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they only "attacked" luke and wearechange because they get hostile and started calling them co intel pro, they still to this day struggle with all their might against the no plane theory. now this i struggle to understand. i would not be surprised if you are a member of wearechange uk. you guys think you are the final voice in the 911 truth movement, like if you don't agree then it is co intel pro. well i have news for you, there are 10000s of people that investigated the events on that day and they are not members of your little gang.
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« Reply #321 on: June 27, 2009, 01:02:20 PM » |
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your perception is kinder garden logic.
the movement has continued to grow regardless of the no planers. don't blame them for some sort of split that you have created in your mind.
no planers do not insult the first responders, the fact that transcripts are not proof does not insult the first responders it merely asks why hasn't the original audio of the interviews been released, hell it took years before they released any of the audio from the day, fire fighter audio, norad tapes, 911 calls tapes etc. you try and get footage from the day from any radio station in new york, you will find the same difficulty you will find trying to locate any more msm footage.
they only "attacked" luke and wearechange because they get hostile and started calling them co intel pro, they still to this day struggle with all their might against the no plane theory. now this i struggle to understand. i would not be surprised if you are a member of wearechange uk. you guys think you are the final voice in the 911 truth movement, like if you don't agree then it is co intel pro. well i have news for you, there are 10000s of people that investigated the events on that day and they are not members of your little gang.
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« Reply #322 on: June 27, 2009, 01:07:09 PM » |
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« Reply #323 on: June 27, 2009, 01:12:28 PM » |
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sekcular you've come here specifically to push the no plane garbage. You've only posted in the 911 threads since you arrived. Why don't you post in all the other threads on all the other subjects? They don't interest you huh?
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« Reply #324 on: June 27, 2009, 01:16:30 PM » |
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just face is bitches, no plane theory if true is about as far as you can get from co intel pro.
now lets remember what co intel pro is.
corporate intelligence professional.
i seriously doubt that any corporation would finance the application for a bunch of individuals to spout a theory that would divide the 911 truth movement, especially when the theory holds so much weight.
now i agree that it is possible and i would not rule it out and i myself have been plagued with this idea for many years now. it has at times caused me to question the theory to the point to which you could not have reached yet as you have not given it the time of day.
as long as you can accept that i am sincere in my research and that i am not out to malicious harm the 911 truth movement then i can rest at that you are just not convinced by the available points/evidences.
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« Reply #325 on: June 27, 2009, 01:22:10 PM » |
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I was going to ask you to choose but instead I have a better question. Why is it that you seem to adhere to the ideas put forth by those of questionable repute (Nico, killtown probably Fetzer et al) yet seem to disregard those that have solid credibility. What I would also like addressed is your sheer lack of any expert corroboration despite your numerous rhetorical arguments? Oh I would hope that your response would hold some water and integrity although I do expect something like "credibility is in the eye of the beholder" or "you dont have the imagination to consider outside the box" or "we are all experts" Okay SEKULAR give it a shot. sekcular you've come here specifically to push the no plane garbage. You've only posted in the 911 threads since you arrived. Why don't you post in all the other threads on all the other subjects? They don't interest you huh?
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« Reply #326 on: June 27, 2009, 01:23:49 PM » |
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now lets remember what co intel pro is.
corporate intelligence professional.
i seriously doubt that any corporation would finance the application for a bunch of individuals to spout a theory that would divide the 911 truth movement, especially when the theory holds so much weight.
now i agree that it is possible and i would not rule it out and i myself have been plagued with this idea for many years now. it has at times caused me to question the theory to the point to which you could not have reached yet as you have not given it the time of day.
as long as you can accept that i am sincere in my research and that i am not out to malicious harm the 911 truth movement then i can rest at that you are just not convinced by the available points/evidences.
but please atleast grant the individuals that believe in this aspect some respect.
thank you.
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« Reply #327 on: June 27, 2009, 01:24:57 PM » |
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as long as you can accept that i am sincere in my research and that i am not out to malicious harm the 911 truth movement then i can rest at that you are just not convinced by the available points/evidences.
Oh one more question -- what research? I heard somebody say that September Clues was their main source of research (was that you). Hahahaha watching a movie is considered research these days. |
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« Reply #328 on: June 27, 2009, 01:29:22 PM » |
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now lets remember what co intel pro is.
corporate intelligence professional. Nope, it's Counter Intelligence Program. Let's remember THAT.. |
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« Reply #329 on: June 27, 2009, 01:31:33 PM » |
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so you guys think you have it... your attitude is that of someone who thinks they have ridiculed the theory enough that you no longer need to entertain the idea, give it a chance. well i could show you more points but i think without going into the research with an open mind on the theory being a possibility you will not see the all the points match up.
take the official investigation, they did not consider controlled demo, if they had just considered it. they would have seen all the points fall into place. if you even consider no planes, you will see all the points that fall into place.
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« Reply #330 on: June 27, 2009, 01:34:56 PM » |
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so you guys think you have it... your attitude is that of someone who thinks they have ridiculed the theory enough that you no longer need to entertain the idea, give it a chance. well i could show you more points but i think without going into the research with an open mind on the theory being a possibility you will not see the all the points match up.
take the official investigation, they did not consider controlled demo, if they had just considered it. they would have seen all the points fall into place. if you even consider no planes, you will see all the points that fall into place.
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« Reply #331 on: June 27, 2009, 01:37:52 PM » |
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what question, now you offer quite a low blow and insult my integrity. what do you want to know, who i am?
i mean i live in the uk, london, i am 25, i work in IT. i am just someone who has spent time on 911.
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« Reply #332 on: June 27, 2009, 01:45:34 PM » |
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« Reply #333 on: June 27, 2009, 01:49:03 PM » |
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what question, now you offer quite a low blow and insult my integrity. what do you want to know, who i am?
i mean i live in the uk, london, i am 25, i work in IT. i am just someone who has spent time on 911.
co intel pro, that was my mistake, i always thought it meant corporate intelligence professional.
I dont care who you are. If you are in fact genuine you should not only be feeling an attack on you integrity but your intelligence more importantly. Maybe your memory is also faulty but here is a lineup of a few posts all made within the last hour -- ring a bell? You usually disappear for longer than that after being posed questions by myself. SEKULAR why do you weasel away from all my questions?
i know i have accused someone from your side of disregarding my posts and ignoring my questions.
but i am not aware of any questions that i have disregarded from yourself, please repeat the question and i will attempt to answer it .
I was going to ask you to choose but instead I have a better question.
Why is it that you seem to adhere to the ideas put forth by those of questionable repute (Nico, killtown probably Fetzer et al) yet seem to disregard those that have solid credibility. What I would also like addressed is your sheer lack of any expert corroboration despite your numerous rhetorical arguments?
Oh I would hope that your response would hold some water and integrity although I do expect something like "credibility is in the eye of the beholder" or "you dont have the imagination to consider outside the box" or "we are all experts"
Okay SEKULAR give it a shot.
and now this again for fun -- hahaha what question, now you offer quite a low blow and insult my integrity. what do you want to know, who i am?
i mean i live in the uk, london, i am 25, i work in IT. i am just someone who has spent time on 911.
co intel pro, that was my mistake, i always thought it meant corporate intelligence professional.
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« Reply #334 on: June 27, 2009, 01:50:31 PM » |
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« Reply #335 on: June 27, 2009, 01:54:19 PM » |
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Okay I have decided not to be mean anymore. You say you have done a lot of 911 research? what?
Why is it that you seem to adhere to the ideas put forth by those of questionable repute (Nico, killtown probably Fetzer et al) yet seem to disregard those that have solid credibility. What I would also like addressed is your sheer lack of any expert corroboration despite your numerous rhetorical arguments?
Oh I would hope that your response would hold some water and integrity although I do expect something like "credibility is in the eye of the beholder" or "you dont have the imagination to consider outside the box" or "we are all experts"
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« Reply #336 on: June 27, 2009, 02:01:57 PM » |
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kevin ryan on 911 experts... http://udn1.com/no experts.avii have considered every expert every eye witness and every video i have come across. if you have new footage please let me know i am more than willing to be convinced that no plane theory is a massive preemptive counter intelligence program. |
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« Reply #337 on: June 27, 2009, 03:49:23 PM » |
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No one knows why the govt. did 9/11, tons of things don't make sense about that day. We'll prolly never know "why" the NWO agents and provocateurs did what they did. 9 to 11 - you skip 10. Someone once said that God was 10....skipping God? |
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« Reply #338 on: June 27, 2009, 04:19:08 PM » |
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« Reply #340 on: June 28, 2009, 11:44:43 AM » |
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Is the possibility of TV fakery (NOT "no-planes") also a Counter Intelligence Program?
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« Reply #341 on: June 28, 2009, 02:16:39 PM » |
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« Reply #342 on: June 28, 2009, 03:01:39 PM » |
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« Reply #343 on: June 28, 2009, 04:16:40 PM » |
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I don't think the no plane theories are plausible, not at all.
I'm willing to listen though. And I don't think you should be attacked for your views in the way it's happening here (on a personal level, calling you something less than human, etc.)
TV fakery - yes! No planes on 9/11? INSANE
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« Reply #344 on: June 28, 2009, 04:24:27 PM » |
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About the supposed reporter who was at some airport not seeing family members of victims (from September Clues 2008): Who is this man?
At which airport is he standing?
When is the man standing there?
Where did you see it?
Who produced the footage? For starters, if there is a decent no-plane researcher willing to answer these questions with WORDS, not by sending me a link to some film, I would be grateful. Until then I'll not even take you seriously. |
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« Reply #345 on: June 28, 2009, 10:29:18 PM » |
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TV fakery - yes! No planes on 9/11? INSANE Operation Northwoods suggested bringing down a plane or supposed plane with a fake passenger manifest and blaming it on Cuba to gain public support for an invasion. It suggested that a real plane or passengers wasn't even necessary so long as the media reported it as real and the public believed it. This was originally conceived in 1958 and brought before Kennedy as an option in 1961. Kennedy refused to even consider such an option and subsequently delivered the famous "secret society" speech. You can't say that it isn't possible. It is entirely possible and planned for over 40 years before the deed was done. Watch the videos, no one reacts until the explosion in the audio. Watch the NBC footage where the guy say "No! No plane...Bomb!" and the guy who said "I didn't see a plane..Just an explosion." The reporter cuts him off saying "Well there was another plane. We just seen it on TV." George Bush said he saw the first plane hit on TV before going into the Florida classroom and initially thought it was an accident when there was no footage ever produced of the first impact. So...Say it is insane all you would like....That still doesn't make it impossible! |
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« Reply #346 on: June 29, 2009, 12:22:37 AM » |
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TV fakery - yes! No planes on 9/11? INSANE
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How many members of the public have come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture"?
I don't know how people can believe that there were no planes on 9/11 when so many people in New York saw and heard them. What a waste of time this thread becomes when people defend the crackpot notion. sekular has been banned for being abusive and writing unsubstantiated 'no planer' cointel pro twaddle.
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« Reply #348 on: June 29, 2009, 01:40:00 AM » |
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Say it is insane all you would like....That still doesn't make it impossible! Look, EVERYTHING is possible. We are talking about what is PLAUSIBLE here. Big difference. |
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« Reply #349 on: June 29, 2009, 02:10:33 AM » |
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Look, EVERYTHING is possible. We are talking about what is PLAUSIBLE here. Big difference.
I assume you are referring to planet earth when you made the statement that "EVERYTHING is possible"? Laws have been established by numerous scientists to show that matter/life/energy abide by rules, so perhaps they would probably disagree with you that everything is possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science |
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« Reply #350 on: June 29, 2009, 02:18:27 PM » |
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Science is nothing than a long list of corrected mistakes. That's why everything is possible (except maybe semantics, where something is X and not X at the same time... well in the realm of quantum physics maybe...)
But, as I said, we are talking about what is plausible, not what is possible.
Of course it's possible to control thousands of witnesses. It's just not very plausible.
The notion of TV fakery, OTOH, is entirely plausible. Just look at the fake Bin Laden tapes. Look at BBC and CNN reporting the collapse of building 7 before it happened.
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There are these thingies they call "planes". You know, as in "planes hit the towers".
Read any of my posts in this threat. I made that abundandly clear. I believe planes hit the towers.
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There are these thingies they call "planes". You know, as in "planes hit the towers".
Read any of my posts in this threat. I made that abundandly clear. I believe planes hit the towers.
Anyone NOT on fluoride here?
So what do you mean when you say ''tv fakery - yes''? I don't think the no plane theories are plausible, not at all.
I'm willing to listen though. And I don't think you should be attacked for your views in the way it's happening here (on a personal level, calling you something less than human, etc.)
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« Reply #357 on: June 29, 2009, 04:02:33 PM » |
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Have you ever studied basic logic?
Yes and I am an adherent.
The notion of TV fakery, OTOH, is entirely plausible. Just look at the fake Bin Laden tapes. Look at BBC and CNN reporting the collapse of building 7 before it happened.
How you have used these examples as evidence of fakery on 911 is fantastic. Those Bin Laden tapes are pure 100% fabrication bottom-line.(SO?) Yeah the BBC reported the collapse of wtc 7 early but where is the fakery? Did they show us wtc7 collapsing before it did with a plane flying into it(because that would be the TV fakery definition I think of) NO? what are you getting at in regards to TV fakery? Your logic is not only flawed it is patently false which I hope is deliberate for your sake. I could continue shredding your ridiculous assertions but that is enough. Still laughing how you invoke the idea of logic to support your points. Hahaha |
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Who is this man?
At which airport is he standing?
When is the man standing there?
Where did you see it?
Who produced the footage? the clip i was refering to is at the very end of the september clues 2008, now i didn't know it was in september clues as i had not seen this new version until yesterday. i had come across it in the footage itself while investigating the audio. the man is a reporter for cnn, the footage was shown at around 12:30pm. three of the apparent planes were heading for lax. he is standing at lax. the footage was produced by cnn, it is apparently live at the time. voshkod3 why are you insistent on repeating questions that have already been answered? How many members of the public have come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture"? like i said earlier in this thread regarding the collection of video tapes, what they would do with the video cameras afterwards is the least of the worries the person will have if they might have a video worth confiscating. there has been some phones calls to the audio/video professionals that produced amateur footage on the day, some of them would not even answer basic questions and would hang up. scared for their lives perhaps ? |
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