PrisonPlanet Forum
May 22, 2013, 09:56:52 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
   Home   Help Login Register  
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Ukraine bank runs leave citizens unable to withdraw cash ; Civil Unrest  (Read 3328 times)
Revolt426
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6,190



« on: March 02, 2009, 04:31:53 PM »

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67fba682-075a-11de-9294-000077b07658.html

Ukraine risks unrest as ills worsen

By Stefan Wagstyl and Roman Olearchyk

Published: March 2 2009 19:16 | Last updated: March 2 2009 19:16

Olexander Pavlenko, a young computer programmer, is one of tens of thousands of Ukrainians who cannot get their money out of the bank.

He stood in line in Kiev at Nadra Bank and Ukrprombank, two big troubled banks, planning to withdraw more than $10,000 (€7,950, £7,125). But like many others, he was told the cash was not available.

“I stood in line a couple times with other bank clients who were protesting, crying and screaming. But the bank told me: ‘Sorry, we simply don’t have the money now and can’t help you.’”

With about nine banks now under the central bank’s special control, Ukrainians are increasingly worried.

Even those with their money in apparently solid banks, including those controlled by west European banking groups, are concerned because the central bank has banned the early redemption of term deposits, the most popular form of saving in Ukraine.

Altogether, hryvnia bank deposits have dropped 20 per cent since September and those in foreign currency 10 per cent.



“This is very serious,” said Olexander Suhonyako, president of the Association of Ukrainian Banks.

The growing discontent among bank clients is matched by other signs of public anger at the impact of the global crisis – and at the seeming inability of the country’s divided leaders to respond effectively.

Recent weeks have seen protests by truck drivers complaining about taxes and the dramatic decline of the hryvnia, which has complicated the repayment of foreign currency vehicle


Meanwhile, the owners of street kiosks in Kiev successfully demonstrated against the city’s plans to take over their stalls.

But with demonstrations drawing only up to 5,000 people, the authorities are confident there is no serious threat to stability.

They say Ukraine is remarkably calm given the country’s economic problems. Gross domestic product growth is forecast to contract 5-10 per cent in 2009, while unemployment is rising and non-payment of wages is becoming more common.

But with political leaders focused on the forthcoming presidential elections due before the end of the year, some observers fear that the protests will become bigger.

Oleksiy Haran, a political science professor at Kiev’s Mohyla University, says:

“If [the economic situation] worsens, if more banks run into trouble, and if more layoffs pile up, then I would expect large crowds to materialise. This will be dangerous for a country that is struggling already to deal with the economic crisis.”

There seems to be no end to the disputes between Viktor Yushchenko, president, and Yulia Tymoshenko, his prime minister.

Much now depends on the implementation of the $16.5bn package assembled by the International Monetary Fund, including money for bank refinancing. After disbursing $4.5bn last autumn, the IMF suspended further loans after a policy disagreement with Kiev.

But Mr Yushchenko and Ms Tymoshenko pledged at the weekend to co-operate with each other and the IMF on implementing reforms.

Meanwhile, the IMF agreed to relax its desired deficit target from less than 1 per cent of GDP to about 3 per cent, in the light of the deepening recession.

Co-operating with the IMF will allow Ukraine not only to secure loans but also support from other international institutions including the World Bank and multinational banks, which have pledged to back their local subsidiaries.

On Monday, Austria’s Raiffeisen International promised to support Aval, its Ukrainian affiliate.

Hryhoriy Nemyria, deputy prime minister, insists Ukraine “is not a basket case”. Ceyla Pazabasioglu, the IMF’s Ukraine mission chief, agrees, saying the country’s difficulties are not “insurmountable”.

But investors are not so sure. Ukraine’s credit default swap rate – a risk measure – stands at around 3,700, compared with about 1,000 for Latvia and 560 for Hungary, two other east European states on IMF support.

Every week seems to bring a new crisis – the next could come this weekend, when Kiev is due to pay a $400m bill to Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly
Logged

"Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate … It will purge the rottenness out of the system..." - Andrew Mellon, Secretary of Treasury, 1929.
VALiberaltarian
Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 304


« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM »

As a no longer young American computer programmer I'm glad to hear that my Ukrainian colleagues at least in theory have $10,000 in their accounts! I haven't had that much dosh since I lost my US IT bank job to outsourcing in 2004.
Logged
Dig
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 63,103



WWW
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 05:11:09 PM »

This is major news.

Ukraine is one of the key US "empire" states (like Georgia and Bosnia) within the former Soviet Union borders.  Georgia has been exposed as a US puppet outpost and so has Bosnia recently.  Now if the Ukraine also gets exposed (btw, look at the past and current presidents to see beauty and the beast), then all of the US outposts in that territory will be rendered impotent. 

Bottom line, we need to end our empire and let people create their own systems of government.  We can no longer afford it and it always causes greater harm to the people in the territories and us.
Logged

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
David Rothscum
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,683


« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 05:16:59 PM »

And so it has begun.
Logged
rick reuben
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 504


« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 05:23:25 PM »

Quote from: bloomberg news 3-2-09
“Within the next six months, there’s no way these eastern European countries -- Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, even Greece -- will be able to avoid defaulting,” said Alan Kabbani, a senior currency trader at Wachovia Corp. in Charlotte, North Carolina. “It’s going to be impossible to pay off the loans. Where is the money going to come from? The loans are in foreign currencies. They are having their own currencies collapse, and on top of that their economies almost don’t exist anymore. It’s incredible to expect them to pay off the loans.”
Hilarious.

"With the help of Soros, Brzezinski, the CFR, the Endowment for Democracy,and the IMF, you too can have a national economy that almost doesn't exist anymore!"
Logged
DCUBED
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,882


Sieg Heil!


« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 05:25:19 PM »

Looks like Ukraine will go the way of Iceland soon.  And don't expect the IMF to smooth things over.  The media says that the citizens are calm now, but wait until the "IMF riots" start taking place.  With over 45 million people, it won't take long for things to get out of hand.
Logged

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”  - Arthur Conan Doyle

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover
David Rothscum
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,683


« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 05:27:31 PM »

Looks like Ukraine will go the way of Iceland soon.  And don't expect the IMF to smooth things over.  The media says that the citizens are calm now, but wait until the "IMF riots" start taking place.  With over 45 million people, it won't take long for things to get out of hand.

Yup. Seems like we'll see the same thing we saw in Iceland. The difference being these are 45 million people versus the 300.000 in Iceland. Iceland was the test case I guess.
Logged
DCUBED
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,882


Sieg Heil!


« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 05:36:16 PM »

I wonder what this will do to the Russian/Ukraine gas deal.  If Ukraine goes bankrupt, Russia most likely will stop supplying Ukraine with natural gas.  Ukraine got hit hard financially when they didn't get gas for a couple weeks.  If they get shut off permanently by Russia the country will implode in a matter of days. 
Logged

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”  - Arthur Conan Doyle

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover
Femacamper
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9,959


LIVE FREE OR DIE!


WWW
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 07:06:08 PM »

I'm afraid Ukraine will go the way of Zimbabwe soon, not Iceland.

I wonder when America will follow suit.
Logged

Zed
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 896



« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 07:18:17 PM »

I wonder when America will follow suit.

probably long before I have the finances available to get prepared.... Embarrassed
Logged

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.17 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!