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Author Topic: GEORGIA: FIGHTING RAGES IN S. OSSETIA, RUSSIAN TANKS HEAD FOR BATTLE  (Read 181304 times)
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« Reply #1320 on: August 13, 2008, 05:53:24 AM »

And I thought Gorbachev & Bush were best of buds?
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« Reply #1321 on: August 13, 2008, 05:54:35 AM »

LOL @ CNN taking their poll down because 92% of over 300,000 people voted that it's peacekeeping and Russia is justified. I bet those bastards are horrified at how abysmally their propaganda efforts have failed.

YAY AWARENESS!

This movement owes itself a pat on the back-- we've been instrumental in getting the truth out, and THAT is a huge poke in the eye to the NWO movement.

Enjoy the occassional obvious win. Maybe it hasn't gotten us so far as to get them removed, but at least they haven't managed to force public opinion the way they wanted, this time.
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« Reply #1322 on: August 13, 2008, 05:55:54 AM »

LOL @ CNN taking their poll down because 92% of over 300,000 people voted that it's peacekeeping and Russia is justified. I bet those bastards are horrified at how abysmally their propaganda efforts have failed.

YAY AWARENESS!

This movement owes itself a pat on the back-- we've been instrumental in getting the truth out, and THAT is a huge poke in the eye to the NWO movement.

Enjoy the occassional obvious win. Maybe it hasn't gotten us so far as to get them removed, but at least they haven't managed to force public opinion the way they wanted, this time.

yes - its a win for us!
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« Reply #1323 on: August 13, 2008, 06:00:10 AM »

now that the conflicts over Cheneys willing to help...I'm just glad i'm not a pawn in cheneys and bush's war machine...these guys should get uniforms and fight themselves.
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« Reply #1324 on: August 13, 2008, 06:22:25 AM »

yes - its a win for us!

Its a win for who?...which part of the NWO are you aligned with?...theirs about 3-4 warring NWO factions...
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« Reply #1325 on: August 13, 2008, 06:25:39 AM »

Its a win for who?...which part of the NWO are you aligned with?...theirs about 3-4 warring NWO factions...

It's a win for anyone who is against the NWO, that the MSM wasn't able to spin this the way they wanted to. It may be a small battle, but it's still a battle won so far.
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« Reply #1326 on: August 13, 2008, 06:34:37 AM »

Yahoo News propaganda?

Russian convoy heads into Georgia, violating truce

TBILISI, Georgia - A Russian military convoy thrust deep into Georgia on Wednesday and Georgian officials said Russian troops bombed and looted the crossroads city of Gori, violating a freshly brokered truce intended to end the conflict.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
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« Reply #1327 on: August 13, 2008, 06:37:25 AM »

Yahoo News propaganda?

Russian convoy heads into Georgia, violating truce

TBILISI, Georgia - A Russian military convoy thrust deep into Georgia on Wednesday and Georgian officials said Russian troops bombed and looted the crossroads city of Gori, violating a freshly brokered truce intended to end the conflict.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

Yes, propaganda. They're using old videos of other cities, that's not even Gori. They picked it up from CNN, who is being lambasted for using false footage of other cities.
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« Reply #1328 on: August 13, 2008, 06:42:59 AM »

It's a win for anyone who is against the NWO, that the MSM wasn't able to spin this the way they wanted to. It may be a small battle, but it's still a battle won so far.

So you think Russia, and China, have nothing to do with the NWO?..China is the NWO..dont you see american life headed toward a police state..with authoritarian rule...I believe we could be a month shy of a communist invasion, to finish off our lifestyles for good....Bush and HU have alot more in common than you think..global elitism, with slaves to do your labor..ahhhhhhhh the NWO dream...
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« Reply #1329 on: August 13, 2008, 07:19:50 AM »

So you think Russia, and China, have nothing to do with the NWO?..China is the NWO..dont you see american life headed toward a police state..with authoritarian rule...I believe we could be a month shy of a communist invasion, to finish off our lifestyles for good....Bush and HU have alot more in common than you think..global elitism, with slaves to do your labor..ahhhhhhhh the NWO dream...

WTF are you talking about? That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. You're introducing extraneous crap to the discussion.

Media lies, trying to force popular opinion to their whim.

Media fails, because other information is dissemenated widely.

That is a win for the people who are dissemenating the other information, that the media was unable in this case to force popular opinion.

Nothing to do with who the NWO is, where the NWO is, what they are doing, who Hu is, who Bushco is, whatever yada yada yada.

I'm talking about ONE THING HERE. You're yammering on about how the whole thing was orchestrated. I don't give a shit whether this little mini-war was orchestrated, I am focusing solely upon the fact that the MSM attempted to force US opinion, and failed abysmally. They want the US to be supportive of Georgia, for whatever reason. It doesn't even matter WHY they wanted the US to be supportive of Georgia... the fact is, that is what they wanted; and the fact is... they failed to get what they wanted.

Again, small victory, sure. But a victory none-the-less. The MSM tried to con the US public, and they not only failed, they failed substantially.

You can argue the nitty gritty of what why who where if you want. Knock yourself out. But it has nothing to do with the little microcosm of what I am talking about. The MSM attempted manipulation and failed. That's GOOD. No matter whether Huhu is NWO or Putin in NWO or whats-his-bucket-too-hard-to-spell from Georgia is NWO... the MSM failed abysmally in their effort to force public opinion, that that means something good. It means a thresh-hold was reached, at least in this one thing, where people were NOT fooled.

So whatever else you want to talk about, I don't really care. Please, carry on, enjoy, lay out all the nets and traps and players. Really, have fun. It doesn't have diddly nor squat to do with my point, though.
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« Reply #1330 on: August 13, 2008, 07:21:24 AM »

I get your point ..sorry if I was rambling..good point.
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« Reply #1331 on: August 13, 2008, 07:26:13 AM »

I get your point ..sorry if I was rambling..good point.

Thanks. Sorry I got frustrated and took a tone with you. Kind of having one of them there days, lol. Not that I'm excusing it, my apology is sincere. Just letting you know it's not about you.

I meant only the MSM's failure to manipulate, not the conflict itself. MSM tries to paint Russia as the bad guy, and even John Q. Public isn't fooled, because there's too much information out there for their propaganda to work. It's a bright day for the "resistance."
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« Reply #1332 on: August 13, 2008, 07:29:20 AM »

ya I'm watching fox news now, to keep abreast of the propoganda...they are playing Russias the bad guy, fulltime...All the chickenhawks are ready to fight now that its over...bush is gonna speak soon..he's so irrelevant.
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« Reply #1333 on: August 13, 2008, 07:44:11 AM »

Georgian villages burned and looted as Russian tanks advance
Mood of panic as eyewitnesses say ceasefire being broken by Russian military and 'irregulars'Luke Harding near Gori,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/13/georgia.russia7
James Meikle and Ian Traynor, Brussels guardian.co.uk, Wednesday August 13 2008

Villages in Georgia were being burned and looted as Russian tanks and soldiers followed by "irregulars" advanced from the breakaway province of South Ossetia, eyewitnesses said today.

"People are fleeing, there is a mood of absolute panic. The idea there is a ceasefire is ridiculous," Luke Harding, the Guardian's correspondent, said.

Earlier, witnesses reported a military convoy heading towards the Georgian capital Tbilisi, but it later turned off the road and headed back towards South Ossetia. Russia denied any advance.

Harding, watching villages near Gori burn, said witnesses had told him Russian military, including at least 25 tanks, had moved from the Russian-controlled South Ossetia into the villages.

"They asked villagers to hang white flags or handkerchiefs outside their houses if they did not want to be shot, they say."

The tanks had passed through the village of Rekha at about 11.20am local time. "Behind them (say eyewitnesses) is a whole column of irregulars who locals say are Chechens, Cossacks and Ossetians.

"Eyewitnesses say they are looting, killing and burning. These irregulars have killed three people and set fire to villages. They have been taking away young boys and girls," said Harding, watching smoke rise from another village, Karaleti.

He said he had witnessed people fleeing in the direction of Tbilisi. "For three hours there were people fleeing in cars, I saw one with 11 people and a Lada with eight people in it." He had also seen people fleeing on a horse and cart and a tractor.

It appeared that Russian tanks had entered Gori, targeting military installations, some built with Nato money.
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The ministry of foreign affairs in Georgia claimed four civilian cars with murdered passengers "were reported to have been seen in the village of Tedotsminda near Gori."

Russia's deputy chief of general staff, Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitisyn, said earlier today that no tanks were in Gori. He claimed Russians went into the town to implement the truce with local officials but could find none.

A reporter from the Associated Press also said fighters from the other separatist region of Abkhazia had moved into Georgian territory, planting their flag on a bridge over the Inguri river and saying they were laying claim to what had historically been Abkhazian territory.

Earlier, Georgia said its troops had pulled out of Abkhazia after the Kremlin had laid down humiliating peace terms as the price for halting the Russian invasion and its four-day rout of Georgian forces.

The ceasefire required both sides to return to positions they held before the conflict started in South Ossetia last week.

The key demands are that the Georgian leader pledges to abjure all use of force to resolve Georgia's territorial disputes with the two breakaway pro-Russian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia; and that Georgian forces withdraw entirely from South Ossetia and are no longer part of the joint "peacekeeping" contingent there with Russian and local forces.

The Russian president, Dimitry Medvedev, also insisted the populations of the two regions had to be allowed to vote on whether they wanted to join Russia, prefiguring a possible annexation that would enfeeble Georgia and leave its leader, Mikheil Saakashvili, looking crushed.

Russian leaders claimed Georgian forces perpetrated atrocities against civilians when Saakashvili gave the go-ahead last week for the bungled attempt to recapture South Ossetia.

The gamble triggered the onslaught which the US state department yesterday described as "plain and simple blatant aggression on the part of Russia".

Georgian forces have been part of the peacekeeping force in South Ossetia for the past 15 years. But Russian leaders declared yesterday the Georgians would not return, and South Ossetia would be under Russian control.

"They shot their brother Russian peacekeepers, then they finished them off with bayonets, so we are not going to see them there any more," said Dmitri Rogozin, the Russian ambassador to Nato in Brussels.

While Nato leaders in Brussels stressed that South Ossetia and Abkhazia were part of Georgia, Medvedev encouraged the secession of the two breakaway regions.

"Ossetians and Abkhaz must respond to that question taking their history into account, including what happened in the past few days," he said.

Western officials at Nato, in the EU, in the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and in Washington, while calling for an immediate ceasefire, also demanded that Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity be upheld.

Following a meeting of Nato states yesterday, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, Nato's secretary general, accused Russia of not respecting Georgia's territorial integrity. "Abkhazia and Ossetia, if I mention territorial integrity, are to the best of my knowledge part of Georgia." He added that "Nato is not seeking a direct role or a military role in this conflict".
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« Reply #1334 on: August 13, 2008, 07:54:59 AM »

Richard Haas is on cnn right now creating spin. LOL lets not have a congressman or govt rep on lets have a goon from the CFR on! what a joke.
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« Reply #1335 on: August 13, 2008, 08:31:15 AM »

FYI---

Alex did an amazing in depth analysis of the Georgian/Russian ala Brzezinski-orchestrated conflict on his show yesterday with Webster Tarpley as guest. It will still be playing/looping on their continuous On-Demand stream until later today, after which they replace it with today's show.

Alex Jones On Demand
http://www.gcnlive.com/Programs/AlexJones/On_Demand.html

Use your favorite media player to load the streaming media file to listen.
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« Reply #1336 on: August 13, 2008, 08:39:12 AM »

http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=5505

Russia masses naval force opposite Georgia’s third sensitive region, Ajaria

While the world’s attention was fixed on the Russian-Georgian contest over two breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, DEBKAfile’s exclusive military sources reveal that Russia has massed a fleet of warships and marine forces opposite the Gerogia's semi-autonomous Black Sea region of Ajaria.

Moscow is preparing to punish what it regards as Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s further provocations by occupying this coastal strip on Georgia’s southwestern border with Turkey.

The appearance of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yushchenko alongside Saakashvili, leaders of the pro-Western Orange and Rose Revolutions, at a huge national rally outside the Georgian parliament in Tbilisi Tuesday night, Aug. 12, may well be seen by the Kremlin as over the top. It came hours after Russian President Dimitry Medvedev’s gesture to the European mediation bid of ordering the Russian military operation in Georgia halted there and then.

Half of Ajaria’s ethnically Georgian population professes Islam, in contrast to the country’s Christian majority. The other half is Russian.

Ajarian has come to mean a Georgian Muslim.

The Russian Black Sea buildup is deployed opposite the Ajurian capital of Batumi, an important port for the shipment of oil from Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. Its oil refinery handles Caspian oil from Azerbaijan.

When Saakashvili was elected president five years ago, the region’s leaders refused to recognize his authority and maintained close ties with Moscow up until May 2004 when, after Ajurians demonstrated against Tbilisi, he ordered them to obey the Georgian constitution and disarm.

Russia maintained a military base at Batumi which it agreed to close by November 2007.

DEBKAfile’s sources report that by recovering the base, Moscow will not only punish the Georgian president, but also profit from the turmoil of the past week in three ways:

1. A third semi-autonomous province will be hacked off Georgian territory after the loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

2. Russia will gain a strategic Black Sea foothold at Turkey’s back door.

3. It will also control a gateway to Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Armenia.
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« Reply #1337 on: August 13, 2008, 09:10:32 AM »

I heard a version (sorry if it is stupid) that... respublicans force the Georgia to attack such regions as S.Osetia and Abhazia hoping that it will give to McCain extra election points with his anti-russian rhetoric?...
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« Reply #1338 on: August 13, 2008, 09:22:54 AM »

mccain should be in shackles, for inciting wars.. while representing the US senate..where do these guys get off?..
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« Reply #1339 on: August 13, 2008, 09:26:27 AM »



  The Russians want the neocons and their puppet (the Georgian president) out of Georgia!  And let's not forget the Israelis.
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« Reply #1340 on: August 13, 2008, 09:26:42 AM »

I see that the crazies are doing their best again  Roll Eyes

Oh boy, just saw Bushes speach on RT, hidden war rhetorics. Sigh. He said humanitarian help will start via air and sea, I wonder where the 6th Fleet is at the moment? I bet they are already in the black sea. Does anyone know where I can find latest news on fleet movement?

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« Reply #1341 on: August 13, 2008, 09:36:37 AM »

I see that the crazies are doing their best again  Roll Eyes

Oh boy, just saw Bushes speach on RT, hidden war rhetorics. Sigh. He said humanitarian help will start via air and sea, I wonder where the 6th Fleet is at the moment? I bet they are already in the black sea. Does anyone know where I can find latest news on fleet movement?

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They are likely trying to maximize the chance for an 'accident'. I mean, there are a huge amount of aid agencies willing to provide aid as long as there is a cease fire. There is absolutely no reason to use the military for this.

The Russian foreign ministry already picked up on the 'by sea aid delivery' comment in an direct interview with CNN, and found it a rather strange move to make. And this would mean that the US would already have the means to 'deliver' this aid in the area, kinda weird...
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« Reply #1342 on: August 13, 2008, 10:11:28 AM »

Ukraine restricts movements of Russian Black Sea Fleet
http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080813183728.shtml


      RBC, 13.08.2008, Kiev 18:37:28.President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has signed into law two resolutions of the National Security and Defense Council of August 13, 2008 limiting the movements of the Russian Black Sea Fleet outside its base and the crossing of the Ukrainian borders by the fleet, the Ukrainian President's press office has reported.

      For ships or aircraft of the Russian Black Sea Fleet to cross Ukraine's border, the command should notify Ukraine's General Staff 72 hours prior to the proposed move. The notice must contain such information as what armament, munitions, explosives or other military property and equipment such vessels or aircraft carry. If Ukraine's General Staff gives the green light, Russia's Black Sea Fleet must advise Ukraine's frontier guards and customs authorities of its military vessels or aircraft going out of and into Ukraine's waters or airspace no later than 1 day before such maneuvers.
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« Reply #1343 on: August 13, 2008, 10:12:08 AM »

well the armada thats supposedly heading for iran might be close by (also the ships that were due to take place in an exercise with russia on friday), hard to know exactly where some of the usa's carrier groups are.
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« Reply #1344 on: August 13, 2008, 10:15:09 AM »

EU diplomats keen to avoid Russia controversy
http://euobserver.com/9/26605
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EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The French EU presidency is expected to endorse the Russia-Georgia ceasefire, offer humanitarian aid and urge EU unity in a statement after an EU foreign ministers meeting on Wednesday (13 August), with Paris keen to avoid controversy on who to blame for the crisis.

Preparatory discussions by EU diplomats on Tuesday saw a group of former communist states speak in "sharp language" about Russia, but the tone was "less radical than they used for their domestic press," one diplomat who attended the debates told EUobserver.
 
"The presidency thinks, right now, it's better to focus on problem-solving, rather than trying to go into characterisation of the war, who started what, who reacted, and the EU is united behind the idea," he added. "The presidency wants to preserve as much room for manoeuvre for future mediation as possible."

Wednesday's EU statement will probably be a French declaration rather than a formal joint position by all 27 countries, an EU official said.

"The situation is still evolving. It's not black and white. Of course, Georgia made some mistakes, Russia made some mistakes. But the idea now is to help mediation, to see what we can do from a humanitarian point of view."

The declaration is likely to fall short of Georgian hopes, with Georgia's EU ambassador, Salome Samadashvili, saying she would like the EU to label Russia's behaviour as an "act of aggression," condemn the bombing of the Georgian town of Gori, cast doubt on EU-Russia negotiations on a new strategic pact and reaffirm Georgia's territorial integrity.

The foreign ministers meeting will begin with a briefing by France's Bernard Kouchner, who came to Brussels from Tbilisi on Tuesday night after taking part in talks between French president Nicolas Sarkozy and Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili.

Russia and Georgia on Tuesday signed a Russian-drafted, six-point ceasefire plan which calls for troops to pull back and for international talks about the "modalities of security and stability" in Georgian separatist regions.

Shockwaves

The five day war erupted when Georgia fired on Russia-backed rebels in the Georgian province of South Ossetia last Friday (8 August) and Russia launched a massive retaliation, moving tanks deep into Georgian territory, mobilising its navy and ordering bombing raids.

The fighting killed hundreds of civilians and shocked former communist EU states, as well as Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia and Azerbaijan, some of which fear that a newly-assertive Russia will try to undermine other pro-western neighbours in future.

"The EU should say 'no' [to Russia's subjugation of Georgia] and push Russia out. This means tough language, sanctions [against Russia] and quick EU humanitarian intervention," a diplomat from one of the former communist EU states said, looking at the EU's policy options down the line.

The Russian incursion into Georgia was clearly "military aggression" and should bear "costs" in terms of EU-Russia relations, but a suspension of the current Partnership and Cooperation Agreement or a symbolic arms export embargo would be ineffective, European Council on Foreign Relations analyst, Nicu Popescu, said.

The EU's main focus should instead be the swift deployment of an impartial, international peacekeeping force made up of UN or EU soldiers and civilian monitors followed by a donors' conference to help rebuild the war zone, he advised.

"The first lesson of this crisis is that the old policy of EU non-engagement has encouraged both parties to escalate their actions. From an EU perspective, the first casualty is the theory that by getting more involved in Georgia, the EU will irritate Russia and provoke instability."

Mr Sarkozy in Moscow on Tuesday spoke of the possibility of an EU peacekeeping mission, with Estonia quickly offering to send troops.

Peacekeeping conundrum

But creating a force that will be acceptable to all sides could prove hard, with Russia's NATO ambassador, Dmitry Rogozin, on Tuesday ruling out any Georgian component, while Ms Samadashvili said no Russian troops can take part.

Last year, Russia and Estonia were involved in an ugly row over Tallinn's decision to move a Soviet-era statue from its city centre. And the current Russia-Georgia conflict has injected bitterness into international relations beyond Europe.

Russia's Mr Rogozin at a briefing in Brussels on Tuesday complained that NATO had listened to Georgian delegates but failed to convene a NATO Russia Council as planned, implying that Georgia ally, the US, secretly knew about Georgia's plans to attack the South Ossetia rebels last week.

"I suspect the American allies will be ashamed to discuss this with their European colleagues," he said.
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« Reply #1345 on: August 13, 2008, 10:15:49 AM »

http://georgia.usembassy.gov/usaid2.html

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http://geiiwebsite.web-prs.com/

Does anyone know more about these programs?

Seems like the American neo clowns have had their "solution" on standby. Seems that way to me anyway. Is this like the global FEMA?
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« Reply #1346 on: August 13, 2008, 10:32:38 AM »

this could easily be used as a way for Russia and Ukraine tensions to be ramped up by the Brzezinski faction or by Putin's gang, either way it could spell further trouble ahead
Russian planes were downed by Georgian systems operated by Ukrainiancrews - Russian military

http://www.interfax.com/3/419149/news.aspx

     DUSHANBE.  Aug  13  (Interfax-AVN)
  -  Russian  planes  which  flew
missions  in  the  peace enforcement operation in Georgia were shot down
with air  defense  systems  supplied  by  Ukraine  and  other countries,
members  of  a  Russian  military  delegation  said on Wednesday after a
meeting  of  the  Air Defense Coordinating Council of the CIS Council of
Ministers in Dushanbe.
     "According  to  information  available to us, a Tupolev Tu-22 long-
range supersonic  bomber  and  several  Sukhoi Su-25 jets were shot down
with S-200  and  TOR  surface-to-air  systems,  supplied  to  Georgia by
Ukraine.  Ukrainian  crews  were  operating  the air defense systems," a
member of the Russian military delegation said.
     Besides  Ukrainian  air  defense systems, Georgia received surface-
to-air missile  systems from the United States and other NATO countries,
for free,  according  to  experts. Israel also participated in upgrading
Georgia air defense system.
     The  Ukrainian  Air  Force's  headquarters  chief  Lt.  Gen. Mykola
Petrrushenko  earlier  said  no  information  was  available  to  him on
Ukrainian arms shipments to Georgia.
     "I  have  no  data  on  Ukrainian weapons shipments to Georgia," he
said.
     The Russian Air Force lost four plans in Georgia: one Tupolev Tu-22
bomber and  three  Su-25  fighter  jets,  according to a Russian Defense
Ministry report.

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« Reply #1347 on: August 13, 2008, 10:47:38 AM »

The Bear And The NWO
By Karl Schwarz
8-12-8
 
The absurdity of the warmongering actions of Georgia, the US-Zionist Israel puppet regime, came to full light in a speech by President Saakashvili on BBC Monday August 11, 2008:
 
"What we are seeing from the Russians is the cold-blooded, calculated, premeditated murder of a small nation."
 
The Georgians attacked Russia and South Ossetia. Now this Globalist Zionist liar is trying to re-write the history of his own actions.  Same old NWO head games: black is white, up is down, war is peace.  And accountability is only for suckers and wimps.
 
On Tuesday, August 12, David Sackur of BBC Hardtalk was interviewing David Bakradze, chairman of the Georgian Parliament.  None of the Georgian leaders will say WHY they invaded South Ossetia.  As Hardtalk ended, Bakradze was asked if this confrontation with Russia would validate Georgia's bid to become a NATO member.   
 
Bakradze made the clear statement "What is going on now in Georgia is a test case.  This is about the Russian view of the New World Order versus the West view of the New World Order.  If Russia wins it will validate the Russian view of the New World Order."
 
NOW, FINALLY, we know why the US, Israel and Georgia attacked South Ossetia.  It should now be clear to all Americans that the BushCo Zionist Oil-Soaked Criminal Cartel's view of the New World Order has been flatly rejected. Bush has accomplished nothing during his 8 years in office but mayhem and lies and mass murder.
 
As of Tuesday morning, Russia has attacked in the western part of Georgia along the Black Sea, apparently against new Georgian troop build-ups there.  For all practical purposes, in response to being attacked by Georgia, US and Israel, Russia has cut Georgia in half and what remains under control by the "Saakashvili Regime' may be 'landlocked' by the end of Tuesday or Wednesday.   
 
Russia just made it clear what it thinks of BushCo Pipeline Dreams and BushCo vision of the New World Order.   
 
Of course, their co-conspirators over in DC are calling it 'a disproportionate response" and Deadeye Dick says "Russia's actions must be responded to."
 
Lies, liars and damnable liars. (Cut the DEAL WITH IRAN you morons!)
 
I am not sure how many Americans know about the two wars Russia fought with Chechnya or even where Chechnya is located.  Not many, that's certain.  I have met too many Americans who can't even name the states that are adjacent to their own home states. And speaking to these multitudes of dumbed-down American cattle is the same endless stream of pancake make-up covered, hair-sprayed talking head 'internationally-recognized experts' on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran - all of them spewing the same contrived DC bullshit like so much pungent, putrid McDonalds fast-food.  Meals of fast food sound bites for the masses.   
 
The Zionist US media is nothing but a mouthpiece, a bullhorn, for US Zionist policy and an extension of every damned lie DC can dream up.
 
Poor, dumb Americans...sitting around uncountable dens, offices and local coffee shop roundtables discussing nonsensical, ill-informed crap that was never true, isn't true now and never will be true. Many Americans can't even find on a map the nations they are such 'experts' on...and will never see the world as it really is.   
 
Many Americans heard the "Al Qaeda rebels in Chechnya" and bought into the lies that the skirmishes were with Islamic "Al Qaeda" extremists. I, for one, will be glad when Americans figure out that Al Qaeda is the damned CIA that is the bottom line, folks.
 
Those wars were before 9-11 but were part of US policy and CIA actions to pave the way for the takeover of the Caspian Basin. The Chechnya confrontation was the New World Order trying to impose itself on Russia for a pipeline right-of-way.  Read on.
 
Well, let's try Geography 101 and see if anyone in America wakes up to the realities of the matter. With Georgia and Russia at war right now, let's see if a map will clue in those clueless Americans.
 
Note on the map, Chechnya is directly next door to Georgia, and the US and Israel just pushed Georgia into an attack on Russia. There is a war going on there RIGHT NOW to push Russia back...and it is NOT working. The blowback from Russia has been exactly what I expected...ferocious.
 
Even with all of this 'help' from the US and Israel, the Georgian military has been laid to waste. This is not Iraq 1991, this is 2008 and the New Russia is for real. They are a Superpower economically and militarily...but unlike the US they do not owe $1 to anyone. Like China, they are cash rich and much of Russia's wealth is due solely to Stupid George Bush, the weakened dollar, the soaring costs of oil and natural gas.
 
 
 

 
 
As part of this idiot Grand Chessboard scheme, the morons in DC thought they could turn certain areas of Russia against Russia....but it has failed miserably, and these idiots will not stop trying to change what other people have already decided they want as their future.
 
They are getting desperate because this brain seizure was so big it was like a nuke going off. They reached, they failed...and America is falling into the abyss to its death.
 
Fact of life folks - to try to build a 'safe' pipeline from Kazakhstan through Dagestan, and CHECHNYA and then into Georgia to the Black Sea, OUR CIA and DOD stirred up a hell's nest in Chechnya...hoping that part of Russia would roll over for this ZIONIST LUNACY. They failed.
 
The other 'safe way' is called PEACE WITH RUSSIA.  That cannot happen until we get rid of the Russia-hating Zionist lunatics in DC, London and Tel Aviv. Getting rid of these lying, murderous assholes would only be topped by the Second Coming of Christ as to making this world a better place.
 
That is a fact...and Americans need to wake the hell up to the realities of that fact.
 
In the prior piece Operation Dagestan, I showed other maps as to how this Caspian Basin area lays out in REAL WORLD geography, not the constant bullshit and propaganda Americans are fed 24/7 by DC and Zionist main stream media to fuel their coffee roundtable bullshit sessions in Outback, America.
 
They just show the small map on US TV. I have been watching this trick for years. They do not want Americans to connect the dots.  Dots like...there is the Black Sea, and there is Georgia, and next to that there are Chechnya, Dagestan and Azerbaijan, and next to that is the Caspian Sea, and next to that is the Caspian Basin....mother lode of trillions of dollars in oil and gas these lying, murderous pricks have been after for THREE DECADES.
 
Their biggest fear in DC is Americans seeing the real truth and starting to refuse to support this lunacy.
 
I remember the US media reports on Chechnya well. They never, not even once on any news report I saw, disclosed that it was next door to their pipeline row component of GEORGIA. They know Americans are too stupid to read a map of America, much less a map of the world.
 
Note on the above map - 'NORTH OSSETIA" - and folks, there is a war in SOUTH OSSETIA right now. Get it?
 
Since they could not grab Chechnya, and since they could not get Dagestan, now these idiots think the only other alternative is attack Russia and push them out of South Ossetia.  Never mind 99% of the people there are Russian citizens.
 
The 'boogeyman' Russia is too close to this crucial pipeline right-of-way. These idiot strategy planners decided it was time for a war to back Russia away from their geostrategic 'imperative' pipeline.
 
Get it?
 
They got their asses handed to them on a platter and many are dead due to this idiot move on South Ossetia.  Russia won. Get it?
 
I am waiting for the reports. Many dead Russians in South Ossetia, but more importantly many dead American and Israeli military advisors, and many dead co-conspirators such as Ukrainians and mercenaries the US hired for this 'gig".
 
They are trying to back Russia up but the Bear doesn't do reverse.  The Bear is going to attack and rip some asses to pieces after suffering over 15 years of lies and bullshit, and terrorism and murder put forth by DC, London and Tel Aviv.   
 
The Georgian army, led by US and Israeli advisors, attacked South Ossetia on August 8 and Russia has thrown everything but nukes in reply.  Why? Because RUSSIA IS FED UP WITH THE US AND UK AND ISREAL AND THESE CONSTANT ACTS OF WAR AND TERRORISM AGAINST RUSSIA.
 
Restraint from the Russian Bear is OVER, DONE, FINISHED.
 
Get it?
 
Chechnya is Russia. Get it? Dagestan is Russia. Get it? North and South Ossetia are Russia. Get it? That all borders the US Zionist puppet regime in Georgia.  Get it? It is all about a pipeline.  Get it?
 
 

 
 
There is no 're-emergence of the Cold War' on the horizon. The only thing on the horizon is a HOT WAR and it will be hotter than Americans can bear.
 
That is why the EU is freaking out now...because Russia can turn off most of its oil and gas valves and put the entire EU economy under. Most of the oil that goes through the current BTC pipeline that goes through Georgia goes to the EU...and Europe is starting to feel the heat of yet another STUPID US and ISRAEL stunt.
 
All that said...and trust me on this, too...you haven't BEGUN to see stupid yet.  Just wait until either the US or Israel attacks Iran, and the EU finds out how much oil and gas it will NOT get for a long time.  Many EU nations get from 10% to 25% of all of their energy from Iran, and here we have winter coming on and Russia in the driver's seat, not George W Booze-Brain Bush.
 
Operating out of Azerbaijan, our CIA created the war in Chechnya, largely bankrolled by exiled Zionist Russian oligarch (living like Royalty in London) Boris Berezovsky (failed); they tried to upend Dagestan (failed); and they are now tried to take over South Ossetia...and they failed miserably on all counts once again.
 
They have killed *Russian* people to get their way and Russia remembers things for a long, long time.  The Bear remembers all too well what the Bolshevik zhids did to them with Communism and Joe Stalin's slaughter of up to 40 million Russians.  The Bear is about to strike back...in spades...if these BushCo zhid killers don't pull WAY back and suck their thumbs for a while. 
 
By the time Russia decides to stop bombing Georgia back into the Stone Age (until it gets a non-Zionist/CIA regime change) maybe Georgia will finally figure out that the US and Israel sent them on a Charge of the Light Brigade mission of total national suicide.
 
What is hilarious is watching Saakashvili pointing the map at how little 'beach frontage' Georgia has remaining on the Black Sea.  It is apparent that Russia is going to leave the door open for their precious pipeline but Russia is NOT going to back up 100km, or 500km to accommodate idiot 'strategic planners' in DC.   
 
The Bear just put it in 'park'...and the Bear is not moving.
 
It will not take the Russian Air Force many more days to level the entire infrastructure of Georgia.  God help them if Russia gets fed up with 'Zionist shits and giggles' and sends 10-15 armored divisions along with the air force.
 
Watching the BBC, it's clear Russia is going to completely cut Georgia in half and leave the BushCo Zionists with ZERO Black Sea frontage for their last gasp pipeline.
 
Ok, now, let's see if anyone can connect these dots. September 11, 2001, Bush launches the fake Global War on Terror and has blown it bigtime.  His only 'success' is in the destruction of further Constitutional rights and liberties in his own country.  It was a lie from Day One. It was all about that damned BushCo pipeline across Afghanistan...just like the current crisis in Georgia is about another US pipeline...this one headed to the Black Sea. That had to create a mental illusion of 'terrorism' for Americans with 9-11, so they would go back to shopping and let Bullshit George go defend America on the world stage.
 
Biggest damned mistakes the American people have made in my lifetime were in trusting George W Bush...William Jeffereson Clinton and George H W Bush.
 
Before Bush was waging a war based 100% on lies in Afghanistan, the CIA started a war with Russia in Chechnya for another pipeline linking to Kazakhstan. Check a calendar if you do not have a mind for chronology and facts. This was from 1994 forward to about 2000 - the same period of time the US was trying to upend the entire area to suit US objectives. 
 
Those oil and gas leases and those pipelines took advanced preparations, and all just waiting on 9-11 to put the entire lunatic plan into action.
 
Now that you know where Dagestan and Chechnya are, this reading can fill you in on dates:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
 
This all had nothing whatsoever to do with 'defending America'...but it has everything to do with oil, gas and critical pipelines, and lining the right DC, London and TelAviv pockets.
 
Bush attacks Afghanistan based on lies to take over a pipeline right-of-way the Taliban balked at..  A failure to this day.
 
Bush attacks, destroys Iraq based on yet a bigger pack of lies and another large block of oil.  They are just now trying to begin to tap into Iraq's oil, bigtime.
 
Prior to all of that the CIA was trying to get Georgia, Chechnya, Dagestan into bed with US objectives, so the US and UK would have pipelines and wide rights-of-way to get the oil and gas out of a landlocked area.
 
The DoD had war games in Georgia that ended July 31, remember?  And just 8 days later, US puppet Georgia, led by US and Israeli advisors, attacked South Ossetia, which just happens to border with NORTH Ossetia and is next door to Chechnya.  Georgia just happens to be a pipeline right-of-way to the Black Sea.  But now the Bear is sitting on western
Geogia and access to the Black Sea. Ooops.  Another BIG dirty Bush diaper.
 
Get the picture folks? 
 
They wanted awider right-of-way and South Ossetia was in the way.  It is that damned simple in their retarded, fatassed minds. Unfortunately for them, the Bear said, "NO."
 
This is all a damned lie and it is all about US oil and gas and packing the pockets of a bunch of warmongering billionaire scumbags that most of us would not care to have a cup of coffee with.
 
A lot of young Russian men, women and children died or were maimed in Chechnya due to a war the US CIA started there with the Zionist Berevosky, and Russia never forgets. And now the Bear is sitting on Georgia.
 
GET IT?
 
In the period 1994-2000, Russia was not in a position to project power like the US. Today, Russia could easily take out an entire nuclear carrier attack force. Or, several of them...n just a few minutes.  They are floating steel graveyards.
 
Times have changed...and Russia is not a nation to insult and try to bully like the idiots in DC, London and Tel Aviv have done all of my life. 
 
The US objective was to take over Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, but, and this is a major BUT, it is a landlocked area and pipelines must be able to take the oil and gas to the sea.  Forget about rail transit, there is far too much oil and gas involved.
 
They had to have control of Afghanistan and Pakistan to get oil out of the Caspian Basin region to the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean. Get it?
 
Neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan are aligned with them now. They have managed to piss off that entire part of the world with US demands, lies, killing and bullshit.
 
They conspired to flip Chechnya to get that pipeline right-of-way. They lost, Russia won.
 
Repeated attempts have been made by OUR CIA to take over Dagestan. CIA lost, Russia won.
 
They finally got a puppet government installed in Georgia with the Zionist Globalist US-educated Saakashvili, and his dual Israeli citizen Zionist Jew Defense chief.
 
Look at the map people. They wanted Dagestan, Chechnya and Georgia so they had their pipeline pathway located a safe distance from the Russian boogeyman.
 
It never occurred to these idiots of the true Axis Of Evil in DC, London and Tel Aviv that the people who live in these areas prefer Russia to them. That is fact. Except for who the CIA bribed, bought or extorted, almost all of the people in these areas hate the US with a passion, and will for decades to come. It is not due to our freedoms, it is due to these arrogant gangsters in DC thinking they have the freedom to do whatever they want to other human beings anywhere, any time, any way they choose.
 
These killer gangsters refuse to change 'US policy' towards Iran because they intend to 'IRAQ IRAN' at their earliest opportunity...and that will set off the biggest shit storm since World War II, but this time it will truly be a WORLD WAR involving three superpowers - two superpowers against the US and most of the world siding with those other two.
 
The WORLD is fed up with America people. They are fed up with the lies, the terrorism, the plundering, the intimidation and massive killing the Axis of Evil out of DC, London and Tel Aviv do again and again. And worse, they get by with it because Americans are such idiots they do not stop and think that what they just heard on TV are all damned lies.
 
So, right in front of your eyes there is Dagestan, Chechnya and Georgia, so they can get a pipeline to the Black Sea.
 
Get it?
 
They have enraged so many people, their only hope of getting that pipeline is across Azerbaijan and Georgia.  The rest of the areas have emphatically said NYET.
 
Now, unless you want to be stuck in a foxhole over there and getting the dog shit kicked out of you and raining down on your head, WAKE UP.  For the love of God, America, wake up to what these lying Zionist thugs are up to.
 
Our leaders are liars and world criminals, and this has all been about oil, natural gas and pipelines and stuffing just the right pockets in the US and London and Tel Aviv.
 
The world is at the edge of the abyss. WAKE UP.
 
This is a summation of how incredibly stupid these people in DC are. The closest point that South Ossetia was to their precious pipeline route is 55km. This attack on South Ossetia was to push Russia back so they would be hundreds of kilometers from that pipeline.
 
It never occurs to the stupid bastards that a Russian jet from 1,000km away, or a few Russian Iskander missiles could take that pipeline out in minutes. Their 'rationale' in attacking South Ossetia was because Russian tanks could go that 55km and take over their precious pipeline in 1 hour. I kid you not. That is how myopic these shitheads are.
 
This Georgia fiasco was all about backing Russia up, so tanks could not be on top of their precious pipeline in about 1 hour.   
 
These 'war planners' are sick, dumb bastards, and, trust me, none of them are going to push Russia back even one inch, much less 1,000 miles.
 
These people are shallow, murderous and stupid, too stupid to lead America and certainly too stupid to be "Masters of Planet Earth."
 
In the Clinton and Bush view of the NEW WORLD ORDER, they think they are entitled to carve up Russia any way they see fit and Russia is making it clear that they do not. Brzezinski actually has a drawn plan to carve Russia into four pieces.  Honest.  He's insane. 
 
Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia and South Ossetia as a pipeline route is the WEST'S view of the New World Order, and it has been flatly rejected by the entire Caspian Basin area except for Azerbaijan and Georgia.
 
Get the picture now?
 
I have a prediction. Zionist Israel is about to find out the full extent of what an enemy they have in Russia.   Russia already has US in checkmate,  The Zionist zhids and their 'democracy' of Israel are next.
 
Karl
 
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« Reply #1348 on: August 13, 2008, 10:51:08 AM »

Wonder what Tarpley would say about this?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121842762192729075.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

McCain Adviser Was
Lobbyist for Georgia
By MARY JACOBY
August 11, 2008; Page A5

John McCain's top foreign-policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, is a leading expert on U.S.-allied Georgia -- and was a paid lobbyist for the former Soviet republic until March, in the run-up to what has become a major battle between Georgia and Russia.

 
Democratic rival Barack Obama's presidential campaign was quick to try to paint Mr. Scheunemann's dual roles as a conflict of interest after Sen. McCain swiftly took Georgia's side in the dispute, and cited it as evidence that Sen. McCain is "ensconced in a lobbyist culture," as Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan told reporters over the weekend.

But given the rapid escalation of the fighting, and the fact that Georgia is being viewed as a victim of its neighbor's aggression, Mr. Scheunemann's ties to the small nation and its pro-Western Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili may look less like a weakness and more like a strength in the first foreign-policy crisis of the general election campaign.

"In a major international crisis, what is their response?" Mr. Scheunemann said of the Obama campaign in an interview Sunday. "To take a cheap shot at me, as if helping a struggling democracy is somehow wrong." Mr. Scheunemann took a formal leave of absence from his two-person lobbying firm earlier this year amid controversy over Sen. McCain's ties to lobbyists.

Mr. Scheunemann's firm, Orion Strategies, continues to represent Georgia in Washington, and signed a new $200,000 contract with the country in April. Mr. Scheunemann remains an owner of the firm, though he is no longer registered to lobby for it. Mr. Scheunemann said he has made more than a dozen trips to Georgia since he began lobbying for the country in 2004.

The crisis puts a spotlight on Mr. Scheunemann, 48 years old, who has long been a leading neoconservative voice in the American foreign-policy debate. He played a prominent role advocating for toppling Saddam Hussein, serving in 2002 as executive director of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. At a key moment before the war, he helped to line up allies in "New Europe" -- notably former Soviet bloc states like Latvia -- to write a letter in support of the invasion. That came as "Old Europe" American allies like France and Germany resisted.

Mr. Schueneman has made a career in lobbying for countries, including Georgia, that aspire to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia's objections to expansion of the Western military alliance are a factor in the current assault in the Caucasus.

As a foreign-policy aide to then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott in 1997, Mr. Scheunemann accompanied Sen. McCain on a trip to the newly independent former Soviet republic. At a dinner, Sen. McCain first met Mr. Saakashvili, who had been a law student in Washington, and was then a young reform-minded Georgian parliamentarian, Mr. Scheunemann said.

In 2003, Sen. McCain returned to Georgia and gave a speech calling on then-President Eduard Shevardnadze to conduct fair presidential and parliamentary elections. The elections weren't perceived as fair, however, and democratic activists launched the protests known as the Rose Revolution that led to Mr. Saakashvili's gaining power.

In August 2006, Sen. McCain returned to Georgia on another congressional delegation, visiting Mr. Saakashvili at a presidential villa on the Black Sea. While Mr. Scheunemann watched from a dock, Sen. McCain and the Georgian leader rode jet skis together, Mr. Scheunemann said.

"He knows all the top players" in Georgia, Zeyno Baran, an analyst on energy and the Caucasus region at the Hudson Institute in Washington, said of Mr. Scheunemann.

Mr. Scheunemann is an architect of the U.S.-led expansion of NATO to include former Soviet satellite states, a bipartisan policy begun under the Clinton administration intended to contain Russia.

But in the 1990s and early 2000s Russia had little economic and diplomatic power to stop its former satellites and republics -- including Poland, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Romania -- from joining the Western alliance.

Sen. McCain has said that NATO leaders' failure to advance Georgia's application for membership at a summit of the alliance in Romania earlier this year emboldened Russia to invade.

Mr. Scheunemann said he had foreseen the possibility of a Russian attack on Georgia. He had long counseled President Saakashvili to avoid overreacting to provocations from the Russian-backed breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia that are at the center of the current conflict, these people say.

"At all sort of critical moments, when there have been repeated Russian provocations, Randy was a calming influence" advising Georgians against responding to Russia with military action, Ms. Baran said.

Mr. Scheunemann's firm has earned more than $2 million since 2004 lobbying U.S. officials, including Sen. McCain and his staff, on behalf of various clients including Georgia, records show.
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« Reply #1349 on: August 13, 2008, 10:59:52 AM »

this quote needs to be in this thread too cause so many of you were calling it on friday.

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Saakashvili told CNN Western leaders had "failed to analyze Russia's intentions" before it invaded Georgia and "are partly to blame" for the current situation. iReport.com: Share your story of how the crisis is affecting you

"The response has not been adequate," Saakashvili said. "Not only those people who are committing all those atrocities are responsible, but those who don't react to that, I think they also share responsibility."[/quote]

 I know its not a laughing matter, but its funny that people around here have more intelligence than these leaders.
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« Reply #1350 on: August 13, 2008, 11:05:15 AM »

Wonder what Tarpley would say about this?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121842762192729075.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

McCain Adviser Was
Lobbyist for Georgia

By MARY JACOBY
August 11, 2008; Page A5

John McCain's top foreign-policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, is a leading expert on U.S.-allied Georgia -- and was a paid lobbyist for the former Soviet republic until March, in the run-up to what has become a major battle between Georgia and Russia.

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Webster Tarpley talked about the Georgian connections to the current admin and Zbig.
listen to Alex Jones on Demand today before it gets replaced with new show--Tarpley did an extended piece on the connections.

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« Reply #1351 on: August 13, 2008, 11:09:51 AM »

The Bear And The NWO
By Karl Schwarz
8-12-8
 
The absurdity of the warmongering actions of Georgia, the US-Zionist Israel puppet regime, came to full light in a speech by President Saakashvili on BBC Monday August 11, 2008:
 
"What we are seeing from the Russians is the cold-blooded, calculated, premeditated murder of a small nation."

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Thanks for that great read!  Everyone should scroll up and take the time to take it all in.
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« Reply #1352 on: August 13, 2008, 11:31:52 AM »

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Webster Tarpley talked about the Georgian connections to the current admin and Zbig.
listen to Alex Jones on Demand today before it gets replaced with new show--Tarpley did an extended piece on the connection
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yeah but Web was saying McCain or Hillary would be better...NOT!
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« Reply #1353 on: August 13, 2008, 11:38:56 AM »

yeah but Web was saying McCain or Hillary would be better...NOT!

I think he was making the point that we know them and Obama is a megalomaniac coming out of nowhere and people worship him whereas they're critical of the others. They're all bad but I'm just saying...
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« Reply #1354 on: August 13, 2008, 11:54:17 AM »

Bush rebuking Russia? Putin must be splitting his sides
Moscow has to take some of the blame. But it is the west's policy of liberal interventionism that has fuelled war in Georgia

    * Simon Jenkins
    * The Guardian,
    * Wednesday August 13 2008

One thing is for sure. This week's operation in Georgia has displayed the failure of the west's policy of belligerence towards Vladimir Putin's Russia. The policy was meant to weaken Russia, and has strengthened it. The policy was meant to humiliate Russia with Nato encirclement, and has merely fed its neo-imperialism. The policy was meant to show that Russia "understands only firmness" and instead has shown the west as a bunch of tough-talking windbags.

Georgia, a supposed western ally and applicant to Nato, has been treated by Russia to a brutal lesson in power politics. The west has lost all leverage and can do nothing. Seldom was a policy so crashingly stupid.

Putin would die laughing if he read this week's American newspapers. The president, George Bush, declared the Russian invasion of Georgia "disproportionate and unacceptable". This is taken as a put-down to the vice-president, Dick Cheney, who declared the invasion "will not go unanswered", apparently something quite different. Bush says that great powers should not go about "toppling governments in the 21st century", as if he had never done such a thing. Cheney says that the invasion has "damaged Russia's standing in the world", as if Cheney gave a damn. The lobby for sanctions against Russia is reduced to threatening to boycott the winter Olympics. Big deal.

Every student of the Caucasus has known since the fall of the Soviet empire that this part of the world was an explosion waiting to happen. The crisscrossing fault lines of ethnicity, religion and nationalism, fuelled by gas and oil, would not long survive the removal of the Red Army and communist discipline. There were too many old scores to settle, too much territory in dispute and too much wealth at stake - rivalries brilliantly portrayed in Kurban Said's classic novel of Edwardian Azerbaijan, Ali & Nino.

In every crisis the west craves goodies and baddies. The media finds it impossible to report a modern conflict without taking sides. In Yugoslavia, where a similar clash of separatist minorities occurred in the 1990s, coverage was so biased that Kosovo is still "plucky little" and the Serbs can still do no right.

In South Ossetia both sides appear to have committed appalling atrocities, and can thus generate a sense of outrage in front of whatever camera is pointed at them. Georgia's government claimed the right to assert military control over its two dissident provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, even if they were openly in league with Russia. Equally, Russia felt justified in stopping the consequent evictions and killings of its nationals in these provinces, in which it had a humanitarian locus as "peacekeeper".

The difficulty is that entitlement and good sense are rarely in accord. Georgia may have been entitled to act, but was clearly unwise to do so. Russia may have been entitled to aid its people against an oppressor, but that is different from unleashing its notoriously inept and ruthless army, let alone bombing Georgia's capital and demanding a change in its government.

What is clear is that the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, is a poor advertisement for a Harvard education. He thought he could reoccupy South Ossetia and call Russia's bluff while Putin was away at the Olympics. He found it was not bluff. Putin was waiting for just such an invitation to humiliate a man he loathes, and to deter any other Russian border state from applying to join Nato, an organisation Russia had itself sought to join until it was rudely rebuffed.

Saakashvili thought he could call on the support of his neoconservative allies in Washington. Tbilisi is one of the few world cities in which Bush's picture is a pin-up and where an avenue is named after him. It turned out that such "support" was mere words. America is otherwise engaged in wars that bear a marked resemblance to those waged by Putin. It defended the Kurdish enclaves against Saddam Hussein. It sought regime change in Serbia and Afghanistan. As Putin's troops in South Ossetia were staging a passable imitation of the US 101st Airborne entering Iraq, Bush was studiously watching beach volleyball in Beijing.

The truth is that the world has no conceptual framework for adjudicating, let alone resolving, these timeless border conflicts. Where poverty is rife, it takes only a clan war and a ready supply of guns for hostilities to break out. The only question is how to stop them escalating.

Once such conflicts could be quarantined by the United Nations' requirement to respect national sovereignty. That has been shot to pieces by the liberal interventionism of George Bush and Tony Blair. The result has reinvigorated separatist movements across the world. Small-statism is not an evil in itself: witness its quadrennial festival at the Olympics. But the process of achieving it is usually bitter and bloody.

The west's eagerness to intervene in favour of partition, manifest in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Sudan, is more than meddling. It encouraged every oppressed people and province on earth to be "the mouse that roared", to think it could ensnare a great power in its cause.

The parallels are glaring. If we backed Kosovo against the Serbs, why not back South Ossetia against the Georgians? But if we backed the Kurds against the Iraqis, why not the Georgians against Russia? Indeed, had Nato admitted Georgia to full membership, there is no knowing what Caucasian horror might have ensued from the resulting treaty obligation. Decisions which in Washington and London may seem casual gestures of ideological solidarity can mean peace and war on the ground.

I retain an archaic belief that the old UN principle of non-interference, coupled with a realpolitik acceptance of "great power" spheres of influence, is still a roughly stable basis for international relations. It may on occasions be qualified by soft-power diplomacy and humanitarian relief. It may demand an abstinence from kneejerk gestures in favour of leaving things to sort themselves out (as in Zimbabwe). But liberal interventionism, especially when it leads to military and economic aggression, means one costly adventure after another - and usually failure.

The west has done everything to isolate Putin, as he rides the tiger of Russian emergence from everlasting dictatorship. This has encouraged him to care not a fig for world opinion. Equally the west has encouraged Saakashvili to taunt Putin beyond endurance. The policy has led to war. If ever there were a place just to leave alone, it is surely the Caucasus.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/13/russia.georgia
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« Reply #1355 on: August 13, 2008, 12:22:06 PM »

Russians VDV take POTI SEA PORT . Coming confrontation with USA ?

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« Reply #1356 on: August 13, 2008, 12:25:48 PM »

Russia is not messing around.
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« Reply #1357 on: August 13, 2008, 12:33:53 PM »

Воздушно-десантные войска ---VDV

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« Reply #1358 on: August 13, 2008, 12:37:04 PM »

This will only strengthen ZBig's hand.  Undecided
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Bush outlines humanitarian, diplomatic intervention in Georgia
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WASHINGTON, Aug. 13, 2008 – The U.S. military will head humanitarian relief operations in Georgia, President Bush said today. A C-17 aircraft already has been deployed to deliver the first round of supplies.

"And in the days ahead, we will use U.S. aircraft as well as naval forces to deliver humanitarian and medical supplies," Bush added during a White House news conference today following meetings with his national security team.

Bush called on Russia to honor its commitment to allow all forms of humanitarian assistance to enter and to ensure that all lines of communication and transport -- seaports, airports, roads and airspace -- remain open for the delivery of assistance and for civilian transit.

Meanwhile, the president is dispatching Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to France, where she is slated to meet with France's President Nicholas Sarkozy, who, as current president of the European Union, is leading negotiations to broker a peace agreement.

Bush reiterated the United States' support of the democratically elected government of Georgia, saying the U.S. insists that "the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia be respected."

Bush expressed concerns that Russia is continuing attacks on Georgia despite a ceasefire pledge by Moscow. During today's briefing, he laid out U.S. plans for humanitarian and diplomatic intervention in the former Soviet republic.

Reports detailing ongoing Russian aggression in Georgia contradict Russia's claim that it has ceased military operations there, Bush said at the White House.

"Russia has also stated that it has halted military operations and agreed to a provisional cease-fire," Bush said. "Unfortunately, we're receiving reports of Russian actions that are inconsistent with these statements.

"We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia, and we expect all Russian forces who have entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country," he added.

According to reports, Bush said, Russian units have taken up positions on the east side of the city of Gori, which allows them to block the east-west highway, divide the country and threaten the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.

Information further indicates that Russian forces have entered and taken positions in the port city of Poti, that armored vehicles are blocking access to the port, and that Russia is destroying Georgian vessels.

"We're concerned about reports that Georgian citizens of all ethnic origins are not being protected," Bush said. "All forces, including Russian forces, have an obligation to protect innocent civilians from attack."

Echoing his previous remarks, Bush said Russia's actions have damaged the country's standing with the U.S., Europe and other nations, and raise serious questions about its intentions in Georgia and the region. He added that the U.S. and the world expect Russia to honor their commitment to refrain from deposing Georgia's democratic government.

"To begin to repair the damage to its relations with the United States, Europe and other nations, and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must keep its word and act to end this crisis," he said today.

Now in the sixth day of conflict, fighting that began last week in the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia broadened to include Russian attacks on Abkhazia, another heavily separatist region, among other parts of the country.
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