GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE

[Wanted]

Georgia forced to accept a Russian occupation
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4543728.ece


President Saakashvili was forced to accept defeat yesterday as he signed a peace agreement that gives the Russian Army the right to patrol on Georgian soil.

In a critical amendment to the ceasefire drawn up by President Sarkozy of France, the Kremlin forced Mr Saakashvili to accept that Russian troops could control a buffer zone of Georgian territory up to 10km beyond the border of the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Mr Saakashvili was humiliated further when the final text of the agreement, delivered personally by Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, removed a reference to Russian recognition of Georgia’s territorial integrity. It referred only to independence and sovereignty, a day after Ser-gei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, said that the world could forget about Georgia’s territorial integrity.

After signing the peace agreement, an emotional Mr Saakashvili said defiantly: “A significant part of Georgian territory remains under foreign military occupation. Never, ever will Georgia reconcile itself with the occupation of even one square kilometre of its territory.”

The US and the European Union appear to have compelled him to accept just that, at least temporarily, in a deal that, in effect, legitimises Russian occupation of Georgia. The West had been insisting that the two sides withdraw their forces to the positions they occupied on August 6, before Georgian troops entered South Ossetia. Now, at Moscow’s insistence, Georgia has been forced to accept that Russian “peacekeepers” in South Ossetia have the right to patrol outside the breakaway region. The details were included in a letter signed by President Sarkozy that clarified Russia’s security powers.

Dr Rice said that the clarifications were meant to protect Georgian interests. US officials argued that the wording of the original document was too vague over the extent of Russia’s freedom to roam on Georgian soil in “peacekeeping” operations. “With the signing of this accord, all Russian troops, and any paramilitary and irregular troops that entered with them, must leave immediately,” she said.

However, the revised document states that Russian peacekeepers who were in South Ossetia before the war started could stay and extend their patrols temporarily for up to 10km (6.2 miles) into Georgia.

Officials say that these additional powers would expire as soon as a team of international monitors arrived to observe the ceasefire. However, President Medvedev reinforced Russia’s diplomatic supremacy in a meeting with Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, at his residence in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, close to Georgia’s other breakaway region of Abkhazia.

He rejected her insistence that Georgia’s territorial integrity was a “basic point” for any peace settlement in the Caucasus. In a clear signal that the Kremlin is preparing to recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia’s independence, he reclaimed Russia’s right to be the sole arbiter of the region’s future shape. “If someone continues to attack our citizens, our peacekeepers, then of course we will answer just as we did,” Mr Medvedev said.

“Russia, as guarantor of security in the Caucasus and the region, will make the decision which unambiguously supports the will of these two Caucasus peoples.”

Mr Saakashvili was locked in five hours of talks with Dr Rice at his presidential palace in Tbilisi. In a sign that he was finding the deal hard to accept, their joint press conference was delayed for more than 90 minutes.

Mr Saakashvili railed against the West for failing to pay attention to the emerging Russian threat and for not extending support to Georgia’s application for Nato membership in April.

“Unfortunately, today we are looking evil directly in the eye. And today this evil is very dangerous for everybody – not only for us,” he said. “Let us write the next chapter together.”

Mr Saakashvili said Nato’s rejection of Georgia had encouraged the Kremlin to begin a military build-up, believing that the West lacked the will to respond. He said: “We told the world this is about starting an invasion. We screamed to the world, ‘stop it’.”

Mr Sarkozy said that Georgia’s signature on the ceasefire accord cleared the way for a resolution to end the conflict at the United Nations Security Council “and the definition of an international mechanism which will be charged with overseeing the implementation of the agreement on the ground”, although one Western diplomat predicted that Russian “hard bargaining” over references to Georgia’s territorial integrity would prevent the signing of a resolution this weekend.

Mr Sarkozy also said that the ceasefire created conditions for the immediate withdrawal of Russian forces to the positions they held before the conflict broke out. Russia demonstrated its determination to move its forces around at will when a military convoy advanced to within 55km of Tbilisi yesterday while Dr Rice was visiting.

Seventeen armoured personnel carriers and about 200 soldiers moved along the main highway from the city of Gori, which remains occupied by Russian forces despite pledges to leave, before stopping in the village of Igoeti. Their mission was unclear, though they were joined for a time by three Russian combat helicopters.

[telstar10]

Russia "invaded" Georgia out of the blue
and entirely unprovoked, right?

Not quite.

In fact, it's amazing how successfully
the US news media doctored the basic
facts of the story. 

Mikhail Gorbachev was invited to provide
commentary on the Larry King show and
surprised and baffled King by laying out
the simple chronology of what actually
happened.

Compare this with the well coordinated
US-UK propaganda campaign.   

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/402.html

[gabba2k7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPI2flLpknA

have u seen it?

[David Rothscum]

Russian forces destroy key Georgian bridge
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-ossetia17-2008aug17,0,5302823.story
The move came a day after the Georgian president signed a French-backed cease-fire proposal during a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
By Megan K. Stack and Borzou Daragahi
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

August 17, 2008

IGOETI, Georgia -- Russia and its allied forces today destroyed a key railway bridge linking this war-weary country's capital to the Western Black Sea coast, effectively severing all east-west transportation routes within the small country, the Georgian foreign ministry announced.

Russian soldiers occupying the central Georgian town of Gori also pushed forward 14 miles toward the capital, setting up positions on the country's main east-west road 25 miles from Tbilisi. Adjacent agricultural fields were set afire, apparently by Russian soldiers.

Russian soldiers interviewed along the road between Russian-controlled Gori and Igoeti said their mission was to protect the road. They could be seen hiking up toward hilltop positions and setting up checkpoints and tank positions and conducting what appeared to be foot patrols.

Nearby villagers were in a panic.

Russian troops in military convoys garrisoned in Gori for several days have numerous times moved toward the capital before heading quickly back. Today marked the first time they set up positions so close to the capital.

The destruction of the bridge in the country's Kaspi district "resulted in the severing of railway links between the east and west of Georgia and connections with Georgia's seaports," said a news release issued by the Georgian foreign ministry.

The Russian moves came a day after Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili signed a French-backed cease-fire proposal during a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

The U.S. envoy was the highest-ranking American official to visit Georgia since war over control of the Russian-backed separatist enclave in the country broke out Aug. 7. She called on Russia to remove troops and allied paramilitary forces out of Georgia proper or else face diplomatic and possible economic isolation.

"Russia needs to leave Georgia at once," she said at a news conference Friday. "This is no longer 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia, when a great power invaded a small neighbor and overthrew its government," she added, in reference to the Soviet Union's crushing of the "Prague Spring" liberalization movement.

But Russian officials sounded ever more defiant, vowing again that Georgia would never get back its breakaway regions.

"Unfortunately, after what has happened it is unlikely that the Ossetians and the Abkhazians will be able to live in one state together with the Georgians," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at a news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who met Medvedev in the Black Sea resort of Sochi in an effort to defuse the crisis.

The dispute appeared to be rippling out of the Caucuses to rock broader East-West relations. President Bush said from the White House Rose Garden on Friday that Russia was trying to act like a Cold War superpower, browbeating its smaller neighbors.

"With its actions in recent days, Russia has damaged its credibility and its relations with the nations of the free world," Bush said. "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."

The origins of the conflict remain murky, with both Russians and Georgians accusing each other of sparking the war. But one European official said Russia could be held accountable for its actions inside Georgia.

"We saw that many of the reactions of the Russian army in Georgian territory are exceeding the boundaries of international law," said Laimonas Talat-Kepsa, a high-ranking Lithuanian diplomat in Tbilisi.

He was referring to the alleged targeting of civilians and public infrastructure by Russian and Russian-backed forces in various parts of Georgia.

"This disproportionate use of force continues," he said.

[gabba2k7]

Russian forces destroy key Georgian bridge

I will not wonder, if this "news" from the one place as
russia attack georgia on 08\08\08 (FYI - u know how it was)
russian tanks near tbilisi (FYI - there are NO tanks there)
russia destroy tbilisi airport (FYI - its is still working...and for example american aicrafts land there some days ago)
russia destroy pipeline (FYI - pipeline works was not interrapted, u can asked any workers [not russian citizenship] )

PS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPI2flLpknA

[David Rothscum]

I will not wonder, if this "news" from the one place as
russia attack georgia on 08\08\08 (FYI - u know how it was)
russian tanks near tbilisi (FYI - there are NO tanks there)
russia destroy tbilisi airport (FYI - its is still working...and for example american aicrafts land there some days ago)
russia destroy pipeline (FYI - pipeline works was not interrapted, u can asked any workers [not russian citizenship] )

PS:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPI2flLpknA

Yeah you're right, there's a lot of disinfo out there, and I'll be the last to say you have to believe the LAtimes. I'm just posting the news here as it comes.

[David Rothscum]

Here's video footage of the bridge Georgia claims Russia destroyed (1:40)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7565740.stm

[adissenter2]

What really happened in Georgia?
Some basic facts:

1. The citizens of South Ossetia have long expressed a desire to break away from Georgia and, in fact, declared themselves independent from Georgia in the 1990s.

2. On the first day of the 2008 Olympics, Georgia launched an all-out, "shock and awe" attack on numerous civilian targets in Tskhinvali, the capital city of South Ossetia

3. Russia, which shares a border and a long historical connection with South Ossetia, sent troops into the region to fight back the attacking Georgian military.

4. The arms for Georgia's attack on South Ossetia were largely provided by the US.

5. The US and UK news media have successfully managed to portray these events as a random, unprovoked and savage attack on Georgia by Russia.

In this video, Mikhail Gorbachev responds on Larry King live.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjbwlyguEGY

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDIwh2sbhA

part 3 (In this part Georgian President responds to Gorbachev)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAqB5FzmVA

[gabba2k7]

i hope people from there will help other americans to understand wtf is going on. doesnt matter will it be 1 saved mind or tens of them.

[Capt. Obvious]

Something I have been thinking about:

Russia wanted S. Ossetia, but of course it couldn't just take it. That might cause some outcry by "stealing" a Georgian province. But, how about we just have Georgia attack S. Ossetia and Russia can "liberate" it, "protect" it, and stop "genocide" by the Georgians? The Russians then might even look like the good guys.

I don't think for one minute Russia is intervening out of some altruism towards the S. Ossetians. (I don't think that of Georgia, either). But this all has unfolded in Russia's benefit quite nicely so far, and I can't think of a better way for Russia to acquire S. Ossetia. I am leaning towards this as the explanation for the method of Russia acquiring S. Ossetia, but I still don't know why exactly they wanted it. Oil? I just don't know if that's enough.

[Wanted]

Something I have been thinking about:

Russia wanted S. Ossetia, but of course it couldn't just take it. That might cause some outcry by "stealing" a Georgian province. But, how about we just have Georgia attack S. Ossetia and Russia can "liberate" it, "protect" it, and stop "genocide" by the Georgians? The Russians then might even look like the good guys.

I don't think for one minute Russia is intervening out of some altruism towards the S. Ossetians. (I don't think that of Georgia, either). But this all has unfolded in Russia's benefit quite nicely so far, and I can't think of a better way for Russia to acquire S. Ossetia. I am leaning towards this as the explanation for the method of Russia acquiring S. Ossetia, but I still don't know why exactly they wanted it. Oil? I just don't know if that's enough.

Very good points. Well the thing is Russia is upset especially after the Soviet Union collapsed, they lost alot of land, and since s. Ossetia never really wanted to be a part of Russia, and the majority of south Ossetians are Russians, so no wonder Russians want more land and more citizens to its nation.
In a way this whole thing does look like it could've been Russian provocation of the events, if it means they might come back as the good guys. Or have a chance at taking S. Ossetia for themselves. But then on the other hand this whole situation is very favorable for the U.S. as well into crushing Russia. There are two ways into looking at this. Which is the right one only time can tell. 

[revolt426]

What happened was a failed Neocon plan to suck Russia into a state of politcal weakness and all out war. The goal of this Israeli/U.S. funded attack was to provoke Russia into an extreme response and attempt to start a Cold War based on what bush wanted, a U.N. Resolution condemning Russia and NATO intervention. This will never happen now, the operation was a complete failure and Russia now has the upper hand.... that doesn't really bother me i'd rather they did have the upper hand as a U.S. citizen so they can possibly prevent the Bush Admin from a possible october suprise of who knows what. I also read another thread and agreed with someone that said the U.S./Israeli backed attack coincided with the Olympics to keep China from getting involved.
Proof that Russia has a huge upper hand is the fact that Saakashvili had to sign a cease fire agreement that allowed for Russia to occupy the two breakaway regions and patrol up to 6 Miles into Georgian territory. That's some deal for Saakashvili to accept after his retarded blathering on International Television that was proven to be complete lies. More proof is that Dick Cheney did the only thing he knows how to do when he's under pressure, he threatened Russia without any specifics....Because it's an empty threat.
So we have another Neocon failure and i'm glad they failed because if Russia overthrew Saakashvili, NATO may well have been at war by now. Ukraine may have even gotten involved... with their nukes... but Russia wasn't going to fall for another Afghanistan like false flag attack to suck them into war.
So what now? Bush is a lame duck with no credibilty, Impeachment hearings possibly taking place in the near future. I don't know what else this jackass could possibly do at this point.... but now he signed the Missile Sheild Deal with Poland, which further provokes Russia.
Gee if i were in any country not in NATO i would think the U.S. and Israel are the enemy too. This whole Neocon Globalist agenda looks like its falling apart ... First massive Anti-War movements,then 9-11 Truthers and rescue workers, Then after massive protests and bad publicity the NAU was declared "dead", although that just means its being delayed. It seems everything the Neocons touch turns to shit and their facist, hitler like approach to globalism is giving 'Globalists' a BAD impression amongst the populations. The only thing i'm currently worried about as far as the NWO is our Economy and Russia's response to this Missile Sheild. I just can't see the neocons attempting another false flag before January they just completely failed at one on the 8th. They are sloppy, reckless and evil and the whole educated world is watching them with a magnifying glass now because we all know they are capabale of False Flag events. I wonder what Cheney has lined up for us next... and whatever it is it will most likely fail but people may end up dead in the process.

If we make it to 09 and Bush actually leaves office i would think that he and his cronnies would flee the country like Rove. They are all going to be subpeoned by Congress eventually even if its a few years from now when we throw the incumbents out of office.

[David Rothscum]

Something I have been thinking about:

Russia wanted S. Ossetia, but of course it couldn't just take it. That might cause some outcry by "stealing" a Georgian province. But, how about we just have Georgia attack S. Ossetia and Russia can "liberate" it, "protect" it, and stop "genocide" by the Georgians? The Russians then might even look like the good guys.

I don't think for one minute Russia is intervening out of some altruism towards the S. Ossetians. (I don't think that of Georgia, either). But this all has unfolded in Russia's benefit quite nicely so far, and I can't think of a better way for Russia to acquire S. Ossetia. I am leaning towards this as the explanation for the method of Russia acquiring S. Ossetia, but I still don't know why exactly they wanted it. Oil? I just don't know if that's enough.

Russia has lost the real war. The Russian isolation campaign worked, and Poland has now accepted the missile shield, with clearly more public support now than would have existed without the South Ossetian war. On the long term, disabling Russia's nuclear stockpile will be more important than a small region in the Caucasus with 70.000 inhabitants.

[David Rothscum]

http://leopolis.blogspot.com/2008/06/public-opinion-of-missile-shield-pt-2.html
A study done in June showed 60% of the Polish people opposing the missile shield and only 26% supporting it. Support was falling since February. The war may not have caused a landslide, but the Polish government may very well be capable of getting away with it now and not before the war.

[chirhonius]

David - Good point on them waiting for a crisis to pass the missle shield.

The polish foreign minister sounds questionable to me. He was the one pushing for the shield.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rados%C5%82aw_Sikorski

And from his background:
While at Oxford he was a member of the infamous all-male dining society The Bullingdon Club, whose members then included the current leader of the British Conservative Party David Cameron.
fellow of the American Enterprise Institute
executive director of the New Atlantic Initiative

He is probably also Bilderburg.

[Wanted]

Matt McCarten: US spin on Georgia war shows how vital it is to have free media
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=359&objectid=10527412

In the United States, it seems the mainstream media fall in line frequently with their government's spin over international events. Most of the global news networks are owned and based in the US, and therefore tend to set the news agenda worldwide.

What is disturbing is how jingoistic and partisan the US news coverage is over the Georgia conflict. It is clearer to me now how these US news agencies were able to stir up public support after 9/11 to invade Afghanistan and then Iraq. It's frightening how the agencies have, in many ways, become a mouthpiece for their government's policy.

Their mainstream news stories would have us believe that the small, feisty and free democratic state of Georgia has been ruthlessly invaded by Russian thugs who are carrying out genocide and mass destruction. It's presented simply as a fight between good and evil.

Watching the US news, it's hard to understand that it was Georgia who started the bombing and killing in the region of South Ossetia.

Nor would Americans know that the Georgian military assault killed dozens of Russian peacekeepers and hundreds of civilians before Russia stepped in. The Russian reaction to this slaughter was predictable, particularly when we know some of the background to these events.

The Ossetian people have quite a distinctive culture and language that is very different from Georgia. South Ossetia is part of Georgia and North Ossetia is part of Russia. The only reason that the southern part of Ossetia is even in Georgia is because of Josef Stalin. He split Ossetia and put each half under the control of different warlords. With the collapse of communism these arbitrary divisions of ethnic nationalities was always going to unravel.

South Ossetia was opposed to being part of Georgia when it seceded from Russia. They fought a bloody independence war in the early 1990s to prevent absorption into the newly independent Georgia. Tens of thousands were killed and an agreement was reached where South Ossetia and another region, Abkhazia, would have a large element of autonomy. Russian peacekeepers would be stationed in these regions to ensure the peace was kept.

In addition, a wider agreement was also made with Georgia and all the other newly created bordering states to Russia that they would not become part of NATO (the western military alliance), nor would they allow foreign military bases in their countries.

But before the ink on these agreements was dry, American political consultants were creating and managing political parties that were anti-Russian. In Georgia, they helped create a new political party around Mikheil Saakashvili, who was educated and worked for many years in the US. This party swept out the pro-Russian government and then the real mischief began.

Saakashvili's first move was to get the US military to come into Georgia to arm and train his armed forces. Despite the early promises, the Bush administration, with most of Western Europe, actively supported Georgia to become part of NATO. As of last week, Georgia was America's ally in Iraq, second only to Britain.

Last week, it wasn't lost on Russia that it was the US air force that flew the Georgian troops from Iraq back to their country.

Like most wars, oil plays a major part. Saakashvili's provocative decision to allow the West to build a pipeline through his country from the Caspian oil fields as an alternative to the present one through Russia was just another straw on the back of Russia's camel. The West's recent enthusiasm to also unilaterally recognise Kosovo splitting from Serbia was another. Supporting ethnic communities to break away and form new countries was always going to come back and haunt the West, for what's good for Kosovo is also good for South Ossetia.

That the Georgian army invaded South Ossetia in violation of an agreement made with Russia and timed for the eve of the Olympics says it all. It was a calculated military assault to end South Ossetia's semi-autonomy and suppress their independence movement.

The Russians had warned the Americans that Saakashvili was an accident waiting to happen. They were apparently assured by the Americans that they'd keep him under control. But no one believes for a minute that the Americans hadn't given the Georgians a wink and a nod to invade while Putin was at the Olympics.

I think the US Government and their media believe their own rhetoric and spin. How else could they have believed that the Russians wouldn't slap Saakashvili down?

It's reassuring to see that the media in New Zealand provides us with a range of news sources rather than just relying on the American outlets. In this case, I think the media coverage of the conflict in Georgia has made New Zealanders better informed about why the war started. The US public and politicians still seem confused. I blame their media.

[revolt426]

Thats a great article about our media problem but his conclusion was wrong. He ended the article with "I think the US Government and their media believe their own rhetoric and spin. How else could they have believed that the Russians wouldn't slap Saakashvili down?" . First off the U.S. Governments(The Puppet Masters) objective in this debacle was to provoke Russia into all out war i believe, others think it was done to get the Poland Missile Sheild deal signed which was accomplished. Either way the "U.S. Goverment" or what is really the U.S./British/Israeli Governnent obviously knew Saakashvili was going to fall fast and they used him as a sacrificial pawn, even if they dont overthrow him Russia now has more influence in Georgia and the Georgian military is in shambles. If the U.S. Govt beleived their own spin they would have sent U.S. military into Georgia as they woud have thought that an ally was being invaded without provocation. This guy is basically using the "U.S. GOVT is incompetent" Excuse and we all know this is far from the truth here. We know their "incompetence" is planned and executed deliberately and they love it when people use that word... incompetence.. because it gets them off the hook for criminal inquiries by the public... the average citizen just says "Bush is an idiot" while Bush makes absolutely no decisions as far as Foreign policy in reality.

[Horatio_Bunce]

As far as the Media is concerned here in the US, it's doing what it gets paid to do: maintaining a perspective that follows the agenda of those pulling strings in this country. Russia's media is delivering their viewpoint and the truth was likely thrown out the window plenty of miles ago. I believe RT is telling the truth just about as much as I believe the NY Times.

[revolt426]

Russian media obviously has biases and we do not know Putins real intentions however, it was proven time and time again in this scenerio that the Russian Media was being more honest then US/Britain. They had the girl on fox news that thanked the Russians for saving her and immediately cut to a break. Then there's the American in georgia on Russian news that said "The Georgians were attacking and murdering everyone and had shut the water off a month before the attacks." There's more evidence to support the Russian version of the story. France, Germany and many countries openly reported than Georgia instigated the war and they are in the EU., which is tied in with the U.S. Globalists. However as i said we do not know the true Russian agenda... I just believe the Russian account for what happened in this particular situation, not their speculations.

[Horatio_Bunce]

I dig it.

Meh, I don't believe anything any corporate or state media outlet has to offer, there's always an angle.

But in this situation, I don't see how who is more "right" is helpful. My take on it is more like, "How could we stop these things from happening in the future?"

[otero1]

LMAO! Here is the response I get from some girl on myspace when I post a bulletin about what is REALLY going on in Georgia.

are u fkn kiddin me? them russian bastards are tryna get crunk again & this lil bitch that aint been there in 20 years aint nknow what hes talking about.. ur too damn gullible..

[StemCell]

oh what a job our education system has done. 

[trailhound]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1011396.html


Georgian minister: Israel has sold us out
By Anshel Pfeffer

TBILISI - Israel has joined in the West's betrayal of Georgia, the Georgian reintegration minister, Temur Yakobashvili, told Haaretz yesterday. As the official in charge of bringing Abkhazia and South Ossetia back into the fold, Yakobashvili oversaw negotiations with the Russians to end the fighting there. He warned the world that the situation would escalate into war, but the West ignored him. "They said the Georgians are exaggerating again," he charged.

A former Zionist leader who speaks fluent Hebrew, Yakobashvili credited Israeli defense companies with "enabling us to train our army and giving us the possibility to withstand the Russians," but termed the Israeli government's decision to stop arms exports to his country "a disgrace."
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He said the West should have responded by "deploying NATO troops to defend Georgia's vital infrastructure," and that "Israel is betraying us, along with the European countries and the United States."

Referring to rioting by Russian militia groups in villages surrounding Gori, Yakobashvili said: "Today there was a Cossack pogrom against the local population. As a Jew that gives me a different feeling."

Yakobashvili blasted Israel's decision to suspend defense aid to Georgia: "Israel did it at the Russians' behest. It aided the terrorists, the Russians. It's a disgrace. I don't know what it received in return, I only see that Hezbollah continues to get Russian arms, and plenty of it."

"Israel should protect the interests it has here," he continued. "There are many Israeli businesspeople who invested money, and a country should protect its citizens' investments."

He ascribed Georgia's feisty military ability to Israeli training, and said that Russian experts had told him "they never believed Georgia has such an army and that they would encounter such resistance."

Yakobashvili claimed the Georgian forces had destroyed Russia's 58th army and downed 17 planes and three helicopters (data unsubstantiated by other sources). Eventually they had to retreat, he said, because "Russia deployed 30,000 soldiers and a thousand tanks. Our people are not suicidal - we don't want our soldiers to remain in the field and be killed by Russian planes."

The minister claimed that the Abkhazian minority had carried out "ethnic cleansing" in that breakaway region in recent years by expelling members of other ethnic groups, and had supplied weapons to separatists in Ossetia for attacks on Georgian villages.

He was in Tskhinvali, Ossetia, last week, hours before fighting broke out there. "The separatists fired at Georgian villages. We returned fire and asked the Russians to order the Ossetians to stop. The Russian representative told me we have to agree to a total cease-fire and that President Saakashvili had issued such an order to our army, and we did not return fire, even when they bombarded two of our villages. I told the president we should pay the price, just let there be peace. But when we found out that they were continuing to transfer more weapons through the Roki Tunnel [between Russia and Ossetia], we had to attack. It was a matter of screwing or being screwed."

Despite the Russian army's advance toward Tbilisi yesterday, Yakobashvili said he believes the cease-fire reached through French mediation will hold.

[lordssyndicate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsr2_-CcG88http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsr2_-CcG88


An edited  yet desperate attempt to report the truth about the georgian war on FAUX news of all places.

[lordssyndicate]

The Currrent pravda Story:

http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/106115-1/

Georgian President Saakashvili eats his tie on TV live (video)

The BBC has recently aired a TV report, in which Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili ate his tie.

The report was about the situation in the area of the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia. The footage showed Saakashvili making a call to a top Western official. It could be clearly seen that Mr. Saakashvili was having a nervous breakdown.  Watch the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kid379OjuC0

Mikhail Saakashvili has been staying in the full glare of publicity for several weeks already. Specialists of medicine have questions about his mental state, Rossia TV channel says.

His statements, which he makes on one and the same day, may often contradict to each other. Russia’s well-known psychologists claim that the Georgian leader is a mentally unstable individual. Specialists say that Saakashvili’s ambition exceeds his capabilities.

Such mental unbalance leads to irresponsible political decisions, which lead to chaos, human deaths and humanitarian catastrophes.

The Russian foreign minister said Thursday that Georgia could "forget about" getting back the two separatist regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Medvedev also met with their leaders in Kremlin this past week, raising the prospect that Moscow could absorb the regions even though the territory is internationally recognized as being within Georgia's borders.

US President Bush does not even think to stop making ridiculous statements regarding the conflict.

"The world has watched with alarm as Russia invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatened a democratic government elected by its people. This act is completely unacceptable to the free nations of the world, Bush said in his weekly radio address.

Mr. Bush of course believes that the bombing of Yugoslavia, the incursion in Iraq, the recognition of Kosovo’s independence and many other criminal acts are absolutely acceptable to the free nations, of which the USA is the most outstanding example.

Needless to say that it will never occur to either Mr. Bush or Ms. Condoleezza Rice to speak about the nightmare that thousands of South Ossetian residents had to experience after Georgia’s attack on the republic. They do not want even to hear about it.

US major media outlets, controlled by the White House, do not want to report the truth about Georgia’s aggression either. A US girl of South Ossetian origin happened to stay in the unrecognized republic during Georgia’s attack on the territory. She was lucky to leave the troubled nation safe and sound. However, when she appeared in a program of Fox News channel, the TV host did not even let the girl speak a word of truth.  Watch the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsr2_-CcG88

No comments from the Peanut Gallery.

Russian forces pulled back Saturday from positions in a town not far from Georgia's capital after Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a cease-fire deal, but his foreign minister said the broader withdrawal would be contingent on further security measures.

Russian soldiers had dug shallow foxholes in the center of Igoeti, some 30 miles (50 kilometers) from Tbilisi, but abandoned them later in the day. Tanks and troops were still in place on a hillside on the edge of Igoeti and there was no immediate signs of a pullout from the strategic city of Gori, about 20 miles (30 kilometers) up the road.

The military movement came around the same time that officials said Medvedev had signed a cease-fire deal that set the stage for a Russian troop withdrawal after more than a week of warfare in the former Soviet republic that lies at the heart of increasing tensions between Russia and the West.

The agreement, also signed a day earlier by Georgian President Mikhail Saakshvili, calls for both Russian and Georgian forces to pull back to positions they held before fighting erupted Aug. 8. Georgia had launched a massive barrage to try to take control of the Russian-backed separatist region of South Ossetia; the Russian army quickly overwhelmed the forces of its small U.S.-backed neighbor, and Moscow's troops drove deep into Georgia.

The Russian seizure of territory, including Gori and its positions in Igoeti, raised fears that Russia was aiming for a permanent occupation of the country that once was part of its empire. The cease-fire calls for Russian troops to pull back to positions they held in South Ossetia before the fighting but allows allowing limited Russian patrols in Georgia just outside the province.

Medvedev signed the order in the Russian resort city of Sochi, where the president has a summer residence, Medvedev spokesman Alexei Pavlov said. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov later said Medvedev had ordered its implementation.

But Lavrov, in televised remarks, also said the Russian pullback would take place "as further security measures are taken." Asked how much time it would take, he responded: "As much as is needed."

He was not specific about the security measures but accused Georgia of undermining security. "This depends not only upon us," Lavrov said.

"We are constantly encountering problems from the Georgian side, and everything will depend on how effectively and quickly these problems are resolved," he said.

While Russian forces abandoned the center of Igoeti, they dug into positions on a hillside with a view of the area, possible defensive positions as their comrades withdraw.

[Pheonix Renewed]

He states in that vid that he did it to gain entrance to NATO. NATO wouldn't allow Georgia to join while they had "terroritial conflict."

I guess his best idea was to go in and kill civilians so NATO would embrace his nation... so either he's insane, or NATO is insane, or both (I'm leaning towards both, myself).

[Sasha]

Reporters Fired on by Georgian Forces

0:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8FajNEaxwc

"This is an irregular, undisciplined, chaotic, angry, humiliated Georgian force- They don't listen to orders- They fire on civilians, from what we have just seen-"  -  Fox news reporter.

[David Rothscum]

He states in that vid that he did it to gain entrance to NATO. NATO wouldn't allow Georgia to join while they had "terroritial conflict."

I guess his best idea was to go in and kill civilians so NATO would embrace his nation... so either he's insane, or NATO is insane, or both (I'm leaning towards both, myself).

Georgia will join NATO: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008817111420784486.html

The Georgian president has said his country will not give up the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Mikhail Saakashvili said on Sunday that Georgia will never give up a single square kilometre of the country's territory.

He spoke at a news conference with Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, after they met in the capital, Tbilisi.

On her turn, Merkel said Russia should withdraw immediately.

Merkel said she expected a "very fast, very prompt" withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia, calling it an "urgent matter."

The German Chancellor also said that Georgia, will join Nato.  

"Georgia will become a member of Nato if it wants to -- and it does want to," Merkel said.

It was one of the strongest statements yet of support for Georgia's Nato membership bid, which is fiercely opposed by Russia.      
Russian troops remained deployed in the north and west of the country, including units within half an hour's drive of Tbilisi.

Russia says that regular forces will begin withdrawing on Monday but that an unspecified number of Russian peacekeepers will remain.

Moscow is furious at Georgia's attempt to join Nato. The Western military alliance is divided over how fast to accept Georgia, but has indicated that membership is a matter of when, not if.
 
Al Jazeera’s Jonah hull said that the significance of Merkel's statement for Russia and Kremlin will be enormous.

"This is precisely what they were hoping to derail. They do not want Nato to encroach any further towards the Russian borders. Nato in Georgia is precisely what Russia does not want and this might be the only way that the west can find now to punish Russia."

Pullout order

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia president, ordered the withdrawal of troops from Georgian territory to begin on Monday at midday, according to the Kremlin.

"From tomorrow, Russia will begin withdrawing its military forces that are supporting Russian peacekeepers," Medvedev told Nicolas Sarkozy, his French counterpart, in a telephone conversation on Sunday.

Sarkozy's office said that the French president had warned Medvedev of "serious consequences" if it failed to implement the ceasefire pact it signed on Saturday.

Russian tanks and armoured personnel carriers rolled in the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia on August 7 after the government in Tbilisi ordered a bombardment in an attempt to reassert its control.

A French-drafted six-point peace pact requires all forces in Georgia to withdraw to positions held prior to the conflict.

Al Jazeera's Jonah Hull, reporting from Tbilisi, said that the Russian withdrawal depended on Georgia's forces complying with the terms of the ceasefire and returning to barracks.

"The Georgians have also to comply, Medvedev has made it very clear that he expects to see that before the Russians pull back," he said.

"The question of whether the Russians will leave South Ossetia is another matter as under the terms of this peace plan they are entitled to maintain a peacekeeping presence as they did before this conflict began."

Georgia deployment

However, Russian forces have remained in force around the strategically important town of Gori, about 30km from South Ossetia, which controls the main road to the capital Tbilisi.

"We are hearing from Russian military contacts around the town that the troops in Georgia are considered to be last in, so they will be the last out," Al Jazeera's Alan Fisher, reporting from inside Gori, said.

"In Gori itself there is still a very high Russian presence ... you can still see many Russian troops, they are digging trenches, their armoured personnel carriers, their tanks are now well hidden under camouflage."

Russian troops were reported to also effectively control the city and air base of Senaki, which which sits on a key intersection controlling access to the Black Sea port city of Poti and the road north to Abkhazia.

And on Sunday Russia confirmed that it had taken over a major power plant in western Georgia.

"What we see on the ground clearly shows that Russia is not abiding by the ceasefire that its president has signed ... as of today we are not seeing any reversal of this threat, we are not seeing any withdrawal at all," Shota Utiashvili, Georgia's interior ministry spokesman, told Al Jazeera.

Patrols permitted

Under the peace deal, Russian troops, which entered the conflict to support the South Ossetian separatists, have the right to patrol "a few kilometres" deeper inside Georgia beyond the South Ossetia conflict zone, Georgian and French officials said on Saturday.

Russian troops wil be allowed to carry out patrols inside Georgia [AFP]
The French-drafted agreement calls for an end to all military action, free access to humanitarian aid. It also calls for a demilitarised border zone.

The announcement of the Russian withdrawal came as Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, arrived in Georgia to meet Mikhail Saakashvili, the president. The visit to Tbilisi follows a meeting with Medvedev in the Black sea resort of Sochi.

Earlier on Sunday, there had been confusion over Russia's plans after an army commander said that the pullout had already begun from the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali.

Irina Gagloyeva, a spokesman for the South Ossetian defence ministry, told Russia's Itar-Tass news agency that South Ossetian police were replacing Russian peacekeepers in Tskhinvali.

Major-General Vyachislav Borisov, a Russian commander near the town of Gori, said that Russian peacekeepers were replacing regular troops in the area around the Georgian town.

[Biggs]

another excellent analysis by Mike Whitney, well worth a read -

Putin's Winning Hand: Once the Atlantic Alliance is shattered, America's lifeline to the world is kaput
Mike Whitney

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20535.htm

August 16, 2008

There are no military installations in the city of Tskhinvali. In fact, there are no military targets at all. It is an industrial center consisting of lumber mills, manufacturing plants and residential areas. It is also the home to 30,000 South Ossetians. When Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili ordered the city to be bombed by warplanes and shelled by heavy artillery last Thursday, he knew that he would be killing hundreds of civilians in their homes and neighborhoods. But he ordered the bombing anyway.

There was no "Battle of Tskhinvali"; that's another fiction. A battle implies that there is an opposing force that is resisting or fighting back. That's not the case here. The Georgian army entered the city unopposed; after all, how can unarmed civilians stop armed units. Most of the townspeople had already fled across the border into Russia or hid in their basements while the tanks and armored vehicles rumbled bye firing at anything that moved.

What took place in South Ossetia last Thursday, was not an invasion or a siege; it was a massacre. The people had no way to defend themselves against a fully-equiped modern army. It was a war crime.

In less than 24 hours, the Russian army was deployed to the war zone where it chased the Georgian army away without a fight. Journalist Michael Binyon put it like this, "The attack was short, sharp and deadly---enough to send the Georgians fleeing in humiliating panic." Indeed, the Georgians left in such haste that many of their weapons were left behind. It was a complete rout; another black-eye for the US and Israeli advisers who trained the clatter of thugs they call the Georgian army. Soon vendors on the streets of Tskhinvali will be hawking weapons that were left behind with a mocking sign: "Georgia Army M-16; Never used, dropped once."

By the time the army was driven out, the downtown area was in engulfed in flames and the bodies of those who had been killed by sniper-fire were strewn along the streets and sidewalks. Many of people who stayed behind were simply too old or infirm to leave. Instead, they huddled in their basements waiting for the shelling to stop. It was a bloodbath. The city's only hospital was deliberately targeted and destroyed; another war crime. By day's end, over 2,000 people were killed in an operation that was clearly engineered with the assistance of the Bush White House. Bush regards Saakashvilli as his main client in the region; they are friends. He is America's cat's paw in the Caucasus. Saakashvilli's assignment is to try to get Putin to overreact militarily and demonstrate to European allies that Russia still poses a threat to their national security. Fortunately, many Europeans see through the ruse and know that the trouble originates in Washington.

For the most part, Americans are still in the dark about what really happened last weekend. There's a great video circulating on the Internet by a Russian citizen that has been living in USA for the last 10 years. He sums up the role of the US media with great precision. He says, "The western media--especially CNN--is feeding you complete horseshit. Russia did not invade Georgia first." The youtube can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c26Q-qxDEA

The coverage of the western media has been abysmal. Nearly every article and TV news segment begins with accusations of Russian aggression concealing the fact that the Georgian Army bombarded and invaded the capital of South Ossetia one full day before the first Russian even tank crossed the border. By the time the Russians arrived, the city was already in a shambles and thousands were dead.

These facts are not in dispute by those who followed the developments as they took place. Now the media is revising the facts to manage public perceptions, just as they did with the fictional WMD in Iraq. Many people think that the media learned its lesson after they were exposed for using bogus information in the lead up to the war in Iraq. But that is not true. The corporate media--especially FOX News, CNN and PBS (the smug, liberal-sounding channel)---continue to operate like the propaganda arm of the Pentagon. Its disgraceful.

In a 2006 referendum, 99% of South Ossetians said they supported independence from Georgia. The voter turnout was 95% and the balloting was monitored by 34 international observers from the west. No one has challenged the results. The province has been under the protection of Russian and Georgian peacekeepers since 1992 and has been a de facto independent state ever since. If Putin applied the same standard as Bush did in Kosovo, he would unilaterally declare South Ossetia independent from Georgia and then thumb his nose at the UN. (Sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander) But Putin and newly-elected Russian President Dmitry Medvedev have taken a conciliatory attitude towards the international community and tried to resolve the issue through diplomatic channels. So far, they have conducted themselves with restraint and avoided any confrontation.

Still, Russia's operation in South Ossetia has ignited a firestorm in the US political establishment and Democrats and Republicans alike are demanding that Russia be "taught a lesson". Condoleeza Rice flew to Tbilisi on Friday and ordered Russian combat troops to withdraw from Georgia immediately. Saakashvili topped off Rice's comments by saying that the Russian troops were "cold-blooded killers" and "barbarians". So much for reconciliation.

Saakashvili's hyperbolic rhetoric was followed by a surprise announcement from Poland that they had approved Bush's plans for deploying the Missile Defense Shield in Eastern Europe. The system is supposed to defend Europe from the possibility of attacks from so-called "rogue states" like Iran, but the Kremlin knows that it is intended to neutralize their nuclear arsenal. Political analyst William Engdahl explains the importance of the proposed system in his recent article, "Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War":


"The signing now insures an escalation of tensions between Russia and NATO and a new Cold War arms race in full force. It is important for readers to understand...the ability of one of two opposing sides to put anti-missile missiles to within 90 miles of the territory of the other in even a primitive first-generation anti-missile missile array gives that side virtual victory in a nuclear balance of power and forces the other to consider unconditional surrender or to pre-emptively react by launching its nuclear strike before 2012."

The new "shield" will be integrated into the larger US nuclear weapons system placing the world's most lethal weapons just a few hundred miles from Russia's capital. It is a clear threat to Russia's national security and it must be opposed at all cost. It is no different than nuclear weapons in Cuba. The timing of the announcement is particularly troubling as it only adds to the tensions between the two superpowers.


President Medvedev made this statement after hearing of Poland's decision: "This decision clearly demonstrates everything we have said recently. The deployment of new anti-missile forces in Europe is aimed at the Russian Federation."

It was President Ronald Reagan, the darling of the neoconservatives, who decided to remove short-range nuclear weapons from the European theater. Now, ironically, it is his ideological heir, George W. Bush, who is on track to restart the Cold War by putting a high-tech nuclear system on Russia's perimeter. The younger Bush has already broken his father's commitment to Mikail Gorbachev to never expand NATO beyond Germany. Presently, Bush is pushing to gain NATO membership for two former-Soviet states; Ukraine and Georgia. If they are approved, then any future dispute with Russia will pit the United States and Europe against Moscow. It's no wonder Putin is trying to derail the process.

The Bush administration has been planning for a confrontation with Russia for more than a year. In fact, Raw Story reported on operations that were conducted by the military on July 14, 2008 which were probably a dress rehearsal for the current conflict. According to Raw Story:

"US troops on Monday (July 14) began military exercises near the Russian border in ex-Soviet Ukraine and were poised to launch them in Georgia, amid tense relations between Moscow and Washington. A ceremony inaugurating the Sea Breeze-2008 NATO exercise was held off Ukraine's Black Sea coast against anti-NATO protests and a hostile reaction from officials in Russia. Sea Breeze-2008...includes forces from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Latvia, Macedonia and Turkey...'The US-Georgia joint exercises will be held at the Vaziani military base' less than 100 kilometers (60 miles) from the Russian border with a total of 1,650 servicemen taking part."

So, it appears the Bush administration, working in conjunction with the Pentagon, did have contingency plans for dealing with a flare-up with Georgia. The real question is whether or not they planned to initiate those hostilities to advance their own regional agenda? No one knows for sure.

Now that Georgia's American-trained army has been humiliated in front of the world, Bush is trying desperately to save face by demanding that Russia allow the US Air force to deliver humanitarian aid via C-17 military aircraft to the tens of thousands of Georgians who were displaced in the fighting. It is worth noting that, as yet, Bush has never delivered as much as a bag of rice to the 2 million Iraqi refugees living in Jordan and Syria due to his war in Iraq. Bush's magnanimity is not only suspect, it also creates real problems for Putin who will have to decide whether the offer is sincere or just a ploy to open up the ports and airfields so that more weaponry and ordnance can be delivered. As Barry Grey suggests in his article "Bush Dispatches US Military forces to Georgia" the humanitarian operation could be a scam:

"This is a formula for an injection of US military and naval forces into Georgia of indeterminate scope and duration. It will certainly involve the presence of hundreds if not thousands of uniformed US military personnel on the ground, and a substantial number of warships in the region. The US is introducing this military force into a situation that remains highly unstable and combustible, raising the possibility of a direct military clash between the United States and Russia."

Grey is right, but what choice does Putin have? His task is to avoid a military confrontation with the United States while demonstrating to his Europeon partners that their future lies with Russia not America. That's the real goal. To achieve that, he needs to expose Bush as reckless, petulant, and incapable of being a responsible steward of the global system. Maybe Putin will have to back-down at some point and swallow his pride; it makes no difference. What matters, is the endgame; showing that Russia is strong and dependable and will provide its European allies with oil and natural gas in a businesslike manner. That's the winning hand. Meanwhile, the United States will be forced to take a long-overdue look in the mirror and revisit its strategy for perennial war. Unfortunately, once the Atlantic Alliance is shattered; America's lifeline to the world is kaput.

[Pheonix Renewed]

Georgia will join NATO: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008817111420784486.html

I was stating what he said in the video. Watch the video, he says it point blank...

[CharlesB]

David Icke writes,

It’s all smoke a mirrors and while the Georgia attacks on South Ossetia are being seen as a disaster for the Georgian people because of the Russian response, and a disaster for America and its ambitions around the Caspian Sea, there is another way to look at this.

Firstly, it doesn’t matter to the forces that control Brzezinski and Soros if what they do makes the Georgian people suffer. That doesn’t register with them when they are planning their dastardly deeds. It’s simply not a factor that’s ever considered.

And second, if you look beyond ‘America’ to the forces that control America and Russia and China and the European Union and Israel it has all worked out rather well. They have now triggered more hostility, unrest, fear and mistrust in this, to them, crucial part of the world. In short, they have divided and ruled yet again.

They also have American troops in Georgia for ‘humanitarian’ reasons in the wake of the conflict and this is another step towards the Third World War that all this global manoeuvring is eventually leading to – the war to destroy America as a ‘superpower’ and bring in the World government dictatorship.

Brzezinski’s stated plan for Eurasia and the Caspian Sea region is only one level of the game as it relates to the United States. At higher levels, indeed to Brzezinski in private, the United States is nothing more than another pawn to be played off against Russia, China, Iran and whoever else, to install the goal of a world fascist tyranny.

The ultimate force of control and manipulation is not even on this planet or in this reality, so no matter what level the game is played in the ‘physical world’ it is still not the top of the pyramid and thus does not have the full picture.

What we see in this ‘world’ in terms of manipulators and manipulated are only different levels of pawns manipulating other pawns to advance the will of the kings and queens...

The events in Georgia over the last week are a classic of their kind
in that they include all the main elements that I have been
highlighting over the years.

We have the little picture within the big picture; the mainstream
media propaganda machine promoting the official, and blatantly untrue,
version of what happened; and behind the scenes lurk the familiar
names and organisations.

Even the little picture has been grossly misrepresented, never mind
how it plays out from a wider understanding of the game. We have been
led to believe by repetition and manipulation that little Georgia and
its 'rebel province' of South Ossetia was invaded by the big bad
Russian bear and Russia was responsible for all that happened.

Some 2,000 people have been killed and an estimated 60,000 displaced
and it's all Russia's fault, we have been told. I have no brief for
Russia and its de-facto dictator, Vladimir Putin, but there's more to
know here.

In fact, it was the Georgian President, Mikeil Saakashvili, who
ordered a military offensive against South Ossetia, which is
recognised internationally as a province of Georgia, but has sought to
operate autonomously as its own State, much to the fury of the
Georgian authorities in the capital, Tbilisi.

South Ossetia is just across the Caucasus Mountains from North
Ossetia, which remained part of Russia after the break-up of the
former Soviet Union.

Moscow has issued Russian passports to a lot of people of South
Ossetia, which has only been able to function as a self-declared
'independent' State because of Russian support. The passports, and the
fact that most South Ossetians look to Russia, not Georgia, as their
source of support and protection, allowed the Russian Prime Minister,
Vladimir Putin, and his puppet President, Dmitry Medvedev, to say they
had to 'save our people' after Georgia ordered the military attack on
South Ossetia on the night of August 7th, just as the Olympic Games
was starting in Beijing.

Russian forces invaded South Ossetia on August 8th, forcing the
Georgian army to flee, and crossed into undisputed Georgian territory
where they remain at the time of writing. Russian troops also moved
into Abkhazia, which declared independence from Georgia in 1999, but
the Georgian government still claims ownership and authority.

A 'ceasefire agreement' was allegedly brokered by the French
President, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is currently also front man for the
European Union with France occupying the six-monthly revolving
presidency of the superstate. But, to quote a line from a Bonnie Tyler
song, the whole situation is about as peaceful as 'sitting in a powder
keg giving off sparks'.

The Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has now said that Russia will
support South Ossetia and Abkhazia in their efforts to secure
independence from Georgia and that means the Georgian government can
forget any idea of forcing its two rebel provinces back into line.
This provides so much potential for future conflict.

But, of course, this is not about what is right for Georgia or South
Ossetia or Abkhazia, and certainly has nothing to do with the best
interests of the people. It is part of the global chess game. For
Georgia read the United States and Israel; and for South Ossetia and
Abkhazia read Russia, which will now control in all but name these two
'independent' provinces of Georgia.

So what is all this really about?

This is the land mass known as Eurasia which covers 10.6% of the
Earth's surface, comprises 36.2% of its land area and is home to more
than 4.6 billion people or 69% of the human population. Er, it's big.

The United States has been seen as the world's most powerful country,
at least up to  now, but it is in Eurasia that the real power lies and
that's where the unspoken war has been going on decade after decade
between the United States, Russia and increasingly China, too.

Oh yes, the countries and regions in conflict, turmoil or dispute may
officially be places like Georgia, Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan,
Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and so on. But the forces behind
them, moving the pieces on the chessboard, are the United States, the
United Kingdom, the European Union, Russia and China.

So many of these pawns or targets of the major powers, like Georgia,
Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran have either
been involved in wars, or are being targeted for wars, and they have a
major factor in common - they border the Caspian Sea or they are
crucial to oil and gas pipelines existing or planned from the
land-locked Caspian to the open ocean.

Why? The Caspian region has massive oil and gas reserves and whoever
controls them will have enormous influence, indeed control, with
regard to the wider world.

The Caspian region has become the pig trough of the New World Order
with the power blocs installing the 'leaders' and regimes in their
proxy countries and using them to fight their battles for control of
the oil and gas fields.

The conflicts between Russia and its own rebel region of Chechnya,
which spilled over into the Russian province of Dagestan on the
Caspian Sea coast, were all part of this and both of those regions
border the latest point of conflict, Georgia.

What has happened in Georgia is straight from the blueprint for what
happens everywhere in this chess game played by the United States,
Europe, Russia and China. They either install a regime to take over a
country on their behalf or arm and fund 'rebels' to wage war against
governments they wish to topple - which are themselves controlled by
one of the other competing power blocs.

There is no better example of this than Afghanistan where the United
States armed, funded and trained the so-called 'Mujahideen' fighters
to oppose the occupation of the country by the Soviet Union from 1979
to 1989. The American government and its vassal state of Saudi Arabia
installed a Mujahideen 'leader' called Osama bin Laden to be the
public focus of the 'rebellion'.

The US and British-trained Mujahideen later became the Taliban and
what has been called 'Al-Qaeda', a name that means 'database' because
it was created from the CIA database of names of the Mujahideen
trained to fight the Soviet Union.

The man who instigated all this was Zbigniew Brzezinski, the National
Security Advisor to US President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. He
revealed to a French news magazine, Le Nouvel Observateur, ten years
ago that he and US covert operations 'knowingly increased the
probability' that the Soviet Union would invade Afghanistan by
beginning the arming and funding of the Mujahideen before the
invasion.

The idea was entice the Soviets to invade Afghanistan to stop the
covert manipulation of armed opposition to the then Soviet-controlled
Afghan regime in Kabul. The Soviets took the bait and ten years of
slaughter unfolded which cost at least a million Afghan lives.

The world media reported this as the Soviet Union v Afghan rebels, but
in truth it was the Soviet Union v the United States. The Mujahideen
were, in effect, America's frontline troops. The exchange between
Brzezinski and Le Nouvel Observateur captures the mentality of the
crazies behind manipulated conflicts like that in Georgia this week:

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs
that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in
Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period
you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You
therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid
to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet
army invaded Afghanistan, 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly
guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3,
1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid
to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day,
I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my
opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But
perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to
provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to
intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that
they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United
States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was
a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea.
It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you
want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the
border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of
giving to the USSR its Vietnam War. Indeed, for almost ten years,
Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a
conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the
break-up of the Soviet empire.

To people like Brzezinski it's all a game, no matter the scale of
slaughter and suffering it causes, and no wonder he produced a book
called The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic
Imperatives (New York: Basic Books, 1997). That is what the world and
human life is to these mentally deranged fanatics - a chess board.

And what was Brzezinski's focus on this 'Grand Chessboard' described
in his book? A vast area of the world called ... Eurasia.

It was what he called 'the chief prize'.

Anyone with a desire to understand the global conspiracy must know the
background to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Warsaw-born son of a Polish
diplomat, Tadeusz Brzezinski. Father Brzezinski was posted with his
family to Germany from 1931 to 1935 during the rise of the Nazis and
then to the Soviet Union from 1936 to 1938 during Stalin's 'Great
Purge' in which he killed between a million and two million of his own
people.

Tadeusz Brzezinski was eventually posted to Canada and his son began
to make a name for himself in North America after becoming an American
citizen. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the foreign policy 'sage' and
'statesmen', was spawned from the British-based Round Table network
that includes the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham
House), the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commission.

By 1973, Brzezinski was so deeply involved with the network that he
co-founded the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller, and when
Jimmy Carter, a self-proclaimed 'eager student' of Brzezinski, became
the first Trilateral Commission President of the United States in the
1976 election, he appointed his foreign policy guru Brzezinski to be
his National Security Advisor.

In the background: Brzezinski, Carter's puppeteer

Brzezinski wrote a book in 1970 called Between Two Ages: America's
Role in the Technetronic Era in which, nearly 40 years ago, he
described the global society that he and his masters were plotting to
impose. He wrote:

'The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more
controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite,
unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert
almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain
up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal
information about the citizen. These files will be subject to
instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.'

He also said in the same book in 1970:

'Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites
... [Whose] ties cut across national boundaries ... It is likely that
before long the social elites of most of the more advanced countries
will be highly internationalist or globalist in spirit and outlook ...
The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty ... Further
progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive
efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be
undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively
favorable American position.'

Both quotes describe where we are now all these decades later because
Brzezinski already knew what the plan was and he has worked ever since
to bring it about.

And so to this week in Georgia, which is located in what Brzezinski
calls the 'Eurasian Balkans', the region around the Caspian Sea with
its fantastic reserves of oil and gas. Brzezinski wrote in his book,
The Grand Chessboard:

'... how America "manages" Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates
Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and
economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also
suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail
Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania
geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75
per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the
world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and
underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the
world's known energy resources.'

Brzezinski said that for the US to retain its power in the Middle and
Near East and the Caspian region they had to stop countries coming
together under central control or agreed alliances that could unite to
drive America out. His strategy to stop this was simple - divide and
rule. Or, in his own words ...:

'... To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal
age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial
geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence
among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to
keep the barbarians from coming together.'

The control and manipulation of Georgia is part of this strategy and
so you won't be surprised at all to know that the Georgian President,
Mikhail Saakashvili, who ordered the attack on South Ossetia, is a
glove puppet of ... Zbigniew Brzezinski and his Illuminati associates.

And Brzezinski is the power behind ... Barack Obama, the likely next
President of the United States. The moves on the chessboard are now
becoming a blur, so fast are they happening.

Mikhail Saakashvili was brought to power in Georgia by a
CIA-engineered 'Peoples' Revolution', or the 'Revolution of Roses',
brought about by mass public demonstrations against the sitting
President, Eduard Shevardnadze. It came to a head when Shevardnadze
fled the parliament building after demonstrators holding roses,
including Saakashvili, took it over.

The red rose is a major Illuminati symbol and one of their elite
secret societies is called the Order of the Rose.

The Georgian flag, the symbol of the Knights Templar secret society
and also known as the flag of St George, flies over a mass
demonstration that brought Brzezinski's man, Saakashvili, to power.
The sitting president, Eduard Shevardnadze, resigned on Georgia's St
George's Day in 2003.

One of the major funders behind the Rose Revolution was the Jewish
Illuminati financier, George Soros. He has a complex network of
foundations and organisations through which he manipulates countries
across the world in league with the Elite groupings in the United
States and Israel. It was this Soros network, especially his Open
Society Institute, that trained and funded Georgian students in the
art of mass protest and funded the opposition TV station that
mobilized the demonstrations.

George Soros

As Zaza Gachechiladze, editor-in-chief of The Georgian Messenger,
said: 'It's generally accepted public opinion here that Mr. Soros is
the person who planned Shevardnadze's overthrow.'

Soros was also, like Brzezinski, a close 'associate' of Mikhail
Saakashvili, the man they installed as Georgian President, (in the
master-slave definition of 'associate'). Saakashvili is a graduate of
George Washington University in Washington DC and Columbia University
Law School in New York (the university of Brzezinski and Obama). He
was one of a number of American-trained agents controlled by the
Brzezinski-Soros network who were prepared and developed to serve them
in the new Georgian government after the 'Rose Revolution'.

By the way, Brzezinski is Barack Obama's 'Foreign Policy Advisor' (in
truth his mentor and controller) and guess who is one of Obama's major
sources of funding? Yes, George Soros.

So, of course, Obama sang from their song-sheet this week when he
blamed Russia for everything that went on in Georgia and South
Ossetia.

The 'Rose Revolution' was not a revolution by the people at all. The
'people' were played like a violin. It was a coup on Georgia by the
Illuminati networks in America and Israel and it was achieved courtesy
of the Georgian people they now control and manipulate. It has
happened so many times in so many countries.

Mikeil Saakashvili

Saakashvili sent Georgian troops to Iraq to support the American and
British occupation (the Americans flew them back after Russia invaded)
and he has pressed for membership of NATO. Whether this fool tool of
Washington and Tel Aviv fully knows or not, he is simply being used in
a much bigger game called 'bait the Russians'.

When Saakashvili's military attack on South Ossetia backfired (at
least from the Georgian peoples' point of view) as the Russians
retaliated, it was America who led the protests on Georgia's behalf
and sold the lie about Russia being 100% to blame for what has
happened. Brzezinski was out of the traps immediately as he compared
Putin to Hitler and Stalin.

And it was America's associates, Israel, who trained Georgian forces
that carried out the attack in South Ossetia. The Georgian Minister,
Temur Yakobashvili, who is Jewish, praised Israel for its role in
training Georgian troops. Speaking in Hebrew, he told Israel Army
Radio.: 'Israel should be proud of its military, which trained
Georgian soldiers'.

One report claims that some 1,500 'advisors' from Blackwater, the
infamous US 'private military/security' operation, have been on the
ground in Georgia and massive shipments of arms and ammunition have
been supplied by the United States in the last 18 months.

There is no way that Saakashvili ordered his troops to attack South
Ossetia to spark this crisis without getting support and approval,
maybe even direct instruction, from the United States and Israel. He
is their man and he does what they say.

The US-Israel cabal is doing the same throughout the world to achieve
its end of global domination for the Illuminati agenda and wars galore
would not have happened without them and their controllers, the
Rothschild dynasty.

You'll hear people like Brzezinski criticise Israel to publicly
distance himself from his Israel connection, but the Rothschilds
control Israel as they control the Round Table organisations like the
Trilateral Commission that Brzezinski founded on their behalf.

All pawns together.

It's all smoke and mirrors and while the Georgia attacks on South
Ossetia are being seen as a disaster for the Georgian people because
of the Russian response, and a disaster for America and its ambitions
around the Caspian Sea, there is another way to look at this.

Firstly, it doesn't matter to the forces that control Brzezinski and
Soros if what they do makes the Georgian people suffer. That doesn't
register with them when they are planning their dastardly deeds. It's
simply not a factor that's ever considered.

And second, if you look beyond 'America' to the forces that control
America and Russia and China and the European Union and Israel it has
all worked out rather well. They have now triggered more hostility,
unrest, fear and mistrust in this, to them, crucial part of the world.
In short, they have divided and ruled yet again.

They also have American troops and ships arriving in Georgia for
'humanitarian' reasons in the wake of the conflict and this is another
step towards the Third World War that all this global manoeuvring is
eventually leading to - the war to destroy America as a 'superpower'
and bring in the world government dictatorship.

The agreement announced amid the Georgian conflict on Thursday that
the United States is to locate a missile 'defence shield' in Poland
was designed to increase tension and hostility with Russia. It's
called a 'defence shield', but the Russians know it will be able to
fire missiles at them, just as they know that the United States and
Israel were behind the actions of Georgia.

Brzezinski's stated plan for Eurasia is only one level of the game as
it relates to the United States. At higher levels, indeed to
Brzezinski in private, the United States is nothing more than another
pawn to be played off against Russia, China, Iran and whoever else, to
install the goal of a world fascist tyranny.

As Manly P. Hall, the 33rd Degree Freemason and 'Masonry's Greatest
Philosopher', said:

'...  it is so difficult to determine the position of the ancient
initiates ... They are the invisible powers behind the thrones of
earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones
pull the strings. We see the dancer, but the master mind that does the
work remains concealed by the cloak of silence.'

Nothing is what it seems and that is certainly the case with what has
happened in Georgia. It needs to be seen on so many levels, including
where Georgia is located in historical terms. The Illuminati families
are obsessed with their genetics, their symbolism and with the lands
important to their history and so the game plays out on those levels,
also.

Many of the major Illuminati bloodlines, the ones behind the
occupation of Iraq, came out of ancient Sumer and Babylon - the land
we now call Iraq.

Sumerians settled in the Caucasus Mountains region and became known as
the Khazars before moving northwards through the centuries to become
the East and West European Ashkenazi Jews, including the Rothschilds.
Their land of ancient Khazaria is in part now called ... Georgia.

Those Khazars went on to people and control another land closely
connected to what happened in Georgia this week ... Israel.

And the elite of the former Khazars have massive influence in the
government of ... the United States.

There are so many aspects to this, but the most important is the plan
for another world war and in that context the 'Brzezinski doctrine'
for Eurasia and the region around the Caspian Sea can be seen in
another light. He says in The Grand Chessboard:

'Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition
of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an `anti-hegemonic' coalition
united not by ideology but by complementary grievances. It would be
reminiscent in scale and scope of the challenge posed by the
Sino-Soviet bloc, though this time China would likely be the leader
and Russia the follower. Averting this contingency, however remote it
may be, will require a display of U.S. geostrategic skill on the
western, eastern, and southern perimeters of Eurasia simultaneously.'

Brzezinski appears to be describing the possibilities here with regard
to America's best interests, but if you look behind the appearance of
him being an 'American' (he's not, he's from Poland) and understand
that he represents a force that spans national borders and has no
allegiance to America, what he is describing is the perfect trigger
for the Third World War that is designed to destroy America as we know
it.

This week's events in Georgia have taken that outcome another major
step closer and when you appreciate that if 'Obama' is elected in
November then America is actually putting Brzezinski and Soros in the
White House, you can see the potential for global mayhem.

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew Brzezinski
http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218988051&sr=8-2

[Biggs]

great post,, Icke really spells it out

[ramallamamama]

Agreed, I think David Icke nailed it.

[Sasha]

Icke's article was very interesting.   

I did some further reading on the khazar connection and quickly came asross this tid bit,...


..."the Khazars were forced to withdraw behind [north of] the Caucasus [after arab attacks]. In the ensuing decades they extended their territories from the Caspian Sea in the east (many cultures still call the Caspian Sea "Khazar Sea""...  --  wiki (Khazars)


With the heavy divine-right-to-steal-your-stuff principal that the modern Zionists are excercising, there heavy evidence that the Zionists will not stop killing people in the Causasus till they have that square of the chess board.

Fat luck getting most khazar jews to admit they are from a line of Turks but, watch them go to war to take back what was and wasn't theirs. 

So, what's wrong with Turks anyway?  I guess to a fundi we're all goy and bubkis. 

[David Rothscum]

Sigh, always the Khazar stuff. All genetic studies done show the Askhenazi descend from the Israelites and are most similar nowadays to the other semetic people. Both the Sephardic and Askhenazic Kohanim for example have the same Y chromosone markers. The Lemba from Southern Africa who descend from Jews (at least in the male lineage) share the same unique Y chromosone markers as the Kohanim as well. Did the Khazars replace both the Sephardic and Askhenazi jews and travel all the way to Southern Africa? I don't think so, but the myth still lives on.

[trailhound]

The German Chancellor also said that Georgia, will join Nato. 

"Georgia will become a member of Nato if it wants to -- and it does want to," Merkel said.

 Yup and Obama was saying last night when asked what we should go to war for he responded that he would go to war for our NATO allies.  Then he said he opposed spending 15 billion dollars a day on war without having the tax rates to pay for it.

[dogmadestroyer]

Sigh, always the Khazar stuff. All genetic studies done show the Askhenazi descend from the Israelites and are most similar nowadays to the other semetic people. Both the Sephardic and Askhenazic Kohanim for example have the same Y chromosone markers. The Lemba from Southern Africa who descend from Jews (at least in the male lineage) share the same unique Y chromosone markers as the Kohanim as well. Did the Khazars replace both the Sephardic and Askhenazi jews and travel all the way to Southern Africa? I don't think so, but the myth still lives on.

Regardless, Ashkenazi are Europeans at this point and unfortunately the Israeli government sees it fit to steal land from the native population.

[ramallamamama]

Regardless, Ashkenazi are Europeans at this point and unfortunately the Israeli government sees it fit to steal land from the native population.

Nothing new to see here, ask a Palestinian. Please move along.

[Biggs]

EU-NATO order Russia to get out of Georgia or face 'consequences' - ooooh I bet the Russians are scared by the supine followers closing ranks behind Bush and co

Sarkozy threatens 'consequences' as Russia stalls on Georgia pullout
French president demands Moscow honour ceasefire as Medvedev pledges troops will begin withdrawal tomorrow
Ian Traynor in Brussels and Luke Harding in Tbilisi
guardian.co.uk, Sunday August 17 2008 17:14 BST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/17/georgia.russia4?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews



European leaders warned Russia today to withdraw forces rapidly from Georgia or face unspecified "consequences", as Moscow stalled on its pledges to honour a ceasefire and pull back thousands of troops from the Caucasus republic.

With the US and European governments due to meet on Tuesday to consider their options for the first time since the crisis erupted, the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, threatened the Kremlin with an ultimatum for the first time, warning that more delays to a pullout "would have serious consequences on relations between Russia and the European Union".

The French warning echoed similar statements from the Americans in recent days, none of which appear to have rattled the Russians, whose forces remain in firm control of large tracts of Georgia well beyond the two separatist enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

"People are going to begin to wonder if Russia can be trusted," Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said today of the Russian failure to keep its promises.

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, added her voice to the pressure on Moscow after holding talks with the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, in the capital, Tbilisi. She described a Russian retreat as "urgent" and said it should be "very fast, very prompt".

In Moscow, President Dmitri Medvedev told Sarkozy the Russians would start pulling out tomorrow. But there is a yawning gap between what the Russians and the west understand by withdrawal. Today, Russian forces appeared to be entrenching their positions on the ground barely 20 miles from Tbilisi.

Nato foreign ministers are to hold an emergency meeting in Brussels on Tuesday. The Americans could call for a suspension of the Nato-Russia council, a talking shop that dates back more than a decade and symbolises the post-cold war rapprochement that has been shaken by the invasion of Georgia.

The conflict has reopened old rifts among the western allies that recall the old Europe-new Europe divisions over the Iraq war in 2003. France and Germany are keen to maintain smooth relations with Moscow and fear the EU's mediation role will be jeopardised if they take sides.

The eastern Europeans in Nato and the EU are strongly on the side of Georgia, looking not to Brussels, Paris or Berlin but to Washington for leadership. The Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, slammed France and Germany for being too soft on Moscow and complained they were trying to monopolise the EU position.

France was unapologetic. "We have to invent a new language with regard to Russia. That is what the European Union is trying to do," said Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign minister.

Sarkozy, the current EU president who negotiated a six-point ceasefire agreement with the Russians and Georgians last week, called for the "withdrawal, without delay, of all the Russian military forces that entered Georgia since August 7" when the fighting started.

The Russians, with an estimated 10,000 troops and 150 tanks in Georgia, show no intention of withdrawing the entire invasion force and are planning to leave troops in Georgia proper, beyond the two pro-Russian breakaway provinces.

The Kremlin announced that from tomorrow "Russia will begin the withdrawal of the military contingent which was moved to reinforce Russian peacekeepers after the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia." But it stressed that the invasion force would not retreat to Russia but only to South Ossetia, and that Moscow would keep forces in the "security zone".

The Russians intend to establish buffer zones in previously Georgian-controlled territory beyond South Ossetia and Abkhazia. One of the most contentious points of Sarkozy's ceasefire plan allows Moscow "to take additional security measures" beyond the two enclaves until "an international mechanism" is established.

Sarkozy said this weekend that meant there could be no Russian presence in Georgian urban centres. But the Russians take the point as carte blanche to mount security patrols outside South Ossetia and to keep forces deployed in Georgia.

Saakashvili insisted today that he would not be happy until the last Russian soldier had left. "Georgia will never give up a square kilometer of its territory," he said.

The "international mechanism", entailing perhaps UN-mandated international peacekeepers, will take weeks to establish at a minimum. The EU is endeavouring to be the main middleman. But apart from perhaps sending a few dozen unarmed ceasefire monitors in the days ahead, it is unlikely to grapple with the bigger issues of peacekeepers until EU foreign ministers meet in Avignon in France next month.

[David Rothscum]

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29102

The Russian Defence Ministry says it has intelligence that Georgia is planning an act of provocation against its servicemen in the town of Gori.

It believes that Georgians are forming military groups and planning to carry out attacks in the area, dressed in Russian military uniforms.