Medvedev. The reports were refuted and branded disinformation by the Kremlin. No doubt, there can be no truce with Mr. Saakashvili until all the Georgian guerillas are expelled from South Ossetia and the infrastructure of the Georgian state terrorism including army bases, military installations, air force bases, and the networks of their economic support are maximally destroyed.

It transpired that the news about the withdrawal of the Georgian army from South Ossetia had been another lie. In all likelihood, the disinformation is spread by the representatives of Georgia in order to win time to regroup its forces. They must be routed completely in order to ensure peace and stability for the Caucasus. Russian Prime Minister V. Putin said: "For centuries Russia has played a highly positive stabilizing role in the region, being a guarantor of cooperation and progress. Things have always been and are going to remain that way – nobody should have any doubts about this."

V. Putin was absolutely right when he said that Russians will continue to regard the Georgian people as friends. The severity of the fighting in which the Russian army, peacekeepers, and the Ossetian self-defense forces are currently engaged shows that Russia is facing a serious and ferocious enemy who recognizes no moral limitations on the way to its criminal objectives. Certainly, this does not apply to the Georgian nation – dragged into bloody adventures for which it will certainly have to pay, it is yet to draw conclusions from the experience. One item from the timeline preceding the aggression deserves particular attention – the Georgian-US Immediate Response 2008 military exercise, during which the US instructors trained the Georgian forces to carry out “anti-terrorist cleansings” in residential areas was completed on July 31. The exercise included such activities as cleansing terrorists from villages (allegedly in the framework of the preparation of the Georgian military for the operations in Iraq) and ensuring the security of the civilian population. The atrocities perpetrated by the Georgian guerillas in Tskhinvali had been taught by the Western instructors under the cynical disguise of “the struggle against terrorism”. The actual objectives are of course completely different. Former Georgian Foreign Minister Salomé Zourabichvili, who is certainly a very well-informed person, said the US presence in Georgia comprises a broad range of activities including the training of the Georgian armed forces and the monitoring of the strategically important corridor passing across the Caucasus. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline is a part of the latter. Zourabichvili opineds that the main purpose of the current conflict with Russia is to strengthen the loyalty of Georgia to the US and Great Britain and to guarantee that they will have control over the country and, consequently, over the South Caucasus.

It should be noted that the escalation at Russia’s border coincided in time with tensions in China’s Xinjiang autonomous region, where a terrorist act has taken place during the Olympics. A few days earlier, an arms depot was found in Bishkek, the capital of Kirghizstan, attended by 10 US military servicemen and several diplomats from the US Ambassy in the country. Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia is a war in the interests of other players, a war in which Georgians are to play the role of cannon fodder. Unless the aggression is suppressed immediately in the tiny region of the Caucasus, new and much more extensive regional conflicts will be imminent.

Now, as during WWII, the Russian army is fighting heroically to protect not only the Caucasus but the entire post-Soviet space from the fascist plague.

[David Rothscum]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/world/europe/11georgia.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
It's now an invasion of Georgia proper. This city doesn't lay in Abkhazia or Ossetia, this is really Georgia. This is all out war.

[The_lizard]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/world/europe/11georgia.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
It's now an invasion of Georgia proper. This city doesn't lay in Abkhazia or Ossetia, this is really Georgia. This is all out war.

I don't see why this is such a shock, Georgia formally declared war on Russia. If you declare war on Russia you have to expect to pay the consequences. If Georgia surrenders i'm sure Russia would just spank them and they could have their country back. The course of action mr.Saakashvili has taken and continues to take is surely the end of Georgia, at least for awhile.

[GoodBush]

this crisis maybe a secret contract:

Russia gets Georgia
USA gets Iran

 

NATO is USA
NATO is Georgia
NATO is nwo

[baldguy]

this crisis maybe a secret contract:

Russia gets Georgia
USA gets Iran

 

Thats my thinking, US set this up so Russia can save face when they start into Iran. Georgia set up to be a sacrificial lamb along with the missile shield. We will not have long to wait, scary, it all can go horribly wrong so easily.

[David Rothscum]

Thats my thinking, US set this up so Russia can save face when they start into Iran. Georgia set up to be a sacrificial lamb along with the missile shield. We will not have long to wait, scary, it all can go horribly wrong so easily.

It's such a settling thought that they have everything under control, and everything we learned in the 90's and early 00's is still the case. Unfortunately, we're now in a crazier situation, madmen like Brzezinski who want to redo the cold war in a quarter of the time it took to bring the Soviet Union down.

[GoodBush]

Thats my thinking, US set this up so Russia can save face when they start into Iran. Georgia set up to be a sacrificial lamb along with the missile shield. We will not have long to wait, scary, it all can go horribly wrong so easily.

Curious......what do you think blackwater is doing?

[baldguy]

It's such a settling thought that they have everything under control, and everything we learned in the 90's and early 00's is still the case. Unfortunately, we're now in a crazier situation, madmen like Brzezinski who want to redo the cold war in a quarter of the time it took to bring the Soviet Union down.

I agree, if everyone is playing from a different rule book, we are screwed.

[baldguy]

Curious......what do you think blackwater is doing?

I have no information other than what is posted here.

[GoodBush]

I have no information other than what is posted here.

Do you think they might be involved based on information posted here?

[Capt. Obvious]

10.08.2008
Andrei ARESHEV
Conflict Between Russia and the US in the Caucasus
http://en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=1535

...

Now, as during WWII, the Russian army is fighting heroically to protect not only the Caucasus but the entire post-Soviet space from the fascist plague.

Oh boy. The propaganda machine is all warmed up and going full speed.

[baldguy]

Do you think they might be involved based on information posted here?

What is this about?

[Cobra]

If it's true that Russia is invading Georgia proper than Russia will turn into the aggressor. However, I understand why they would do that. If Russia does indeed invade Georgia than they will also be taking a huge gamble.
I think this is Russia's answer to Kosovo.

Maybe they're gambling to take swaths of Georgian territory and then trade those for full Ossetian independence.

[GoodBush]

What is this about?

Decades of psy-ops, false flags, unjust unprovoked wars, bankers and private interests, criminal governments, fascism..........the list is long.

My point is there are unforseen forces here at work too. Shadow armies and mercenaries.

Agree?

[David Rothscum]

Petraeus: US is flying Georgian troops into battle zone:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4498032.ece

[GoodBush]

Petraeus: US is flying Georgian troops into battle zone:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4498032.ece

I called that. That was totally predictable.

[Capt. Obvious]

Petraeus: US is flying Georgian troops into battle zone:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4498032.ece

Oh great, and then Russia will do something like shoot down a plane carrying Georgis soldiers, and then we say Russia inflicted aggression on us, etc, etc, and then we are at war with Russia.

[Cobra]

Decades of psy-ops, false flags, unjust unprovoked wars, bankers and private interests, criminal governments, fascism..........the list is long.

My point is there are unforseen forces here at work too. Shadow armies and mercenaries.

Agree?

Western intelligence operatives for sure. I don't think they're actively engaged in the fighting though.

[GoodBush]

1.NATO
2.BlackWater
3.Marines

This is a matter of global dominance by force not an innocent game of chess.

[Cobra]

I called that. That was totally predictable.

Well, if a country is at war I'd expect them to gather as much of their forces as possible.
I don't see the big deal here.

Georgia has no air force to speak of and the US does occupy Iraq and control it's airbases and airspace.

[David Rothscum]

I called that. That was totally predictable.

Most parts of this war were predictable, still, to see all of this actually going on scares the hell out of me. I talked to a friend of mine on 06-08-08 and said that the real war now was against Russia and China . Well, what can I say, he's listening now...

[baldguy]

Decades of psy-ops, false flags, unjust unprovoked wars, bankers and private interests, criminal governments, fascism..........the list is long.

My point is there are unforseen forces here at work too. Shadow armies and mercenaries.

Agree?

Agreed, noticed you have some good posts on Blackwater. I am sure religion is going to come into play also and rear its ugly head. Sorry, I must be getting paranoid, I didn't know where you was coming from.

[knas]

This is a matter of global dominance by force not an innocent game of chess.

My dear Watson, it is a game of chess, but not an innocent one though: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2624700/Brzezinski-The-Grand-Chessboard-American-Primacy-and-Its-Geostrategic-Imperatives-1997

[GoodBush]

Well, if a country is at war I'd expect them to gather as much of their forces as possible.
I don't see the big deal here.

Georgia has no air force to speak of and the US does occupy Iraq and control it's airbases and airspace.

It's not US, it's nwo/NATO a global army. The real US and troops, took an oath and swore on the constitution, trusting their leaders did as well.

I know there are more entities involved here and once again the people are being fooled. I hate to say but I guess it really is gonna take first hand bloodshed for most people to wake. I sure hope we have the strength and numbers to stop these maniacs.

[The_lizard]

So let me get this straight, the USA is flying 3000 Georgian soldiers home and Russia is just going to let the planes land? This could get very nasty, very fast.

I feel sorry for the American pilots flying those soldiers. That's like being the guy in the red shirt whenever captain Kirk beams down in star trek.

[joequinn]

Our Ambassador at the UN is claiming that Russia aims for nothing less than regime change in Georgia, and General Petraeus is shuttling Georgian troops to Georgia. It seems to me that America has done everything it can do to oppose Russia short of sending American troops directly into Georgia. I still think that America is doing this in order to trap Iran into an indiscretion which it can use to invade the country directly.

But too much is happening at the present time for me to comprehend it all... <SIGH>

[GoodBush]

Our Ambassador at the UN is claiming that Russia aims for nothing less than regime change in Georgia, and General Petraeus is shuttling Georgian troops to Georgia. It seems to me that America has done everything it can do to oppose Russia short of sending American troops directly into Georgia. I still think that America is doing this in order to trap Iran into an indiscretion which it can use to invade the country directly.

But too much is happening at the present time for me to comprehend it all... <SIGH>

Exercise Immediate Response 2008
Read this
http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/07/17/10953-security-cooperation-exercise-immediate-response-2008-begins-with-official-ceremony-in-republic-of-georgia/

[Optimus]

Russia presses deeper into Georgia; U.S. says regime change is goal
http://www.bnd.com/508/story/428256.html
By TOM LASSETER AND JONATHAN S. LANDAY
McClatchy Newspapers


GORI, Georgia --Russia pressed its invasion of Georgia by land, sea and air for a third day Sunday, striking far beyond contested South Ossetia as the Kremlin brushed aside a cease-fire offer and disputed Georgia's claim to have pulled its forces out of the rebel enclave.

Russian jets bombed near Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, including civilian housing, military bases, factories and the international airport, while Russian warships deployed off the Black Sea coast, sinking a Georgian missile boat that attempted an attack, state-run Russian news media said.

Russian troops and tanks, meanwhile, took control of Tskinvali, the devastated capital of South Ossetia, according to Russian state-run media, and there were reports that a Russian armored column tried to push out of the separatist enclave's boundary toward the city of Gori before being turned back by Georgian forces.

Tensions between the United States and Russia sharpened as the Bush administration suggested that Russia's objective goes beyond securing South Ossetia to the ousting of President Mikhail Saakashvili, who has close ties to the United States and is seeking admission to NATO.

Russia denied the charge, repeating that it is obliged to stop "numerous war crimes" against civilians, many of who carry Russian passports, end a "major humanitarian disaster," and restore the situation to where it was before a Georgian military incursion on Friday.

Georgian police erected a checkpoint on the main road outside Gori, and warned travelers that the situation around the city of 50,000, home to a major military base, was too dangerous. During the day, Russian warplanes strafed the city.

Scores of Georgian tanks and troop-carrying trucks roared down the road in the direction of the Russian advance in the pre-dawn dark Monday. Dozens of other trucks were parked on the roadside. Four truck-mounted missile launchers sat just outside Gori, where troops shouted for cars to turn off their lights.

Georgian troops moved last week to seize South Ossetia, a mountainous enclave bordering Russia, after clashes with separatist fighters. Moscow, saying Georgian forces killed Russian peacekeeping troops and civilians, responded by launching missile, artillery and air attacks and pouring hundreds of tanks, armored vehicles and troops across the border.

The tiny former Soviet republic, nestled between Turkey and Russia, is considered strategically important because it is located on key energy and trade routes to central Asia. Russia, which ruled Georgia for nearly two centuries before the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991, considers the region as its backyard and opposes Georgia's admission to NATO.

Separatists began agitating for the secession of South Ossetia in the Soviet Union's waning days, igniting clashes with Georgian security forces that continued after Georgia became independent in 1991. Russia deployed peacekeeping troops in 1992. Negotiations to resolve continuing disputes have made no progress.

Russian troops have also been protecting Abkhazia, another rebel enclave. Moscow-backed rebels loosed "massive artillery fire" on Sunday at Georgian units just inside the province, an Abkhaz defense official told Interfax, a Russian state news service. Saakashvili accused the Russians of moving 100 tanks into Abkhazia.

(EDITORS: END OPTIONAL TRIM)

As Russian poured more troops and tanks across its border into South Ossetia on Sunday, Saakashvili announced a withdrawal of Georgia troops from the province.

Georgia, he said, was also proclaiming a cease-fire, was ready to have it forces return to their positions before the fighting erupted and would sign an agreement for a peaceful resolution of the dispute.

"We need to stop hostility. We don't need further military action. We need to stop it. We need to bring back peace. And a cease-fire is about both sides," Saakashvili said on CNN.

But Russian officials rejected Saakashvili's claim of a troop withdrawal, saying that Georgian forces were continuing to fight.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Grigory Karasin, speaking to reporters in Moscow, said that Moscow would discuss "all further issues" once Georgia pulled all of its forces out of "the combat zone" and immediately signed "a binding agreement on the non-use of force."

The United States and the European Union stepped up diplomatic efforts to end the bloodshed estimated to have claimed more than 2,000 lives.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in touch with senior Georgian, Russian and European officials. French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, whose country is the current EU president, flew into Tbilisi on a peace mission only 30 minutes after the Russian air strike on the international airport.

At the same time, the Bush administration, which has equipped and trained the Georgian army, sharpened its response to what it called Russia's "disproportionate" response over South Ossetia.

U.S. aircraft flew home some of the 2,000 Georgian troops serving in Iraq. And Deputy National Security Advisor Jim Jeffrey, with President Bush in Beijing for the Olympics, warned "that if the disproportionate and dangerous escalation on the Russian side continues . . . this will have a significant long-term impact on U.S.-Russian relations."

(EDITORS: END OPTIONAL TRIM)

Speaking at a meeting of the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov admitted in a phone call with Secretary of Rice that Moscow wants Saakashvili replaced.

"'Saakashvili must go,'" Khalizad quoted Lavrov as telling Rice.

Asked by Khalilizad if Russia sought "regime change," Russian Ambassador Vitali Churkin replied tartly, "Regime change is purely an American invention."

Khalilzad, whose native Afghanistan was invaded and occupied by the former Soviet Union in 1979, later told reporters: "The days of overthrowing leaders by military means in Europe, those days are gone."

On Saturday, the U.S. military began transporting Georgia's 2,000 troops stationed in Iraq back home. So far, nearly half have been transported on C-17 flights, said Geoff Morrell, a Pentagon spokesman.

U.S. military officials were alarmed by Sunday's developments, calling reports of Russia's movements in Gori and its possible attempts to overthrow Saakashvili's government "far beyond" its stated objectives, one senior military official told McClatchy Newspapers.

[Cobra]

So let me get this straight, the USA is flying 3000 Georgian soldiers home and Russia is just going to let the planes land? This could get very nasty, very fast.

I feel sorry for the American pilots flying those soldiers. That's like being the guy in the red shirt whenever captain Kirk beams down in star trek.

All Russia has to do is bomb the runways in Georgia. Not too many there anyway capable of supporting large cargo aircraft.

[joequinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1043428/COMMENTARY-So-did-Georgia-blunder-trap.html

A most interesting commentary in The London Mail about the Russo-Georgian War. The article declares that Saakashvili is a political fool, who will pay for his folly with his political career, but it argues that the essence of Saakashvili’s folly is his walking into a carefully-staged Russian trap. Thus the commentary presents Russia as the real villain of the piece, even though all of the pieces of evidence introduced in the commentary build a case --- at least to me --- that Russia really had no choice but to respond in the way in which it did. A most interesting commentary, I repeat, one in which the perspective and the facts appear to clash, heavily.

[Capt. Obvious]

We helped in Iraq - now help us, beg Georgians
As Russia forces its neighbour to retreat from South Ossetia, the people of Gori tell our correspondent of betrayal by the West

As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4500362.ece
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Ah so is that why they sent troops to Iraq? So they could expected some sort of backing when they get intot a fight with Russia? I don't know, but this all looks nicely contrived by the PTB:

1. US befriends and supports "democracy" in Georgia
2. Georgia supports the US efforts in Iraq by sending troops
3. South Ossetia declares independence from Georgia , but the Us doesn't recognize it so it can be used as a pawn later
4. US gives Georgia green light to "secure" South Ossetia, giving assurance that it will be ok and if any problems arise, the Us will help
5. Georgia moves to "secure" South Ossetia, Russia overreacts; both sides claim the right to their action
6. Rumors fly about genocide and attrocities; no one knows the facts on the ground
7. Georgia gets in over it's head; Russia dominates, Georgia asks for help to ceae fire
8. Russia continues conflict, goes against Georgia mainland; Georgians plea for relief from Russians
9. US claims to be staying out, avoiding conflict. Tries to help in supporting Georgia, but eventually bumps into Russians
10. Russians hit Us asset that is accused of aiding Georgians (possibly hostages\POWs)
11. US threatens Russian to stop hostilities against US assets and to return US "peacekeepers", diplomats, soldier, whatever
12. Russia refuses....WW 4 starts

something like that

[GoodBush]

13. War comes to America and EU.