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[grapecrusher1]

I love how people use unknown technologies to buttress already floundering argument.

"I think you dont know what they got to make the stuff that you never seen, Dude."
haha

[Berminator]

I love how people use unknown technologies to buttress already floundering argument.

"I think you dont know what they got to make the stuff that you never seen, Dude."
haha

Are you 100% sure it was real planes?
I'm not 100% sure about anything.

[grapecrusher1]

Yes I think they were real planes. I hear you with the "not sure 100% about anything" but I dont see any substance behind this notion of no planes at the WTC.   

[Berminator]

Yes I think they were real planes. I hear you with the "not sure 100% about anything" but I dont see any substance behind this notion of no planes at the WTC.   

Me neither friend.

[kushfiend]

Yes I think they were real planes. I hear you with the "not sure 100% about anything" but I dont see any substance behind this notion of no planes at the WTC.   

The substance is that the media used altered footage to dupe this country into 2 foreign wars which in turn was to set up for ww3.

that's the substance.

can you handle it?

[Aden]

can you handle it?

Can you handle this?  September Clues: Debunked
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&ei=b69CSvrwDJyyqQLd85iIBg&q=%22this+is+an+orange%22&hl=en&dur=3

You've been misled, friend. 

[kushfiend]

Can you handle this?  September Clues: Debunked
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&ei=b69CSvrwDJyyqQLd85iIBg&q=%22this+is+an+orange%22&hl=en&dur=3

You've been misled, friend. 

That video proved nothing? It was just sept. clues with an apple and an orange inserted in random parts.

Wow.  Handle that the News lied and lies to you every day.

[Aden]

That video proved nothing? It was just sept. clues with an apple and an orange inserted in random parts.

Wow.  Handle that the News lied and lies to you every day.

Dude, it's over.  The ignorant and ludicrous idea that holograms were used died years ago.  So either you are a misinformation agent, or you are just really dumb.  I'm guessing the former. 

Judging by your response time in your reply to my post, you didn't even see the 30 minute film.  So if you are just dumb, and not a mis-info agent, why are you so afraid to watch?  Are you that attached to your delusion?

Maybe a mod needs to look at this guys account a little more closely.

[kushfiend]

Dude, it's over.  The ignorant and ludicrous idea that holograms were used died years ago.  So either you are a misinformation agent, or you are just really dumb.  I'm guessing the former. 

Judging by your response time in your reply to my post, you didn't even see the 30 minute film.  So if you are just dumb, and not a mis-info agent, why are you so afraid to watch?  Are you that attached to your delusion?

Maybe a mod needs to look at this guys account a little more closely.

wow i'm so f**king tired of being accused of being a disinfo agent by you and your butt buddy vok.  Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they work for the govt.

You're a human and you can be wrong.  You haven't disproved anything with your video so keep moving along and believing what the Main Stream Media tells you.  Enjoy your fluoridated water sucker.

[Voskhod3]

That video proved nothing? It was just sept. clues with an apple and an orange inserted in random parts.

You're busted.

September Clues is busted.

If you can't be bothered to watch the whole video then just watch the shorter "nose out" debunking, just so you can see what a deceptive piece of sh*t September Clues is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNomV_8034&feature=PlayList&p=52F1CA8C3E1493A6&index=2

Now watch that.. it won't take long... and come back and tell us you honestly stand by the "nose out" nonsense.

[Voskhod3]

Dude, you don't know sh*t.  You've made that painfully obvious by insinuating that the past of least resistance for a solid object is through interlocking steel girders, rather than deflecting off.

You're either stupid or bad... I'm thinking bad.

43% of nothing.

Where is the path of least resistance?

You've seen video evidence of a building repairing itself after "a plane" hits it.

Do you understand video compression?
Do you know what a video compression alogrhythm is?

Serious questions, you can answer yes or no.

Your arguments are to -repeat something about witnesses over and over and over and over and over, literally prolly around 50+ times.  Wow.

My methods work - you will be debunking your own posts very soon - check out the moon hoax thread. I don't let people off the hook.

A lot of people saw a lot of different things that day.

I'm still hoping we can examine the statements of people who saw missles like you said. Have you got them?

also, you like to name call, you've called me out for being a disinfo co-intel agent many times.

That's because you act like one. Nobody could be this perverse and this stupid otherwise.

Anyway.. I've asked you some questions... I await your response.

[Voskhod3]

The ignorant and ludicrous idea that holograms were used died years ago. 

I too was amazed to see the word hologram used.. that was busted a long time ago.

People think holograms are like in Star Trek.

They are not.

Holograms cannot break the laws of physics (Jim).

Holograms require a medium (usually a panel/screen or I've even seen smoke used) to REFLECT the light from the projector to the eye of the person seeing the hologram.

The idea of a 200 foot long reflecting medium flying through the skies of NYC at 500 mph returning a 3D image of a plane is simply ludicrous.

But hey.. it's not like that on Star Trek.

[iks83]

About the video of the plane hitting the building earlier.... you dont really see the impact because the plane enters the shadow of the building making it look like its clipped off before touching the building. But no thats a too reasonable and realistic explanation... it must therefore be video fakery.

[Voskhod3]

About the video of the plane hitting the building earlier.... you dont really see the impact because the plane enters the shadow of the building making it look like its clipped off before touching the building. But no thats a too reasonable and realistic explanation... it must therefore be video fakery.

I'm waiting for Kushfiend to tell us what he knows about video compression.

For instance..
What decisions does a computer make when saving an image based on a compression ratio.
And then when faced with the task of magnifying an image, how does the computer decide what to put onto the empty pixels?

It will be interesting.

[Infokrieger]

Motion compensation and low resolution explains most of the anomalies seen on impact. It does NOT explain the nose-out however.

Are you saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with the videos we have seen on TV? The different coloring, the cut off backgrounds, the black screens, the time delay? Then you're blind on one eye, too.

There's ignorance on both sides of the debate IMHO.

[Voskhod3]

Motion compensation and low resolution explains most of the anomalies seen on impact.

It explains all "anomalies".

It does NOT explain the nose-out however.

"nose out" is a lie fostered in the September Clues vidoe and busted here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNomV_8034&feature=PlayList&p=52F1CA8C3E1493A6&index=2

Are you saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with the videos we have seen on TV?

Yes.

The different coloring,

More September Clues disinfo.

Go and get your digital and change the colur settings and then ask yourself what exactly do computer chips inside cameras do? Different manufacturers favor diffent settings.

There's ignorance on both sides of the debate IMHO.

Nope.. just on the side of people who watch Spetember Clues and know nothing about videos or photography.

So.. come back to me when you watched the youtube video and we'll have a chat.

[Infokrieger]

"nose out" is a lie fostered in the September Clues vidoe and busted here:

Wrong, you can see the effect on the original videos, too. Go to archive.org and check it out for yourself. Nose-out is not "a lie". Be precise, what exactly is a lie, and how?

Go and get your digital and change the colur settings and then ask yourself what exactly do computer chips inside cameras do? Different manufacturers favor diffent settings.

You are missing the point completely. It's the same camera. It's the same pictures from the same angles. The pictures were not recorded 'through a TV' set. That's not how it works. Why does it have different colors on different TV channels? Why does the background disappear?
 

So.. come back to me when you watched the youtube video and we'll have a chat.

Can't you make your point for yourself? I hate it when people point you to some kind of dubious video instead of addressing the issue. Also, I hate it when people tell me what to do. Use words and I'll promise I'll read them.

How do you explain the black screen right after impact? Coincidence? Of course.

[Voskhod3]

Wrong, you can see the effect on the original videos, too. Go to archive.org and check it out for yourself. Nose-out is not "a lie". Be precise, what exactly is a lie, and how?

Did you watch the video on youtube that completely busts the September Clues "nose out"?

Did you really?

September Clues is a lie.

You are missing the point completely. It's the same camera. It's the same pictures from the same angles. The pictures were not recorded 'through a TV' set. That's not how it works. Why does it have different colors on different TV channels? Why does the background disappear?

Go and find out how a modern day camera works.. the chip is making colour balancing descions all the time.
 

Can't you make your point for yourself?

Can't you watch the video.

September Clues.. busted.

Come back when you want to discuss it.

I hate it when people point you to some kind of dubious video

Like September Clues?

Physican heal thyself.

[iks83]

You are missing the point completely. It's the same camera. It's the same pictures from the same angles. The pictures were not recorded 'through a TV' set. That's not how it works. Why does it have different colors on different TV channels? Why does the background disappear?

Yeah right... those who believe September Clues dont even recognize a different camera angle when the other cam is upside down. Also it seems you dont care about the extremely remote possibility that those videos from the same camera on different channels might have been adjusted by the channel people... you know like its done nonstop. Geez its not like they took the camera with the video and plugged it into the satelite dish.

[Infokrieger]

Also it seems you dont care about the extremely remote possibility that those videos from the same camera on different channels might have been adjusted by the channel people... you know like its done nonstop

Huh? That's the whole point, yes, that's what I'm trying to tell you, "those videos from the same camera on different channels might have been adjusted by the channel people"!! That's what the September Clues people are trying to tell you.

[Voskhod3]

Huh? That's the whole point, yes, that's what I'm trying to tell you, "those videos from the same camera on different channels might have been adjusted by the channel people"!! That's what the September Clues people are trying to tell you.

There's a difference between adjusting contrast and colour balance and mapping fake planes into live videos.

Did you look at the "nose out" is busted video yet?

[Infokrieger]

Did you watch the video on youtube that completely busts the September Clues "nose out"? Did you really?

I told you, I'd like to hear your argument, not watch some dubious film.

September Clues is a lie.

It's a film. A film is not "a lie". There can be lies IN a film though. Nose out is an observation. An observation is not "a lie". I apologize if English is not your native language. It's not mine either.

Go and find out how a modern day camera works.. the chip is making colour balancing descions all the time.

You're still missing the point. It's the same picture, off the same camera. I already told you that.

Can't you watch the video.

Can't you argue your point yourself? I guess you can't.

September Clues.. busted. Come back when you want to discuss it.

What do you mean, "come back when you want to discuss it"? Are you saying, unless I watch your stupid film I am not allowed to come back to the board? You have no business telling me when to "come back" or what to do. Who do you think you are?

Btw. you haven't answered my questions, I guess it's because you CAN'T.

- How do you explain that the same picture from the same camera shot from the same angle have different colors on every TV channel that's showing them?

- Why does the background disappear on some versions?

- How do you explain the black screen on ALL channels right after impact? Coincidence?

- How do you explain the "Nose-Out" IN YOUR OWN WORDS?

[Infokrieger]

There's a difference between adjusting contrast and colour balance and mapping fake planes into live videos.

I never said the planes were fake. You must have confused me with someone else. I'm saying, the TV pictures were tampered with, yes.

Did you look at the "nose out" is busted video yet?

Please explain to me in your own words what you think the nose-out is. I'm not going to watch a film recommended to me by people who can't string a coherent sentence together, sorry. Can't you make the argument yourself? Well too bad.

[Voskhod3]

I told you, I'd like to hear your argument, not watch some dubious film.

Watch the film dude.

Why don't you want to discuss this film? Ah.. I think I know why.

It's a film. A film is not "a lie".

The film is a deception.. yes a lie.

There can be lies IN a film though. Nose out is an observation. An observation is not "a lie".

The observation is a lie. "macro precision".
It's a lie.

You're still missing the point. It's the same picture, off the same camera. I already told you that.

It's been through differnt computers and has been adjusted for colour and balance by different news production crews... hell it may even have been transmitted using an analogue signal at some point in the chain - everything is up for grabs with analogue.

Can't you argue your point yourself? I guess you can't.

Just watch the damn video and we'll talk about it.

What do you mean, "come back when you want to discuss it"? Are you saying, unless I watch your stupid film I am not allowed to come back to the board?

No.. watch the video and comeback when you want to discuss it.

Why don't you want to discuss it?

You have no business telling me when to "come back" or what to do. Who do you think you are?

"Come back when you want to discuss it."
Do you often twist words and build strawmen?

Btw. you haven't answered my questions, I guess it's because you CAN'T.

"Fade to black"
a) wasn't a fade to black.
b) was caused by a signal interupt because the tv tower is actually on the WTC.
c) one of the two "fade to blacks" had already cut to another camera a split second before.

Do yourself a favor watch "September Clues - Busted" on Google Video - it lasts 30 minutes - stop wasting everyones times with your disinfo.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&ei=mG1DSrPXJoHt-AaysPj9Bg&q=september+clues+busted

[kushfiend]

Watch the film dude.

Why don't you want to discuss this film? Ah.. I think I know why.
 
The film is a deception.. yes a lie.
The observation is a lie. "macro precision".
It's a lie.
It's been through differnt computers and has been adjusted for colour and balance by different news production crews... hell it may even have been transmitted using an analogue signal at some point in the chain - everything is up for grabs with analogue.
 
Just watch the damn video and we'll talk about it.
No.. watch the video and comeback when you want to discuss it.

Why don't you want to discuss it?
"Come back when you want to discuss it."
Do you often twist words and build strawmen?
"Fade to black"
a) wasn't a fade to black.
b) was caused by a signal interupt because the tv tower is actually on the WTC.
c) one of the two "fade to blacks" had already cut to another camera a split second before.

Do yourself a favor watch "September Clues - Busted" on Google Video - it lasts 30 minutes - stop wasting everyones times with your disinfo.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&ei=mG1DSrPXJoHt-AaysPj9Bg&q=september+clues+busted

Vok, you're busted.  No one agrees with your insane theory...and quite frankly I think you're an idiot to trust the Main Stream Media.  End of story.

[Voskhod3]

Vok, you're busted.  No one agrees with your insane theory...and quite frankly I think you're an idiot to trust the Main Stream Media.  End of story.

You don't want to discuss the film?

You don't want to discuss the busting of "nose out"?

I'm the insane one?

Believing that planes actually crashed into the WTC is insane?

Really?

Come on dude... let's talk "nose out".

[Infokrieger]

Finally someone who wants to discuss "nose out". Thank you.

So, how do you explain it?

I watched the video. I remember watching this a couple of weeks ago.

I agree that the "micro-precision" term is absolute and utter baloney, there is no micro-precision when we talk about pixels that represent areas of 1 foot or more. They have a point there.

But no one here was talking about "micro-precision". The point is not wether "September Clues is a lie". The point (OK, let's say my point) was that the TV pictures have been tampered with, and you guys even agreed to an extend by saying, of course all the pictures have been manipulated by the TV stations.

So what exactly is it you're disagreeing with me (with me, not with some semantics from September Clues)? I don't want to talk about a film debunking another film. I got the pictures from archive.org and a video editor software. My research is as good as yours, and as good as theirs. So, let's discuss the issue at hand, not the film ABOUT the issue.

All I'm saying is, there were planes flying into the WTC, AND the TV images have been tampered with one way or the other. Maybe some of them were completely fabricated, I don't know.

No there is two kinds of people, one of them thinks it follows, that if there were faked TV images, then it must be that there were no planes. Think about it for a minute.

Then there's the other kind of people that know what a logical fallacy is

To me it makes perfect sense to accept both things to occur in the same time: 1. There was TV fakery and 2. There were, in fact, planes. My point is, September Clues is wrong about no-planes, but right about TV fakery.

Remember, if you know someone is always lying to you, you can always know the truth. If someone is lying to you only half of the time, you never know which one is right and wrong.

I think the whole September Clue film may be a PSYOP to discredit TV fakery by mixing it up with "No-Planes".

 

Btw. What you said about the antenna causing the black screen makes sense to me. I hope I've made my point clearer this time.

Edit: I watched the film, now can you explain how the nose-out effect occured in your own words?

[Voskhod3]

Finally someone who wants to discuss "nose out". Thank you.

So, how do you explain it?

I watched the video. I remember watching this a couple of weeks ago.

I agree that the "micro-precision" term is absolute and utter baloney, there is no micro-precision when we talk about pixels that represent areas of 1 foot or more. They have a point there.

How do I explain the "utter baloney"?

I think you already explained it.
 

But no one here was talking about "micro-precision".

Except the people who think September Clues is great... which is you.

The point is not wether "September Clues is a lie".

Yes is is.

The point is exactly "September Clues is a lie".
 

The point (OK, let's say my point) was that the TV pictures have been tampered with, and you guys even agreed to an extend by saying, of course all the pictures have been manipulated by the TV stations.

In what way have they been tampered with?

Color?

So what exactly is it you're disagreeing with me (with me, not with some semantics from September Clues)?

Semantics?

September Clues is a lie.

"utter baloney".

I don't want to talk about a film debunking another film.

Of course you don't.

Especially when it's so easily debunked and is embarressing to talk about.

I got the pictures from archive.org and a video editor software.

"I got software".

Pity you have no idea how it works.

v i d e o   c o p r e s s i o n.

My research is as good as yours,

Nope, yours is nonsense.

and as good as theirs. So, let's discuss the issue at hand, not the film ABOUT the issue.

But the issues are in the "September Clues Debuked" film.

All I'm saying is, there were planes flying into the WTC, AND the TV images have been tampered with one way or the other.

Say what?

Why would they need to tamper with real pictures of planes flying into the WTC?

Maybe some of them were completely fabricated, I don't know.

Now there are no planes again?

Anyway, enough of this baloney.. lets cut to the chase:

Explain just how they controlled the thousands of witnesses and any images they recorded.

[Voskhod3]

Finally someone who wants to discuss "nose out". Thank you.

Oh.. and.. you didn't discuss it in the end.

[Infokrieger]

I'll make my argument again, just for you.

- The planes that crashed into the buildings were real. This is the best explanation for the great number of eye witnesses on ground zero.

- The pictures we saw on TV were manipulated. That's the best explanation for at least some of the anomalies we saw.

You're assuming a contradiction between the two, but there is none.

Why are you so fiercely defending the TV stations, at least we know that these guys have lied to us millions of times in the past, don't we?

You're not working for some kind of media company, are you?

[Infokrieger]

Oh.. and.. you didn't discuss it in the end.

I asked you to explain it in the beginning, but you haven't done it. What caused the nose out, in your own words? You have the floor.

[Voskhod3]

I asked you to explain it in the beginning, but you haven't done it. What caused the nose out, in your own words? You have the floor.

Watch the video and tell me why it's wrong.

Oh.. you already called "nose out" "utter baloney".

Sorry.

[Infokrieger]

No, I am asking you.

[Voskhod3]

No, I am asking you.

What are you asking me? I watched the video and totally agree with it.

What about you?

[iks83]

nose out is a plume of debris shooting out of the tower. why do you think its a nose?

[Voskhod3]

nose out is a plume of debris shooting out of the tower. why do you think its a nose?

Infokrieger confuses me.

First he says the September Clues "nose out" section is "utter baloney" but then still seems to think there was a nose out.

 

[Infokrieger]

Again, you're putting words into my mouth.

I didn't say "Nose out was baloney" I said "micro-precision is baloney".

Your strawman-tactics don't work with me.

Wait a minute, someone finally answered my question! You think the "nose-out" is debris? Alright, thanks for the answer. Maybe you're right. Hard to tell though, is it not? What do you think, Vox, is it debris?

[Infokrieger]

What are you asking me?

I am asking you, how would you explain, in your own words, what it is we are seeing on the 9/11 videos, that is referred to as "nose-out"? Do you understand the question now?

[Voskhod3]

Again, you're putting words into my mouth.

I didn't say "Nose out was baloney" I said "micro-precision is baloney".

So the "nose out" in September Clues is good except for the micro-precision LIE (no other word for it) which you think is "utter baloney"?

What about the anti aliasing in the "nose out" in September Clues... that is equally deceptive? What do you say?

Your strawman-tactics don't work with me.

No strawman from me!

Wait a minute, did you finally answer my question now? I think you did! You think the "nose-out" is debris? Alright, thanks for the answer. Maybe you're right. Hard to tell though, is it not?

It's debris and the engine that landed on Murray Street. Backed up by the fact that an engine landed in Murray Street.

[sekular]

voskhod3 here is your proof, now i would like to hear what you have to say about this...

http://tinyurl.com/ls44lo